Corporations can vote in some Delaware elections, judge says

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/esg/corporations-have-the-right-to-vote-in-delaware-town-judge-says

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.bestiver.se/post/1130957

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AyuTsukasa@lemmy.zip · 129 pts · 68d (5 replies)

What the fuck are we doing Delaware?

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 84 pts · 68d (1 reply)

Delaware itself is just a shell corporation, tbh

hperrin@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 68d

Delaware, Inc.

A Delaware Corporation

Corvidae@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 68d (1 reply)

Zappa said something like, "They've moved the tables and chairs out of the way and pulled the curtains back so we can see the brick wall at the back of the theater.

Maeve@kbin.earth · 9 pts · 68d

Zappa was libertarian, iirc, but that was when the word hadn't been bastardized, yet.

MsPenguinette@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 68d

Grifting for tax dollars. They are cucks for businesses. There are less people than businesses and the state government knows what side their bread is buttered on

School_Lunch@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 68d (5 replies)

How? Wouldn't they have to go through a voter registration process that requires a voter id and ss#, and who casts the vote? The CEO or someone selected from the board?.. and couldn't some rich asshole just start a whole bunch of corporations to give themselves as many votes as they want? This blatantly goes against the one person one vote principle.

IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 68d (2 replies)

Here's a fun way to fast track this descent into corporate hell: one vote per share.

empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 68d (1 reply)

I am going to incorporate a new company and issue eleventy billion shares to myself

IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 68d

New rule: incorporating now costs $100,000 per share. Pre-existing corporation are exempt from this fee, of course.

Tinks@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 68d

The wild thing is that because of Delaware's tax laws, a LOT of businesses are registered in that state. This is honestly bonkers to me.

CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 68d

No no no, those rules are for people. Silly peasant. Corporate people don’t have to do those silly things

njm1314@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 68d (5 replies)

If companies can vote, have free speech rights, and are people then why is it legal for one company to own another? Isn't that slavery?

Seaguy05@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 68d

I also never see companies go to jail.

yakko@feddit.uk · 10 pts · 68d (3 replies)

Bold of you to assume slavery is illegal in America. Every "prisoner witha job" in a for-profit prison is a victim of the 13th amendment.

agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 68d

That assumes a corporation can be convicted of a crime.

njm1314@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 68d (1 reply)

Bold of you to make the same exact comment made on Lemmy every single time slavery is mentioned.

yakko@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 68d

Absolutely fair lmao, I was braindead and cranky at the time.

frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io · 36 pts · 68d (1 reply)

How can you vote as an individual and corporate entity? Could one not just incorporate hundreds of companies just to annihilate other voters?

henfredemars@infosec.pub · 26 pts · 68d

There are more businesses than people in Delaware. The registered businesses outnumber the population 2:1.

This blatantly renders human voters meaningless without businesses to back your opinion.

WesternInfidels@feddit.online · 30 pts · 68d (7 replies)

The lawsuit [doesn't] show “that entity property owners vote sufficiently as a bloc to usually defeat the preferred candidates of natural persons...”

This is "no harm no foul," except it's a judge and he's actually making this argument seriously.

"Persons" don't vote. Citizens do.

IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 68d (4 replies)

Just to drive that home, here are the voting requirements from the Delaware Dept. of Elections:

You may register to vote in Delaware if you:

  • Are a citizen of the United States; AND
  • Are a resident of Delaware (Delaware is your home); AND
  • Will be 18 years old on or before the date of the next General Election.

I don't see how any of the listed entities could meet those criteria.

HasturInYellow@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 68d (1 reply)

Simple, they just won't bother. They will vote and take everyone to court. That's the point.

IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 68d

Kind of difficult to vote if you aren't registered, despite what Republicans would have you believe.

AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 68d (1 reply)

Some corporations are over 18 years of age, so no problem there. And we already know that they're citizens, while the plebian inhabitants of the country are merely consumers. So it all works out.

IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 67d

If you're referring to the Citizens United ruling, you should know that it did not establish that corporations are citizens, at all. It simply allowed that money spent by corporations on political candidates is a form of free speech, and it got rid of a bunch of limits on political spending. Which is certainly bad enough, but it in no way paves the way for a company to be a citizen or have a vote.

Archer@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 68d (1 reply)

Oooh, this means we can denaturalize and deport corporations now!

Typotyper@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 68d

Most left for tax havens years ago

frongt@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 68d

As people have been saying for years, I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 27 pts · 68d (1 reply)

“A novel ruling,” Christ almighty.

Karsnitz dismissed the lawsuit from Delaware’s Superior Court, citing “the principle of one person/entity/one vote.”

This is how you get people to bring back dragging someone into the street and horsewhipping them. I’m not advocating it, it’s just the natural response some people are going to have to being told corporations get to vote in a state with more corporations than people.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 68d

But you can invent entities overnight and without limit. These corpos gotta wait 18 years to vote?

Sludgehammer@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 68d

So... if I own a company and spin off... oh, lets say a million shell corporations, have I generated a million voters?

phailhaus@piefed.social · 14 pts · 68d

The logic of free speech applying to corporations is that they are an extension of their operators, making restrictions to them effectively restrictions on the operators.

This is way more wild. This gives corporations people-rights distinct from their operators.

chahn.chris@piefed.social · 14 pts · 68d (1 reply)

So if you’re a CEO you get two votes?

This is what this seems like to me…

limonfiesta@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 68d

No, if you're a CEO you get as many votes as you can set up shell corporations for.

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 68d

Why go through all the trouble of simulating that you have a Democracy by having Money sponsoring politicians in a system where only a few politicians can de facto be elected, when you can have Money just directly vote?!

Seems a lot more efficient if you remove intermediary steps and middlemen.

Also removing all the smoke & mirrors is a lot more honest.

I am actually surprised they've become so open about the system being an Oligarchy rather than a Democracy.

this@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 68d

If companies can vote, they should be subject to the death penalty like everyone else.

dispassionate@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 68d (1 reply)
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Maeve@kbin.earth · 1 pts · 68d

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regedit@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 68d

Ok, and if they're people then we can apply legal ramifications to them, right? Right?!?!

hateisreality@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 68d

So let me get this straight... Corporations have the right to vote all the while the government is trying to purge registered voters from the polls? How long until the fucking corporations end up with multiple votes due to size?

betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 66d
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brewery@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 66d

Ah, taking a play out of the ol' "City Of London" book!

captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 66d

What the fuck‽ This needs to be banned immediately

Also this is super easy to game

masterofn001@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 68d

How does a corporation aquire the necessary citizenship to vote?

Fribbizz@feddit.org · 1 pts · 67d

That's fine, as long as the corporation does so without the aid of any other entity.

zwerg@feddit.org · 0 pts · 68d (2 replies)

Its not a new idea: the City of London in the U.K. has had one MP chosen by the businesses there since the mid 13th century*. There are businesses with offices there just so they can influence the result.

** Some would say the Norman conquest. The city certainly had special privileges then, but parliament didn't exist in a recognisable form until Magna Carta.

Trigger2_2000@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 67d (1 reply)

Tell me more; references?

zwerg@feddit.org · 2 pts · 66d

I can't find a great reference, but Wikipedia's page is a good start. Long story short, William the Conqueror never conquered the city of London. After a lengthy seige, they came to an agreement that involved them accepting him as king in return for certain special privileges.

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 68d

And given most C-suite consult LLMs heavily, we're now on the slope to where robot overlords run the show.

Would it be best? Debatably not. Would it be better than Trump? Of course.