Massive Attack Banned from Singapore After Displaying Palestine Flag Onstage

https://pitchfork.com/story/massive-attack-banned-from-singapore-after-displaying-palestine-flag-onstage/

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KC_Royalz@lemmy.world · 101 pts · 16h (3 replies)

Love massive attack

Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 11h

I had to reread that headline a few times before I remembered Massive Attack is a band 😑

A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 13h

Ever since the first Gulf war.

Eldritch@piefed.world · 1 pts · 5h

They kinda did tricky dirty. But over all yeah.

ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 63 pts · 16h (10 replies)

Cuz ya know, if there's one thing Singapore is touchy about considering its long historical ties with the Middle East, it's Palestine and the fate of Jews and Arabs there.

Honestly, what do they care? Don't they have other things to worry about on the other side of the planet?

theacharnian@lemmy.ca · 96 pts · 15h (6 replies)

They care about enforcing censorship and keeping a lid on "politics" disrupting "social harmony". Once again Palestine is an issue that unearths the deeper fractures and contradictions in a society.

RustySharp@programming.dev · 28 pts · 12h

Also, guess which middle eastern country regularly sends their officers to train the Singaporean military? Hint: it's not Palestine

Tiral@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 12h (4 replies)

So mini CCP, got ya.

VAK@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 6h

They have put in proper rule of law, so not like ccp. And although it's defacto single party, it's not de jure. But yeah, freedom of expression-wise it's below average.

djsiete@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 8h (2 replies)

CCP is pro Palestine but go off

RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 5h (1 reply)

China is Israel's biggest exporter and 2nd biggest importer

CCP doesn't give a fuck about Gazans or they would embargo, it's just a retorical device for them.

djsiete@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 4h

You're not wrong but you'll notice that all the countries that have made the strongest criticisms toward Israel are present in that list, like Spain and Ireland. Trade and geopolitics aren't always compatible.

NewDark@lemmy.today · 16 pts · 15h

Well, theres this really insane military power that they're close trading partners with that really cares about their little ethnostate vassal.

A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 12h (1 reply)

Don’t they have other things to worry about on the other side of the planet?

Palestine-Singapore is not that far away compared to, say, Palestine-USA.

Tiral@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 12h

USA gives zero shits about Singapore. They try to insert themselves into a narrative to try to feel relevant.

blackbeans@lemmy.zip · 34 pts · 15h

Massive attack is awesome, such a great experience to see their show. Much better than you would expect from a 35+ year old band.

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 16h (7 replies)

But I bet it would been totally cool if they flew an israeli flag.

decolo@piefed.social · 24 pts · 15h

When publicly stating alignment with Israel or Palestine, you have to choose if you want to be hated by the government, or the actual people on the street.

halcyoncmdr@piefed.social · 9 pts · 10h

Possibly, but unlikely.

Singapore has a lot of very strict laws, and they apply them rigorously. Famously their drug possession laws have a ton of prison time, and often the death penalty for trafficking.

From the article, it is a very narrow but all encompassing law, originally passed in 1949 and the last update in 2021 predates the most recent conflict...

The decision is tied to Singapore’s policies on public speech, which prohibit publicly displaying foreign national emblems without a permit or exemption.

https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/FNECDA1949

fizzle@quokk.au · 9 pts · 13h (3 replies)

It always amazes me how different people and entities are held to different standards.

ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · -11 pts · 13h (2 replies)

It's almost as if they are... different things.

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 11h

Yeah. one of them are victims.

the other is the people trying to genocide them into nonexistence and getting away with it.

fizzle@quokk.au · 3 pts · 12h

Ok my comment was very poorly phrased.

Different standards are applied to different countries.

Different standards are also applied to different people.

A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 12h

☝️

zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 30 pts · 12h (3 replies)

I love Singapore, but I have a question. Would you ban a music band, if they waved:

  • 🇺🇸
  • 🇷🇺
  • 🇮🇱
  • 🇹🇼
  • 🇺🇦

Asking for a friend.

SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 7h (2 replies)

According to the article, yes:

The decision is tied to Singapore’s policies on public speech, which prohibit publicly displaying foreign national emblems without a permit or exemption.

You can freely wave the flag of Singapore in Singapore, but for any other national flag, there could be a problem if you don't get permission first.

There's just a lot of weird laws in Singapore.

daannii@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 6h (1 reply)

I mean as long as it's applied universally, I'm not completely against banning flags of other nations.

The problem is when the Israel flag is allowed yet the Palestinians flag isn't.

SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 5h

I think the problem is just having weird laws against freedom of speech, but that's just me.

giraffes@kbin.earth · 20 pts · 8h

Saw their show the other night in Korea where they showed the same flag. The whole show was epic and laid out a lot of uncomfortable truths. The whole show is here for anyone interested: https://youtu.be/mW_c909VqVU

AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 7 pts · 13h (1 reply)

Are they still allowed into the Schengen zone? If so, the German government will have some tough questions to answer regarding its Staatsräson obligations.

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 7h

The German government is apparently blocking EU Sanctions to Israel but that's because it's pretty easy to block things in the EU.

Making the EU actually do things (such as banning this band from entering the Schengen zone) on the other hand is way more difficult since the other ones can block it (which Spain would almost certainly do it on this subject and many others would do simply because they're against blocking people to enter the EU just because one EU nation's government discords with them politically - the bullcrap about criticism of Israel being anti-semitism has very little traction in most of the EU and apparently judging by recent news it has no traction even in the German Justice system).

Wataba@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 7h (1 reply)

Singapore has always given me the creeps because of the whole conscription thing. This just feels indicative of that underlying rot.

RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 5h

They've only had 1 party rule, it's technically a democracy but it's as rigged as it can be without crossing the line into actual rigging.

bobbyfiend@retrolemmy.com · 4 pts · 2h

Badge of honor

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Siegfried@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 8h

Did you know that you can't get a massive attack on Singapore because it is ilegal?