Right, in cases where an acronym is pronounced as word it generally follows the normal convention of the letters that form the word. Which would STILL result in the same pronunciation as "g" in graphics or gun.
Of course accepted convention and tradition can also matter. If a word is generally pronounced a certain way then that is how its pronounced. Which of course STILL gives us the soft G.
Except they don't. The vast majority of acronyms have at least one letter that's pronounced differently than in the word it's representing. Any correlation is purely coincidental.
So occasionally one letter doesnt fit with the rest... doesnt that mean that the rule is not absolute and my statement is correct? That often the originating phrase contributes and often it does not, and that neither is exclusive to the other?
i like how my intentionally shitty spelling of "photographic" has made my unintentional use of the word "interchange" instead of "exchange" fly under the radar.
The creator of the format says Jif. I'm not saying that makes it right, but would you lose respect for him hearing him refer to the thing he made the way he named it?
Afterward he would sip a gin and tonic while reading about giant giraffes. Absolutely gigantic. Ginormous even. It would always send him into a fit of raging laughter.
I'd like you to point at the rule that's says G MUST be a hard consonant if F comes after I. You can just say you prefer it for arbitrary reasons instead of trying to justify it with nonsense, especially with 99% evidence for that claim would be different forms of the word "gift". :P
The point is that there is absolutely no precedent for a soft G in that situation. The question is "Would you say that it was pronounced "jif" if the creator hadn't said it was pronounced that way?", and you'd have to look at what already exists in English and conclude that, no, you wouldn't pronounce it that way.
For comparison, look at the number of people who pronounce "gibs" with a hard g when it's derived from "giblets" which isn't. There's clearly some kind of rule being followed here, even if it hasn't been strictly codified anywhere.
It could also be that the most commonly used reference point is gift. That doesn't make it a rule, that makes it a reasonable assumption and it would be just as reasonable if your reference point was giraffe. What I'm saying is the only people who are wrong are the people that insist that they are the only correct ones.
I have to disagree with the idea that "giraffe" is equally reasonable as a reference. Yes, it has an F in it, but it's not exactly the third letter, is it?
I say it that way. It comes from reading a article about the brand new graphics format with a included pronunciation., You write/invent it and you get to decide. Not a whole bunch of late comers who weren't even a gleam in their daddies eye when it was developed.
How about we stop policing the pronunciation and use of specific words as a way to feel like we have control over the lack of effective communication elsewhere in our lives?
If it works to get the listener to know what you are talking about? Then what is the issue?
87 Comments
smaximov@lemmy.world · 74 pts · 2d
Jraphics Interchange Format
AnyOldName3@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 2d
The optimal format for interchanging 256-colour palletised animated images of giraffes.
Zorque@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2d
That would be a gift.
aldhissla@piefed.world · 4 pts · 2d
It's pronounced guiraffes.
Davel23@fedia.io · 24 pts · 2d
The pronunciation of an anagram's component words has no bearing on the anagram's pronunciation.
Zorque@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2d
Why not?
egrets@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 2d
I think that question is best posed to the Joint Photographic Experts Group, better known as "jay-fegg".
(For the record, I'm in camp "G as in Graphic", but it's still true that an acronym's source words don't dictate the pronunciation.)
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 6 pts · 2d
Right, in cases where an acronym is pronounced as word it generally follows the normal convention of the letters that form the word. Which would STILL result in the same pronunciation as "g" in graphics or gun.
Of course accepted convention and tradition can also matter. If a word is generally pronounced a certain way then that is how its pronounced. Which of course STILL gives us the soft G.
tal@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 2d
Meanwhile, the GNU Project calls itself "guh-nu" and then chooses a gnu ("nu") as its mascot.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 1d
FTFY
Zorque@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
They dont absolutely define it, but they certainly contribute. Assuming one or the other as sole definer seems silly.
Davel23@fedia.io · 7 pts · 2d
Except they don't. The vast majority of acronyms have at least one letter that's pronounced differently than in the word it's representing. Any correlation is purely coincidental.
Zorque@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
So occasionally one letter doesnt fit with the rest... doesnt that mean that the rule is not absolute and my statement is correct? That often the originating phrase contributes and often it does not, and that neither is exclusive to the other?
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 1d
So what you're saying is, it has no bearing on it
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 1d
Team Giraffe all day everyday
Rakonat@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2d
NASA and LASER would like a word.
lime@feddit.nu · 4 pts · 2d
wait hang on... nasa works. laser is more iffy.
Rakonat@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2d
If you're pronouncing NASA and Aeronautics the same way you're definitely saying one of them wrong.
lime@feddit.nu · 1 pts · 2d
it's a very subtle difference, if you don't count the /æ/ diphthong. i think i could get away with it.
Rakonat@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
Congratulations on proving it's pronounces /jiff/
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 1d
What's wrong with NÆSA?
lime@feddit.nu · 12 pts · 2d
joint pottographics interchange group
nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 2d
Jay-fog is going to be my new
That said it’s still gif (not jiff).
lime@feddit.nu · 1 pts · 2d
i like how my intentionally shitty spelling of "photographic" has made my unintentional use of the word "interchange" instead of "exchange" fly under the radar.
jfig.
nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 1d
And autocorrect ruined my joke too, it was supposed to be Jay-feg.
ITGuyLevi@programming.dev · 1 pts · 2d
MySQL would love this kind of recognition, instead it just gets turned into "My"SQL.
