And what idiot always ties the damn transporter systems to the holodeck systems? Seems like people who believe in tertiary backups would have firewalled every system so when the holodecks go all Moriarty-y you can still beam people out.
One of the earliest commercially successful firewall and network address translation (NAT) products was the PIX (Private Internet eXchange) Firewall, invented in 1994 by Network Translation Inc.
My point was that it’s also like a blanket term for confining some disaster, not just a technical term used to protect internet connections.
For the Star Trek specific case I’m not sure how it would be best implemented, but I guess if some system fails it wouldn’t cause a cascading catastrophe when ”firewalling” was done correctly.
I mean tied together in the way that often when the holodeck is messing up the transporters also fail so they can't just beam people out. I know it's plot reasons but in universe that engineer should be fired.
I don't know. If holodeck tech is constantly manifesting and removing matter from the holodeck I can imagine having an external transporter system trying to resolve stuff in that shifting mess would be quite tricky even with those Heisenberg compensators.
I only remember having that happen once, and only because the transporters failed and cardie engineering dumped their patterns to the only place that had enough memory
When I was just a child I received a small metal Enterprise D as a Christmas present. The saucer section did detach… once. After that it jammed and literally nobody in my family could get it apart again.
Heh - that's the next episode on my Voyager watch through with the family. They already think Janeway is badass so I think they will be up for her fighting space Nazis.
That's not the case for the TNG Moriarty episodes. They ask the computer to create a villain that could defeat Data and the holodeck functions flawlessly to pull that off.
It's been awhile since I've seen the episode: they don't establish any weird situation that made the computer malfunction or something? Why is Data considered special if apparently any ship has a computer capable of creating a new sapient/intelligent person after working on it for a day?
Doesn't Moriarty get sent off in a shuttle at the end of the episode? I don't think the full Enterprise's computer is needed to run his mind, but even still it's still strange you don't see more sapient artificial life if it's apparently this easy to make. Data getting put on "trial" for his personhood shouldn't have been a thing because the Federation should be swimming with artificial people, maybe just in a larger form factor.
There have been at least a couple more episodes where they play with the idea that holodeck characters could be sapient without spelling it out the way they did with Moriarty. Plus, both DS9 and Voyager have definitively sapient hologram characters.
It's not "any ship." This is a Starfleet galaxy-class flagship we're talking about. You never truly learn whether or not
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Moriarty is truly sentient. But if Data was created, it can feasibly happen again in the same universe.
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In the later episode, the computer simulates
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the ship, staff, and another holodeck. So while they think they're interacting with the rest of the crew to solve the mystery, they are really just in the holodeck.
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You can go to any era or place but it'll be Earth in the mid 19th century we bet, even the other alien races just can't wait to cool off in resistance-era Nazi Germany.
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hey mine was a transporter malfunction where they get stuck in the beam for 45 minutes, bashir and garak have hot sweaty nasty lizard sex the entire time while barclay turns into a fish and watches
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AbsolutelyNotSpez@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 111d
teft@piefed.social · 18 pts · 111d
And what idiot always ties the damn transporter systems to the holodeck systems? Seems like people who believe in tertiary backups would have firewalled every system so when the holodecks go all Moriarty-y you can still beam people out.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 10 pts · 110d
Firewall?
ptu@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 110d
Before that there were fire-resistant barriers used to prevent the spread of fire within buildings, or you know, firewalls.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 110d
you mean insulation?
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 110d
Nah, an actual wall. Most computer terms they lean on older terms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewall_(construction)
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 109d
awww i was looking for a chance to show off my pathetic knowledge of rockwool. i looked up rockwool once dudes.
ptu@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 110d
My point was that it’s also like a blanket term for confining some disaster, not just a technical term used to protect internet connections.
For the Star Trek specific case I’m not sure how it would be best implemented, but I guess if some system fails it wouldn’t cause a cascading catastrophe when ”firewalling” was done correctly.
hopesdead@startrek.website · 8 pts · 111d
I don’t think they are tied, more like they use the same type of tech to do different things.
teft@piefed.social · 10 pts · 111d
I mean tied together in the way that often when the holodeck is messing up the transporters also fail so they can't just beam people out. I know it's plot reasons but in universe that engineer should be fired.
stsquad@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 110d
I don't know. If holodeck tech is constantly manifesting and removing matter from the holodeck I can imagine having an external transporter system trying to resolve stuff in that shifting mess would be quite tricky even with those Heisenberg compensators.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 111d
I only remember having that happen once, and only because the transporters failed and cardie engineering dumped their patterns to the only place that had enough memory
ch00f@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 111d
The saucer section release is busted or whatever.
