This is hypothetical - the glasses don't fact-check what people say, they somehow detect willful deception, like people expect polygraphs to do, but with high accuracy. Would people welcome these, fear them, object on privacy grounds? I think it would be very contentious. Would people feel different if they only fed the information to the wearer but didn't record or send it anywhere? What exactly would the issues be?
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Flaqueman@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 67d
Politicians would very quickly ban the thing "for our own security"
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 67d
Can definitely see that happening.
CannonFodder@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
But we already know politicians are lying and they still win elections,
evilcultist@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 67d
Can’t speak for anyone else, but every other word out of my mouth in the presence of these glasses would be an intentional lie.
snooggums@piefed.world · 8 pts · 67d
I would start being overly honest and forthcoming about things I don't currently bring up because doing so isn't polite. Wouldn't want to lie by omission!
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 67d
Anarchy in the streets immediately. Imagine how many romantic, professional and social relationships would be tested right away.
TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website · 5 pts · 67d
Politicians
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 67d
That's what I was thinking with the social aspect.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 67d
Politics would make them illegal so fast, your head would spin.
Iconoclast@feddit.uk · 11 pts · 67d
I read a book around 10 years ago that convinced me that lying is almost never justifiable even when it comes to white lies and I've pretty much not ever lied since. And I'm not talking about radical honesty - not lying means not saying things that you know to be untrue, not that I always tell everything that's on my mind.
Few observations that have came from this experiment:
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 67d
share?
I strive for honestly in almost all things. I have a few relationships where honesty doesn't really work unless I want them to become very stressed out - innocuous inquiries like 'how are things?' <surveys the hellscape of our national politics/ society / ai etc.> they're dealing with dementia already, I can't be honest in these kinds of interactions.
Iconoclast@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 67d
Lying by Sam Harris
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 66d
TY!
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 67d
I agree with these points, but you should talk to the other person here who said without lies civilization would collapse in a couple minutes. Quite the spectrum of beliefs.
Iconoclast@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 67d
I don't necessarily disagree with them. There are people who have built their entire work and social life on lies. Pulling that rug out from under them at this point would cause it all to spectacularly collapse.
However, if everyone's lies were suddenly exposed, hardly anyone would have any ground to stand on from which to criticize others - people would discover that everyone is full of shit.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 63d
Yes, to me it seems like that would create interesting social changes that I don't think are easy to predict. Sales and marketing might become more straightforward and fact-based, with less building up of expectations that aren't real, and less waving of monkey puppets. Conversational behavior could also change - "I don't want to talk about that" might become a common euphemism for "the truth is uncomfortable and I know you can tell if I'm lying so let's not go there."
Deestan@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 67d
I am trying to tag along with the thought experiment, but I can only imagine it being yet another tech bro scam. Elon Musk will sell Grok lie detector glasses that just fucking guesses, but the press will just keep copy-pasting deceitful press releases until half the people I meet believe the glasses do detect lies.
Many will then start using them in private resulting in both extreme frustration when they hallucinate lies, and unprecedented fashtech surveillance.
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 66d
Not to poo on the premise, but nobody would believe it reliable
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 63d
Perfectly valid - I'm interested in how people think the public would react.
farmgineer@nord.pub · 6 pts · 67d
A lot of broken relationships followed by relief years later, assuming near-universal adoption; if everyone were just honest, it would stop a lot of issues. Abusers, gaslighters, sociopaths, etc. would presumably hate the whole experience.
fraksken@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 66d
Half the politicians without a job ... Prepare for a record unemployment 😁
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 63d
Probably not - for example, out of the half million or so elected officials in the US, only a couple thousand are full-time politicians with no other job. And even if all of them got kicked out of office the jobs would still exist and would go to other people.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 4 pts · 67d
That would be the reasonable thing to do.
Iconoclast@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 67d
Even then lying is usually unecessary. Refusing to give out information isn't lying. The only situation in which I could make the case for lying is if refusing to answer reveals the truth.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 1 pts · 67d
Most people find lying absolutely neccessary in daily life.
Some do not like to admit that, for example in Usa is it culturally very overestimated.
Iconoclast@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 67d
Sure. Telling the truth in a world full of liars is definitely not convenient. It comes with a personal cost, but that's the nature of living a principled life. Personally, I'd rather be disliked for who I am than liked for who I'm not.
BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social · 4 pts · 67d
Might be a problem with narcissists who believe their own lies?
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
True, if it's designed to detect deceit it won't detect self-delusion.
Zonetrooper@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 67d
People would very, very quickly start to rationalize why the detection couldn't possibly be right. Look at how many scientifically or historically proven things people already are willing to disregard because it conflicts with their worldview or beliefs!
So they detect "willful" deception? People would just fall back on the "...well, I didn't know" / "didn't think XYZ counted" / "didn't consider ABC" as their excuses. Or if it can be shown that 0.00-near-infinite-zeros-01% of the population has some quirk which makes them detect wrongly, suddenly there'd be most of the population claiming that.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 67d
To sum that up, are you saying people would find reasons to disbelieve that their heroes and icons are lying? I was thinking more along the lines of personal contact - everyday conversations, business deals, etc.
Zonetrooper@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 67d
Yep. Their heroes, icons, leaders, family... and themselves.
Hell, they'd disbelieve if the glasses detected someone was telling the truth, but they didn't want to believe that!
Hackworth@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 67d
If I look in a mirror, will they detect when I'm lying to myself? Take my money.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 67d
Only if you're doing it on purpose.
Libb@piefed.social · 2 pts · 67d
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 67d
Lawyers would be fucked.
ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 67d
It’s devastating to my case!
chunes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 67d
It would destroy civilization instantly, since it relies on lies all the way down.
yesman@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 67d
This technology is a fantasy. It relies on the false assumption that their are detectable, reliable, and measurable physiological differences between bodies that are lying and bodies that are telling the truth.
Polygraphs aren't unreliable because the technology isn't ready. They're unreliable because the idea that you can physically measure a concept (lying) is logical fallacy. (reification).
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 67d
Do you know what a thought experiment is
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 67d
Yeah you're not understanding what "hypothetical" means - it means suppose this happens, not asking if it can. Like if I asked how FTL space travel would change our culture, it's the culture part I'm interested in, not the physics being impossible.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social · 1 pts · 67d
Technically, shouldn't the fact that brain activity ultimately has a physical basis (various chemical and electrical signals moving around and such) imply that, if a person lying knows they're lying, there should be some physical difference between that brain and the brain of an otherwise identical individual saying the same thing, but believing it to be true? Measuring that and interpreting the data might be an impractically difficult problem to solve, sure, but if there truly were no physical difference, that would have to imply that at some level, thinking is a supernatural process that at least partly occurs outside the physical universe, which is both something no evidence exists for, and would seem in contradiction to things we do observe, like how damage to the brain changes and impairs a person's thinking