Rimu instantly deletes comment showing other side of story

That’s fair. Even Rimu said the Tesserect dev went too far.

It's definitely whataboutism.

I asked why people use piefed despite the drama, Eldritch's argument was that lemmy devs are bad, and hey, aren't all developers kinda bad?

That's like if I asked why some people like shit on their chest and they said "some of us don't like getting pissed on."

This has got to be the worst use of "straw man" I have seen on lemmy so far. And I've seen some bad ones.

Just a tip, you can't call every argument you don't like a straw man. It has a meaning.

I really don't ask for a HUGE amount, I think:

1. The main maintainer of the codebase isn't a power trippin' bastard (if they are a PTB, then I don't trust them not to surreptitiously inject malicious code into it at some point)

2. The person who owns/runs the instance isn't a power trippin' bastard (if they are a PTB, then I don't trust them not to basically function as a malicious man-in-the-middle attack at some point)

3. The instance isn't hosted in the USA (if it is hosted in the USA, then I don't trust the instance to be resilient against governmental overreach and spying) or any other untrustworthy countries

That's kind of it, really. But so far, I'm struggling to get past point 1. Both Lemmy and Piefed seem to be maintained by nutjobs. I'm honestly considering going back to Reddit. Maybe kbin will be OK...

EDIT: I mean mbin. Apparently kbin is dead.

Have they not hung up men with heads downward, drowned them in sacks, crucified them on planks, buried them alive, crushed them in mortars? Have they not forced them to consume faeces? And, having flayed them with the lash, have they not cast them alive to be devoured by worms, or onto anthills, or lashed them to stakes in the swamp to be devoured by mosquitoes? Have they not thrown them into boiling cauldrons of cane syrup? Have they not put men and women inside barrels studded with spikes and rolled them down mountainsides into the abyss? Have they not consigned these miserable blacks to man-eating dogs until the latter, sated by human flesh, left the mangled victims to be finished off with bayonet and poniard?

I don't know why he chose that name but it seems like a deliberate provocation. That violence begets violence, and still without violence we cannot resist the oppressors. And that you can only liberate yourself and others by getting your hands dirty.

So I think it's hypocrisy to reduce the historical figure Dessalines to a genocidal dictator. To use a thought terminating cliche about simplistic "good vs evil" ethics and derail a discussion that was about something else.

Every time you start a war you accept that war crimes will happen. It is inevitable in wars. There are no clean wars. War is slaughter, and when soldiers or the oppressed are put into extremis some will act like animals.

So how much of the guilt for the massacre lies with the slavers?

Yet liberals pretend that they do not put people into extremis. That their reasons were justified and intentions noble, that their wars and their hands are clean. But violence begets violence.

That is what the name of the user tells me, and what that comment tells me.

Yup, that's the main event under discussion.

I would definitely argue that there's a bit of wiggle room on freed slaves offing their oppressors though. It wasn't just him.

My hindsight take is that it was a justifiable action considering the history of humanity and how slave revolt tends to be handled. Wiping out the overlords instead of exiling them is a form of preemptive strike.

fact remains that not only did he target what had become a minority group on the islands

The American Civil War was actually the oppression of a South American minority group (white European slave owners)

Under the rule of Dessalines, Haiti became the first country in the Americas to permanently abolish slavery.

Kinda weird that you don't mention the whole former slave who led the resistance to abolish slavery and free his country thing.

Do you even know the history of Haiti and why it is globally relevant? You CANNOT divorce that from the context of this.

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This has already been debated on the internet and I'm not an expert so I'm giving up. I guess it boils down to what is a "copyright", and if the source in this case (PyLova) has a copright notice that needs to be copied over. That's beyond my expertise.

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::: spoiler Read this if you want to, but I'm not completely convinced that I'm right

"5". Conveying Modified Source Versions.

You may convey a work based on the Program, or the modifications to produce it from the Program, in the form of source code under the terms of section 4, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:

a) The work must carry prominent notices stating that you modified it, and giving a relevant date.
b) The work must carry prominent notices stating that it is released under this License and any conditions added under section 7. This requirement modifies the requirement in section 4 to "keep intact all notices".
c) You must license the entire work, as a whole, under this License to anyone who comes into possession of a copy. This License will therefore apply, along with any applicable section 7 additional terms, to the whole of the work, and all its parts, regardless of how they are packaged. This License gives no permission to license the work in any other way, but it does not invalidate such permission if you have separately received it.
d) If the work has interactive user interfaces, each must display Appropriate Legal Notices; however, if the Program has interactive interfaces that do not display Appropriate Legal Notices, your work need not make them do so.

A compilation of a covered work with other separate and independent works, which are not by their nature extensions of the covered work, and which are not combined with it such as to form a larger program, in or on a volume of a storage or distribution medium, is called an "aggregate" if the compilation and its resulting copyright are not used to limit the access or legal rights of the compilation's users beyond what the individual works permit. Inclusion of a covered work in an aggregate does not cause this License to apply to the other parts of the aggregate.

Thanks. I'm trying to understand where you're seeing the requirement to give attribution still.

I read this section as "if you use code from an AGPL project (PyLova in this case), then you need to:

a) have a dated commit on the project that is using it (PieFed)
b) keep the license the same
c) the entire project (PieFed) now falls under this license (it does)
d) have legal notices about it being AGPL, unless the original source (PieFed, then PyLova, then PieFed again) don't have them.

Then there's a paragraph about aggregate projects and how the AGPL license doesn't automatically spread to all parts of those projects.

So I'm still confused where it's required to say "Mia was the author". All it's saying is "this is AGPL code -- keep it AGPL and make the code available for others to see."
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