HP has become the third premier sponsor of the Linux Vendor Firmware Service (LVFS) and fwupd, joining Dell and Lenovo in contributing $100k+ annually to support firmware updates on Linux.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/HP-Sponsoring-LVFS-Fwupd
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Weydemeyer@lemmy.ml · 96 pts · 102d
FYI HP (and Dell, but not Lenovo) are priority targets on the BDS list. Please do not support them even if they support Linux.
vort3@lemmy.ml · 47 pts · 102d
What's the "BDS" list? Never heard of it.
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 78 pts · 102d
Src: https://bdsmovement.net/Guide-to-BDS-Boycott
LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz · 31 pts · 102d
Sooo, i get it but this still doesn't explain what BDS is. Boycott Dis Shit?
edit- my ADHD ass missed the link.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 102d
.... Why... or how, would McDonald's support Israel and the IDF?
I mean, that seems such an easy target to avoid and just go "I'm staying out of this one" for any company, but McDonald's? That just has to be for the sport
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 27 pts · 102d
they give away free food to the idf.
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 102d
Cruelly ironic, considering the IDF used starvation as a weapon.
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 101d
even more so when you consider that they're using healthier ingredients for the idf instead of the toxic sludge that they serve to americans.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 13 pts · 101d
I read it as "BSD" at first glance and i was like "damn, i didn't knew the Linux communty declared war on BSD" ðŸ˜
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 102d
I hate when I already don't buy from any of these companies, so I can't really join the boycott for this. At least some of them I am boycotting for other reasons, not just because they make a shit product. Intell, for example, I'll buy from AMD every time first.
dubyakay@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 102d
Sadly, AMD is in Israel as well, although to a lesser degree.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 101d
AMD's not just in Israel, Lisa Su has been visiting the white house lately.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 101d
Siemens is on there?
As an electrical engineer, I guess I know which company is NOT selling my circuit breakers now.
Weydemeyer@lemmy.ml · 25 pts · 102d
https://bdsmovement.net/
zbyte64@awful.systems · 2 pts · 101d
Bdsm....
shweddy@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 102d
Boycott divest and sanction israel
phar@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 102d
Damn I just looked that up and WIX is on the list. WTF, WIX? Damnit
Egonallanon@feddit.uk · 14 pts · 102d
They're an Israeli company so they're included by default. I think they just get their own entry as they a decently large organisation.
phar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 102d
Oh wow I did not realize that's where they are from. Really too bad because they make quality filters. That's okay I will buy a different brand regardless
Lrobie@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 101d
I believe it's Wix the website builder, not Wix the filter company.
isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 96d
Lmao they both have a black text logo with a yellow accent.
phar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 101d
Hooray!
pastermil@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 102d
Meh, they're shit anyways.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works · 59 pts · 102d
Still, fuck HP.
quantumvoid0@programming.dev · 45 pts · 102d
ik HP has a Linux laptop and all but this company is definitely the last company I thought would do smt like this
adarza@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 102d
high-usage vendors like hp (and dell, lenovo previously reported on) have to start paying-in to support the operating costs of the service.
they certainly aren't doing it because they want to.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 102d
Think about it. Right now, windows is a fucking hog of an OS. It takes up huge space, gas huge overhead, and needs huge amounts of ram. Ram and storage are expensive as hell right now.
Linux can run well on a laptop on decade old tech (One of my old laptops is literally from 2016 and runs Linux mint butter smooth).
So by promoting Linux, HP can sell a laptop with less ram and less storage, that doesn't run like shit. Saves them loads of money. They may not give a flying fuck about Linux. This still helps their bottom line.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 3 pts · 100d
Windows 11 is the best thing that Microsoft ever did for Linux
quantumvoid0@programming.dev · 2 pts · 102d
hmm true that'd make sense
mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 101d
me too but i don't think its a good idea to to trust their good gesture yet; their product lines are still hella closed and not allow for much customization. even in the rare instances they allow to they impose arbitrary limitation and/or require their software
notaviking@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 102d
Great news for the foundation, still sorry HP but you have burned me regarding your printers
utopiah@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 101d
lol, $100k+... HP revenue in 2024 was $53,559,000k.
