If you want to get technical, they're archaeo-galacto-imperialists, because they still worship the Old Gods from Afar, and continue to serve the unbroken dynasties that sprung from the Old Gods' loins in the days when humanity was still just a bunch of single-celled organisms cruising through space on frozen asteroids.
Of course, they serve as deified emissaries of the Old Gods, giving them a position in the universe incomprehensibly far above us lesser beings who have never even heard of the Old Gods and have no clue where "Afar" even is. But it is a service they render with great pride and deference!
Edit: I see the word "local" was added before "environment" later... To be clear, I'm not advocating keeping cats inside and feeding them vegan food. I was just stating their food has a significant impact on the environment, also if you keep them indoors.
Oh so I guess if we cannot be perfect we should just stop caring. Blocking people who cannot be communicated with on here requires way too much effort and yet I persist...
Like what the fuck is the point in pretending people need to know that nothing is perfect? Everyone obviously already gets that
You're implying something and it's not good. Pretend otherwise all you want, I won't see your messages
I'm implying cats have an effect on the climate because they eat meat. Not telling anyone not to have cats. I'm not sneakily implying anything else. I'm also not saying anything remotely controversial.
That's honestly an awful comparison. Wild predators don't consume more than the environment can sustain, domestic cats represent either an artificial demand for farmed meat, which is bad for the environment, or they hunt themselves which is awful for the environment as well as they're an invasive species everywhere and already the cause of dozens of extinctions.
Then you might as well off yourself too because there’s no way for you to keep living without destroying the environment either… And don’t tell me that you can do it by eating sustainable vegetarian food because we both know that you live somewhere and you clearly have some piece of technology capable connecting to the Internet so you’re just as guilty of environmental destruction is my cat is.
No, the difference is that cats are kept as a fun companion. It's a choice. The choice of killing yourself is a bit different I'd say. That's a false comparison.
I'm not advocating for anyone to have or not have cats because of the environment. There's no problem with any single individual cat, just like there is no problem with an individual owning a car. It is every household having one that is causing problems. But no one is going to forbid a certain individual from owning a car, neither am I judging anyone for owning a cat.
For a choice of having a pet it's worth considering the effect on the environment I'd say. Albeit on a different level than whether one should consider killing him- or herself.
And again, I'm merely replying to a statement made above. I'm not telling anyone what to do.
Look, you’re being an ass and I wish that you would just admit that you’re being an ass. My cat eats in a week what I eat in a meal. There is no comparison and unless you are actually saying that cats should be euthanized then there is no fucking choice but to keep them either.
But it does prevent huge amounts of environmental damage which can be helped, while we cannot help that cats require food. The only thing we could do about that is farm chickens for them or something.
We absolutely could help by not fucking spreading an invasive predator to every corner of this globe just because we find them cute. That's morally reprehensible considering how dangerous cats are to local fauna:
"Introduced rodents and cats are major agents of extinction,
collectively being listed as causal factors in 44% of modern bird,
mammal, and reptile species extinctions."
Well fed cats allowed to roam still stalk and kill prey, it's both instinct and play. Keeping them inside (or under control/on a leash) does prevent damage to the environment.
Most cats are quite content being indoors, it's certainly better for them and the world to keep them indoors. They live much longer as indoor cats as well, and could always still go outside for supervised outside time.
Yep, indoor is much safer and healthier for the cats. It's not like cats have goals and ambitions out in the big wide world. They spend most of their time laying around and doing that on a couch vs under a bush is only meaningfully different in that one location comes with a much higher risk of parasites and being eaten.
Not to mention that it is much easier to monitor the health of indoor cats. Tracking weight, litter box usage, and food and water intake can easily add years to the life of a cat. Though, outdoor cats probably need to worry more about cars and bobcats than kidney disease.
Keeping cats inside is more of a challenge, for sure, but not an insurmountable one. You have to put more effort into enrichment for them, or they'll get bored and destroy everything. We have two VERY active cats we're keeping indoors, and we have to play with them a lot (oh no). We'd like to build a catio, but space is limited.
When cats are stressed (usually meaning they're either really sick or you've screwed up) they may poop anywhere. Also an issue with kittens who haven't learned it yet.
