You guys get windows??? There's only one in my entire building with call center style seating arrangements. It's hard to focus on anything when you can hear three different conversations going on.
Shorts are not business "professional". They are only considered "casual"... not business casual... just casual.... Skirts, on the other hand, those are professional.
ok, I am wearing shorts regardless. If they really want me wearing a skirt then fuck it I will start crossdressing at work if necessary. It is too fucking hot to wear long trousers, especially as I cycle to work.
As long as you don't have a shit commute, its alright. My last job after 5 years of fully remote ordered us to start commuting to an office the company didn't even own when I joined.
When I joined the office was a 20 min bike ride away, they moved it to multiple hours of bus, ferry and train travel and then acted surprised when I handed my notice in later that week.
New role is 25 min bike ride and only the very last 200m or so of it is shared with cars, the rest is on a really nice bike route.
Same here with my commute.
Bus is about 25min
Bike can be done (depending on how much I follow traffic rules and traffic in general) in 15-20 minutes. (Also the bus is a hell hole during summer. Both in heat and smell)
During lockdowns I heard this from so many people. I can't say I get it, because I just associate WFH with my work laptop and work notebook, and if I've got those tucked in a backpack well I'm no longer working.
My husband will tell everybody this. He will insist it’s so hard to walk away from work when it’s at home. He hasn’t worked out of his home in 15 fucking years! He couldn’t do it if he tried! He’s just being fucking stupid around people that have to do it. I told him he’s free to go get a job outside the home. Then all of a sudden, oh no, no no.
Just a preventative mental health precaution
It also helps me to maintain my social skills so they wont completely deteriorating.
Keep in mind that everyones mind works differently.
I dislike homeoffice strongly. Too much potential distractions.
I like it as an option though. But I can't imagine myself having to be home 5 days of the week dealing with my tickets alone.
Everyone's different like you say. I like company too but most of the time it's distracting/unpleasant.
It was actually so great to be able to say to people during lockdowns "how you're feeling right now is how I feel every single day of my working life." Those lockdowns were some of the first times I actually got to enjoy working.
You don't need a separate room, just setup some boxes in a dedicated corner. You could even go out and get a coffee or something if you need a little extra to set yourself in work mode.
This is your reminder that in the 90s Homer Simpson and Al Bundy were considered absolute bottom of the barrel losers, and they both had stable jobs, owned their own homes, multiple cars, and raised multiple children on a single income.
The ultra-wealthy hyperclass has been able to shift our focus away from taxing their wealth and make us point our fingers at each other, instead of look up and see the boot from below.
They were not considered the bottom of the barrel losers. They were considered America’s middle class. Or working class depending on how you wanna say it. With Al being the high school football star who had peaked in high school fucking the cheerleader who ended up getting pregnant and here we are it’s just that story. But that’s not bottom of the barrel loser. That’s just a funny joke on what ends up happening to people that peak in high school. I don’t remember home ever being considered a bottom of the barrel loser. I think it Makes more sense saying he was considered extremely obese when now that’s not considered all that fat. Homer was a small business owner. He had a good job.
No, I was there when the beasties were boyd. That was white man loser. Anyone with less was extremely unemployable; hardcore drug addict, very mentally impaired, etc. Used to be, you could just work at Burger King and easily have a couple of shit cars and a shit house after a few years. In the 50s you could get those at the very start of the shit job, and they were new. Then, after a few years you could buy a second property on a river or lake.
Yeah I used to think call center half cubes were bad (I missed the full cube days), then I got switched to an "open concept" office and I'm convinced I did maybe 1 week of full, real work in that office in a total of 5 years. Until lockdowns and suddenly everyone kept working, and even better than before. Obviously no lessons were learned from this.
Work from home is the best, having a office with a door is second, but cube life wasn't that bad, I had fabric walls I could pin stuff to, a little rear view mirror on my monitor, and my own set of file drawers that I didn't have to share with anyone.
I've never had a cubicle job, but my autistic brain thinks it's great, it's like one step below a dedicated office. I can't think of any other way to give a bunch of people pseudo-privacy and a consistent space to keep their stuff.
Open workspaces just sound like a way to cheap out on furniture and remove any pretense of privacy.
I’ve had every type of desk situation - completely open with no barriers, small fabric barriers, and full cubicles. I’ve found that if you get along with your coworkers the open concept isn’t too bad. And if you hate your coworkers anything less than a closed off office isn’t going to help. In a cubicle people can still openly talk to you over the walls and people will pop up behind you at random while your working to ask you questions. My current boss does that and she’ll use the softest voice possible to say hello and then just stand there watching me until I notice.
