Don't forget when they show the whole school the nudes they took of the jocks' girl friends with the spy cameras they hid in the girls dorm, to "hurt the jocks" by devaluing their "property".
I would mention that they did the rape scene classy and all. As classy as being in a fun house and banging someone that you thought was your boyfriend can be......ya know classy for the 80s
If it makes it any better, the victim finds out the dude isn't her boyfriend while they were cuddling afterwards. She seemed unreasonable cool with it. Something along the lines of my jock bf never made me cum before and you did. She ended up dumping the jock and staying with the nerd.......so....yay happy love story ending?
I mean, if anything makes that scene any better is that there's nothing super explicit about it. They position themselves with their clothes on, there's a cut to a different scene, and when they cut back they're already done. Yes, it's rape, but the way people talk about it you'd think it was much more hardcore than it really is.
The thing about Revenge of the Nerds is that there was tons of backlash even when it was new. The sequel barely has any sex in it at all by comparison, it's because the creators caught a fair amount of grief so they had to make Part II a tad more family-friendly (there's still a scene where they all get stoned though lol).
The movies were progressive for their time. I guess for the current times as well. They have questionable scenes, but the Nerds were always very open and supportive of all groups and walks of life. Gay people, people from different countries, people from different walks of life (booger) to include former jocks that changed their ways.
Someone already prepared you for the worst part. There's also a scene where the nerds install hidden cameras into a sorority house to spy on the women getting changed.
Yeah, technically he isn't trans. He's just pretending to be a woman. But it's hard to read the reactions of everyone else, immediately barfing and so on, on reveal not as anything but transphobic. It's also reinforcing the typical trans cliches. So, yeah. Depicted person is not actually trans. Depiction is still transphobic.
It was implied that she (he?) slept with (or at least kissed, as she did with Ace) all those guys, so I always just saw it as homophobic even before knowing anything about transgender stuff.
There's a scene in the beginning of The Hangover where they use the f slur as a joking insult, which hasn't aged well. In fact it's aged so poorly that the scene is used perfectly in Nirvianna the Band the Show the Movie
The Stuntman with Peter O'Toole. Incredible action sequences, great acting, twisty mystery script. 10/10.
Except...
At one point, the hero is angry because he's found out the woman he loves slept with the guy he hates. An older fellow pulls him aside and throws him some wisdom.
"What did you think? She was a virgin? I had a virgin once. She was 14 years old and I had to fly to Guatemala. Cost me $1,000."
You can tell it was a 1980's movie because that stuff was completely ignored for decades.
I mean it's a very dark joke but it's still a joke. The actor didn't actually do that. And those people exist in real life. I hate where we've gotten to a point where mentioning something bad gets interpreted as being in favor of and promoting that thing, because it's not. That's not how comedy works.
The point I was making that when it came out it wasn't considered particularly dark. Think of it this way, in 'Revenge of the Nerds' the heroes were spy camming the sorority and at the time it was considered light hearted and amusing.
According to people I know who saw it when it first came out, it was on the level of him saying that [in 2026] he'd had an affair with a wife's friend. A regrettable peccadillo, not a giant moral failure.
No one in the movie treats him differently after, and it's never mentioned again.
The second feature for RotNerds, if you're making an evening of regrettable comedies, would absolutely have to be Hot Dog: The Movie.
Features David Naughton, the American Werewolf In London, the I'm A Pepper guy, the Makin' It guy, a true icon of the early 1980s.
Also features the line, "Now that's a girl I can take advantage of!" in reference to a girl who has just been handed and drank a large enough sum of mixed liquor to pass out on the floor.
The original Police Academy has a scene where Mahoney hires a prostitute and sneaks her under a podium, where she performs what one might call "surprise fellatio" on Captain Lassard while he gives a speech. Afterwards, Mahoney pops out from under the podium and waves to Lassard, suggesting that he was the one who performed the fellatio. Edgy and hilarious in 1984, but I think most modern audiences would recognize it as sexual assault followed up with a homophobic response. (Although I will say Lassard's response was almost progressive by 80s standards.)
Hamburger: The Motion Picture has a similar oral sex related sexual assault gag as well, where a guy goes down on a girl from under the table. The scene also takes place in a Chinese restaurant with, you know, one of those menus with the racist jokes. (The movie itself is still pretty funny, though.)
In terms of rape in movies, though, there's one in particular in Saturday Night Fever, of all things. For the most part, it's a classic movie, but there's a scene where the protagonist's friends all gang rape one of their other friends for reasons that are not really clear, and afterwards John Travolta's character tells her she deserved it, and yeah, just an awful scene that, I don't know, maybe it made sense in 1977 but it aged poorly very fast. Saturday Night Fever is very culturally relevant, it's the movie that made disco a mainstream phenomenon in the US, but that one scene is fucked up.
While the overall message and story are probably fine still, the language and delivery has certainly aged poorly. Not even getting into Brooks himself.
I still absolutely love the movie, but it's the first thing that comes to mind when someone talks about "they couldn't make a movie like that today".
