I'm in IT and have fucked around with various NASs and different RAID setups for decades. What will annoy my fellow nerds, but is an absolute truth, is that Amazon photos, which is 'free' with Prime is a far, far better solution in terms of convenience, usability and reliability than anything else I've been doing. We've tens of thousands of photos synched to it and, not only that, we actually go back and look at these memories frequently as it's setup as a screen saver on our firesticks and other devices. We've literally watched a movie as a family and then spent half an hour after watching the picture slideshows that come up. Other than being part of the Amazon ecosystem which I know will garner righteous hatred (and perhaps rightly), I genuinely can't fault it and sleep easy knowing that my stuff is safe.
I used it for years, and it works well, and it's the cheapest option if you're already paying for prime, but fuck that shit I cancelled prime and don't miss it.
I have immich on a NAS, my phones backup to it, and I manually upload from my cameras. I have the NAS synced to a remote NAS I keep in another country with syncthing (not an option for everyone I know, but also not strictly necessary), which is backed up to Backblaze. Though that's getting expensive and beginning to enshitify so will likely figure out another solution soon.
Building a new NAS soon and I'll be looking at new cloud backup options then.
Get it, and I am not a fan of the company, but we live in rural Scotland -and simply cannot economically buy all the thing we need locally. Prime has the 'free' postage, so we basically hold our nose and use it. Not proud of that, but it is what it is and Prime photos just works.
Synology's Photos system, NAS in my home with replicated backuos to an attached second volume. Haven't done offsite backups tho and that eats away at the back of my mind a tiny bit constantly. Just so damn expensive and inconvenient to back up well over a terabyte of photos and videos offsite in a zeeo-trust way (as in the backup provider or attackers oe law enforcement cannot ever decrypt them)
When (if?) it enshittifies I'm pretty sold on immich as a replacement tho, and I'm not sure yet how I'd do, like, auto backup from my phone, that shit just works crazy reliably with Synology Photos
I have this. I have Syncthing on our phones as well to backup our images to desktop, configured as when I move the images away on the desktop it makes room on the phone.
Put a password on a specific video and share the password with specific people
Make them "internal", they will not be distributed via activity pub and only people who have an account on your instance can see them (this is what I do, I gave friends and family an account on my instance, about 90% of my videos are internal)
Make the video unlisted, like on youtube only people with the direct link can see it, doesn't federate and doesn't show up in lists or search
Desktop, backed up to NAS, nightly pushes to Backblaze b2. Have Immich pointed to the NAS with most of my photos / video as external storage. Any media uploaded to Immich (phone sync) also goes to the NAS and then b2.
Photos/videos from my phone get backed up on two laptops and eventually an external drive. Photos from cameras do the same with the more interesting photos going to my phone as well. These all tend to be on the same physical location so I really should find better way.
nothing fancy. manual backup to externals. store at home and the office. checksums are saved on the drives, and re-verified whenever we dig one out to fetch some files or to add more. don't really need more than that for photos and home movies, so no nas or cloud.
I have only used backup USB drives. Never have used a backup service ever.
I use Acronis to back up my systems and then copy the TIB to the USB drive as well.
Videos, pictures, music, documents, and all of my family's computer backup files are stored on a local server that has five large drives. Carbonite is used to backup the server. I only need the basic plan.
First, it gets saved to my main working partition, which is a 9-SSD ZFS Raid-Z array with double redundancy. (Can lose two drives without losing any data.)
It then gets automatically uploaded to my cloud backup, MEGA, with end-to-end encryption.
And finally, once per night, all files in my main working partition are backed up to my backup partition, a 3-HDD ZFS Raid-Z array with single redundancy. (Can lose one drive without losing any data.)
(And, of course, ZFS is copy-on-write, which means anything that's deleted or overwritten can still be recovered. Old versions of either partition can be mounted and accessed as if they were other drives. Especially useful in cases of accidental deletion or ransomware attack, etc.)
Uhh, while it's not prohibitively expensive, Synology C2 is definitely not what'd I'd call cheap. Backblaze or Hetzner, yeah. Especially if you go over 1TB, it turns into highway robbery.
Primary is three (encrypted) rotating external drives with one always offsite. Secondary is occasional backup of the most important data to backblaze.
I have some debatably important text data like my Silverbullet.md notes and project code that also get auto pushed to a private git repo every night (if changed) in addition to the regular backups.
Nothing. I quit making (digital) photography for anything personal, aka memories worth preserving, the day I realized I could no longer trust tech (and the companies behind them, or even our own governments) to respect my privacy. I now only do 'useful' and temporary kind of photos, stuff that have no personal value to me and that I see no interest in backing up.
