For anyone interested, this means it's shit olive oil. Good olive oil is obtained directly from olives using only mechanical methods. It then passes taste test to determine if it's only "virgin" or "extra virgin" (better, pure taste). Bad olive oil is extracted using chemical processes. This is not edible and normally was used in lamps but you can refine it in other industrial processes, add some virgin oil for taste and sell it. This is the bad kind. Don't buy that shit.
Also want to add something I saw in the US: light olive oil. It advertised itself as olive oil with a lighter flavor. It was olive oil diluted with vegetable oil, yet sold at a premium.
That is really interesting. I always wondered what virgin and extra virgin mean (other than just "better quality") but never got to looking it up.
Refined oils usually have the benefit of being able to be heated to a higher temperature before braking down though. This is why most cold pressed oils should not really be used for cooking.
Good that you mention it, I should have done that. Yes, virgin olive oil itself has a high breakdown temperature and is fine for cooking. It's just not recommended for deep frying.
As a comparison: unrefined sunflower or rapeseed oil for example are not suitable for heated foods (although both can be expected to be refined, if not stated otherwise). When they are refined, they are fine for even deep frying.
One interesting thing I found: According to the wikipedia smoke point chart, unrefined rapeseed oil is fine for cooking. My german source says it's not.
i have no idea what to do when two sources contradict. i guess I'll believe neither: it's not okay for cooking and not unacceptabke for cooking. it is necessary for all cooki g and always has been
Look out for stuff that is sold next to Olive oil called Pomace Oil. It's packaged almost exactly the same and 'Pomace Oil' is usually hidden in fancy script somewhere. It's much cheaper because it's made from running the garbage that is left over through a couple questionable processes to squeeze out every last ml of oil out of it.
It's possibly unhealthy to consume regularly and definitely the poorest quality. That's why the 3 liter tin is only like $25
Also, the Italian/Greek/whatever Olive Oil was probably sourced from a bunch of different places and only packaged in the stated country.
Look for 'First Press' oils to have some chance at quality product, though the producer may be lying about that too, or mixing a legal minimum of the stated high quality product with the cheapest garbage they can boost their margins with.
Hey, finally a topic I can contribute something to (I dabble in making my own olive oil).
Depending on what you mean by chemical methods, you might not be 100% correct. The vast majority of food grade olive oil (including really high quality stuff) is extracted by crushing the olives into a mash, mixing it with warm water and spinning the resulting paste in a centrifuge. The quality varies according to the quality of the fruit, when it's picked, how much oil you're trying to squeeze out, and the variables you control are basically the temperature and quantity of water in the mash. It's classified as virgin or extra virgin according to the chemical composition, and the "cold pressed" is more of a marketing term than an actual process. It's nowadays supposed to mean that the mash doesn't get over a certain temperature in the extraction, but if it did it would be poor quality oil anyway, so it's pretty meaningless for "decent or above" oil quality. Purely mechanically pressed oil is exceedingly rare and has a more muted flavor because it skips the process of mixing the mash with water, which activates the aromatic compounds.
Edit: all that being said, the bizarre wording in the meme undoubtedly means that the oil is garbage tier.
also i'm pretty sure that the "refined" plant oil is harvested by heating the plant materials up first and then pressing it? instead of cold-pressing it.
the heat makes the oil less viscuous so it flows easier. so you can press it out more fully, but also the heat chemically alters the oil and make it go rancid faster or sth?
Peanuts aren't nuts. They are Goober peas. Nut like peas not pea like nuts. A peanut allergy and a nut allergy are different things and your peanut butter is likely made in a factory that also processes actual nuts.
So as poor as that communication is - it's probably accurate.
If you buy a bag of "mixed nuts", it often has peanuts in
If someone asks whether something contains nuts, peanuts will be included in the reply
In sane markets, a pack of salted peanuts will say "may contain traces of other nuts" in the allergy information
Peanuts don't belong to the botanical classification of nuts, but that also doesn't categorise strawberries as fucking berries so it's a load of shite.
