edit: I clarified this in a comment below, but for voter-initiated ballot initiatives I only meant for passing new legislation (21 states). If you also count state constitutional amendments and vetoing legislation then there are 26 states.
30 some states have voter sponsored ballot initiatives, most are constitutional amendments, a few are just statutory, I've never heard of recalling a legislature with that process, which takes over a year to make happen, from getting signatures from voters, getting those validated, having electoral commissions ok the vote, then waiting for the actual vote.
the link I posted says 26 states have voter-initiated ballot measures, but 5 of those 26 only allow for constitutional amendments or vetoing statutes, not writing new statutes which I should have been more clear is what I was referring to.
It appears you are correct, I had read 30 some, but all enshitified search is giving me is 26, as is now the case, all sources provided are citing the same statitstic it appears, the sources being machine written by and large.
It islikely not incorrect in this case, just saying, search sucks now, I know it can work better, because it did. Google eats bags of diseased geriatric flacid dicks. It's gross. Like, if you want to eat bags of dicks, they could do better. But I digress.
The Mississippi one is crazy. I voted in that ballot initiative when I lived there. It was for medical marijuana with very lax laws. But then the mayor of the richest county in the state took it to court. The ballot initiative even got the required votes in all the old districts too, planning for this, but the Supreme Court of MS is as dumb as a bag of rocks. Did the state repeal the voter ID law or the new flag that were both passed the same way? Hell no!
Indictiments will come down on dem frontrunners around fall 2027 or thereabouts I figured. False election rigging and or whatever else they can come up with.
Pretty easy to frame someone else for cheating while you're cheating. Not sure how this didn't occur to me until now as an option for midterms. Attribution is famously bullshit in cyber like economics in math or chiropractics in medicine.
I’m not sure declaring his enemies in a constitutionally separate branch of government as “fired” counts as a high crime or misdemeanor, but if he tries to falsely imprison them or impede their official duties it sure is.
That's the fun part. Congress decides what high crimes and misdemeanors are. If they want to, they can impeach and remove him for picking his nose. Anything they can get enough votes for will count.
I mean at this point the Republican reps allowing this to continue are actively engaged in this treason. They’ll need to be held just as culpable as the admin.
I can just see him laying on the floor of the Oval Office, pounding his little fists and kicking his little feet and crying, "But I want to expeeeeeeeeeeel him!!"
But he can't - esp. not across party lines. Last time I looked the US government still called itself democratic.
But it's becoming the normal way of doing politics over there? At least for his constituency I guess. They really believe POTUS should have the right to do this Expelling. It not being possible then becomes an example of how the other side "weaponizes" the law.
I like that "deranged" is now a standard adjective in most any Trump article.
Trump can legally kill people. Literally. He can point a gun in 5th Avenue and shoot someone and New York Court, SCOTUS, and his base, will all let him.
We cannot make arguments as if laws apply to this man because they simply don't.
So when he says words like "expel", we need to understand that he will try everything in his power, including things that are illegal to normal people like you and me, to accomplish his will.
Have you noticed that most headlines about something ridiculous Trump says (which is everything Trump says) put his actual words in quotes? That's because the words he uses don't mean anything in the real world. Trump can't "expel" representatives.
Trump doesn't know, or care, what the laws actually say. He just says what he wants to happen and hopes that it will magically happen. Or, occasionally, he will illegally use an arm of the executive branch to try to make one of these things happen.
I appreciate the press calling these out, to the extent of the quotes, but it would be nice if they would provide a little more context. Something like:
Trump Wants to "Expel" Representatives Who Threaten to Impeach Him But He Can't
We don’t know if he can’t until he tries or really until he’s out of office and can’t keep trying. If I had a nickel for everything the Dems told me Trump couldn’t do that he did I would have enough of bribe them to support universal healthcare.