As for videos, i don't do personal video either and for movies, well, I own the DVDs I purchase. Plus, I have two copies on external drives (not as much as a backup but to make my life simpler ;)
I can't trust the operating system running on the phone, even less so as a non-us citizen since US law (android and iOS are US-products) recognize us even less right to any kind of privacy.
I can't trust the network (here in France, my ISP is required by law to record my online activities). Network can be encrypted? OK, but I cannot trust the gov to not make it illegal for the average person to use real encryption (even on one's own hardware) because, you know, 'think of the children', or the evil terrorists.
Huh? Your comment doesn’t make any sense. What does a phone os have to do with backing up your photos? And what does encryption or network have anything to do with backing up your photos either? You can run Immich on Linux.
Well, it does make sense the moment you consider my whole point is that I can't trust those various elements (from taking the picture with my phone, to backing it up anywhere I fancy). Hence my first reply: me not using those anymore for personal use and therefore not needing to worry about doing backups. That's all there is to my remark.
You can take photos with regular cameras you know…
I've been doing photography since 78 (still a kid, back then) when, while I was spending holidays at his big home in a big city, my photographer of an uncle gave me my first reflex camera and two rolls of Ilford (so far, I only had been using a tiny kid Kodak pocket camera, loaded with tiny cassettes), telling me how to load the camera and how to use a lightmeter to get a correct exposure (and what that was), and then he gave me some cash and told me to get the fuck out of his office and go out to shoot random stuff on the block until there was not a single frame left. Only then, I could come back home and we would develop said rolls together in his darkroom, printing whatever he would consider to not be complete trash. Yes, he spoke like that to his dear pupil, and yes he was the kind of adult encouraging a little boy (be it me, or his own kids) to go out and explore the city around us alone and unsupervised (back then, people were a tad less paranoid). He kinda had his own very personal way to motivate me and to get my attention.
Back in the darkroom, while I assisted him (technically speaking, I mostly watched him do his magic and pressed a few buttons) I was in awe when I first saw the image appear on paper in his bath under the red light. That was real superpower (so far, I had never witnessed developing or making a print out of it, it was done by some random lab handing me back a pile of prints in place of the cassette).
If anyone wants to know, I managed to get a few decent pictures for my first time. Using the Nikkor 55 f2,8 lens (a macro lens) he gave me with the camera (the dude had some taste, I would still love to use this lens) I used to get a decent picture of a... fly, sitting still on a window. Another one, of the entire block that was taken from... the very top of the big ladder of a firetruck (I simply went into the nearby firemen station and they were kinda cool with kid-me and ended up inviting me to climb the ladder with one of them (something nowadays parents would sue them into oblivion for... that probably decided my future career). It was a blast. I was seeing the town around like I had never seen it: I was standing on the fucking top of the buildings! I was in love with what happened that day, and with myself feeling, no it was more than just a feeling, me being that tiny version of a reporter and being not just allowed but encouraged to do incredible stuff I would otherwise not be allowed to. I was also very much liking the dude that climbed with me and moved the ladder slightly for me to get a good shot, and I liked his friends for being so welcoming to silly kid-me... I made a group picture of the four of them and that was the third print worth keeping. If I got rid of the fly print very quickly, I dearly kept the block shot and the one of the firemen, in my various offices until... i quit photography, a few decades later.
So, yes, to answer your insightful remark, I think I know I can do analog. I also think I know how to do digital, I started in the late 90s as an out of curiosity experiment (that was quite fun too). And I think I know how to make backups of both media. But, replying to the OP I did not imagine he was considering doing backups of analog photography at all, I may have been wrong.
Just so you know: analog-wise, I've had zero issue keeping prints in archival photographic boxes for almost half a century, and archiving my negatives and slides in paper sleeves. Prints are also great to share with friends and people as they're long lasting even without much care... I kept the same way much older prints, I purchased from galleries or from fellow photographers, without any issue.
I don’t really understand how, but there’s some misunderstanding happening here. You can still backup non-analog photos that don’t come from a phone. I have a Nikon Z6-II. I take the memory card out, I stick it in a reader, I back it up. None of it requires a network connection or an untrusted computer. Asking about backing up your photos has nothing to do with analog or digital, spying governments or not.
You literally can keep everything local, encrypted and air-gapped, without it ever seeing outside world.