If someone did ask you whether something contains nuts, you wouldn't risk saying "no" if it really contains peanuts, would you? At least, I hope not...
If someone is allergic to nuts or peanuts, they know the difference between nut and peanuts.
As someone who constantly deals with other peoples allergies, I literally never have to clarify the statement of "nut allergy" because a peanut is factually not a nut. Therefore, they are not allergic to them.
I know you read my reply and downvoted even though you had nothing. This is seriously distressing. Don't let your pedantry put people's lives in danger.
If there is any risk of you giving someone who says they have a nut allergy peanuts, you need to immediately change how you handle that, because you are risking putting someone in hospital, or worse. I'm not saying this to prove a stupid internet point; I'm saying this because I genuinely fear you might endanger someone, and you don't want that.
I have a nut allergy, and I only learnt of the botanical definition of a nut from know-it-alls on the internet, long after my initial doctor's appointment. In that appointment, I was told to go easy on peanuts because, even though I had never had a reaction to them (only a different kind of nut), there was a risk of one developing. That would, presumably, have been the time for the doctor to have told me that peanuts aren't nuts.
https://www.anaphylaxis.org.uk/fact-sheet/peanut-and-tree-nut-allergy/ - "Once you have been diagnosed with a peanut or tree nut allergy, you will need to avoid the nut or nuts you’re allergic to." does not make sense if "peanuts are not nuts". It also separates them into "nuts and peanuts" but since it does not always do this, the distinction is not the categorical one you are claiming.
If I bought a packet of "mixed nuts" I would not expect it to have raisins in, but packetsofmixed nuts often contain peanuts.
Notice I didn't say "peanuts are nuts because they are packaged with nuts", but because they are included in a package whose label is just "mixed nuts".
See also my other comment here for a number of places where you can see the word "nut" used in a way which includes peanuts (and why it's important)
When there wasn't a word count, but instead a page count, I increased the size of periods to make wider spaces between lines, just by a point or two. These types of stupid requirements are why in undergrad, multiple TAs and professors noted that I have a very verbose way of writing.
I think this is a situation where they can't just call it olive oil due to regulation and they have a set title-summary format in the product range (Essential Waitrose if I recognise the font).
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ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 98 pts · 28d
For anyone interested, this means it's shit olive oil. Good olive oil is obtained directly from olives using only mechanical methods. It then passes taste test to determine if it's only "virgin" or "extra virgin" (better, pure taste). Bad olive oil is extracted using chemical processes. This is not edible and normally was used in lamps but you can refine it in other industrial processes, add some virgin oil for taste and sell it. This is the bad kind. Don't buy that shit.
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 27d
Also want to add something I saw in the US: light olive oil. It advertised itself as olive oil with a lighter flavor. It was olive oil diluted with vegetable oil, yet sold at a premium.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 27d
The amount of astoundingly shit product that are casually sold in the US is mind boggling. You just cannot trust anything over there.
NightmareQueenJune@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 27d
That is really interesting. I always wondered what virgin and extra virgin mean (other than just "better quality") but never got to looking it up.
Refined oils usually have the benefit of being able to be heated to a higher temperature before braking down though. This is why most cold pressed oils should not really be used for cooking.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 8 pts · 27d
Olive oil has a high breakdown temp as far as I know and is fine for cooking.
https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-40043712
NightmareQueenJune@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 27d
Good that you mention it, I should have done that. Yes, virgin olive oil itself has a high breakdown temperature and is fine for cooking. It's just not recommended for deep frying.
As a comparison: unrefined sunflower or rapeseed oil for example are not suitable for heated foods (although both can be expected to be refined, if not stated otherwise). When they are refined, they are fine for even deep frying.
One interesting thing I found: According to the wikipedia smoke point chart, unrefined rapeseed oil is fine for cooking. My german source says it's not.
