cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/42673820
Looking for suggestions besides Kubuntu, KDE Neon, Debian, Arch Linux, or Kali.
Would be on a modest Dell Latitude with i5, 14" 1080p display with intel graphics, and maybe 16gb ram. I have previous experience with XFCE, Ratpoison, Openbox, KDE Plasma. Recently started trying out LXQT.
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dlsloop@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 21d
If you're looking for something that won't give you any headaches then I wholeheartedly recommend Bazzite. IMO it's the best distro for the casual user.
I've also been interested in NixOS lately for the ability to easily transfer and back up the config, but I have yet to make that jump. It seems like a really great way to set up an OS though.
kiol@discuss.online · 5 pts · 21d
Okay, I'll add bazzite and nix to the wiki suggestions. Thanks
RadicalRebel@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 21d
I prefer Fedora over Bazzite as it gives you more control, but this also means it's easier to break. Bazzite is an immutable distro, whereas Fedora uses the traditional mutable root filesystem. But despite the difference, Bazzite uses Fedora Atomic as it's base OS.
Just as a fun little factoid, Linus Torvalds runs Fedora and while he was using KDE for a while, he switched to GNOME as he felt it required much less fiddling around with than KDE.
kiol@discuss.online · 3 pts · 21d
They are both on the list... Bazzite and Fedora w/ Gnome
RadicalRebel@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 21d
I'd recommend KDE over GNOME, especially if you're coming over from Windows. My take on Linus's move is he's tinkered with Linux 5+ days a week for ages, so GNOME makes more sense. But as a nerd who doesn't work in tech, I love KDE as I can tinker until I'm content and changes are just made in settings. Either way, I'd say finding the Desktop Enviornment you like is more important than the distro!
kiol@discuss.online · 3 pts · 21d
I've been on Plasma for a while. Haven't tried Gnome since version 2.
dil@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 20d
Until you want to tinker with stuff that doesn't have an appimage or flatpak, also on amd I'm convinced blender runs slower than it did on cachyos, davinci resolve doesn't work no matter what work around I try it freezes my computer when loading a project. Cycles can't recognize my gpu on bazzite either (blenders renderer), if it does (through tar not flatpak) it doesn't work.
I had no issues on cachyos, I just swapped to see if my displayport would work here, should've realized it's a hardware issue earlier, did when I dualbooted windows and then googled my laptop and found out the usb c to display always had issues and likely never worked. (alienware m17 r5 all amd) Every person asking under warranty got it replaced with an nvidia variant.
CCMan1701A@startrek.website · 2 pts · 21d
I agree. On a new machine I've been using I tried Ubuntu and then Zorin, but Bazzite just works better. Could be the Fedora base that's helping a lot, idk. But switching that machine over when I'm not lazy.
dlsloop@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 21d
It's the first distro I've tried where everything just works right out of the box and nothing is overly bloated. All of the software I use was available from the Bazzar and my printer even worked right away. No fiddling with CUPS or trying to install from binary/tar/appimg/etc.
kiol@discuss.online · 1 pts · 21d
Would you run it on the specs: i5, 8 - 16gb ram, intel integrated Graphics
CCMan1701A@startrek.website · 1 pts · 20d
Agreed
bad1080@piefed.social · 12 pts · 21d
hannah montana linux
kiol@discuss.online · 3 pts · 20d
The only issue with this is it is Kubuntu, which is exactly what I already use. The theme and icon pack can be added onto any other distro, so that works.
Forester@pawb.social · 2 pts · 20d
If you didn't comment this first I would have
Luffy879@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 21d
Fedora.
Its not new, its not special with some big changes or special kernels, it has sane settings.
It has releases every 6 months, and updates about as much as arch
kiol@discuss.online · 2 pts · 21d
This was the first thing recommended: Fedora with default Gnome. I've never even tried Yum, so would be interesting.
