Yeah, the whole thing started with invading a newly found continent and slaughtering the native people. There was never a point where it was good in any way.
Folks love to read a history book on WW2 and tell themselves the only fascists that ever existed were the Germans, the Italian, (and occasionally the Japanese).
And then we say "they lost! we won! Problem solved!"
Maybe with some hand waving about how Russia was full of Tankies and it's a good thing we won the Cold War, too.
There's never any real analysis of why we joined the side we did or why we broke with them before the smoke had even cleared.
the book i like on ww2 history is about submarines. no geopolitics at all, just submarines and what it's like to be on a submarine (because my wife's grandfather was on one of the submarines they were talking about in the book? i read it two decades ago before i started dating my wife. her little brother recommended it to me in high school before i met her. and shit high school was not two decades ago.). aaand i think i forgot the name. it might be Iron Coffins.
Bro thats like asking if we'd be better off if the world was flat, too large a question with too many variables, completely impossible to actually give a proper answer
China might have become a Japanese colony, and all of Germany would have become part of the Soviet block.
The war may have lasted a year longer.
And the US wouldn't have become the leading superpower in the world.
The Nazis definitely wouldn't have won, though. They were on the back foot before the US military entered the war in Europe.
(I'm assuming the US would have still supplied the Soviets with weapons, cause there's no reason to assume they would let a good opportunity for profit go to waste)
On a side note, the US declared war only on Japan. They didn't enter the war to stop the Nazis for moral reasons, only as a reaction to being attacked themselves. So there wasn't really an option to sit it out.
China might have become a Japanese colony, and all of Germany would have become part of the Soviet block.
The US was instrumental in backstopping Moscow and Beijing during the late 30s, which is what dragged us into the conflict at Pearl Harbor. Japan was trying to cut our supply lines to it's enemies.
Go back to 1932 and hypothesize that the Dems had flubbed it. Or that some neoliberal hack had taken over after Hoover and dragged out the Depression another four years.
Then imagine fascism fully taking hold in the US like it had in Europe. I don't think the Soviets benefit from that. I also don't think China becomes a Japanese colony (for the same reason Japan was run out of Vietnam without any real Western aid). But you also probably don't get Nixon opening the US economy to China in the 60s.
It raises a ton of question marks across the board. What happens to the Middle East, Latin America, and the Pacific Rim? What happens to India and the African states as they industrialize? What does Europe look like under a post-Hitler government? Etc etc.
The Nazis definitely wouldn’t have won, though.
Absent the US, I don't see how you get 1950s Europe in any conventional sense
They did sit it out as much as they could - the Japanese attacked them and then the Germans declared war on them, the US was only involved out of self-defense.
We would probably have been better off if the US had declared war on Germany in September of 1939, rather than Germany declaring war on the US 2¼ years later out of solidarity with Japan.
Since we can speculate how much better it would have been if they'd joined sooner, can we also speculate if it would be worse - at all - if they'd never joined?
The oil embargo on Japan was a virtual declaration of war.
As always the US wants war to defeat their economic rivals.
In Europe they waited royally late until the decisive battle of Stalingrad in 1943.
The reason they 'liberated' western-Europe was to take a part for themselves and stop the Soviets from going all the way to the Atlantic.
Making Europe vassals to this day.
There was no self-defense only opportunistic self-interest.
This is literally my only comment in this thread. Are "we" an amalgam to you?
And even if "we" are to be considered an amalgam, can you find a set of comments such that "we" criticize every possible choice the US could have made with regard to a specific decision?
The USW has plenty of sins but to Axt like the US has done nothing good for the whole fucking world since 1945 is frankly absurd. You could argue it is a net negative and at least you'd have something to argue about but saying they've done nothing for the world is just stupid. The world has relied on the US for decades for massive funding of many many projects around the world. Was it self serving also? Absolutely but it still helped a lot and no one else was fucking doing it.
Now Diddy Trump goes in and gets rid of all the "extra" US spending so he can plunder even ire and who the fuck has stood up to fill the US gaps? Oh yeah. No one.
So yeah duck the US and their meddling but at least it had some collateral good. Where the hell are the other countries that just pointed at the US and patted themselves on the back for helping maintain world peace. Germany? England? France? Hello. Spend money on the world please. It needs it.
Literally you are the same problem you despise on the right side. This type of person is destroying the world. And get. You think you are helping. Ironic.
All this blind single issue rage.