53 Comments
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca · 93 pts · 73d
The stupidity is not that Trump wants to do this
The stupidity is that behaviour like this has been normalized by the American public and American leadership
They're all taking steps to degrading and destroying themselves and no one ever wants to do much to stop it.
baronvonj@piefed.social · 25 pts · 73d
Fewer than half of the US states have recall elections
https://ballotpedia.org/States_where_state_legislators_can_be_recalled
Same for voter-initiated ballot initiatives
https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_initiative_or_referendum
edit: I clarified this in a comment below, but for voter-initiated ballot initiatives I only meant for passing new legislation (21 states). If you also count state constitutional amendments and vetoing legislation then there are 26 states.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 73d
30 some states have voter sponsored ballot initiatives, most are constitutional amendments, a few are just statutory, I've never heard of recalling a legislature with that process, which takes over a year to make happen, from getting signatures from voters, getting those validated, having electoral commissions ok the vote, then waiting for the actual vote.
baronvonj@piefed.social · 4 pts · 73d
the link I posted says 26 states have voter-initiated ballot measures, but 5 of those 26 only allow for constitutional amendments or vetoing statutes, not writing new statutes which I should have been more clear is what I was referring to.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 72d
It appears you are correct, I had read 30 some, but all enshitified search is giving me is 26, as is now the case, all sources provided are citing the same statitstic it appears, the sources being machine written by and large.
It islikely not incorrect in this case, just saying, search sucks now, I know it can work better, because it did. Google eats bags of diseased geriatric flacid dicks. It's gross. Like, if you want to eat bags of dicks, they could do better. But I digress.
Flames5123@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 72d
The Mississippi one is crazy. I voted in that ballot initiative when I lived there. It was for medical marijuana with very lax laws. But then the mayor of the richest county in the state took it to court. The ballot initiative even got the required votes in all the old districts too, planning for this, but the Supreme Court of MS is as dumb as a bag of rocks. Did the state repeal the voter ID law or the new flag that were both passed the same way? Hell no!
So glad I left that ass-backwards state.
Arancello@aussie.zone · 13 pts · 73d
… “won’t someone rid me of this damn
priestor politicianMaiq@piefed.social · 65 pts · 73d
Impeach that fascist fuck!
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 73d
High velocity impeachment.
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 73d
Acute lead poisoning
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 72d
Luigi's Mansion could use more ghosts.
notso@feddit.org · 9 pts · 73d
with extreme prejudice
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 73d
It's easy to laugh at his stupidity and tantrums
People should be concerned about his tame DOJ and other jurisdictions falsifying charges against those who he hates
If I were a gambling man, I would wager that there will be arrests before too long
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 73d
Indictiments will come down on dem frontrunners around fall 2027 or thereabouts I figured. False election rigging and or whatever else they can come up with.
redsand@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 72d
Pretty easy to frame someone else for cheating while you're cheating. Not sure how this didn't occur to me until now as an option for midterms. Attribution is famously bullshit in cyber like economics in math or chiropractics in medicine.
F.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 73d
How your wagers doing since 2016
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 73d
I'm so sick of being right about things
It's fucking depressing
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 73d
I haven't seen anyone talking down on fisting, lately, the last 5 minuets. That's gotta be good for an enthusiast
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 73d
Fingers pointed or clenched is the real question
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 18 pts · 72d
Didn't Hitler do the same thing?
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 72d
This is kinda how Saddam took power
monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 72d
Christopher Hitchens retelling of how Saddam took power is nuts.
https://youtu.be/OynP5pnvWOs
bstix@feddit.dk · 1 pts · 72d
I didn't even know they knew each other.
oppy1984@lemdro.id · 1 pts · 72d
Well with Saddam it was more of an execution, but I get where you're going.
SomethingWentWrong@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 73d
If Trump does (tries to do) that wouldn't it be an impeachable offense?
Blibly@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 73d
Impeachable offense?!? Are you serious? This dude needs to be DEPOSED AND IMPRISONED not impeached.