That's like saying Tropic Thunder aged poorly, the point of the racism is to mock it. Which for the time I think blazing saddles was pretty progressive in that regard.
Which is exactly why I said the language and the message were fine? The language definitely isn't something that is acceptable in movies today, even in mocking. And I would say the same thing about Tropic Thunder, though not to the same degree.
53 Comments
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 31 pts · 51d
Revenge of the nerds. A rape by deception is considered a major victory over the bad guys.
JTode@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 51d
Came to make sure this was represented, have an upvote.
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 50d
Don't forget when they show the whole school the nudes they took of the jocks' girl friends with the spy cameras they hid in the girls dorm, to "hurt the jocks" by devaluing their "property".
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 50d
Yeah that movie is problematic in a variety of ways
ClipperDefiance@piefed.social · 23 pts · 52d
I've never seen it myself, but from what I've been told Revenge of the Nerds is the definition of this.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 51d
Yeah, but it still manages to be watchable because the cast was great, and the underlying story resonates. You just have to put blinders on lol
Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 52d
I've never seen it. Might be time to dive in.
Notyou@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 52d
I would mention that they did the rape scene classy and all. As classy as being in a fun house and banging someone that you thought was your boyfriend can be......ya know classy for the 80s
tomiant@piefed.social · 5 pts · 51d
Rape scene in a frat house? Is this a documentary?
Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 51d
Oh, wow. That is a bit rancid.
Notyou@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 50d
If it makes it any better, the victim finds out the dude isn't her boyfriend while they were cuddling afterwards. She seemed unreasonable cool with it. Something along the lines of my jock bf never made me cum before and you did. She ended up dumping the jock and staying with the nerd.......so....yay happy love story ending?
EddieEpoxy@piefed.social · 2 pts · 50d
I mean, if anything makes that scene any better is that there's nothing super explicit about it. They position themselves with their clothes on, there's a cut to a different scene, and when they cut back they're already done. Yes, it's rape, but the way people talk about it you'd think it was much more hardcore than it really is.
The thing about Revenge of the Nerds is that there was tons of backlash even when it was new. The sequel barely has any sex in it at all by comparison, it's because the creators caught a fair amount of grief so they had to make Part II a tad more family-friendly (there's still a scene where they all get stoned though lol).
Notyou@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 50d
The movies were progressive for their time. I guess for the current times as well. They have questionable scenes, but the Nerds were always very open and supportive of all groups and walks of life. Gay people, people from different countries, people from different walks of life (booger) to include former jocks that changed their ways.
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 51d
Someone already prepared you for the worst part. There's also a scene where the nerds install hidden cameras into a sorority house to spy on the women getting changed.
Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 51d
Yeh, I think the rape already put me off! Haha
socsa@piefed.social · 2 pts · 51d
Yeah, the payoff is very literally a rape joke, and we transit through a bunch of non-con plot points to get there.
haywire7@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 51d
The first Ace Ventura has a few scenes that would make modern audiences cringe or cry.
janonymous@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 51d
Yeah the finale reveal is so incredible transphobic it's hard to rewatch.
Einskjaldi@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 50d
The person that isn't trans?
janonymous@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 50d
Yeah, technically he isn't trans. He's just pretending to be a woman. But it's hard to read the reactions of everyone else, immediately barfing and so on, on reveal not as anything but transphobic. It's also reinforcing the typical trans cliches. So, yeah. Depicted person is not actually trans. Depiction is still transphobic.
Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 50d
It's hard to watch, but its not because they are transphobic but its implied they all had sexual encounters with their boss and were deceived.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 50d
It was implied that she (he?) slept with (or at least kissed, as she did with Ace) all those guys, so I always just saw it as homophobic even before knowing anything about transgender stuff.
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 50d
Do you read those comics with adults fucking kids "that are really 1,000 year old demons"?
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 51d
There's a scene in the beginning of The Hangover where they use the f slur as a joking insult, which hasn't aged well. In fact it's aged so poorly that the scene is used perfectly in Nirvianna the Band the Show the Movie
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 51d
I mean I love me some Leslie Nielsen, but the OJ Simpson bits are rough in Lethal Weapon
1hitsong@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 51d
🤔
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 50d
Welk yeah, but it's not like anyoneat the time could have known he would go in to become a famous murderer
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 50d
Yeah that's why it didn't age well. I loved them at the time but that just puts a shade on it, watching it today.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 6 pts · 52d
This movie is actually worth watching.
The Stuntman with Peter O'Toole. Incredible action sequences, great acting, twisty mystery script. 10/10.
Except...
At one point, the hero is angry because he's found out the woman he loves slept with the guy he hates. An older fellow pulls him aside and throws him some wisdom.
"What did you think? She was a virgin? I had a virgin once. She was 14 years old and I had to fly to Guatemala. Cost me $1,000."