TerHu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 21d
me and my homies are using fedora KDE, which we can greatly recommend. we use it not just for personal gaming, creative tools, and software development but also (especially) on our work machines.
phanto@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 21d
I've been enjoying LMDE. Mint without Ubuntu.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 20d
same here
kiol@discuss.online · 1 pts · 21d
Added to list
kiol@discuss.online · 1 pts · 20d
Any notable differences between Ubuntu and Debian base for you?
phanto@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 20d
The big one is no Snaps. You can get them, but I prefer flatpaks which I use on LMDE.
gt24@piefed.world · 1 pts · 20d
Linux Mint uses the LTS version of Ubuntu so the "base" gets updates about every 2 years just like Debian. As such, both are going to be "about as new" as each other (emphasis on "about").
Ubuntu LTS pushed a bad kernel update where the headers were not available for a while. This meant that anyone using additional drivers (like I was for my networking) would have the kernel fail to install and then the operating system kernel panic when you boot up the next time. That is surprisingly "not stable"...
Debian, which will update about the same amount, has not pushed a bad update like that as far as I recall. That being said, I have had less experience with Debian.
The Linux Mint team seems to publish packages to LMDE so that it will have similar features to Ubuntu (like codec support) so you won't be missing that by using the Debian base. That being said, minor differences were present (such as guest mode missing compared with the Ubuntu base). Also, Ubuntu may have support for additional hardware in case you need that sort of stuff and will have HWE kernels that will support newer hardware than Debian.
Still, if LMDE works for you then it is more likely to keep working in a boring and predictable manner. If you are using the Ubuntu base, you may have a random update mess things up which will require you to do some troubleshooting. Ideally, you won't notice much of a difference between the two though.
uint8_t@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 21d
Trying for fun or trying to settle?
I like NixOS but Void is cool too
kiol@discuss.online · 4 pts · 21d
Just got void submitted. Will add Nix. Window manager preference? Any nix stuff to try?
uint8_t@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 21d
Niri is a joy! Tried it once and never looked back.
Nix is a wide ecosystem and you have tons of tools to use for your config to your hearts content, so this is a bit tough. Id say: Make your config a flake (its an experimental feature, but it's a de-facto default), use home manager or GNU stow to organize your .config and home directory, and if you like Nix and plan to stay, look into the dendritic pattern for your config (not the best for someone just testing nix, but for long term it's a total life-saver)
Best of luck to you!
kiol@discuss.online · 2 pts · 21d
As in declarative?
uint8_t@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 21d
Yup it is. You configure your whole system by setting options in your config files, using a functional language. It's hard at first but with time you naturally get used to it
kiol@discuss.online · 1 pts · 21d
Where I got stuck before was in the number of packages that were not actually supported within Nix. I found the documentation very frustrating, but the community very welcoming.
JayGray91@piefed.social · 1 pts · 21d
When I was shopping distros to jump ship from winslop, came across niri videos and I was smitten. Having decided to try cachyOS because 1. gaming, 2. Arch with training wheels, 3. Installer has niri option, I went for it.
I was dual booting with winslop for a week, but that one was cachy with plasma, then seeing I truly do not need winslop anymore, I wipe the whole drive and installed cachy again but this time with niri.
I use colemak as my keyboard layout, so during the dual boot period I set that as system layout during installation, but that had some problems with games. So when I wiped and reinstall, I just leave qwerty as system default. The cachy installer installed niri with noctalia as its shell
Well too bad, currently I do not have the understanding nor the inclination to learn how to configure niri and noctalia lol. Even adding colemak was too much. Tbf to myself, it was already 11 pm and I have work the coming morning. I'm glad that another reinstall and having all my needed software restored is o my 10 minutes.
Tldr, niri noctalia too hard for me now. Will revisit again when I have time to learn by trial by fire.
Although I have to say that I found a plasma plugin called mousetiler that's almost exactly like fancyzones. That was the biggest thing I was missing dearly. I don't have to remember so many keyboard shortcuts lol
GunnarGrop@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 21d
NixOS and Guix System! I'm currently using Guix System + Nix (via home-manager, mostly) but you can also do it the other way around.
NixOS uses systemd, but Guix System does not. They are both awesome though. Absolutely my favourite distros. Incredibility flexible, and reproducibility and "declarativeness" are core concepts. The only negative is that they both have quite a steep learning curve, compared to other distros.
kiol@discuss.online · 5 pts · 21d
Cool, added Guix system to the list with Nix.
buran@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 19d
I wanna use Guix but I worry about hardware compatibility, when I tried to run it the installer said my hardware wasn't 100% compatible and recommended me not to continue.