My cat is a long hair and sometimes gets a dingleberry stuck. Sometimes we catch it before it drops off somewhere in the house… sometimes it’s a surprise. Oh the joys of pet ownership.
Anyone seriously debating point 5 needs help, that one is a highspeed ticket towards AI psychosis. LLMs are a health hazard for anyone battling loneliness.
Point 4 is subjective, but given the context of how those generated pictures came to be and what harm they're now causing I'm not up for a debate about that either.
95 Comments
Jestzer@lemmy.world · 100 pts · 2d
I’m not convinced my cat doesn’t support facism.
Zachariah@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 2d
cats are anarchists
Polkira@piefed.ca · 22 pts · 2d
cats are monarchists
Smif_N_Lenin@piefed.social · 11 pts · 2d
Cats are anarcho-monarchists (if more than one cat present)
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 1d
If you want to get technical, they're archaeo-galacto-imperialists, because they still worship the Old Gods from Afar, and continue to serve the unbroken dynasties that sprung from the Old Gods' loins in the days when humanity was still just a bunch of single-celled organisms cruising through space on frozen asteroids.
Of course, they serve as deified emissaries of the Old Gods, giving them a position in the universe incomprehensibly far above us lesser beings who have never even heard of the Old Gods and have no clue where "Afar" even is. But it is a service they render with great pride and deference!
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Anarchy is where everyone serves you? TIL
Zachariah@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
humans are free to not serve cats
not the cats’ fault they’re irresistible
WakeUpSmashPots@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 1d
This sounds like cat propaganda, next you're going to tell us that you're definitely not multiple cats in a trench coat?
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
They expect it though
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 1d
🤏 Supports Facism
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 2d
And you can easily prevent all the damage to the local environment by just keeping your cat inside.
bryophile@lemmy.zip · -9 pts · 2d
And feed them sustainable, vegetarian food?
Edit: I see the word "local" was added before "environment" later... To be clear, I'm not advocating keeping cats inside and feeding them vegan food. I was just stating their food has a significant impact on the environment, also if you keep them indoors.
village604@adultswim.fan · 15 pts · 2d
Cats are obligate carnivores. Feeding them vegetarian food is literally animal cruelty.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 1d
I completely agree, however some cats enjoy eating vegetables
village604@adultswim.fan · 2 pts · 1d
Enjoying eating vegetables, and enjoying eating only vegetables are very different things, though.
bryophile@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 2d
Then there is no animal friendly way to keep cats without damage to the environment
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
Oh so I guess if we cannot be perfect we should just stop caring. Blocking people who cannot be communicated with on here requires way too much effort and yet I persist...
Like what the fuck is the point in pretending people need to know that nothing is perfect? Everyone obviously already gets that
You're implying something and it's not good. Pretend otherwise all you want, I won't see your messages
DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org · 0 pts · 21h
The first comment of this chain literally says:
So no, mybe it's not obvious for everyone and maybe even obvious things need to be said occasionally for oblivious folks.
bryophile@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 2d
I'm implying cats have an effect on the climate because they eat meat. Not telling anyone not to have cats. I'm not sneakily implying anything else. I'm also not saying anything remotely controversial.
Natanael@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 2d
I get that there's a difference with farmed meat and all, but you may as well argue natural wild predators are bad for the environment
DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 21h
That's honestly an awful comparison. Wild predators don't consume more than the environment can sustain, domestic cats represent either an artificial demand for farmed meat, which is bad for the environment, or they hunt themselves which is awful for the environment as well as they're an invasive species everywhere and already the cause of dozens of extinctions.
bryophile@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 2d
The difference between farmed and wild meat is crucial so no I may not as well argue that.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2d
Then you might as well off yourself too because there’s no way for you to keep living without destroying the environment either… And don’t tell me that you can do it by eating sustainable vegetarian food because we both know that you live somewhere and you clearly have some piece of technology capable connecting to the Internet so you’re just as guilty of environmental destruction is my cat is.
bryophile@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 2d
No, the difference is that cats are kept as a fun companion. It's a choice. The choice of killing yourself is a bit different I'd say. That's a false comparison.
I'm not advocating for anyone to have or not have cats because of the environment. There's no problem with any single individual cat, just like there is no problem with an individual owning a car. It is every household having one that is causing problems. But no one is going to forbid a certain individual from owning a car, neither am I judging anyone for owning a cat.