Dell same year $88,000,000k and Lenovo $69,000,000k, so ~$50B to $90B
I let you calculate the percentage but... I'd guesstimate it's approximately nothing.
laz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 101d
Revenue is not operational profit
utopiah@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 101d
Right... which... is why I wrote revenue and not operational profit? Was I unclear? What should I have shared instead? Please feel free to clarify directly with whatever you believe would be better and why, we can all learn.
markz@suppo.fi · 2 pts · 101d
I'm guessing operational profit
utopiah@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 101d
Damn, sounds like a wild guess though, how about revenue? /s
laz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 101d
What is this condescending tone, is this what they call redditor energy
utopiah@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 100d
Were you not condescending? Don't you believe you started this?
You could have said :
or basically anything that prompts a discussion by kindly clarifying.
Instead you basically said "Apples are not oranges" and now you are saying replies are toxic.
bleustenns@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 100d
utopiah@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 100d
I'm not sure you're understanding my perspective so I can make it explicit : I took their comment as snarky, not helpful, trying to make their view as objective without helping me and others understanding why their position was better.
placebo@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 100d
utopiah@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 100d
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 101d
Revenue says basically nothing in this kind of context. HP's earnings before taxes was 3 279m so 100k is well nothing.
utopiah@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 101d
Genuinely confused now, are you saying "your nothing" is different from "my nothing"?
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl · 0 pts · 101d
I was really consufed by your chain of comments.
You stated revenue, which doesn’t say anything about profit. Then you argue that that is true and say that is why you posted revenue.
Which is why I posted the profit or HP of 2024
pucker4676@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 100d
I think we can all agree that 100k is a drop in the bucket for HP.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 100d
Yeah it is
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 20 pts · 102d
Whenever HP supports something, I'm left with the thought of 'cui bono' .
9point6@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 102d
They've still got a pretty hefty server division and increasingly not using HP/UX, no?
Self preservation seems like a fairly obvious motivator
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 102d
HP and HPE are separate companies.
9point6@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 102d
Ahh yes of course, I guess I went straight to assuming it was HPE doing the investment
jaypatelani@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 101d
Soon subscription is coming up for fwupd
racoon@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 101d
racoon@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 101d
regedit@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 101d
Dogiedog64@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 100d
They aren't doing this out of Altruism, mind you. They know damn well that the world runs on Linux admins, and they want the ecosystem to survive so they can use it as a customer base later.
br0k3nbyt3@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 100d
And Linux should not survive by altruism, but by actual dependency.
sakphul@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 101d
Let's go! I want more of this! Better hardware/firmware support is always appreciated.
baner@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 101d
Greats news more support for Linux, Two weeks ago I bought a Lenovo IdeaPad 2in1 and while I was on their website checking the warranty, I decided to see if there were BIOS drivers and there were. I tried using fwupd and it didn't find anything and when I searched found that this model does not have Linux support and I couldn't simply use the terminal, it was only possible from Windows, I had to download the .exe and Hiren's to update the firmware.
Folstar@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 101d
Can someone ELI5? Is this extremely token gesture an appreciative nod or strings (visible or not) attached trojan horse?
phx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 100d
Linux desktop marketshare is going up, though it's definitely not huge. Windows 11 is not particularly popular, and very resource-heavy in a time where those same resources are exploding in price. I'd imagine that hardware companies want to hedge their bets a bit and supporting Linux is this manner is pretty safe.
It's worth noting that HP is also one of the bigger hardware vendors and a lot of servers run Linux, so again firmware updates are probably a good thing you support.
tomalley8342@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 100d
HP uses fwupd on some models and 100k is cheaper than hiring a single engineer for in house contributions.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 1 pts · 101d