I typically just want my back to a wall, maybe it's some kind of lingering prey instinct, but even if people can talk over them I like having the wall.
if I must have a cubicle, I have a strong preference for walls I can see over OR walls no one can see over. I've had walls about 5ft tall, where my coworkers could stand a head above them but I couldn't. That was unfair. They'd pop up on any side of my cubicle.
I've also had open concept. That was OK. I was doing QA for an agile dev team and it was nice to just turn to them and ask questions. We had small private rooms for phone calls, meditation, and migraines.
The problem of the cubicle is the lack of privacy. Which is why workers always coveted the offices, with their fancy doors that could close.
The solution to the cubicle, which offered little privacy, seems to have been to just remove the tiny bit of privacy they did offer, and call it a "concept."
Yeah you'll get the "concept" of work from me tyvm.
It's also not a coincidence that a cubicle is designed so your back is to the entrance, whereas most offices are set up so that the person sits behind a desk facing the door.
Yeah, until you get there, the grass is always greener.
I used to fantasize about my walmart stocking job while working at an open-office call center. Whos idea was it to have the person 4 people down from me perfectly audible IN A CALL CENTER
I can't say that these things were great, but at least they are better than the stupid countertops we have now. I'm so over hearing about how they promote collaboration. They don't and collaboration is not needed nor desired 100% of the time. That's the purpose of meetings and meeting rooms.
If they're so fucking great, make the c-suite sit in them full time. No office, no escape to travel all over the place for no good reason. No drawers for anything. No protection from sound, everyone can see your monitors. Go ahead, COLLABORATE ALL YOU LIKE.
They hinder collaboration. Open plan means if I need to talk to someone real quick I can either disturb everyone around or pull them aside into a meeting room. A cubicle means I just walk to their cube and have a quick chat without fear of disturbing anyone else's focus
One place I worked was so overcrowded and loud that everybody on my team was wearing headphones all day long, just to preserve their sanity.
The level of noise and the fact everybody wore headphones to overcome it meant that often the best way to chat with the person sitting within a metre of your desk was by text over signal / google messenger, etc.
That’s the purpose of meetings and meeting rooms.
We had meetings and meeting rooms, but we only went there for required meetings.
I think the kinds of things they were trying to make happen were those informal discussions you sometimes get. That was part of the purpose of having pool tables, ping pong, break rooms with snacks, etc. It was a place where people could bump into each-other without an agenda and talk about what they were interested in without sticking to an agenda.
But, they didn't seem to realize that the physical space was much less than half the requirement. The other half is that people feel happy, safe, energized, confident, relaxed, optimistic, etc. If you're stressed out all day because your workspace is way too crowded and lacks privacy, you're not going to want to do that. If you're worried you're going to be hit in the next round of layoffs, you're not going to want to do that. If you're getting stack ranked against your teammates and put in the lower half of the stack, you're not going to have the confidence to bring up your ideas.
This reminds me of a skeleton I saw in the Tromso Arctic Museum. A teenage boy who had a life of such hard labor, his bones were worn out. How did people do that from their earliest memories until they died?
It's true. It's also true that for our ancestors who toiled in farm fields picking weeds by hand, or risked being mangled by machines in a factory, a cubicle would seem like absolute luxury.
But, comparing ourselves to previous generations of office workers, the only thing that seems similar to what "knowledge workers" have to deal with today are the typing pool / secretarial pool / steno pool from ye olde days:
First job was like this, one cubicle was the size of four of these and one person per corner with 2m space between each desk . Tons of plants all around, cube was next to a window. Temperature was constant, work was easy enough to slack off sometimes weeks at a time.
Privacy wasn't the best, but no one in my 6 years working there could differentiate between me reading a book on the screen and actually working lol. Its just words on the screen, make it look like work and you can do everything. Boss even called me a model worker at a yearly review when I myself thought I might be pushing it too far. Seems I wasn't slacking off nearly enough!
Anyway, I know this isn't indicative of cubicles, but if you're the right type of person, they can be a good place to work. If you can still find any.
/Grabs cheeks. Listen to me!: People like different things! Some people like cubicles, some hate them. Some like open office plans, some hate them. Some like Working from home, some hate it!
I hate open workspaces so much I'll actually decline a position over it.
It's not some minor inconvenience. It's my 2nd home for potentially the rest of my life. Give me my fucking privacy to work. It requires an extra foot of vertical cubicle space and if you can't provide that you're not the kind of organization I want to give the rest of my life to.
