Glistening with sweat, displaying their power with every movement - the biceps, the pectorals, the glutes. Appearing through the dust they worked up while performing their task, unphased by the swirl of nature around them, unbound by the chaotic entropy of the multidimensional Coriolis vortex that they themselves stand at the point of, defiant, inevitable. Adorned with bronze, forged from the same Earth they demand fealty of.
It is funny seeing an increase in young men trying to retcon their choice to not pursue higher education by claiming "real men do blue collar work".
My field used to be like 95% men when I started around 20 years ago. I work in medicine, but our specialty uses a lot of heavy machinery and tools to fabricate custom braces and prosthetics. I work at a university hospital and we haven't had a male resident in like 5 years.
It’s funny because if you dip your toes into a lot of blue collar work, you’ll find it still requires (or at least significantly benefits from) college education. I’ve met a few people majoring in landscaping or recreation, there’s a lot of advanced shit to learn. I know I sure as hell couldn’t figure out how to use plants to draw water uphill, but that’s what one of the places I volunteer at is doing with their planting. It’s not just men standing around grunting at each other and doing whatever until it looks decent.
Was sitting in a capstone senior class at my liberal arts university. Happened to be taking it with a bunch of business majors. Some dipshit derails the entire class by saying "why do we need to learn any of this stuff, like history? I just want to make money."
"Haven't you ever heard the phrase about history repeating itself?"
"Well, if it's going to repeat itself, then I'll just learn about it when it happens again."
There was a literal business school like five miles down the road. And this guy chose to enroll in a liberal arts university and stay for four years. I get that the industrialization of higher education gave us that bullshit "go to college in order to get a higher paying job" and so this dude clearly just bought into that. But... again, no one was forcing him to go to a liberal arts school.
Kind of unrelated, but a coworker shared a spreadsheet with me the other day, and instead of dragging down to autocomplete the row number or using ctrl+d, he wrote a “1” then “A1+1” and dragged that down. It kept breaking because the rows had to be rearranged, and if you initially highlighted a modified row before dragging it would propagate the error down.
Excel is legitimately incredibly impressive though. That’s like saying imagine how impressed they would be that we’ve been to space and eradicated diseases.
I’m not a computer person though, so maybe I’m just the easily impressed Sumerian farmer, proving your point.
Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized and functional society. And spreadsheets are just plain cool. I really don't get people who hate spreadsheets. It is literally the best way to organize information.
The disdain for spreadsheets comes from people who don't understand data organization, or people who do.
Tabular data? Good.
Schemaless? Unstructured? Probably maintained by eleventy-four random sales people and an account? Being given to me like it's a gift and expecting me to just magic it into some reporting system? On a recurring basis? No. Please God no.
I can be trusted to use a spreadsheet for my things that I don't share. Other people need to use something that will yell at them when they give it malformed gibberish.
Oh, and executable logic doesn't belong in the same context as data. That shit needs to be able to be told apart from the data.
Spreadsheets are cool. Where they fall apart they fall apart spectacularly from people insisting on using them as an alternative to a database solution, in my experience. It doesn’t generally matter for normal user centric use cases but I’ve also had to perform a post bankruptcy audit on more than one company that trying to over leverage spreadsheets of duplicate, inconsistent, over saturated, and unreliable data was at the very least a significant contributing factor for the doors being shut.
Over ten contract managers all with their own version of a spreadsheet that tracks reportable items for their contracts and gets rolled up to a master spreadsheet via formulas that financial business decisions gets made from is the first immediate example that comes to mind.
Where do you think the infrastructure for society comes from dude? Organization and funding proper enables all the things you like and keeps you from being left in the middle of the wilderness to fend for yourself.
I'm having a hard time understanding this. Is feminity considered a bad thing? Is the use of spreadsheets being looked down on here? Is the trade of grain in ancient Samaria look being looked down on?
45 Comments
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 59 pts · 5h
Funny how some people still cling to feminine = bad.
reksas@sopuli.xyz · 32 pts · 3h
its just shitty people outing themselves
BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 4h
Those manosphere guys only think about strong sweaty broze colored men plowing the fields.
4am@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 3h
Glistening with sweat, displaying their power with every movement - the biceps, the pectorals, the glutes. Appearing through the dust they worked up while performing their task, unphased by the swirl of nature around them, unbound by the chaotic entropy of the multidimensional Coriolis vortex that they themselves stand at the point of, defiant, inevitable. Adorned with bronze, forged from the same Earth they demand fealty of.
What's not to love?
halfapage@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2h
the smell
schmorpel@slrpnk.net · 55 pts · 7h
Just chilling near a river, and before you know it some shithead invents spreadsheets again
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 5h
Explain to me exactly what's wrong with spreadsheets?
adhocfungus@midwest.social · 7 pts · 4h
Spreadsheets are like money. They aren't inherently evil and can even be really cool, but being forced to use them sucks a lot of the fun out of it.
BooBees@fedinsfw.app · 5 pts · 4h
I'm gonna need you to come in Saturday to do some more spreadsheets, mmmk
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 47 pts · 7h
It is funny seeing an increase in young men trying to retcon their choice to not pursue higher education by claiming "real men do blue collar work".
My field used to be like 95% men when I started around 20 years ago. I work in medicine, but our specialty uses a lot of heavy machinery and tools to fabricate custom braces and prosthetics. I work at a university hospital and we haven't had a male resident in like 5 years.
xkbx@startrek.website · 15 pts · 6h
Then who did the surgery on my son??
TheRealKuni@piefed.social · 17 pts · 6h
The surgeon was you all along! And also you’re his mother!