My sources: English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Smoke_point_of_cooking_oils
German: https://www.alnatura.de/de-de/magazin/warenkunde/warenkunde-erhitzbare-oele/
tyranny@crazypeople.online · 1 pts · 23d
i have no idea what to do when two sources contradict. i guess I'll believe neither: it's not okay for cooking and not unacceptabke for cooking. it is necessary for all cooki g and always has been
NightmareQueenJune@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23d
Keep in mind that basically all regular rapeseed oil (canola) is refined and thus good for cooking.
fushuan@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 26d
All of the Mediterranean is dead apparently lol.
I know that they informed you that (extra) virgin oil is fine for cooking, but I had to, sorry.
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 27d
Look out for stuff that is sold next to Olive oil called Pomace Oil. It's packaged almost exactly the same and 'Pomace Oil' is usually hidden in fancy script somewhere. It's much cheaper because it's made from running the garbage that is left over through a couple questionable processes to squeeze out every last ml of oil out of it.
It's possibly unhealthy to consume regularly and definitely the poorest quality. That's why the 3 liter tin is only like $25
Also, the Italian/Greek/whatever Olive Oil was probably sourced from a bunch of different places and only packaged in the stated country.
Look for 'First Press' oils to have some chance at quality product, though the producer may be lying about that too, or mixing a legal minimum of the stated high quality product with the cheapest garbage they can boost their margins with.
baropithecus@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 27d
Hey, finally a topic I can contribute something to (I dabble in making my own olive oil).
Depending on what you mean by chemical methods, you might not be 100% correct. The vast majority of food grade olive oil (including really high quality stuff) is extracted by crushing the olives into a mash, mixing it with warm water and spinning the resulting paste in a centrifuge. The quality varies according to the quality of the fruit, when it's picked, how much oil you're trying to squeeze out, and the variables you control are basically the temperature and quantity of water in the mash. It's classified as virgin or extra virgin according to the chemical composition, and the "cold pressed" is more of a marketing term than an actual process. It's nowadays supposed to mean that the mash doesn't get over a certain temperature in the extraction, but if it did it would be poor quality oil anyway, so it's pretty meaningless for "decent or above" oil quality. Purely mechanically pressed oil is exceedingly rare and has a more muted flavor because it skips the process of mixing the mash with water, which activates the aromatic compounds.
Edit: all that being said, the bizarre wording in the meme undoubtedly means that the oil is garbage tier.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 1 pts · 27d
I believe the refined oils are extracted using solvents. This is how Aceite de Orujo (Pomace Oil?) is made for example.
baropithecus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 25d
Yeah, you're right. I don't have any experience with industrial oil making but that process sounds nasty.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org · 2 pts · 26d
also i'm pretty sure that the "refined" plant oil is harvested by heating the plant materials up first and then pressing it? instead of cold-pressing it.
the heat makes the oil less viscuous so it flows easier. so you can press it out more fully, but also the heat chemically alters the oil and make it go rancid faster or sth?
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com · 1 pts · 27d
pretty sure this is the one pictured btw https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/products/essential-olive-oil/034141-17087-17088
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 27d
For lights? Like to burn??? Wth kind of plant is olive to be making that much oil?
Mr_Fish@lemmy.nz · 80 pts · 28d
Oh, right. The poison. The poison for Kuzco, the poison chosen especially to kill Kuzco, Kuzco's poison. That poison?
db2@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 28d
I was going to reply to the post with "That olive oil?" but you got here first. Oh well.
inriconus@programming.dev · 29 pts · 28d
charonn0@startrek.website · 23 pts · 28d
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social · 8 pts · 28d
There is a brand of peanut butter here that has "WARNING: May contain nuts" on the label.
TroublesomeTalker@feddit.uk · 24 pts · 28d
Peanuts aren't nuts. They are Goober peas. Nut like peas not pea like nuts. A peanut allergy and a nut allergy are different things and your peanut butter is likely made in a factory that also processes actual nuts. So as poor as that communication is - it's probably accurate.