Yeah I dream of a full cubicle. I once had an interview that would have put my desk on a factory production floor to ensure that people felt comfortable approaching the engineer with problems. That's what walks are for! Well that and killing time while bored at work
So lately our work has shrunk the cubicles to fit more people and the latest we measured we had a 5'x5' cube with lower walls, the minimum required size for a individual goat pen.
We're no longer cattle, we're goats now but still just a cost account to be slaughtered.
So now we get the worst of both worlds where we're given less space than a convicted criminal and we get to hear everything like an open layout.
73 Comments
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 84 pts · 13d
Still can't beat working from home in my pajamas.
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 22 pts · 13d
First working day in office for couple months, was so fucking shit having to wear pants and shoes on desk
saltesc@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 13d
And getting up earlier to do all the other pre-work bullshit. Getting home later...
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 13d
And during the wintertime, only experiencing daylight through the office window at work
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 13d
You guys get windows??? There's only one in my entire building with call center style seating arrangements. It's hard to focus on anything when you can hear three different conversations going on.
architect@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 13d
Tell your boss daddy I said hi
saltesc@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 12d
You know the Vice Chancellor?
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 13d
In this weather? Fuck that, wearing shorts.
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 12d
Shorts are not business "professional". They are only considered "casual"... not business casual... just casual.... Skirts, on the other hand, those are professional.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 12d
ok, I am wearing shorts regardless. If they really want me wearing a skirt then fuck it I will start crossdressing at work if necessary. It is too fucking hot to wear long trousers, especially as I cycle to work.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 13d
I like to separate my work and living space.
I do not have the luxury of separate spaces.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 13d
As long as you don't have a shit commute, its alright. My last job after 5 years of fully remote ordered us to start commuting to an office the company didn't even own when I joined.
When I joined the office was a 20 min bike ride away, they moved it to multiple hours of bus, ferry and train travel and then acted surprised when I handed my notice in later that week.
New role is 25 min bike ride and only the very last 200m or so of it is shared with cars, the rest is on a really nice bike route.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 13d
Same here with my commute.
Bus is about 25min
Bike can be done (depending on how much I follow traffic rules and traffic in general) in 15-20 minutes. (Also the bus is a hell hole during summer. Both in heat and smell)
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 13d
Ahh, those fun little games of how little will I respect traffic and traffic laws today!
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 13d
During lockdowns I heard this from so many people. I can't say I get it, because I just associate WFH with my work laptop and work notebook, and if I've got those tucked in a backpack well I'm no longer working.
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 13d
Yeah I'm not sure what convinces people to think like this, other than they really just hate their job.
At which point yeah, I guess I get it
architect@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 13d
My husband will tell everybody this. He will insist it’s so hard to walk away from work when it’s at home. He hasn’t worked out of his home in 15 fucking years! He couldn’t do it if he tried! He’s just being fucking stupid around people that have to do it. I told him he’s free to go get a job outside the home. Then all of a sudden, oh no, no no.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 13d
Just a preventative mental health precaution
It also helps me to maintain my social skills so they wont completely deteriorating.
Keep in mind that everyones mind works differently.
I dislike homeoffice strongly. Too much potential distractions.
I like it as an option though. But I can't imagine myself having to be home 5 days of the week dealing with my tickets alone.
And sometimes a bit of company is nice :)
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 12d
Everyone's different like you say. I like company too but most of the time it's distracting/unpleasant.
It was actually so great to be able to say to people during lockdowns "how you're feeling right now is how I feel every single day of my working life." Those lockdowns were some of the first times I actually got to enjoy working.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 13d
You don't need a separate room, just setup some boxes in a dedicated corner. You could even go out and get a coffee or something if you need a little extra to set yourself in work mode.
alsimoneau@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 12d
When you work at home you live at work.
atro_city@fedia.io · 49 pts · 13d
Imagine things being so bad we want what our parents thought was crap.
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 13d
This is your reminder that in the 90s Homer Simpson and Al Bundy were considered absolute bottom of the barrel losers, and they both had stable jobs, owned their own homes, multiple cars, and raised multiple children on a single income.
atro_city@fedia.io · 31 pts · 13d
The ultra-wealthy hyperclass has been able to shift our focus away from taxing their wealth and make us point our fingers at each other, instead of look up and see the boot from below.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 13d
A tale as old as history itself.
ieGod@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 13d
They must love identity politics.
architect@thelemmy.club · 8 pts · 13d
They were not considered the bottom of the barrel losers. They were considered America’s middle class. Or working class depending on how you wanna say it. With Al being the high school football star who had peaked in high school fucking the cheerleader who ended up getting pregnant and here we are it’s just that story. But that’s not bottom of the barrel loser. That’s just a funny joke on what ends up happening to people that peak in high school. I don’t remember home ever being considered a bottom of the barrel loser. I think it Makes more sense saying he was considered extremely obese when now that’s not considered all that fat. Homer was a small business owner. He had a good job.