OK, but I cannot trust the gov to not make it illegal for the average person to use real encryption (even on one's own hardware)
A law like that would be unenforceable. Nobody knows what's running in your closet save for police raiding your house (at which time they would also gain access to your physical photos)
58 Comments
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 108d
Immich
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 107d
stoy@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 108d
Currently, nothing.
I store my photos on a 4TB local drive in my computer.
This autumn though, I have accepted that I need to bite the bullet and over pay for the last two drives in my NAS build.
I currently have four 8TB drives, but need two more to complete my plan for a zraid2 32TB storage array.
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 108d
Backup?
graynk@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 107d
Immich on my self-hosted server at home + backups to https://filen.io/
YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 107d
I'm in IT and have fucked around with various NASs and different RAID setups for decades. What will annoy my fellow nerds, but is an absolute truth, is that Amazon photos, which is 'free' with Prime is a far, far better solution in terms of convenience, usability and reliability than anything else I've been doing. We've tens of thousands of photos synched to it and, not only that, we actually go back and look at these memories frequently as it's setup as a screen saver on our firesticks and other devices. We've literally watched a movie as a family and then spent half an hour after watching the picture slideshows that come up. Other than being part of the Amazon ecosystem which I know will garner righteous hatred (and perhaps rightly), I genuinely can't fault it and sleep easy knowing that my stuff is safe.
3abas@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 107d
Incoming hatred because Amazon, like you said.
I used it for years, and it works well, and it's the cheapest option if you're already paying for prime, but fuck that shit I cancelled prime and don't miss it.
I have immich on a NAS, my phones backup to it, and I manually upload from my cameras. I have the NAS synced to a remote NAS I keep in another country with syncthing (not an option for everyone I know, but also not strictly necessary), which is backed up to Backblaze. Though that's getting expensive and beginning to enshitify so will likely figure out another solution soon.
Building a new NAS soon and I'll be looking at new cloud backup options then.
puck2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 102d
Did you start at Immich? My problem is I'm already set up at Synology Photos but am considering leaving for Immic. Maybe I'm crazy.
puck2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 102d
Do you back up to Immich via tailscale?
YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 107d
Get it, and I am not a fan of the company, but we live in rural Scotland -and simply cannot economically buy all the thing we need locally. Prime has the 'free' postage, so we basically hold our nose and use it. Not proud of that, but it is what it is and Prime photos just works.
return2ozma@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 107d
If it works for you, who cares what others think. Sounds like a great time watching memories with your family.
noxypaws@pawb.social · 5 pts · 107d
Synology's Photos system, NAS in my home with replicated backuos to an attached second volume. Haven't done offsite backups tho and that eats away at the back of my mind a tiny bit constantly. Just so damn expensive and inconvenient to back up well over a terabyte of photos and videos offsite in a zeeo-trust way (as in the backup provider or attackers oe law enforcement cannot ever decrypt them)
When (if?) it enshittifies I'm pretty sold on immich as a replacement tho, and I'm not sure yet how I'd do, like, auto backup from my phone, that shit just works crazy reliably with Synology Photos
puck2@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 102d
I'm trying to make the leap from Synology to Immich.
essell@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 108d
Syncthing, automatic storage to my NAS and main PC.
Cellari@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 107d
I have this. I have Syncthing on our phones as well to backup our images to desktop, configured as when I move the images away on the desktop it makes room on the phone.
essell@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 107d
Excellent, I do love the way syncthing makes that simple.
I use SMBSync2 to move any pictures more than a month old into a backup folder so they don't clog my phone. Keeps things neat.
jeena@piefed.jeena.net · 5 pts · 108d
Immich for backups from the phones.
PeerTube for videos worth sharing with friends and family.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 106d
Can you make videos private and only accessible to certain people on peertube??
jeena@piefed.jeena.net · 2 pts · 106d
Yes there are several ways to do it:
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 106d
That's so awesome, I'm gonna try this out!
cybervseas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 107d
Same here. Immich is on a vps from Contabo. And my PeerTube instance runs on dedicated physical server also with Contabo.
Dultas@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 107d
Desktop, backed up to NAS, nightly pushes to Backblaze b2. Have Immich pointed to the NAS with most of my photos / video as external storage. Any media uploaded to Immich (phone sync) also goes to the NAS and then b2.
AstroLightz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 108d
I don't have photos or videos worth keeping, so I don't back them up. If the data gets lost, oh well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 107d
PGP encrypted archives uploaded to Internxt, mirrored on an external SSD.
moondoggie@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 107d
Nice try, government.