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 6h
It’s funny because if you dip your toes into a lot of blue collar work, you’ll find it still requires (or at least significantly benefits from) college education. I’ve met a few people majoring in landscaping or recreation, there’s a lot of advanced shit to learn. I know I sure as hell couldn’t figure out how to use plants to draw water uphill, but that’s what one of the places I volunteer at is doing with their planting. It’s not just men standing around grunting at each other and doing whatever until it looks decent.
Zirconium@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 5h
Real men dont work at farms, they own farms. Its the farmhands that do the sissy work like plant crops and go to college.
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 7 pts · 3h
Was sitting in a capstone senior class at my liberal arts university. Happened to be taking it with a bunch of business majors. Some dipshit derails the entire class by saying "why do we need to learn any of this stuff, like history? I just want to make money."
"Haven't you ever heard the phrase about history repeating itself?"
"Well, if it's going to repeat itself, then I'll just learn about it when it happens again."
There was a literal business school like five miles down the road. And this guy chose to enroll in a liberal arts university and stay for four years. I get that the industrialization of higher education gave us that bullshit "go to college in order to get a higher paying job" and so this dude clearly just bought into that. But... again, no one was forcing him to go to a liberal arts school.
4am@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 3h
Dumb and reactionary is cool because it's easy, leaving you more time to bro.
I wonder if lead poisoning can be passed down hereditarily?
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 7h
Could you imagine blowing their mind with like, 1999 excel
StillAlive@piefed.world · 20 pts · 7h
"So you do vlookup like this and then drag it down to autofill."
"𒀝𒋗 𒈠 𒀭𒉈 𒁀𒀭𒌅𒈬"
egrets@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4h
xlookup rather than vlookup - we're not living in the Ubaid period.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 3h
Ah, the Index/Match technique, I haven't used this one since Heian era
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4h
Kind of unrelated, but a coworker shared a spreadsheet with me the other day, and instead of dragging down to autocomplete the row number or using ctrl+d, he wrote a “1” then “A1+1” and dragged that down. It kept breaking because the rows had to be rearranged, and if you initially highlighted a modified row before dragging it would propagate the error down.
You’re an engineer, damnit.
Zombiepirate@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 7h
Or how zero could be a number instead of a null value
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 6h
Excel is legitimately incredibly impressive though. That’s like saying imagine how impressed they would be that we’ve been to space and eradicated diseases.
I’m not a computer person though, so maybe I’m just the easily impressed Sumerian farmer, proving your point.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 6h
ftfy
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 6h
Only planet known to support life in the entire universe and all of existence.
Let’s have spreadsheets and taxes and shit.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 5 pts · 2h
Spreadsheets were needed for distribution of stored grain to start.
Taxes were used to make it easier to manage soldiers. It was easier to give them coin instead of managing food and stuff for an army.
If we'd stay away from agriculture, all this could've been prevented.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 4h
Nah, spreadsheets are neat. And we need to tax the rich. Let's maybe do away with AI data centers instead.
ech@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 5h
Your inability to understand the importance of each of those doesn't lend credibility to your disdain of them.
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5h
You for real dude?
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 5h
Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized and functional society. And spreadsheets are just plain cool. I really don't get people who hate spreadsheets. It is literally the best way to organize information.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2h
The disdain for spreadsheets comes from people who don't understand data organization, or people who do.
Tabular data? Good.
Schemaless? Unstructured? Probably maintained by eleventy-four random sales people and an account? Being given to me like it's a gift and expecting me to just magic it into some reporting system? On a recurring basis? No. Please God no.
I can be trusted to use a spreadsheet for my things that I don't share. Other people need to use something that will yell at them when they give it malformed gibberish.
Oh, and executable logic doesn't belong in the same context as data. That shit needs to be able to be told apart from the data.
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 3h
And let's not forget shit! Without shit we'd not have that ancient Sumerian grain! Shit. It's what plants crave!
Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 3h
Spreadsheets are cool. Where they fall apart they fall apart spectacularly from people insisting on using them as an alternative to a database solution, in my experience. It doesn’t generally matter for normal user centric use cases but I’ve also had to perform a post bankruptcy audit on more than one company that trying to over leverage spreadsheets of duplicate, inconsistent, over saturated, and unreliable data was at the very least a significant contributing factor for the doors being shut.
Over ten contract managers all with their own version of a spreadsheet that tracks reportable items for their contracts and gets rolled up to a master spreadsheet via formulas that financial business decisions gets made from is the first immediate example that comes to mind.
ech@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 28m
Where do you think the infrastructure for society comes from dude? Organization and funding proper enables all the things you like and keeps you from being left in the middle of the wilderness to fend for yourself.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 5h
I'm having a hard time understanding this. Is feminity considered a bad thing? Is the use of spreadsheets being looked down on here? Is the trade of grain in ancient Samaria look being looked down on?
What exactly was the point of this post?
adhocfungus@midwest.social · 9 pts · 4h
My reading is that it's an intentionally absurd example to lampoon guys who unironically do the "feminine=bad" schtick.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1h
No, the sexism really doesn’t come across as ironic.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 3h
It's just rectangles. Human urge calls for spreadsheets.
ThePyroPython@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2h
Some children yearn for the mines, and the others for the spreadsheets.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 44m
NickwithaC@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 5h
"something feminine about"
You got a problem with that?
csolisr@hub.azkware.net · 3 pts · 7h
Ah yes, the ancient zoomer from Ancient Sumer
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4h
Spreadsheets are... Feminine...?
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3h
On Roshar, sure. Men are allowed war, farming, and uncovered hands. Women do the thinking, art, and have to cover their left hands.
In the real world, though, no idea what this person is talking about.
BeerStainedBunny@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 3h
What did they even need to write down?
cockmushroom@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 3h
Notes for managing projections and debts