StaticFalconar@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 13d
This is also a reminder that fictional characters should not be used to gauge metrics of real life.
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 13d
No, I was there when the beasties were boyd. That was white man loser. Anyone with less was extremely unemployable; hardcore drug addict, very mentally impaired, etc. Used to be, you could just work at Burger King and easily have a couple of shit cars and a shit house after a few years. In the 50s you could get those at the very start of the shit job, and they were new. Then, after a few years you could buy a second property on a river or lake.
Again, white men only though.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 27 pts · 13d
Yeah I used to think call center half cubes were bad (I missed the full cube days), then I got switched to an "open concept" office and I'm convinced I did maybe 1 week of full, real work in that office in a total of 5 years. Until lockdowns and suddenly everyone kept working, and even better than before. Obviously no lessons were learned from this.
stopforgettingit@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 13d
Work from home is the best, having a office with a door is second, but cube life wasn't that bad, I had fabric walls I could pin stuff to, a little rear view mirror on my monitor, and my own set of file drawers that I didn't have to share with anyone.
Landless2029@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 13d
Back when I was in IT in a office during covid I flipped the desks around so it was facing out and could see people walk past.
Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 13d
I've never had a cubicle job, but my autistic brain thinks it's great, it's like one step below a dedicated office. I can't think of any other way to give a bunch of people pseudo-privacy and a consistent space to keep their stuff.
Open workspaces just sound like a way to cheap out on furniture and remove any pretense of privacy.
miraclerandy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 12d
I’ve had every type of desk situation - completely open with no barriers, small fabric barriers, and full cubicles. I’ve found that if you get along with your coworkers the open concept isn’t too bad. And if you hate your coworkers anything less than a closed off office isn’t going to help. In a cubicle people can still openly talk to you over the walls and people will pop up behind you at random while your working to ask you questions. My current boss does that and she’ll use the softest voice possible to say hello and then just stand there watching me until I notice.
Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 12d
I typically just want my back to a wall, maybe it's some kind of lingering prey instinct, but even if people can talk over them I like having the wall.
smh@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 12d
if I must have a cubicle, I have a strong preference for walls I can see over OR walls no one can see over. I've had walls about 5ft tall, where my coworkers could stand a head above them but I couldn't. That was unfair. They'd pop up on any side of my cubicle.
I've also had open concept. That was OK. I was doing QA for an agile dev team and it was nice to just turn to them and ask questions. We had small private rooms for phone calls, meditation, and migraines.
AgentSeven@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 13d
I dunno, 100x better? I mean, maybe like 2.5x better. Let's not get carried away. This still fucking sucks.
chefdano3@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 12d
The problem of the cubicle is the lack of privacy. Which is why workers always coveted the offices, with their fancy doors that could close.
The solution to the cubicle, which offered little privacy, seems to have been to just remove the tiny bit of privacy they did offer, and call it a "concept."
Yeah you'll get the "concept" of work from me tyvm.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 12d
It's also not a coincidence that a cubicle is designed so your back is to the entrance, whereas most offices are set up so that the person sits behind a desk facing the door.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 12d
Power games via instincts. Entry in your view: you are in control. Entry in your back: boss is in control.
psion1369@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 13d
For me, it doesn't matter the office plan as long as I'm not working for Private Equity owned retail for less than peanuts.
Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 13d
Yeah, until you get there, the grass is always greener.
I used to fantasize about my walmart stocking job while working at an open-office call center. Whos idea was it to have the person 4 people down from me perfectly audible IN A CALL CENTER
blargh513@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 13d
I can't say that these things were great, but at least they are better than the stupid countertops we have now. I'm so over hearing about how they promote collaboration. They don't and collaboration is not needed nor desired 100% of the time. That's the purpose of meetings and meeting rooms.
If they're so fucking great, make the c-suite sit in them full time. No office, no escape to travel all over the place for no good reason. No drawers for anything. No protection from sound, everyone can see your monitors. Go ahead, COLLABORATE ALL YOU LIKE.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 13d
They hinder collaboration. Open plan means if I need to talk to someone real quick I can either disturb everyone around or pull them aside into a meeting room. A cubicle means I just walk to their cube and have a quick chat without fear of disturbing anyone else's focus
merc@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 12d
One place I worked was so overcrowded and loud that everybody on my team was wearing headphones all day long, just to preserve their sanity.
The level of noise and the fact everybody wore headphones to overcome it meant that often the best way to chat with the person sitting within a metre of your desk was by text over signal / google messenger, etc.