PlasticExistence@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 110d
When I was just a child I received a small metal Enterprise D as a Christmas present. The saucer section did detach… once. After that it jammed and literally nobody in my family could get it apart again.
At least it was accurate to the show?
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 110d
I choose to believe a mad Trekkie toy engineer deliberately designed the toy to do this.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 110d
I mean, nobody wants to admit they replicated 9 cans of ravioli
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 111d
Right into my veins, please. I love holodeck episodes.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 7 pts · 110d
Honestly, the lizard nazi 2-parter was a bit too much for me.
stsquad@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 110d
Heh - that's the next episode on my Voyager watch through with the family. They already think Janeway is badass so I think they will be up for her fighting space Nazis.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 110d
Now are we talking the times they fought Nazi allegories, or that time they literally fought aliens dressed as Nazis? 😂
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 110d
or the time she went back in time and fought real nazis? i forget. star trek has gotten weird
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 110d
"Coffee instead of Earl Grey. Tons of it."
Is probably the
bestshortest way of summing her up, in Star Trek lore.IcedRaktajino@startrek.website · 15 pts · 111d
ruuster13@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 111d
That's not the case for the TNG Moriarty episodes. They ask the computer to create a villain that could defeat Data and the holodeck functions flawlessly to pull that off.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 111d
And then SNW did almost the same thing
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 111d
usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 110d
It's been awhile since I've seen the episode: they don't establish any weird situation that made the computer malfunction or something? Why is Data considered special if apparently any ship has a computer capable of creating a new sapient/intelligent person after working on it for a day?
hamFoilHat@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 110d
The holideck on the Enterprise was special, the Binars upgraded it in the early episode 11001001.
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 110d
I think there's a matter of scale to consider. The computing capabilities of a starship (and possibly more) have been crammed into a humanoid form.
Soong worked some miniaturization magic to create Data.
Edit: spelling
usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 110d
Doesn't Moriarty get sent off in a shuttle at the end of the episode? I don't think the full Enterprise's computer is needed to run his mind, but even still it's still strange you don't see more sapient artificial life if it's apparently this easy to make. Data getting put on "trial" for his personhood shouldn't have been a thing because the Federation should be swimming with artificial people, maybe just in a larger form factor.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 110d
There have been at least a couple more episodes where they play with the idea that holodeck characters could be sapient without spelling it out the way they did with Moriarty. Plus, both DS9 and Voyager have definitively sapient hologram characters.
ruuster13@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 110d
It's not "any ship." This is a Starfleet galaxy-class flagship we're talking about. You never truly learn whether or not
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler Moriarty is truly sentient. But if Data was created, it can feasibly happen again in the same universe. :::
In the later episode, the computer simulates
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler the ship, staff, and another holodeck. So while they think they're interacting with the rest of the crew to solve the mystery, they are really just in the holodeck. :::
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 110d
"Is Q in it?"
hansolo@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 110d
Bruh, we got
Q
In the malfunctioning holodeck
With a quirky transporter
Cameo by The Doctor (hologram Dr, not that one)
Oops Holodeck version of beloved secondary cast member set to "spicy"
Time loop entirely contained in the Holodeck - but if you just walk out, you die.
Late 20th century theme???! Crazy!
teft@piefed.social · 5 pts · 110d
Lower Decks did this trope the best:
mercano@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 110d
“Our Man Bashir” asks “Why not both?”
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 110d
Just the silliest there is.
turtlesareneat@piefed.ca · 9 pts · 110d
You can go to any era or place but it'll be Earth in the mid 19th century we bet, even the other alien races just can't wait to cool off in resistance-era Nazi Germany.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 111d
Haha, of course not, how stereotypical.
It’s tribbles!
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 110d
BREAKING: US naval aircraft carrier nearly sunk after rampaging zombies burst out of movie screen on flight deck, violating all known physics principles of how movie screens work. Crew deals with zombies and captain says nightly movies will continue.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 7 pts · 110d
My wacky idea episode is a holodeck episode, but the twist is that nothing goes wrong.
Also it's just Bashir and Garak having sex the entire 45 minutes while Barclay watches and makes commentary.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 110d
hey mine was a transporter malfunction where they get stuck in the beam for 45 minutes, bashir and garak have hot sweaty nasty lizard sex the entire time while barclay turns into a fish and watches
OddMinus1@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 110d
At this point today, I'm suprised this isn't loss.
jobbies@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 110d
Does it involve a 'tuvix' scenario?