GunnarGrop@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 19d
Yeah, "unfortunately" since Guix is a GNU project, they don't package the upstream Linux kernel, just linux-libre, which removes a lot of binary blobs. Great if you want a fully free OS, not so great if you need drivers only available in the mainline kernel.
The practical solution to this is to use the channel nonguix, which packages mainline Linux for Guix. You can follow the instructions for nonguix to create a guix ISO with the regular Linux kernel, then make sure your installed system uses that same kernel.
It's not hard to do, but if one doesn't have the inclination I'd just recommended using NixOS. :-)
buran@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 19d
Right now and using NixOS and I'm pretty happy with it, it suffers from There's More Than One Way To Do It and there are so many options that do the same and the documentation isn't great.
When I finally made my base flake.nix, easy peasy! But the difficulty curve is pretty steep.
kiol@discuss.online · 2 pts · 21d
Someone else was saying to go for Flakes
GunnarGrop@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 21d
Yeah, it's been an ongoing debate whether the old Nix style or the newer Flakes are a better approach. I don't really know that much about it, but thus far I definitely like using Flakes more
kiol@discuss.online · 1 pts · 21d
So Guix is the old stye?
GunnarGrop@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 21d
No no, Nix has two ways of handling configurations, where Flakes are the new style, but still experimental. Guix just have one way of handling configurations.
bradboimler@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 19d
If you're new I suggest not using flakes. You can always switch to them when you learn how to maintain NixOS.
kiol@discuss.online · 1 pts · 19d
I've played with Nix twice over a week each time. I'm not afraid at all, but I suppose at this point I'll decide which distro by dice roll.
moistracoon@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 21d
Hannah Montana
kiol@discuss.online · 5 pts · 21d
Someone else just asked for it as well, lol
moistracoon@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 21d
Just do it!
phanto@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 21d
Didn't I see something about someone bringing it back? They should call it Miley CyrOS.
kiol@discuss.online · 3 pts · 21d
It got a whole new release within the last week. Only thing- it is a reskin of Kubuntu, which is exactly what I already use.
adarza@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 21d
it used to be that.. the 'new' one is debian trixie-based. runs plasma but there's also a 'lite' spin that uses lxqt
kiol@discuss.online · 2 pts · 20d
That is awesome!
luthis@lemmy.nz · 3 pts · 21d
Dam, beat me to it
offspec@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 20d
Nixos
kiol@discuss.online · 3 pts · 20d
Cool, I've tried Nix twice for a week at a time. Still have my configs. Struggling with lots of missing packages and the docs being frustrating, but love how it works once configured.
offspec@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 19d
I want to set time aside to set it up but I'd rather go with a fresh drive
kiol@discuss.online · 2 pts · 19d
Exactly the sort of situation I am benefiting from, thanks to receiving a spare machine.
Dzheyk@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 21d
I've been dipping my toe into CachyOS, decent so far. Running Bazzite on my main gaming PC and..yeah, is nice but does lack some freedoms by being locked down a bit. Works well enough for what I use it for 99% of the time.
kiol@discuss.online · 2 pts · 21d
Both are on the list
Cricket@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 19d
openSUSE. Either Tumbleweed (rolling) or Leap (stable). A few reasons for this:
Edit: it's probably best to avoid their "SlowRoll" distro for now. It's rolling but with less frequent updates than Tumbleweed, which many may thinks is a sweet spot. However, it's still in beta and I've heard of people having issues with it occasionally.
kiol@discuss.online · 2 pts · 19d
Slowroll was recommended previously.
Cricket@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 18d
Yes, I've seen it recommended in the past, but just wanted to mention the caveats. Might as well go for Tumbleweed, which appears to be their main distro. In fact, if I recall correctly they had announced a couple of years ago that they were going to sunset Leap but then walked that back when the community protested.
bluesquid0741b@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 21d
One I'm always interested in but never tried is Void Linux
witness_me@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 19d
I recently went back to fedora workstation (gnome) after using Arch (Manjaro) with kde and hyprland for the last 3 years.