We had meetings and meeting rooms, but we only went there for required meetings.
I think the kinds of things they were trying to make happen were those informal discussions you sometimes get. That was part of the purpose of having pool tables, ping pong, break rooms with snacks, etc. It was a place where people could bump into each-other without an agenda and talk about what they were interested in without sticking to an agenda.
But, they didn't seem to realize that the physical space was much less than half the requirement. The other half is that people feel happy, safe, energized, confident, relaxed, optimistic, etc. If you're stressed out all day because your workspace is way too crowded and lacks privacy, you're not going to want to do that. If you're worried you're going to be hit in the next round of layoffs, you're not going to want to do that. If you're getting stack ranked against your teammates and put in the lower half of the stack, you're not going to have the confidence to bring up your ideas.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 12d
Yeah. Since we've got open office, we don't need meetings anymore, right?
az04@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 13d
This reminds me of a skeleton I saw in the Tromso Arctic Museum. A teenage boy who had a life of such hard labor, his bones were worn out. How did people do that from their earliest memories until they died?
joshchandra@midwest.social · 6 pts · 13d
It all boils down to choice and circumstance, one of those more than the other...
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 13d
You were looking at the skeleton of one of the lucky ones who happened to have the mental fortitude to survive into their teens.
blackberry28@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 13d
So glad I live in germany where the law mandates that every permanent office workplace needs to have access to sunlight
patruelis@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 13d
So true
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 7 pts · 13d
I would actually kill for an office job after spending years working retail 10 hours a day no breaks by myself.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 12d
Brakes are mandated by law
chefdano3@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 12d
That doesn't mean you get them. A "Law" without enforcement is just a written suggestion.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 12d
Yeah :(
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 12d
Not in pennsylvania.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 12d
Jfc what are we doing
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 12d
Suffering
merc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 12d
It's true. It's also true that for our ancestors who toiled in farm fields picking weeds by hand, or risked being mangled by machines in a factory, a cubicle would seem like absolute luxury.
But, comparing ourselves to previous generations of office workers, the only thing that seems similar to what "knowledge workers" have to deal with today are the typing pool / secretarial pool / steno pool from ye olde days:
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 13d
Fully open and fully cube are both bad. Having a small open area for your team with walls keeping other teams out is much better.
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 12d
First job was like this, one cubicle was the size of four of these and one person per corner with 2m space between each desk . Tons of plants all around, cube was next to a window. Temperature was constant, work was easy enough to slack off sometimes weeks at a time.
Privacy wasn't the best, but no one in my 6 years working there could differentiate between me reading a book on the screen and actually working lol. Its just words on the screen, make it look like work and you can do everything. Boss even called me a model worker at a yearly review when I myself thought I might be pushing it too far. Seems I wasn't slacking off nearly enough!
Anyway, I know this isn't indicative of cubicles, but if you're the right type of person, they can be a good place to work. If you can still find any.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 12d
Me too the open room shit has got to go. Some people need private space to function.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 5 pts · 13d
And even open office plan is better than working in the rain.
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 13d
What?! Working in the rain is great! What are you? A dry?
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 12d
Beats working in the rain.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 13d
/Grabs cheeks. Listen to me!: People like different things! Some people like cubicles, some hate them. Some like open office plans, some hate them. Some like Working from home, some hate it!
marcos@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 13d
Nope. Only one of those is true. The other 2 are hated by everybody.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 12d
I hate open workspaces so much I'll actually decline a position over it.
It's not some minor inconvenience. It's my 2nd home for potentially the rest of my life. Give me my fucking privacy to work. It requires an extra foot of vertical cubicle space and if you can't provide that you're not the kind of organization I want to give the rest of my life to.
Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 13d
Much much better than an open office plan.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 13d
Yeah I dream of a full cubicle. I once had an interview that would have put my desk on a factory production floor to ensure that people felt comfortable approaching the engineer with problems. That's what walks are for! Well that and killing time while bored at work
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 12d
So lately our work has shrunk the cubicles to fit more people and the latest we measured we had a 5'x5' cube with lower walls, the minimum required size for a individual goat pen.
We're no longer cattle, we're goats now but still just a cost account to be slaughtered.
So now we get the worst of both worlds where we're given less space than a convicted criminal and we get to hear everything like an open layout.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 13d
Only 40?
MisterFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 9d
I prefer open plan office because I like being around the nice people who I sit with.
Y'all not thinking big enough. Work from home should be possible for everyone in an office job.
And more importantly, you should have democratic control over your workplace, so should be able to decide for yourselves.
Who cares about the open plan offices, we need socialism.