Careful with those absolute statements there buddy. I was told the same by a teacher, who challenged the class to come up with natural examples of either straight lines or perfect circles. He talked about how such things cannot exist because at high enough resolution/magnification there will always be interruptions.
Your own example of light traveling in straight lines doesn't account for the fact that photons are waves and absolutely do not travel in straight lines.
Hmm, I’m not actually sure. Are we also ignoring refraction and reflection because the path is straight between those? If we’re talking discrete photons, you may be correct about each segment in its path being perfectly straight, but I’m not a theoretical physicist.
We can say that spatially, the summation of the photons movement is linear, but everything in the universe is waves and curves and we all know that to be true
if by straight you mean a perfect eucledian line, then there's no such thing as a perfect line in nature or reality.
as that might violate the Eisenberg Uncertainty principle. because if I know two points position or or if I know the direction and one point I'll know the position and direction of every point.
I work in public education. That's a pretty innocuous statement compared to some of the shit I've heard. Some teachers get so complacent in their lessons that they forget to apply it in their critical-thinking. Then, they have some crazy logical lapse, say something ridiculous out loud, and then some other kid from that class repeats that same shit to their own students when they grow up. These are mistakes that could easily be rectified with an apology or deliberate correction, but teachers are pushed so hard to prioritize being an authority figure that they sometimes forget to just be a teacher.
It's useful as a navigational aid, if you're lost in the woods keeping an eye open for straight lines, especially horizontal, is a good way of finding man made structures and potentially a way out. Beyond that, on a micro scale nature loves perfect geometry.
Yeah, it's a very stupid concept made into a very stupid meme to make dumb people feel dopamine over the concept of scientists being allegedly dumber than them.
Most scientists won't say that there are no straight lines in nature, it's so obviously and provably wrong.
I think it's more of a thing philosophically said when talking about how modern life is so different and unnatural compared to the lives of ancient people or animals.
Tbh, I've only ever heard it when talking about camouflage. And tbf in that context it is somewhat true, you're harder to see if you break up those straight lines.
Buddy, what is natural about me, a person who has never met you, talking to you, a person I have never met. How the hell doss that make any sense. Fuckin' superpowers m8. All up in this gadget.
I'd say this device I hold in my hands is the natural result of a social species who gained enough intelligence to mostly master their environment enough to spread globally, but still has the social need to stay connected to the tribe wherever they are.
Kind of, humans were hunter gatherers for so long that we evolved to be good at it, so I guess that's what would be natural for us.
Agriculture and our current life hasn't been around long enough for us to properly adapt to it.
I have no idea if those societies were patriarchal or matriarchal, I would imagine both happened or maybe even some sort of equality, if you want to know more about this go ask an expert in the field.
But in the end I don't care what you do, I just continued your argument.
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MohamedMoney@feddit.org · 92 pts · 48d
I can’t quite get over the fact that the premise is false
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 73 pts · 48d
no science teacher would ever say that.
Light travels in a straight line, plenty of crystals, linear erosion, many trees evolved to be as straight as possible...
and to be esoteric, every object path, even when gravity affects them (they travel in a perfectly straight line, but it is spacetime that is curved).
mrsemi@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 48d
Careful with those absolute statements there buddy. I was told the same by a teacher, who challenged the class to come up with natural examples of either straight lines or perfect circles. He talked about how such things cannot exist because at high enough resolution/magnification there will always be interruptions.
Your own example of light traveling in straight lines doesn't account for the fact that photons are waves and absolutely do not travel in straight lines.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 48d
they do tavel in a perfectly straight line though.
space time is curved, not the light path.
kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 47d
What about the fact that light bends around corners? Notably the interference pattern when shining light through a slit?
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 46d
Stop being mean to light by making it choose what slits to go through.
it has choice anxiety.
kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 46d
Ah, sorry for the confusion, I was referring to the single-slit experiment, I wasn't giving light a choice.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 46d
that's worse :(
let light be free
SystemDisc@feddit.org · -1 pts · 48d
I don’t think that’s right because they are affected by gravity, even if ever so slightly
Maldreamer@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 48d
But isn't the gravity bending the space, so the light itself is travelling straight but seems curved to the observer?
SystemDisc@feddit.org · 4 pts · 48d
Hmm, I’m not actually sure. Are we also ignoring refraction and reflection because the path is straight between those? If we’re talking discrete photons, you may be correct about each segment in its path being perfectly straight, but I’m not a theoretical physicist.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 48d
"through vacuum"
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 48d
gravity isn't a force, it's the curvature of space-time itself.
light follows a perfectly straight line through vacuum. the space itself isn't straight.
like drawing a straight line on a flat paper, if you roll the paper, that line is still straight within it's medium.
Newtonian gravity has been replaced by General relativity, and has been proven to be the correct model (at least more correct than Newtonian gravity).