We are so fucked if people still think this way
baronvonj@piefed.social · 5 pts · 73d
He has to be impeached and removed before he can legally be indicted for anything in order to then be deposed and imprisoned.
danekrae@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 73d
Yes following the law is very important, so republicans will accept it...
Blibly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 73d
Cute
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 73d
Impeachable offense? Just add it to the pile FFS.
More like he'd deserve a firing squad.
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 73d
Add it to the pile. Though the pile is kinda pointless when they aren't impeaching him for any of it.
BonsaiBoo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 73d
I’m not sure declaring his enemies in a constitutionally separate branch of government as “fired” counts as a high crime or misdemeanor, but if he tries to falsely imprison them or impede their official duties it sure is.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 5 pts · 73d
That's the fun part. Congress decides what high crimes and misdemeanors are. If they want to, they can impeach and remove him for picking his nose. Anything they can get enough votes for will count.
A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 72d
He literally got away with insurrection
Steve@startrek.website · 0 pts · 73d
You silly bitch
GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 73d
I mean at this point the Republican reps allowing this to continue are actively engaged in this treason. They’ll need to be held just as culpable as the admin.
turdburglar@piefed.social · 9 pts · 73d
cool. we kinda want to expel you too, fuck knob.
santa@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 73d
That’s not a thing.
WatDabney@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 73d
I can just see him laying on the floor of the Oval Office, pounding his little fists and kicking his little feet and crying, "But I want to expeeeeeeeeeeel him!!"
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 72d
Do it. Seriously. We need something to happen so we can start getting rid of that fat bastard.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 73d
But he can't - esp. not across party lines. Last time I looked the US government still called itself democratic.
But it's becoming the normal way of doing politics over there? At least for his constituency I guess. They really believe POTUS should have the right to do this Expelling. It not being possible then becomes an example of how the other side "weaponizes" the law.
I like that "deranged" is now a standard adjective in most any Trump article.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 73d
We're in fascism times.
Trump can legally kill people. Literally. He can point a gun in 5th Avenue and shoot someone and New York Court, SCOTUS, and his base, will all let him.
We cannot make arguments as if laws apply to this man because they simply don't.
So when he says words like "expel", we need to understand that he will try everything in his power, including things that are illegal to normal people like you and me, to accomplish his will.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 73d
I think that's hyperbole, but yeah, that SCOTUS ruling was and still is pretty horrifying.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 73d
Tell that to the hundreds of dead children at the schools we bombed in Iran.
A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 72d
Why do you guys use the word "we" when it was the government who did the killing?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 73d
Buddy, we are through the looking glass.
He can do pretty much whatever the fuck he wants because nobody is stopping him.
Watch him literally "deport" these people
Leviathan@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 72d
Here's an idea; the world should expel Trump.
Steve@startrek.website · 5 pts · 73d
Expel deez nuts. Pedo.
homes@piefed.world · 4 pts · 73d
Yeah, I’m sure he does, lol
Curious_Canid@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 72d
Have you noticed that most headlines about something ridiculous Trump says (which is everything Trump says) put his actual words in quotes? That's because the words he uses don't mean anything in the real world. Trump can't "expel" representatives.
Trump doesn't know, or care, what the laws actually say. He just says what he wants to happen and hopes that it will magically happen. Or, occasionally, he will illegally use an arm of the executive branch to try to make one of these things happen.
I appreciate the press calling these out, to the extent of the quotes, but it would be nice if they would provide a little more context. Something like:
Trump Wants to "Expel" Representatives Who Threaten to Impeach Him But He Can't
freely1333@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 72d
We don’t know if he can’t until he tries or really until he’s out of office and can’t keep trying. If I had a nickel for everything the Dems told me Trump couldn’t do that he did I would have enough of bribe them to support universal healthcare.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 73d
Is this elementary school?
newton@feddit.online · 1 pts · 73d
And losing the war with Iran ,O dear