Lasherz12@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 108d
Local NAS
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 3 pts · 108d
Local NAS with Nextcloud open to the www.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 3 pts · 108d
Photos: Hard copy. The negatives, if they were actual film.
Videos: I don't take any and the things I save can usually be found again. cough some vintage porn notwithstanding...
LeapSecond@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 108d
Photos/videos from my phone get backed up on two laptops and eventually an external drive. Photos from cameras do the same with the more interesting photos going to my phone as well. These all tend to be on the same physical location so I really should find better way.
adarza@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 108d
nothing fancy. manual backup to externals. store at home and the office. checksums are saved on the drives, and re-verified whenever we dig one out to fetch some files or to add more. don't really need more than that for photos and home movies, so no nas or cloud.
_ed@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 108d
Manual backups to externals - honestly nothing that really gets revisited that often so dont feel the need for setting up anything more complex.
ultranaut@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 108d
Ente.
Buckshot@programming.dev · 2 pts · 107d
Immich to one server, syncthing to another. Both servers backed up with restic to hetzner storage box.
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 107d
I have only used backup USB drives. Never have used a backup service ever. I use Acronis to back up my systems and then copy the TIB to the USB drive as well.
tangible@piefed.social · 2 pts · 107d
portnull@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 107d
Immich to backup to my storage. Restic to back that up to cloud
lokalhorst@feddit.org · 2 pts · 108d
Just synctjing to my local PC. From time to time I backup the important stuff to an external drive.
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 108d
For my own, absolutely nothing, i don't like pictures. I will gladly let those disappear every time i switch the phone.
For my wifes, just from time to time coping those from mobile to PC and storing it on 2 different hard drives.
DredPyr8Roberts@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 108d
Videos, pictures, music, documents, and all of my family's computer backup files are stored on a local server that has five large drives. Carbonite is used to backup the server. I only need the basic plan.
toomuchrdio@retrolemmy.com · 1 pts · 107d
SFTP hosted on a laptop + ZeroTier for accessibility
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 1 pts · 108d
First, it gets saved to my main working partition, which is a 9-SSD ZFS Raid-Z array with double redundancy. (Can lose two drives without losing any data.)
It then gets automatically uploaded to my cloud backup, MEGA, with end-to-end encryption.
And finally, once per night, all files in my main working partition are backed up to my backup partition, a 3-HDD ZFS Raid-Z array with single redundancy. (Can lose one drive without losing any data.)
(And, of course, ZFS is copy-on-write, which means anything that's deleted or overwritten can still be recovered. Old versions of either partition can be mounted and accessed as if they were other drives. Especially useful in cases of accidental deletion or ransomware attack, etc.)
newton@feddit.online · 1 pts · 108d
Filen and koofr
87Six@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 107d
Plain old internal HDD kept separately from my PC, and a usb dock for running the backup. FreeFileSync makes the process a dream.
Also, idk about anyone else, but I like the physical process of hooking things up. It feels good as opposed to just pressing buttons.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 108d
Synology. Syncing to their cheap cloud storage.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 107d
Uhh, while it's not prohibitively expensive, Synology C2 is definitely not what'd I'd call cheap. Backblaze or Hetzner, yeah. Especially if you go over 1TB, it turns into highway robbery.
I know because I've used all three :p
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 107d
They just raised their rates, but they were cheaper than backblaze.
felixwhynot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 108d
Combination of HDs and cloud storage (don’t judge me too hard, Lemmings!)
clif@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 107d
Primary is three (encrypted) rotating external drives with one always offsite. Secondary is occasional backup of the most important data to backblaze.
I have some debatably important text data like my Silverbullet.md notes and project code that also get auto pushed to a private git repo every night (if changed) in addition to the regular backups.
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 107d
I got 1tb on OneDrive and use it for the sake of too lazy to switch
solxix@pawb.social · 2 pts · 107d
I hope you at least encrypt everything
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 107d
I store only my personal nudes there. The AI knows me well.
Libb@piefed.social · -1 pts · 108d
Nothing. I quit making (digital) photography for anything personal, aka memories worth preserving, the day I realized I could no longer trust tech (and the companies behind them, or even our own governments) to respect my privacy. I now only do 'useful' and temporary kind of photos, stuff that have no personal value to me and that I see no interest in backing up.
As for videos, i don't do personal video either and for movies, well, I own the DVDs I purchase. Plus, I have two copies on external drives (not as much as a backup but to make my life simpler ;)
tyler@programming.dev · 3 pts · 108d
You can just host your own. Like Immich.
Libb@piefed.social · -2 pts · 108d
I can't trust the operating system running on the phone, even less so as a non-us citizen since US law (android and iOS are US-products) recognize us even less right to any kind of privacy.