SystemDisc@feddit.org · 2 pts · 48d
Makes sense to me. Thanks
nehal3m@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 48d
Only a Sith!
Klear@piefed.world · 3 pts · 48d
In that case that Pyrite proves nothing.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 47d
It travels in a straight line, just not in every dimension. Look at a waveform from above, it's a straight line.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 47d
Uh...
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 47d
Oh sure, bring evidence into it 🙄 lol. Um, how about sound waves?
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 47d
Sound waves are compressive waves, they radiate spherically (in principle, turbulence in the medium is going to make them slightly irregular)
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 47d
Neat!
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 47d
imgcat@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 47d
that's just silly
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 47d
Is it inaccurate?
imgcat@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 17d
plain wrong
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 47d
Apparently it is
Derpenheim@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 48d
But photons are also particles.
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 2 pts · 48d
Photons are both particles and waves, not only waves (that's because of the wave-particle duality discovered by/after Einstein's theories).
Krudler@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 48d
We can say that spatially, the summation of the photons movement is linear, but everything in the universe is waves and curves and we all know that to be true
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 48d
if by straight you mean a perfect eucledian line, then there's no such thing as a perfect line in nature or reality.
as that might violate the Eisenberg Uncertainty principle. because if I know two points position or or if I know the direction and one point I'll know the position and direction of every point.
but then that's too esoteric.
Krudler@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 48d
You are clearly full of shit and have no idea what you're talking about, and your flip-flopping between positions
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 48d
it's a meme channel, it's a stupid question, you get stupid answers.
I'm not putting my name in a paper saying definitely of straight exist in nature.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 47d
If straight didn't exist in nature, it would just be gays and nothing would ever procreate.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 47d
Heterosexuality is extremely rare in nature, mose animals have a lot of gay going on.
Krudler@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 48d
Counterpoint: shut the fuck up
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 48d
you literally have the power to shut people up at will, just block em, faster and more effective.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 48d
Your username has a typo in it
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 48d
Don't do drugs.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 48d
Wayyy to late partner
fartographer@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 47d
I work in public education. That's a pretty innocuous statement compared to some of the shit I've heard. Some teachers get so complacent in their lessons that they forget to apply it in their critical-thinking. Then, they have some crazy logical lapse, say something ridiculous out loud, and then some other kid from that class repeats that same shit to their own students when they grow up. These are mistakes that could easily be rectified with an apology or deliberate correction, but teachers are pushed so hard to prioritize being an authority figure that they sometimes forget to just be a teacher.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 47d
I'm going to pull a no true Scotsman, no good teacher would say that.
yhea, there are teachers that lose it a bit.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 47d
You'll hear no arguments from me.
glimse@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 47d
Memes like this are so dumb. Laugh tracks for the internet.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 48d
It's useful as a navigational aid, if you're lost in the woods keeping an eye open for straight lines, especially horizontal, is a good way of finding man made structures and potentially a way out. Beyond that, on a micro scale nature loves perfect geometry.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 48d
Yeah, it's a very stupid concept made into a very stupid meme to make dumb people feel dopamine over the concept of scientists being allegedly dumber than them.
I really hate our species sometimes.
bitteroldcoot@piefed.social · 85 pts · 48d
Worked as a physicist for 30 years, nobody talks like that. Everyone else in the room is to smart, and will slap you down for using absolutes.
OozingPositron@feddit.cl · 44 pts · 48d
>nobody
You should be slapped as well then.
bitteroldcoot@piefed.social · 42 pts · 48d
Well it’s about time someone picked up on that one. It was low hanging fruit.
justaman123@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 48d
For some reason your comment makes me think of this
underscores@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 47d
would it be more grammatically correct if he said "with enough derogation"?
justaman123@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 47d
Yes, but I think that playing with the grammar is part of the joke, as if derogatory is quantifiable.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 47d
I'm about to slap you both. For the lulz.
Slovene85@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 47d
Like The Three Stooges.
Fmstrat@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 48d
Ahem... "too".
psud@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 40d
You didn't notice they used to but meant too?
Anyway they said they worked as a physicist not a linguist
hypeerror@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 48d
That explains why the Sith were rarely seen in the sciences.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 48d
Think you'd rather catch an art teacher saying that than a scientist tbh.
Psaldorn@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 48d
Bismuth has joined the chat
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 48d
Straight lines are it’s Bismuth.
MrSelfDestruct@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 48d
Is the gas form called Bismeth?
Floodedwomb@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 48d
Bizmist
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 48d
Bizmuthn’t
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 47d
What do you call Beeznuts?