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social · 8 pts · 28d
Huh, TIL! Thanks for the explanation!
FishFace@piefed.social · 1 pts · 28d
Peanuts are nuts. You can tell because:
Peanuts don't belong to the botanical classification of nuts, but that also doesn't categorise strawberries as fucking berries so it's a load of shite.
If someone did ask you whether something contains nuts, you wouldn't risk saying "no" if it really contains peanuts, would you? At least, I hope not...
Cypher@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 28d
None of what you said is relevant for allergies which is the purpose of the labelling.
FishFace@piefed.social · -1 pts · 28d
What about the third bullet point/my final paragraph? Did you read them?
Velypso@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 28d
If someone is allergic to nuts or peanuts, they know the difference between nut and peanuts.
As someone who constantly deals with other peoples allergies, I literally never have to clarify the statement of "nut allergy" because a peanut is factually not a nut. Therefore, they are not allergic to them.
FishFace@piefed.social · 1 pts · 27d
I know you read my reply and downvoted even though you had nothing. This is seriously distressing. Don't let your pedantry put people's lives in danger.
FishFace@piefed.social · -3 pts · 27d
If there is any risk of you giving someone who says they have a nut allergy peanuts, you need to immediately change how you handle that, because you are risking putting someone in hospital, or worse. I'm not saying this to prove a stupid internet point; I'm saying this because I genuinely fear you might endanger someone, and you don't want that.
I have a nut allergy, and I only learnt of the botanical definition of a nut from know-it-alls on the internet, long after my initial doctor's appointment. In that appointment, I was told to go easy on peanuts because, even though I had never had a reaction to them (only a different kind of nut), there was a risk of one developing. That would, presumably, have been the time for the doctor to have told me that peanuts aren't nuts.
I hope this over-the-top reply is enough to convince you.
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 27d
Raisins are also nuts, because they are frequently packaged with peanuts.
FishFace@piefed.social · 0 pts · 27d
If I bought a packet of "mixed nuts" I would not expect it to have raisins in, but packets of mixed nuts often contain peanuts.
Notice I didn't say "peanuts are nuts because they are packaged with nuts", but because they are included in a package whose label is just "mixed nuts".
See also my other comment here for a number of places where you can see the word "nut" used in a way which includes peanuts (and why it's important)
gigastasio@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 27d
Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 28d
Ariselas@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 28d
and me the tired TA grading that paper specifically skimming the essay for the key words "cold pressed".
UpAndAtThem@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 27d
Fill up olive the space you're given.
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 27d
🥁🐍
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 27d
Kuzco's poison
Yaky@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 27d
The shape goes into the shape press that presses the shape into pressed shape.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 2 pts · 27d
Shhhh! Stop saying that word!!!! You'll draw attention from uncle Sam!
sundray@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 28d
'TYPICAL VALUES''ASS OLD'Ertain@mast.linuxgamecast.com · 2 pts · 27d
@OriginEnergySux Yep, I use to do that in college.
raman_klogius@ani.social · 1 pts · 27d
Fat, of which saturates?
uberfreeza@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 27d
When there wasn't a word count, but instead a page count, I increased the size of periods to make wider spaces between lines, just by a point or two. These types of stupid requirements are why in undergrad, multiple TAs and professors noted that I have a very verbose way of writing.
theo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 27d
Good meme.
I think this is a situation where they can't just call it olive oil due to regulation and they have a set title-summary format in the product range (Essential Waitrose if I recognise the font).
Avicenna@programming.dev · 1 pts · 27d
Here is a simpler explanation of the olive oil content that even the most challanged customers can understand:
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 27d
If it was based on page count, I'd recommend double spacing. Just remember with word count: no contractions. Spell it out!
village604@adultswim.fan · 3 pts · 27d
Nah, double spacing is super obvious.
Increase the font size of punctuation by 1.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 27d
You can tell it's AI because they left out the part about the majority of olive oil is aduterated with cheap vegetable oils.