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BunScientist@lemmy.zip · 94 pts · 20h (11 replies)

From what I know, it has to do with the word red covering the purple part of the spectrum long ago, and the "need" for the word purple came out later but purple things that were named red didn't get renamed.

You can look at japanese right now and 青い covers both blue and green, with a relatively recent addition of 緑 to cover only green (thus possibly pushing 青い in the future to be only blue, who knows)

VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 16h (3 replies)

Similarly, the red fox is clearly orange, but English speakers were exposed to that species of fox before developing a word for that specific color. For bonus linguistical oddities, 'orange' was used for the fruit before it was used for the color.

JamieDub86@piefed.social · 7 pts · 13h (1 reply)

Or the red squirrel, which is brown.

TisI@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 10h

And red hair.

metallic_z3r0@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 49m

And the fruit's name is different from other countries' names for it because "a naranj" was misheard as "an orange" and it stuck. Yellow-red wasn't much adopted, though it did exist. Such is language, what a fun collective hallucination.

wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 21 pts · 17h

Yes, the word for greenery/foliage, 青葉, translates to "blue leaves"

Also the green traffic light is called blue

Apytele@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 16h

I already knew this about colors (it's also why "redheads" have orange hair) but I recently dug more into how the musical spectrum and how tones are defined is very similar in it's cultural variance. Another thing is how the cardinal directions are divided radially and how time is counted. Shit counting bases even, most of the imperial measurements are based on either base 12 or base 16 math.

Wild to think that something you grew up with as a fundamental fact of the world might actually be super culturally subjective.

JamieDub86@piefed.social · 9 pts · 13h (3 replies)

Well whys it called Shepherds Pie when it doesnt contain shepherds, or Cottage Pie when its nothing to do with cottages or cottagimg? How about that one...checkmate!!!

alsimoneau@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 6h (2 replies)

And baby powder is never powdered babies!

postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2h

I was similarly let down.

UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 6h

Oh shit! Shouldn't have made my own. Although it is quite good sprinkled on my salad...

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 12h

For bonus points, terms for colors are developed differently but similarly in separate languages: see e.g. ‘Color term’.

Doom@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 15h (4 replies)

Because they are only purple on the inside. Do you think apples are white? Or bananas?

Hupf@feddit.org · 40 pts · 12h

resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 8 pts · 14h

lauha@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 12h

Humans are red so why not?

rumba@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 14h

That's a different variety than my local grocers. Stores near me, the papery outside it brown the red flesh you see there is dark purple for us.

gergolippai@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 13h (1 reply)

in hungarian it's purple onion, you just choose the wrong language :)

webp@mander.xyz · 21 pts · 12h

At least we aren't hungary all the time

RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 38 pts · 20h (22 replies)

why do we call green grapes white

zikzak025@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 20h (10 replies)

Or purple grapes red?

(I'm guessing due to the type of wine they make)

Almacca@aussie.zone · 17 pts · 18h (3 replies)

Don't even get me started on 'white' people.

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 12h (2 replies)

Meanwhile stupid USians subscribe to the literal 19th-century ‘scientific racism’ theory that has ‘Caucasian people’ as something other than deeply tan skin that Caucasian people actually have.

postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2h (1 reply)

They also don't look at the last half of the word too closely.

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 25m

You mean the word ‘Caucasian‘? Sorry, but that's probably unrelated to ‘Asia’. Folk etymology is fun, but it always falls apart in practice.

wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 19h (2 replies)

Grapes don't make wine, silly. They're inert.

NeilNuggetstrong@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 19h (1 reply)

Source?!

postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2h

Table grapes have learned from the chameleon.

anewfox@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 18h

when i say "red grapes," i'm always referring to the ones that are actually red because they have the most satisfying snap when you eat them.

jobbies@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 19h
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hanke@feddit.nu · 8 pts · 19h (10 replies)

Who calls green grapes white..?

Never heard that happen

anewfox@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 18h

two examples: white wine, white grape juice. both are very common. seems to refer to the juice color, not the color of the grape skins.

when they're made into raisins, they're called golden raisins. so "white" isn't even the only one.

zikzak025@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 18h (7 replies)

Might be different in other languages, but English usually divides grapes into red and white for color.

HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 18h (3 replies)

The fuck it does

Equinox1289@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 17h (2 replies)

White Wine

HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 17h

Pink balls

We're talking about grapes?

phar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 17h

That's only because the wine is whitish. Nobody calls the grapes themselves white. And she squeeze the juice out the juice isn't the same color as the skin. I've never heard anyone refer a grapes as white grapes

GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 17h

In English, grapes are green or red.

Wine is not a grape. White wine and red wine refers to the color of the wine. Nobody calls vodka golden because it came from a potato.

otter@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 17h (1 reply)

Which part of the world are you from? I'm in Canada, and we call them green grapes and red grapes

https://www.safeway.com/shop/aisles/fruits-vegetables/fresh-fruits/grapes.html?sort=&page=1&loc=3132

Meanwhile Wikipedia notes '"Black" (dark blue) and "white" (light green) table grapes'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grape

zikzak025@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6h

US. When I go to my local grocery store, they're categorized under white or red.

At least for white, that is indeed how the English Wikipedia classifies different grape cultivars, even ones that aren't intended to make wine. Black is new to me though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultana_(grape)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almeria_(grape)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia_(grape)

Might just be that my grocery store is real local and they do it differently. I try to avoid large chains. But I've always understood white and red to be the technical classifiers of grapes, and the actual color you see with your eyes varies.