Draconic_NEO@mander.xyz · 19 pts · 48d
Most scientists won't say that there are no straight lines in nature, it's so obviously and provably wrong. I think it's more of a thing philosophically said when talking about how modern life is so different and unnatural compared to the lives of ancient people or animals.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 48d
I wonder if there's any animals who see crystals in nature and think "wow that's a really cool rock".
laz@pawb.social · 7 pts · 47d
Birds definitely think this. My local Magpies have definitely attempted bribery with cool rocks and shiny discarded human objects
Draconic_NEO@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 47d
Without a doubt. It would be weirder if there weren't.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 47d
Tbh, I've only ever heard it when talking about camouflage. And tbf in that context it is somewhat true, you're harder to see if you break up those straight lines.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 47d
what is 'natural' life, being a sustenance farmer, and dying of starvation if you have a bad harvest?
Noobnarski@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 47d
Agriculture is already somewhat unnatural, so I guess a "natural" life would be hunter gatherers.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 47d
Are you trying to say that we don't follow the laws of nature? That our activities are supernatural?
silasmariner@programming.dev · 3 pts · 47d
Buddy, what is natural about me, a person who has never met you, talking to you, a person I have never met. How the hell doss that make any sense. Fuckin' superpowers m8. All up in this gadget.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 47d
Me: hello, nice to meet you!
You: What the fuck!?
silasmariner@programming.dev · 2 pts · 47d
Accurate
Glytch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 47d
I'd say this device I hold in my hands is the natural result of a social species who gained enough intelligence to mostly master their environment enough to spread globally, but still has the social need to stay connected to the tribe wherever they are.
silasmariner@programming.dev · 1 pts · 47d
William Blake would've agreed, although I forget the relevant passages.
Noobnarski@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 47d
Somewhat yes, nature usually tries to adapt to the environment, we are adapting the environment to us.
I haven't seen any other animal building roads and factories and cities.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 47d
This is why I prefer the word synthetic and define around that.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 47d
oh I see, so if you aren't a roving band of stone age people, then it's unnatural?
and are these societies also matriarchal or something too, because you know the patriarchy is unnatural as well?
Noobnarski@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 47d
Kind of, humans were hunter gatherers for so long that we evolved to be good at it, so I guess that's what would be natural for us.
Agriculture and our current life hasn't been around long enough for us to properly adapt to it.
I have no idea if those societies were patriarchal or matriarchal, I would imagine both happened or maybe even some sort of equality, if you want to know more about this go ask an expert in the field.
But in the end I don't care what you do, I just continued your argument.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 47d
*subsistence
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 47d
Straight line and sharp corners in almost all crystals.
Nice eg. in Ireland
Glytch@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 47d
And this is why absolute statements are generally bad arguments. It only takes one example to disprove them.
Superdooper@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 47d
Only Siths deal in absolutes
lengau@midwest.social · 1 pts · 45d
Mostly Siths deal in absolutes.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 47d
No scientists ever said that.
Glytch@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 47d
I didn't say they did. I was commenting on the meme and speaking generally.
RedAggroBest@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 47d
It's a haha
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 47d
just because someone calls themself a scientist doesnt mean they are, as evidenced by that post
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 47d
what about evil wizards who call themselves scientists? legit, or no?
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 47d
big fat no
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 47d
Wildcats are nature, they have multiple very sharp corners.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 47d
No need to go that far, I have one set of sharp corners sitting right on my lap. Also help, I'm trapped. :(
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 47d
Your lap has been chosen! You cannot move until you are allowed to move.
massive_bereavement@fedia.io · 7 pts · 48d
Quite ironic.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 48d
Only a Fool would have missed this gold
MrSelfDestruct@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 48d
Does it still have straight lines under a microscope?
Dayroom7485@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 47d
That‘s the worst part: at atomic scale, the fucker is made out of smaller… cubes
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/crystal-structure-of-pyrite-3add26cf08b74346afb1d689c78b7144
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 47d
Those appear to octahedrons
gooballer@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 18d
the dual of a cube is an octahedron after all
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 18d
The dual is kinda the exact opposite, by definition. From an orthogonal perspective, cube is the wrongest possible word.
TwodogsFighting@lemdro.id · 5 pts · 47d
Does it still have straight lines if you look really closely?
Zink@programming.dev · 3 pts · 47d
Well, no. If you look closely enough, no lines exist.
heartSagan5@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 47d
Yeah, molecules rarely string linearly.
solidheron@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 48d
Technically fibers in wood is straight.
I want to say ice has straight edges
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 47d
well done OP, you really stuck it to those stupid scientists
/s
nehal3m@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 48d
I must confess, this sparked a laugh
This pointiness, it’s nature’s gaff
Give me a siiiiign
Fool me baby one more time
5ha99y@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 48d
As you can see the pyrite is pointy and not pointless
justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 47d
those lines are never straight...
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 48d
We exist within nature, so nature created linear particle accelerators.
philipp_@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 47d
Hume pilled.
MrOzwaldMan@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 47d
Yo, these jokes hit different when you Big Brain!