For a choice of having a pet it's worth considering the effect on the environment I'd say. Albeit on a different level than whether one should consider killing him- or herself.
And again, I'm merely replying to a statement made above. I'm not telling anyone what to do.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 2d
Look, you’re being an ass and I wish that you would just admit that you’re being an ass. My cat eats in a week what I eat in a meal. There is no comparison and unless you are actually saying that cats should be euthanized then there is no fucking choice but to keep them either.
bryophile@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 2d
No you only had the choice before you got the cat, I agree it's a bit late to kill it now.
But also: I'm not even telling you to kill your cat, that's your doing.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 2d
The cat showed up under my shed… My choices were take the cat to a euthanizing shelter or keep the cat. Seriously stop being a dumbass.
bryophile@lemmy.zip · -5 pts · 2d
Your specific cat being a rescue says nothing about the significant environmental impact of pet food production
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 1d
Cats are better for the environment than kids and fill some of the same human instincts
bryophile@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
Lol, tell that to a couple who can't have kids. "Just get a cat". See how they respond.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
What is anyone supposed to do with that information? Ie what is your point?
bryophile@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 2d
The point is keeping them inside doesn't prevent all damage to the environment, as a reply to what is said above. Is that not how this works?
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
But it does prevent huge amounts of environmental damage which can be helped, while we cannot help that cats require food. The only thing we could do about that is farm chickens for them or something.
DrunkenDuckling@lemmus.org · 0 pts · 21h
We absolutely could help by not fucking spreading an invasive predator to every corner of this globe just because we find them cute. That's morally reprehensible considering how dangerous cats are to local fauna:
https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1602480113
"Introduced rodents and cats are major agents of extinction, collectively being listed as causal factors in 44% of modern bird, mammal, and reptile species extinctions."
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 9h
I don't have or like cats but what you're saying seems like a very different conversation and I'm not interested in it.
Vandals_handle@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Well fed cats allowed to roam still stalk and kill prey, it's both instinct and play. Keeping them inside (or under control/on a leash) does prevent damage to the environment.
bryophile@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 22h
Yes it prevents some damage, but not all. The pet food industry is resource intensive.
Vandals_handle@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 21h
Ok
bryophile@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 9h
What I was originally replying to. I'm just saying there is a difference between some and all
Codpiece@feddit.uk · -12 pts · 2d
And de-claw them presumably, in the states that still allow it.
Edit for people who didn’t get the context:
I’m not advocating it! I think it’s barbaric, our country made it illegal years ago.
But I also think trapping them indoors and feeding them vegan food is wrong.
Zetta@mander.xyz · 14 pts · 2d
Most cats are quite content being indoors, it's certainly better for them and the world to keep them indoors. They live much longer as indoor cats as well, and could always still go outside for supervised outside time.
chisel@piefed.social · 4 pts · 2d
Yep, indoor is much safer and healthier for the cats. It's not like cats have goals and ambitions out in the big wide world. They spend most of their time laying around and doing that on a couch vs under a bush is only meaningfully different in that one location comes with a much higher risk of parasites and being eaten.
Not to mention that it is much easier to monitor the health of indoor cats. Tracking weight, litter box usage, and food and water intake can easily add years to the life of a cat. Though, outdoor cats probably need to worry more about cars and bobcats than kidney disease.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 2d
That’s like cutting their fingertips off, not their nails.
Codpiece@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 2d
rbos@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 2d
Keeping cats inside is more of a challenge, for sure, but not an insurmountable one. You have to put more effort into enrichment for them, or they'll get bored and destroy everything. We have two VERY active cats we're keeping indoors, and we have to play with them a lot (oh no). We'd like to build a catio, but space is limited.
MonaySimpson@lemmy.ml · 30 pts · 2d
What's with the different set of tick and cross emoji.