Droechai@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 2d
Mysqueel sounds good though
nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 2d
My Sequel has always been my preference.
lime@feddit.nu · 2 pts · 2d
for those who don't know, the y is pronounced like in "candy". it's named after the creator's daughter, just like the successor project mariadb.
tal@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 2d
Technically the original JPEG container format is "JIF", throwing another wildcard into the mix.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_File_Interchange_Format
lime@feddit.nu · 1 pts · 2d
pronounced "jay-if", naturally
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 1d
It's better than JPhEG
stopforgettingit@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 2d
Once and for all, its pronounced "gif", let this end all the back and forth.
HoopyFrood@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 2d
Thank you for resolving this debate so resolutely
tetris11@feddit.uk · 17 pts · 2d
Oh jod
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1d
There exists .jif files and .gif files. That’s pretty much my entire argument on the subject. If you say “jif” I will assume you mean a .jif.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 1d
This is indisputable
davidgro@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 2d
Oh! My client doesn't animate it if I tap for full image, so I didn't realize it was a jif.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 2d
Every day we stray further from Jod.
uderecife@piefed.world · 3 pts · 1d
"Jod is dead."
Freedrich Kneetzchuh
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 2d
My coworker used "jif" the other day, and man... Did I just like immediately lose respect for her.
I didn't even know I cared, and I didn't say anything... But like, wtf? Lol
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 1d
The creator of the format says Jif. I'm not saying that makes it right, but would you lose respect for him hearing him refer to the thing he made the way he named it?
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 1d
Yes
mrmisses@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
That guns got Sandevistan?
deadcream@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 2d
Jesse Faden would manage it just fine.
egrets@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
I've never heard of Gesse Faden.
deadcream@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 2d
She is the queen of the Oldest House.
palordrolap@fedia.io · 6 pts · 2d
He loved nothing more than jivving jifts to his wife and family at Christmas.
Uncle_Ben@fedinsfw.app · 3 pts · 2d
Actually he was not married at the time, making her his jirlfriend
Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 1d
Afterward he would sip a gin and tonic while reading about giant giraffes. Absolutely gigantic. Ginormous even. It would always send him into a fit of raging laughter.
Charging.
palordrolap@fedia.io · 1 pts · 21h
Not one of those has F or V as the third letter. Name an English word that starts "gif-" or "giv-" where the g is soft. I'll wait.
Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 20h
I'd like you to point at the rule that's says G MUST be a hard consonant if F comes after I. You can just say you prefer it for arbitrary reasons instead of trying to justify it with nonsense, especially with 99% evidence for that claim would be different forms of the word "gift". :P
palordrolap@fedia.io · 1 pts · 11h
The point is that there is absolutely no precedent for a soft G in that situation. The question is "Would you say that it was pronounced "jif" if the creator hadn't said it was pronounced that way?", and you'd have to look at what already exists in English and conclude that, no, you wouldn't pronounce it that way.
For comparison, look at the number of people who pronounce "gibs" with a hard g when it's derived from "giblets" which isn't. There's clearly some kind of rule being followed here, even if it hasn't been strictly codified anywhere.
Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 9h
It could also be that the most commonly used reference point is gift. That doesn't make it a rule, that makes it a reasonable assumption and it would be just as reasonable if your reference point was giraffe. What I'm saying is the only people who are wrong are the people that insist that they are the only correct ones.
palordrolap@fedia.io · 1 pts · 9h
I have to disagree with the idea that "giraffe" is equally reasonable as a reference. Yes, it has an F in it, but it's not exactly the third letter, is it?
Uncle_Ben@fedinsfw.app · 1 pts · 1d
.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
I don't animate with American brand peanutbutter.
Funwayguy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
Oh no, what are you going to do? Send me to gaol?
Hawanja@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Who the hell says "Jif?" Jif is a god damned penut butter.
tal@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 2d
The creators of Jif call it Jif, and they're clearly authoritative!
starik@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 2d
Until 2016, Jiff had 2 f’s.
Harambe Mandela Bad Timeline strikes again!
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I worked with a guy who said jif instead of gif. I stopped talking to him about memes.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I say it that way. It comes from reading a article about the brand new graphics format with a included pronunciation., You write/invent it and you get to decide. Not a whole bunch of late comers who weren't even a gleam in their daddies eye when it was developed.
Hawanja@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
I don't care if he invented it, he's saying it wrong.
Only morons call it "Jif." That's stupid.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Hahahahaha. Look in the mirror. How do you say Giraffe? lol.
Hawanja@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1d
Don't care.
I am right and everyone else is wrong.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
Good for you ride it down in flames.
Oh and that down vote wasn't me.
Hawanja@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I will die on this hill until the day I actually die.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I get it. Lots of people die wrong.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio · 2 pts · 2d
How do you pronounce gibbet?
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2d
With my tongue
Krauerking@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 1d
Krauerking@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 1d
I assume "Jib-bay" because it is french
Uncle_Ben@fedinsfw.app · -1 pts · 2d
So you're saying the 't' at the end of the word 'gift' modifies the 'g' sound?
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio · 2 pts · 2d
Not in _G_eneral, no.
Krauerking@lemy.lol · -2 pts · 1d
How about we stop policing the pronunciation and use of specific words as a way to feel like we have control over the lack of effective communication elsewhere in our lives?
If it works to get the listener to know what you are talking about? Then what is the issue?
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
My problem is that we already have a word jiff, meaning a short amount of time. The overlap in use is minimal, but why add ambiguity.
And don't get me started on to, too, and two.
Krauerking@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 1d
Their, there, they're.
Its ok that you can't tell those words apart.
But also don't ask people to not do what you can't understand? Or do people in wheelchairs boo at the Olympics?
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Eye think my point is two reduce ambiguity is a good thing.
chilicheeselies@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
You say jif don't you.
Krauerking@lemy.lol · 0 pts · 1d
You want an answer for you to judge me by?
Don't care for the argument just what group I belong to, so you can tell if I'm right or wrong already. Lazy.