Hey, the world is more complicated than 0 or 1. Fucking read more and process before you blurt out the first thing your little meat engine had pop into it.
they took all the credit from the soviet union, just joining the war when it was really already lost for germany, because russia was pushing through the east.
I like that even though they illustrated themselves as these armored badasses, they still made the effort to hide behind a dog, a subservient animal unaware of its allegiance or cause.
They apparently meant Christians, using the Greek Χ (Chi), the starting letter of Χριστιανός (Christianos) as an abbreviation. I've seen it a few times, but I'm not personally a fan of it due to the obscurity outside of the niche that understands it.
Xians = Christians in the same way that Xmas = Christmas. Sure, the Greek would be more accurate, but it's a whole lot easier to use the button that's already on the keyboard.
Using the Latin lookalike instead of the actual letter is fairly common when you're using a Latin keyboard. I happen to have Greek installed on mine, but I don't expect most people would. Besides, an uppercase Χ is visually indistinguishable from X in many fonts.
All the confusion should let people know, don't use this if you want to actually communicate information. Just type Christians. It's not much longer, and everyone understands it. This is only too look cool, not for conveying information.
Not so sure they were ever perceived all that well outside of their own. They just talked themselves up a fuck-ton, and for a long time were the main ones writing, publishing, & distributing history books while doing so. They love to self-promote — it's the hallmark of people with deep insecurities.
For a while now, I've been thinking of a game idea with a future US dystopian setting... and even there the detainees would have beds, brushes, and other basic necessities.
Well, at least one of those is CIA, so yes, America did supply soap n toothpaste...just likely on a budget that never gets reviewed by elected officials
Your comment is — that is, if you mean "which one is more vague?" You might actually get a more useful answer than this one if you were just a smidge more specific.
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Decq@lemmy.world · 240 pts · 95d
CompostMaterial@lemmy.world · 109 pts · 95d
Always have been.
M137@lemmy.today · 26 pts · 95d
Yeah, the whole thing started with invading a newly found continent and slaughtering the native people. There was never a point where it was good in any way.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 95d
You can't think of a particular laurel the USA has been resting on since 1945?
Tiresia@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 94d
Being the only country to use nuclear weapons?
Needing the fascists to bomb a naval base in an island colony to reluctantly join the fight against them, rather than just war profiteering?
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 94d
Think we'd be better off if they'd sat it out?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 94d
Folks love to read a history book on WW2 and tell themselves the only fascists that ever existed were the Germans, the Italian, (and occasionally the Japanese).
And then we say "they lost! we won! Problem solved!"
Maybe with some hand waving about how Russia was full of Tankies and it's a good thing we won the Cold War, too.
There's never any real analysis of why we joined the side we did or why we broke with them before the smoke had even cleared.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 94d
the book i like on ww2 history is about submarines. no geopolitics at all, just submarines and what it's like to be on a submarine (because my wife's grandfather was on one of the submarines they were talking about in the book? i read it two decades ago before i started dating my wife. her little brother recommended it to me in high school before i met her. and shit high school was not two decades ago.). aaand i think i forgot the name. it might be Iron Coffins.
tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 94d
Bro thats like asking if we'd be better off if the world was flat, too large a question with too many variables, completely impossible to actually give a proper answer
mech@feddit.org · 1 pts · 94d
China might have become a Japanese colony, and all of Germany would have become part of the Soviet block.
The war may have lasted a year longer.
And the US wouldn't have become the leading superpower in the world.
The Nazis definitely wouldn't have won, though. They were on the back foot before the US military entered the war in Europe.
(I'm assuming the US would have still supplied the Soviets with weapons, cause there's no reason to assume they would let a good opportunity for profit go to waste)
On a side note, the US declared war only on Japan. They didn't enter the war to stop the Nazis for moral reasons, only as a reaction to being attacked themselves. So there wasn't really an option to sit it out.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 94d
The US was instrumental in backstopping Moscow and Beijing during the late 30s, which is what dragged us into the conflict at Pearl Harbor. Japan was trying to cut our supply lines to it's enemies.
Go back to 1932 and hypothesize that the Dems had flubbed it. Or that some neoliberal hack had taken over after Hoover and dragged out the Depression another four years.
Then imagine fascism fully taking hold in the US like it had in Europe. I don't think the Soviets benefit from that. I also don't think China becomes a Japanese colony (for the same reason Japan was run out of Vietnam without any real Western aid). But you also probably don't get Nixon opening the US economy to China in the 60s.