Giving made with AI vibes.
errer@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 2d
Clearly a cat made this by mashing the keyboard
bcgm3@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
Or maybe "assisted with work." The chart says they do that.
brown567@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 2d
My guess is the list was originally less comprehensive and someone expanded it using different symbols
Edit: nvm
NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 2d
green background means good, no background means bad
Derpenheim@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 2d
Cats most definitely support fascism, and you cant convince me otherwise
brown567@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 2d
Only if they get to be the dictator XD
devaly@ani.social · 16 pts · 2d
Poops all over your house? Brother I think you forgot about litterboxes.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de · 27 pts · 2d
When cats are stressed (usually meaning they're either really sick or you've screwed up) they may poop anywhere. Also an issue with kittens who haven't learned it yet.
That's why it's only a little (🤏) problematic. :D
devaly@ani.social · 2 pts · 2d
Fair XD, sounded like they pooped all over your house but that's no biggie for you
username@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 2d
my fluffy babies can poop wherever they want <3
devaly@ani.social · 4 pts · 2d
I would prefer for people that do not have cats to know that they can adopt without fearing the catohrrea
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 2d
Fear the catorrhoea a little bit 🤏
Flames5123@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 2d
My cat is a long hair and sometimes gets a dingleberry stuck. Sometimes we catch it before it drops off somewhere in the house… sometimes it’s a surprise. Oh the joys of pet ownership.
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 15 pts · 2d
I'm sure somewhere in time a cat has been partially responsible for deleting a database. It's just another thing to knock over.
SalmiakDragon@feddit.nu · 2 pts · 1d
🤏
SupremeDonut@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 1d
What a nightmare this is to read
nexguy@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
This chart is so bad I give it a huge green x.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
I don't know if that's good, or bad. So I'll give it a yellow squiggly thing.
ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 2d
This shows cats:10 AI:1, not 1 to 0.
rbos@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 2d
There are definitely cats who would support Trump.
huppakee@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 2d
Well as long as they're not allowed to vote we should be fine.
ns1@feddit.uk · 12 pts · 2d
Surely chances are there has been at least one incident of a cat taking out a production database
unknown@piefed.social · 5 pts · 2d
Catgirl, maybe?
AeonFelis@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Regular cat walking on a regular keyboard
Nariom@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 2d
Human : apparently can't settle of on set of tick and cross which makes this a bit confusing vⓋ🆅🇻✅√☑️🗸🗹
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 2d
I looked for red checkmarks to show what's good and what's bad, but those don't exist.
MissJinx@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2d
Cats destroy Environment 🤏 (only if outdoors, even my cat's litter is biodegradable and 100% natural - corn + cassava)
also, I can't confirm that cats don't support facism lol
jobbies@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 2d
Cats assist with work and can work on their own?? I've been misled, time mine got off its backside and earned its catnip.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 2d
Ask a farmer
DaGeek247@fedia.io · 1 pts · 2d
Mine helped me stay focused and stepped in when the rubber duck went on holiday.
huppakee@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
Yes, but cats want cardboard boxes and datacenters dont so we do have a valid argument here to not replace datacenters with cats.
undefinedTruth@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2d
Mine for some reason don't. No idea why.
huppakee@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 2d
So we should replace all datacenters with clones of your cat? Interesting suggestion.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 4 pts · 2d
checkmark and cross being both green throws me off,... why...? also why are the symbols diferent on either side of this comparison?
TheWordBotcher@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
I'm reading it as green symbols are positive whether a check or an 'x' and non-green are negative.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 2d
That was the attempt. Unfortunately there are no red checkmarks.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 2d
"destroys the environment" was a nice touch
daannii@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Destroys furniture. Maybe. Not really the environment at a whole.
except maybe in Australia
UxyIVrljPeRl@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
I would be verry scarred if a cat started taking pictures.
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 22h
My cat says she needs a data center.
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social · 2 pts · 2d
There are those who would fight you on points 4 and 5 on the AI side
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 1d
Anyone seriously debating point 5 needs help, that one is a highspeed ticket towards AI psychosis. LLMs are a health hazard for anyone battling loneliness.
Point 4 is subjective, but given the context of how those generated pictures came to be and what harm they're now causing I'm not up for a debate about that either.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 1d
is a tulpa not a reasonable solution for loneliness?
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 1d
No.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 1d
suit yourself
Stolas@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1d
My cat takes care of me, he cares more for me than anyone else does or ever has.
Alberat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 18h
if you subscribe to cats premium, you get 2 extra tbs