Ummm. Wouldn't that also kill the baby?

When was the last time someone checked the lead levels in the drinking water in North Carolina?

Inb4 this is clearly an excuse for men to murder their pregnant partners and wipe it away as “she was trying to get an abortion” so he can get off scot-free as dead women can’t say anything to defend themselves.

Ah yes, defending an unborn child by checks notes murdering the person carrying the child and therefore also the child

Okay, aside from the obvious "that would also kill the fetus," that's also some really dangerous wording...

states it would be permissible for a person to use deadly force on a woman they believe is seeking an abortion,

"permissible" implies there would be no accountability

"a person" implies that anyone would be permitted to do it

"use deadly force" implies that they can literally murder pregnant mothers

"on a woman they believe is seeking an abortion" implies that they don't need any solid evidence; only the mere belief is enough.

Put it all together, and this bill would give any person in the state free license to murder any pregnant woman, or potentially any woman, for any reason, as long as they claim that they believed she was seeking an abortion.

If anyone needs me to explain why that's bad, then they might be suffering from some sort of brain damage or other cognitive impairment.

Only in a fascist hellscape could a bill like this become law.

Nothing says that your pro-life like murdering people.

'The unborn' are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don't resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don't ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don't bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn." [Methodist Pastor David Barnhart]

Wait wait wait. Let me make sure I understand. In order to save the fetus you would kill the only entity capable of keeping it alive?

Just waiting for a Jewish legal group to sue for breaching freedom of religion protections. The life of the mother takes precedence.

An unborn fetus in Jewish law is not considered a person until it has been born. The fetus is regarded as a part of the mother’s body and not a separate being until it begins to egress from the womb during parturition (childbirth). In fact, until 40 days after conception, the fertilized egg is considered as “mere fluid.” These facts form the basis for the Jewish legal view on abortion.

Let's do a little transitive property game.

The bill presupposes that there is an absolute moral duty to protect the unborn.

A theoretical woman is considering an abortion, so it must therefore be okay to murder her.

Therefore, it is okay to murder someone to protect an unborn person.

This bill would make it okay to murder women to protect the unborn.

But that would kill the unborn!

So, it must therefore be okay to kill in order to prevent this bill from passing.

So by this bill's own logic, it would be morally correct to kill Keith Kidwell.

ALL OF THE ABOVE IS PURELY AN EXERCISE IN ARGUMENTUM AD ABSURDUM AND NOT AN ACTUAL PROPOSAL. DO NOT DO MURDERS.

How any woman could vote Republican is beyond me.

It's like a black person voting for the KKK

Like wtf is wrong with you?

Why not just call yourself anti-abortion instead of pro-life? You aren’t doing anything to prevent a death here.

Shut up you ugly fucks

Oh you mean all the things we said would happen weren't just hysteria after all?

So to defend the life of an unborn baby they're going to make it legal to kill the mother carrying it? What the actual fuck do they think would happen to the unborn baby in that scenario? Dumb beyond belief doesn't even come close to describing this and is a prime example why religion should be absolutely nowhere near law making.

• a woman is going to have an abortion
• someone goes after her to kill her
• someone else goes after the person above to kill them, protecting the woman
• repeat as many times as you wish

Cherry on top: this gets into court, and judge goes "it's all woman's fault, jail her for life"

It's going to be legal to murder women in North Carolina?

so how long before people start spreading rumors to encourage stochastic violence? "I heard the governor's daughter is going out of state to get an abortion in Maryland."

GOP policy is a deadly force

Abusers do love killing pregnant women.

https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/homicide-leading-cause-of-death-for-pregnant-women-in-u-s/

They sure moved past the whole "we don't want to punish the people seeking abortions" excuse right quick, thanks SCOTUS. You've enabled justifiable homicide for abortion, which not only kills the mother but also the fetus for good measure.

I'm old enough to remember all these assholes gaslighting about how rolling back Roe won't "really" bring about Gilead states.

I had at least one poster trying to get me banned from Denver Post forums for saying it, by the way. Apparently they found the comparison to Gilead to be hurtful and against community guidelines and not sufficiently milquetoast or whatever. Gotta love the Tone Police.

We did it, Patrick! We saved that unborn child!

I for one think it's pretty ironic to stop unwanted pregnancies from being terminated by ordering law enforcement to carry out 153rd trimester abortions upon the doctors...

Pro-life, amiright?

wildly extreme

Uhhh. I mean. They're not wrong per se... 😅

He's advocating murdering pregnant women; wildly extreme doesnt quite seem to cover it

Is it cool if we stop posting shit from Newsweek?

Yes, the bill is real, but I almost completely disregarded this as ragebait, which it likely still is on OPs part.

Newsweek is not news, it is a notoriously inaccurate tabloid.

The only moral abortion is the one that they perform

So "pro life" they'll kill you over it.

Text of the bill:

Subject to approval by a majority of voters during the 2026 general election, adds new Section 39 to Article I of the North Carolina Constitution as follows. Specifies that human life begins at fertilization. Recognizes a new human life as an individual person, entitled to the protection of the laws of this State from the moment of fertilization until the moment of natural death. Holds persons willfully seeking to destroy the life of another, at any stage of life, or who succeeds in doing so, accountable for first-degree murder, or attempted murder. Specifies that any person has the right to defend the life of themselves or another, even by use of deadly force if necessary, from willful destruction by another person. Specifies that the State has an  interest and a duty to defend innocent persons from willful destruction of their lives and to punish those who take the lives of persons, born or unborn, who have not committed any crime punishable by death. If approved, effective January 1, 2027.

The only psycho backing this bill is Keith Kidwell who represents the tiny coastal district 79.

https://www.ncleg.gov/Members/Biography/H/749

We're going to MURDER PREGNANT WOMEN to Save Unborn Babies!

-Republicans LITERALLY!

How about a bill urging deadly force for rapists? Deadly force for congressional insider trading? Deadly force for using deadly force without an act of congress? Deadly force for fraud? Deadly force for accepting "gifts" while in office? Deadly force for ignoring congressional subpoenas? Deadly force for using the justice dept to harass rape victims? Deadly force for using office to make billions? Deadly force for hiring your own kids and placing them in office?

Let's kill the mothers, that'll save the children.

Makes perfect sense.

How about lethal force to protect women who are seeking out medical services from places such as Planned Parenthood? These anti-choice motherfuckers need to fuck all the way off.

I asked the "Ask Conservatives" subreddit if they thought murdering a doctor about yo perform an abortion would be a just killing. I guess I have my answer.

use deady force on a woman to stop an abortion

Do... Eh. Do these people understand how life works, and that ending the mothers life would surely stop the abortion, but also kill the fetus? Like, do I need to explain this?

Talking about throwing out the baby with the bathwater

They do understand killing the mother kills the fetus too right?

You remember how they were looking up taking braindead women and using their bodies as human incubators? Seems kinda related

I hope that every moderate politician across the state loudly proclaims this is obvious evidence that the GOP's core value is not protecting life but punishing "promiscuous" women who dare to have sex for any reason other than procreation.

This is the same party that is lamenting the country's birth rate, by the way. They aren't even pretending to care about women any more.

So isn't that also an abortion?

Those democrats and their “branding” JFC

Witnessing literally (what should be) lethal levels of irony.