It raises a ton of question marks across the board. What happens to the Middle East, Latin America, and the Pacific Rim? What happens to India and the African states as they industrialize? What does Europe look like under a post-Hitler government? Etc etc.
Absent the US, I don't see how you get 1950s Europe in any conventional sense
Tiresia@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 94d
They did sit it out as much as they could - the Japanese attacked them and then the Germans declared war on them, the US was only involved out of self-defense.
We would probably have been better off if the US had declared war on Germany in September of 1939, rather than Germany declaring war on the US 2¼ years later out of solidarity with Japan.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 94d
Since we can speculate how much better it would have been if they'd joined sooner, can we also speculate if it would be worse - at all - if they'd never joined?
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 93d
The oil embargo on Japan was a virtual declaration of war.
As always the US wants war to defeat their economic rivals.
In Europe they waited royally late until the decisive battle of Stalingrad in 1943.
The reason they 'liberated' western-Europe was to take a part for themselves and stop the Soviets from going all the way to the Atlantic.
Making Europe vassals to this day.
There was no self-defense only opportunistic self-interest.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 93d
And many people in the US quite liked Hitler and what he was saying. Henry Ford was a personal fan
NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 94d
Have I lost the thread? We're just openly admitting now that we'd blame the US regardless of which decision they made?
Tiresia@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 94d
This is literally my only comment in this thread. Are "we" an amalgam to you?
And even if "we" are to be considered an amalgam, can you find a set of comments such that "we" criticize every possible choice the US could have made with regard to a specific decision?
motruck@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 94d
The USW has plenty of sins but to Axt like the US has done nothing good for the whole fucking world since 1945 is frankly absurd. You could argue it is a net negative and at least you'd have something to argue about but saying they've done nothing for the world is just stupid. The world has relied on the US for decades for massive funding of many many projects around the world. Was it self serving also? Absolutely but it still helped a lot and no one else was fucking doing it.
Now Diddy Trump goes in and gets rid of all the "extra" US spending so he can plunder even ire and who the fuck has stood up to fill the US gaps? Oh yeah. No one.
So yeah duck the US and their meddling but at least it had some collateral good. Where the hell are the other countries that just pointed at the US and patted themselves on the back for helping maintain world peace. Germany? England? France? Hello. Spend money on the world please. It needs it.
motruck@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 94d
Literally you are the same problem you despise on the right side. This type of person is destroying the world. And get. You think you are helping. Ironic.
All this blind single issue rage.
Hey, the world is more complicated than 0 or 1. Fucking read more and process before you blurt out the first thing your little meat engine had pop into it.
theolodis@feddit.org · 4 pts · 94d
they took all the credit from the soviet union, just joining the war when it was really already lost for germany, because russia was pushing through the east.
higgsboson@piefed.social · 4 pts · 94d
Sure let's pretend Lend-Lease wasn't a thing.
After all, we only sent the Soviets 17.5 million TONS of aid.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 94d
That's so not true! The U.S. also sold weapons to both sides!
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 93d
Can you?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 94d
Guys watching the original Rambo: First Blood movie and simply not getting it
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 93d
Then the sequels laughing about it
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today · 59 pts · 95d
Nah, most of my fellow countrymen (jailers?) aren't anywhere near introspective enough to get that far.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 95d
Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 95d
This is the kind of shit that blows my mind. I thought surely this was an image of satire.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/staff-at-minnesota-deportation-hub-received-obscene-trump-themed-challenge-coins-adorned-with-skulls
NOPE
Batmancer@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 95d
I like that even though they illustrated themselves as these armored badasses, they still made the effort to hide behind a dog, a subservient animal unaware of its allegiance or cause.
Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 93d
Even the skull is hiding his identity.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 94d
It genuinely looks like somebody just stuck labels on the box art from the Killzone games.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 95d
Wow, it's like they saw the imagery in Death Stranding 2 and were inspired by it.
0ops@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 95d
That looks straight out of helldivers
Juice@midwest.social · 10 pts · 94d
Outright lie! How dare you accuse Americans of this! Americans don't have anywhere near this level of self awareness
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 95d
Naaah.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com · 70 pts · 95d
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-migrant-children-toothbrush-soap-sleep-court-appeal-detention-a8967431.html
Xians voted in 2020 and 2024 to treat children like this. This story is from 2019.
csolisr@hub.azkware.net · 69 pts · 95d
For a moment I thought it was Xian as in region of Xi'an, Shaanxi, China, and I was even more confused
Flamekebab@piefed.social · 11 pts · 95d
I thought of Ecksians from Discworld.