Got tired of things breaking with hyprland and Manjaro every other month. Had a few issues with AUR packages too (I know I’m supposed to carefully read release notes to figure out what breaks, but how many people actually do that?)
With fedora at least, I won’t have to worry about packages breaking and not working together. Gnome isn’t my favorite but I’m sticking to it for a while to give it a fair chance.
kiol@discuss.online · 1 pts · 19d
Yeah, definitely super interested as someone who has tried neither Fedora, nor Gnome (since version 2).
hexagonwin@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 21d
it's more like the oldest linux distro but slackware is good
kiol@discuss.online · 1 pts · 21d
Anything else to try in regards to Slackware?
hexagonwin@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 20d
there's a stable release 15.0 released in 2022 and -current rolling release that's up to date for everything. i recommend -current for desktop/laptops.
there's not much automated tools like other distros, but the system itself is extremely simple and well documented. many tools in the system (package manager, init, etc) are all simple shell scripts.
there's also distros that are based on slackware like salix, could be easier as it comes with apt-get afaik
kiol@discuss.online · 1 pts · 20d
Cool, so you are on the rolling release. Does it do everything you want as a daily driver?
hexagonwin@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 20d
yes, i prefer it over other distros mainly because of its low complexity. tried gentoo recently but the toolings felt too complex for me. the package repository is a bit small so you might have to compile some from source.
br3d@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 20d
I've just switched to Pop_OS and so far I'm really impressed. Very fast, and Cosmic desktop has a totally different design and aesthetic to any other DE
kiol@discuss.online · 1 pts · 20d
Added to list
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21d
Ubuntu server (headless)
Install pulse, x11, awesomewm.
Building the gui stack yourself on top of Ubuntu server gives you all of the debian/Ubuntu stability and issue searchability with none of the gnome/canonical cruft.
thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe · 5 pts · 21d
If you're going to do that why not just install Debian ?
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 20d
I like the stable, but newer packages that Ubuntu offers, plus the first-party support you get from a lot of projects. I wish debian was the standard dpkg assumption for first-party support but it unfortunately is not. Ubuntu makes it pretty easy to build automation on top of that is good for 5+ years without touching.
kiol@discuss.online · 2 pts · 20d
Have you tried this on base Debian? Works well!
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 20d
Yes I have, admittedly it's been about a decade but at the time I switched because getting hardware acceleration in chrome and Firefox was difficult on debian, trivial on Ubuntu. I like the stable, but newer packages that Ubuntu offers, plus the first-party support you get from a lot of projects. I wish debian was the standard dpkg assumption for first-party support but it unfortunately is not.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21d
Fedora.
I prefer the KDE spin over GNOME, but I hate GNOME.
Whatever DE you prefer, pick that one.
kiol@discuss.online · 1 pts · 20d
Curious about Gnome after avoiding it since version 3 dropped
osanna@lemmy.vg · 1 pts · 20d
I'm on Zorin, and i love it.
kiol@discuss.online · 1 pts · 20d
Cool, how long have you used it?
osanna@lemmy.vg · 2 pts · 20d
on and off for a few years. It's decent as fuck. It's very windows like, more so than KDE or cinnamon imho.
kiol@discuss.online · 1 pts · 14d
Here are options, which I'll choose by dice roll. Laptop arrives eta today.
marcie@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 20d
i noticed you havent tried fedora atomic cosmic. if youre just looking to run the gamut of DEs its probably the best cosmic distro right now. bonus points its fairly easy to rebase between each fedora atomic distro so you can DE hop without too much pain
kiol@discuss.online · 2 pts · 20d
Sounds fun. I did try Cosmic some time ago on a live disk and it had almost no features at that time, but was very snappy.
marcie@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 20d
theyve come a long way, i keep an eye on them all the time. i think its possible that one day they will eclipse kde in functionality but theyre still in the adding features stage. its getting close though, maybe another year baked and i'll swap entirely. its very snappy on cheap laptops, fully recommend it for that use case
somegeek@programming.dev · 1 pts · 18d
Guix
whassssup@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 20d
kiol@discuss.online · 1 pts · 20d
Thanks, I have this combo on the list (Niri was requested on it as well).