I'm also from a wine-producing region, so maybe that has something to do with it as well.

JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org · 3 pts · 13h

Never heard about green grapes. Here in Germany they are called "white grapes" and EN-Wikipedia is also calling them that in english. We are also talking it "white wine" and so on.

poipoiuleon@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 19h (2 replies)

In Spanish we actually call them "cebolla morada" that means purple onion :D

undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch · 13 pts · 19h (1 reply)

I’m bilingual and I always forget which language calls it which, so I get confused looks from everyone.

poipoiuleon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 17h

JAJAJJAJAJAJJA yep it has happened to me

Danarchy@lemmy.nz · 17 pts · 18h (2 replies)

It refers to the communism of the onions

MrChewy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 17h (1 reply)

Like ogres?

dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 12h

We're all pink on the inside

rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 9h

Because the dry outer skin is a rich red colour

fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 19h (3 replies)

We call them purple in Spanish... English has brain damage as per usual.

Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 16h (2 replies)

That's weird, I would have thought you'd call them morado in Spanish.

AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3h (1 reply)

According to someone up thread, it's morada, so I'm guessing onions are female in Spanish?

Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3h

I love them but they make me cry so this checks out.

sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 19h

I spent way too much time sitting in the backseat looking out the window on long family drives wondering why the fuck they kept referring to the orange cheddar cheese as "yellow" cheese. Still kind of annoys me today after decades of getting older and settling down a bit.

Routhinator@startrek.website · 9 pts · 16h

The skin of red onions is reddish to purple. The flesh is purple much like shallots. But the skin sets them apart.

Tiral@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2h (1 reply)

So, this is kinda weird, but general colors didn't have names for a long time. Like in Greek texts by Homer he describes the water color as dark wine color because the name "blue" wasn't a word. So it's possible when they named a "red onion" purple wasn't a color and considered a shade of red.

Also as others have said purple was the color of royalty and they didn't want an association.

postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2h

Cant have pesants eating royal onion now can we?

atx_aquarian@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 12h

Jess and Rob on Words Unraveled talk about color word origins, and their discussion is illuminating about the cultural variance in perception of color. Now I am at peace with all the seemingly weird color names for things.

For a quicker tour, Vox talks about the order that languages fill in color words as cultures begin to refine their distinction.

Speiser0@feddit.org · 8 pts · 16h

The inside is purple, but the outside is red, especially if it's dry.

CubitOom@infosec.pub · 8 pts · 17h

I'm crying

dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 5h

What really gets me is that the compounds responsible for this hue in food are called "anthocyanins" which means "blue flower." I can't even.

its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 19h

I've found the color in a things name usually points to what color dye you can extract from it.

AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 15h

Same reason they call the tree a "Redbud tree."

Barely literate settlers were colonizing and writing home about the beautiful Puple Prule Purlple Lavendaar Red-Bud Trees.

killingspark@feddit.org · 6 pts · 10h

Wait till they find out that some cultures didn't have separate words for green and blue

KulunkelBoom@lemmus.org · 5 pts · 16h

Calm down... calm down... Perhaps consider putting the onions aside and trying a nice parsnip.

gens@programming.dev · 4 pts · 19h (1 reply)

I AM AN ADULT!

yoriaiko@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 10h

Sorry to hear, me too... lets do taxes

weps@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 10h (2 replies)

An orange is about the only thing correctly named

Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 5h

Yeah that'll happen when you name the colour after the fruit.

Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 5h

Blueberry 🫐

Am I a fucking joke to you?

shweddy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 19h

Nobody tell them about red cabbage

MrNesser@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 10h (1 reply)

Because purple isn't a colour

It's the absence of colour your brain cannot interpret so it makes a purple.

Ironrod@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 10h

I doubt whoever named it knew that though

Shoshin@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 17h (3 replies)

We call em Spanish Onions round these parts

nforminvasion@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 16h

That's whack. Spanish Onions refer to something completely different in most places.

https://therustyspoon.com/spanish-onions/

Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 15h (1 reply)

If thats the US (southern drawal accent-typing).. No they arent. Spanish onions are vadalia onions that arent grown specifically in Vadalia, Georgia. Theyre the "sparkling wine, not champagne" of onions

Shoshin@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 14h

Australia

evolatic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 18h

I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but it's a cool read nonetheless.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a71442895/purple-is-fake-research/

Kolanaki@pawb.social · 3 pts · 19h (5 replies)

Because calling them blue onions would be weird.

brownsugga@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19h (4 replies)

isn't that what they call them in germany

MLM@feddit.org · 4 pts · 19h (3 replies)

No. We call them red too

brownsugga@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 18h (2 replies)
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 2 pts · 16h (1 reply)

many more foods are described as blue in southern Germany. Notably, blue onions, blue grapes, and blue cabbage

I grew up in southern Germany and have never heard anyone call those things blue. I've heard of Blaukraut from the tongue twister and been told that it's a different word for Rotkohl but that's it.

brownsugga@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6h

I 100% believe you I just know I heard it somewhere - I think I was watching a YouTube cooking show and they referred to it as blue

Bluewing@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6h

Purple is just an up jump red aimed at royalty

Hikermick@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 12h

Yet purple finches clearly are red

HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 10h

We're not white on the Inside, so why should a red onion have to be red all the way through