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today · 34 pts · 95d
By "Xians", I'm hoping you mean Xitter users & not Gen X because I'm a part of that group.
i_ben_fine@midwest.social · 29 pts · 95d
X = Christ
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today · 20 pts · 95d
Ah, TY for the explanation. Glad I'm an atheist.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 10 pts · 95d
Good old "is this capital letter at the start of a sentence meaningful, or is it just a capital because it's the start of a sentence" disease
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 94d
just put an X down if you can't write
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 28 pts · 95d
They apparently meant Christians, using the Greek Χ (Chi), the starting letter of Χριστιανός (Christianos) as an abbreviation. I've seen it a few times, but I'm not personally a fan of it due to the obscurity outside of the niche that understands it.
Limonene@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 95d
Maybe... but they wrote "X" (latin "Ex"), not "χ" (Greek "Chi"). I'm still thinking "Twitter users" is the most plausible meaning of "Xians" here.
IzzyScissor@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 95d
Xians = Christians in the same way that Xmas = Christmas. Sure, the Greek would be more accurate, but it's a whole lot easier to use the button that's already on the keyboard.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 9 pts · 95d
Using the Latin lookalike instead of the actual letter is fairly common when you're using a Latin keyboard. I happen to have Greek installed on mine, but I don't expect most people would. Besides, an uppercase Χ is visually indistinguishable from X in many fonts.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 94d
i've seen xtians more than xians. and i'm a godsdamned church musician who works primarily in christian churches
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 95d
All the confusion should let people know, don't use this if you want to actually communicate information. Just type Christians. It's not much longer, and everyone understands it. This is only too look cool, not for conveying information.
sudoer777@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 94d
They get extremely offended by it though
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 93d
You sound mad. Have you tried asking your god to make you less angry?
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 93d
I'm not angry. There are like five comments confused. I dint have a god.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 7 pts · 95d
american protestants on their way to completely alter the way that all Christians are perceived whilst commiting the occasiinal or daily heresy
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 95d
Not so sure they were ever perceived all that well outside of their own. They just talked themselves up a fuck-ton, and for a long time were the main ones writing, publishing, & distributing history books while doing so. They love to self-promote — it's the hallmark of people with deep insecurities.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 93d
As long as you have someone else to blame, right?
I_Clean_Here@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 94d
NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social · 28 pts · 95d
If they don't need 'em, you don't need 'em. Ransack this official's house.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 94d
You first
Hupf@feddit.org · 24 pts · 94d
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 21 pts · 94d
Trying to follow tweets of tumbles of instas gives me a fucking aneurysm
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 20 pts · 94d
Literally worse than the Taliban...
shweddy@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 95d
Colonizers and Nazis: trust me bro you're clean
Phantaloons@piefed.zip · 12 pts · 94d
Americans: "Not my last straw."
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 93d
For a while now, I've been thinking of a game idea with a future US dystopian setting... and even there the detainees would have beds, brushes, and other basic necessities.
myrrh@ttrpg.network · 1 pts · 93d
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 95d
Well, at least one of those is CIA, so yes, America did supply soap n toothpaste...just likely on a budget that never gets reviewed by elected officials
MeThisGuy@feddit.nl · -20 pts · 95d
which one is more?
Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca · 49 pts · 95d
977 days is more than 7 months, so Somali pirates' humanity has been tested more vigorously than the Taliban's.
Both exceeded America's humanity immediately.
MeThisGuy@feddit.nl · -22 pts · 95d
with or without daylight savings time?
and how many timezones are we talking about?
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 6 pts · 94d
Oh ho! How humorous...
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 95d
Your comment is — that is, if you mean "which one is more vague?" You might actually get a more useful answer than this one if you were just a smidge more specific.
MeThisGuy@feddit.nl · -24 pts · 95d
let me spell of out for you:
which one is more.. 977 days or 7 months?
honest question
incompetent@programming.dev · 22 pts · 95d
You honestly didn't know that there are 365 days in a year?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 95d
977 days is about 2 years 8 months, so it's much longer than 7 months which is about 210 days
Azteh@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 95d
Depending on what months, 7 months is somewhere between 212 days to 215 days. 977 days is more than 7 months