You can tell it was a 1980's movie because that stuff was completely ignored for decades.
https://youtu.be/fVLrUEyYLAI Full movie.
tomiant@piefed.social · 17 pts · 51d
I mean it's a very dark joke but it's still a joke. The actor didn't actually do that. And those people exist in real life. I hate where we've gotten to a point where mentioning something bad gets interpreted as being in favor of and promoting that thing, because it's not. That's not how comedy works.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 4 pts · 51d
The point I was making that when it came out it wasn't considered particularly dark. Think of it this way, in 'Revenge of the Nerds' the heroes were spy camming the sorority and at the time it was considered light hearted and amusing.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 51d
I remember The Fall Guy mentions it
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 1 pts · 51d
I posted it and then decided to rewatch it.
I knew pretty much every single line, and I was still blown away by how good it is.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 52d
That would've been shockingly bad taste even then - they were probably going for shock value.
I'll check it out - got me curious.
Edit: Peter O'Toole and Barbara Hershey in the 80's? Sign me right up!
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 2 pts · 51d
According to people I know who saw it when it first came out, it was on the level of him saying that [in 2026] he'd had an affair with a wife's friend. A regrettable peccadillo, not a giant moral failure.
No one in the movie treats him differently after, and it's never mentioned again.
And yes, Barbara looks really good.
JTode@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 51d
The second feature for RotNerds, if you're making an evening of regrettable comedies, would absolutely have to be Hot Dog: The Movie.
Features David Naughton, the American Werewolf In London, the I'm A Pepper guy, the Makin' It guy, a true icon of the early 1980s.
Also features the line, "Now that's a girl I can take advantage of!" in reference to a girl who has just been handed and drank a large enough sum of mixed liquor to pass out on the floor.
EddieEpoxy@piefed.social · 5 pts · 50d
The original Police Academy has a scene where Mahoney hires a prostitute and sneaks her under a podium, where she performs what one might call "surprise fellatio" on Captain Lassard while he gives a speech. Afterwards, Mahoney pops out from under the podium and waves to Lassard, suggesting that he was the one who performed the fellatio. Edgy and hilarious in 1984, but I think most modern audiences would recognize it as sexual assault followed up with a homophobic response. (Although I will say Lassard's response was almost progressive by 80s standards.)
Hamburger: The Motion Picture has a similar oral sex related sexual assault gag as well, where a guy goes down on a girl from under the table. The scene also takes place in a Chinese restaurant with, you know, one of those menus with the racist jokes. (The movie itself is still pretty funny, though.)
In terms of rape in movies, though, there's one in particular in Saturday Night Fever, of all things. For the most part, it's a classic movie, but there's a scene where the protagonist's friends all gang rape one of their other friends for reasons that are not really clear, and afterwards John Travolta's character tells her she deserved it, and yeah, just an awful scene that, I don't know, maybe it made sense in 1977 but it aged poorly very fast. Saturday Night Fever is very culturally relevant, it's the movie that made disco a mainstream phenomenon in the US, but that one scene is fucked up.
neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 52d
For a flat listacle, this one is pretty solid: https://www.boredpanda.com/movies-that-aged-poorly/
And if you want something that's a bit more data-driven in terms of overall approval level, there's this: https://www.statsignificant.com/p/which-movies-have-aged-poorly-a-statistical
Revenge of the Nerds and Song of the South would be my quick go-to answers.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 51d
I wanted personal opinions, not something AI summaries could tell me
Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 52d
Not a movie but a Bo-Selecta, a British comedy show from the 90s should definitely get a mention
thesohoriots@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 51d
Watching a guy do a recurring blackface Michael Jackson character was… something else.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 51d
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 50d
For some reason I thought it had a movie, apparently not
Knossos@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 50d
There's a pub scene in Crocodile Dundee that makes it a difficult watch.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 50d
I don't recall that scene, what was it about?
I do remember watching nthst movie again about a few years ago and oh god it was booooooring
Knossos@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 49d
There is someone female presenting and he grabs her genitals and says something along the lines of them not being a Sheila.
Noyesster@piefed.social · 0 pts · 51d
All of the Scary Movies
Breezy@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 51d
No, they're just as shitty as they were when they first came out. Which i still find slightly entertaining.
Noyesster@piefed.social · 2 pts · 50d
That’s fair
Mesophar@pawb.social · -14 pts · 50d
Blazing Saddles can probably fit in there.
While the overall message and story are probably fine still, the language and delivery has certainly aged poorly. Not even getting into Brooks himself.
I still absolutely love the movie, but it's the first thing that comes to mind when someone talks about "they couldn't make a movie like that today".
TheDarkestShark@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 50d
That's like saying Tropic Thunder aged poorly, the point of the racism is to mock it. Which for the time I think blazing saddles was pretty progressive in that regard.
Mesophar@pawb.social · -2 pts · 50d
Which is exactly why I said the language and the message were fine? The language definitely isn't something that is acceptable in movies today, even in mocking. And I would say the same thing about Tropic Thunder, though not to the same degree.
I love both movies, I want to be clear.
historicaldocuments@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 50d
Django Unchained
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 50d
Depressingly 14 years ago, btw.