cross-posted from: https://lemmy.bestiver.se/post/1130957
Corporations can vote in some Delaware elections, judge says
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/esg/corporations-have-the-right-to-vote-in-delaware-town-judge-says
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/esg/corporations-have-the-right-to-vote-in-delaware-town-judge-says
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.bestiver.se/post/1130957
48 Comments
AyuTsukasa@lemmy.zip · 129 pts · 68d
What the fuck are we doing Delaware?
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 84 pts · 68d
Delaware itself is just a shell corporation, tbh
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 68d
Delaware, Inc.
A Delaware Corporation
Corvidae@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 68d
Zappa said something like, "They've moved the tables and chairs out of the way and pulled the curtains back so we can see the brick wall at the back of the theater.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 9 pts · 68d
Zappa was libertarian, iirc, but that was when the word hadn't been bastardized, yet.
MsPenguinette@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 68d
Grifting for tax dollars. They are cucks for businesses. There are less people than businesses and the state government knows what side their bread is buttered on
School_Lunch@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 68d
How? Wouldn't they have to go through a voter registration process that requires a voter id and ss#, and who casts the vote? The CEO or someone selected from the board?.. and couldn't some rich asshole just start a whole bunch of corporations to give themselves as many votes as they want? This blatantly goes against the one person one vote principle.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 68d
Here's a fun way to fast track this descent into corporate hell: one vote per share.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 68d
I am going to incorporate a new company and issue eleventy billion shares to myself
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 68d
New rule: incorporating now costs $100,000 per share. Pre-existing corporation are exempt from this fee, of course.
Tinks@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 68d
The wild thing is that because of Delaware's tax laws, a LOT of businesses are registered in that state. This is honestly bonkers to me.
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 68d
No no no, those rules are for people. Silly peasant. Corporate people don’t have to do those silly things
njm1314@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 68d
If companies can vote, have free speech rights, and are people then why is it legal for one company to own another? Isn't that slavery?
Seaguy05@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 68d
I also never see companies go to jail.
yakko@feddit.uk · 10 pts · 68d
Bold of you to assume slavery is illegal in America. Every "prisoner witha job" in a for-profit prison is a victim of the 13th amendment.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 68d
That assumes a corporation can be convicted of a crime.
njm1314@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 68d
Bold of you to make the same exact comment made on Lemmy every single time slavery is mentioned.
yakko@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 68d
Absolutely fair lmao, I was braindead and cranky at the time.
frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io · 36 pts · 68d
How can you vote as an individual and corporate entity? Could one not just incorporate hundreds of companies just to annihilate other voters?
henfredemars@infosec.pub · 26 pts · 68d
There are more businesses than people in Delaware. The registered businesses outnumber the population 2:1.
This blatantly renders human voters meaningless without businesses to back your opinion.
WesternInfidels@feddit.online · 30 pts · 68d
This is "no harm no foul," except it's a judge and he's actually making this argument seriously.
"Persons" don't vote. Citizens do.
IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 68d
Just to drive that home, here are the voting requirements from the Delaware Dept. of Elections:
You may register to vote in Delaware if you:
I don't see how any of the listed entities could meet those criteria.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 68d
Simple, they just won't bother. They will vote and take everyone to court. That's the point.
IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 68d
Kind of difficult to vote if you aren't registered, despite what Republicans would have you believe.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 68d
Some corporations are over 18 years of age, so no problem there. And we already know that they're citizens, while the plebian inhabitants of the country are merely consumers. So it all works out.
IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 67d
If you're referring to the Citizens United ruling, you should know that it did not establish that corporations are citizens, at all. It simply allowed that money spent by corporations on political candidates is a form of free speech, and it got rid of a bunch of limits on political spending. Which is certainly bad enough, but it in no way paves the way for a company to be a citizen or have a vote.
Archer@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 68d
Oooh, this means we can denaturalize and deport corporations now!
Typotyper@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 68d
Most left for tax havens years ago
frongt@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 68d
As people have been saying for years, I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 27 pts · 68d
“A novel ruling,” Christ almighty.
This is how you get people to bring back dragging someone into the street and horsewhipping them. I’m not advocating it, it’s just the natural response some people are going to have to being told corporations get to vote in a state with more corporations than people.
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 68d
But you can invent entities overnight and without limit. These corpos gotta wait 18 years to vote?
Sludgehammer@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 68d
So... if I own a company and spin off... oh, lets say a million shell corporations, have I generated a million voters?
phailhaus@piefed.social · 14 pts · 68d
The logic of free speech applying to corporations is that they are an extension of their operators, making restrictions to them effectively restrictions on the operators.
This is way more wild. This gives corporations people-rights distinct from their operators.
chahn.chris@piefed.social · 14 pts · 68d
So if you’re a CEO you get two votes?
This is what this seems like to me…
limonfiesta@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 68d
No, if you're a CEO you get as many votes as you can set up shell corporations for.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 68d
Why go through all the trouble of simulating that you have a Democracy by having Money sponsoring politicians in a system where only a few politicians can de facto be elected, when you can have Money just directly vote?!
Seems a lot more efficient if you remove intermediary steps and middlemen.
Also removing all the smoke & mirrors is a lot more honest.
I am actually surprised they've become so open about the system being an Oligarchy rather than a Democracy.
this@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 68d
If companies can vote, they should be subject to the death penalty like everyone else.
dispassionate@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 68d
Maeve@kbin.earth · 1 pts · 68d
regedit@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 68d
Ok, and if they're people then we can apply legal ramifications to them, right? Right?!?!
hateisreality@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 68d
So let me get this straight... Corporations have the right to vote all the while the government is trying to purge registered voters from the polls? How long until the fucking corporations end up with multiple votes due to size?
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 66d
brewery@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 66d
Ah, taking a play out of the ol' "City Of London" book!
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 66d
What the fuck‽ This needs to be banned immediately
Also this is super easy to game
masterofn001@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 68d
How does a corporation aquire the necessary citizenship to vote?
Fribbizz@feddit.org · 1 pts · 67d
That's fine, as long as the corporation does so without the aid of any other entity.
zwerg@feddit.org · 0 pts · 68d
Its not a new idea: the City of London in the U.K. has had one MP chosen by the businesses there since the mid 13th century*. There are businesses with offices there just so they can influence the result.
** Some would say the Norman conquest. The city certainly had special privileges then, but parliament didn't exist in a recognisable form until Magna Carta.
Trigger2_2000@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 67d
Tell me more; references?
zwerg@feddit.org · 2 pts · 66d
I can't find a great reference, but Wikipedia's page is a good start. Long story short, William the Conqueror never conquered the city of London. After a lengthy seige, they came to an agreement that involved them accepting him as king in return for certain special privileges.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 68d
And given most C-suite consult LLMs heavily, we're now on the slope to where robot overlords run the show.
Would it be best? Debatably not. Would it be better than Trump? Of course.