I can't trust the network (here in France, my ISP is required by law to record my online activities). Network can be encrypted? OK, but I cannot trust the gov to not make it illegal for the average person to use real encryption (even on one's own hardware) because, you know, 'think of the children', or the evil terrorists.
tyler@programming.dev · 4 pts · 108d
Huh? Your comment doesn’t make any sense. What does a phone os have to do with backing up your photos? And what does encryption or network have anything to do with backing up your photos either? You can run Immich on Linux.
Libb@piefed.social · -2 pts · 107d
Well, it does make sense the moment you consider my whole point is that I can't trust those various elements (from taking the picture with my phone, to backing it up anywhere I fancy). Hence my first reply: me not using those anymore for personal use and therefore not needing to worry about doing backups. That's all there is to my remark.
tyler@programming.dev · 1 pts · 107d
You can take photos with regular cameras you know… ones without any network connection at all.
Libb@piefed.social · 1 pts · 107d
I've been doing photography since 78 (still a kid, back then) when, while I was spending holidays at his big home in a big city, my photographer of an uncle gave me my first reflex camera and two rolls of Ilford (so far, I only had been using a tiny kid Kodak pocket camera, loaded with tiny cassettes), telling me how to load the camera and how to use a lightmeter to get a correct exposure (and what that was), and then he gave me some cash and told me to get the fuck out of his office and go out to shoot random stuff on the block until there was not a single frame left. Only then, I could come back home and we would develop said rolls together in his darkroom, printing whatever he would consider to not be complete trash. Yes, he spoke like that to his dear pupil, and yes he was the kind of adult encouraging a little boy (be it me, or his own kids) to go out and explore the city around us alone and unsupervised (back then, people were a tad less paranoid). He kinda had his own very personal way to motivate me and to get my attention.
Back in the darkroom, while I assisted him (technically speaking, I mostly watched him do his magic and pressed a few buttons) I was in awe when I first saw the image appear on paper in his bath under the red light. That was real superpower (so far, I had never witnessed developing or making a print out of it, it was done by some random lab handing me back a pile of prints in place of the cassette).
If anyone wants to know, I managed to get a few decent pictures for my first time. Using the Nikkor 55 f2,8 lens (a macro lens) he gave me with the camera (the dude had some taste, I would still love to use this lens) I used to get a decent picture of a... fly, sitting still on a window. Another one, of the entire block that was taken from... the very top of the big ladder of a firetruck (I simply went into the nearby firemen station and they were kinda cool with kid-me and ended up inviting me to climb the ladder with one of them (something nowadays parents would sue them into oblivion for... that probably decided my future career). It was a blast. I was seeing the town around like I had never seen it: I was standing on the fucking top of the buildings! I was in love with what happened that day, and with myself feeling, no it was more than just a feeling, me being that tiny version of a reporter and being not just allowed but encouraged to do incredible stuff I would otherwise not be allowed to. I was also very much liking the dude that climbed with me and moved the ladder slightly for me to get a good shot, and I liked his friends for being so welcoming to silly kid-me... I made a group picture of the four of them and that was the third print worth keeping. If I got rid of the fly print very quickly, I dearly kept the block shot and the one of the firemen, in my various offices until... i quit photography, a few decades later.
So, yes, to answer your insightful remark, I think I know I can do analog. I also think I know how to do digital, I started in the late 90s as an out of curiosity experiment (that was quite fun too). And I think I know how to make backups of both media. But, replying to the OP I did not imagine he was considering doing backups of analog photography at all, I may have been wrong.
Just so you know: analog-wise, I've had zero issue keeping prints in archival photographic boxes for almost half a century, and archiving my negatives and slides in paper sleeves. Prints are also great to share with friends and people as they're long lasting even without much care... I kept the same way much older prints, I purchased from galleries or from fellow photographers, without any issue.
edit: typos.
tyler@programming.dev · 1 pts · 106d
I don’t really understand how, but there’s some misunderstanding happening here. You can still backup non-analog photos that don’t come from a phone. I have a Nikon Z6-II. I take the memory card out, I stick it in a reader, I back it up. None of it requires a network connection or an untrusted computer. Asking about backing up your photos has nothing to do with analog or digital, spying governments or not.
graynk@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 107d
You literally can keep everything local, encrypted and air-gapped, without it ever seeing outside world.
A law like that would be unenforceable. Nobody knows what's running in your closet save for police raiding your house (at which time they would also gain access to your physical photos)