I was using a etke as a hosting service for a while but it was a bit expensive and I wanted more control. I set it up on my homelab with a VPS running a reverse proxy and like it a lot more. I believe I deployed it with someone's Ansable playbook I found on github.
Make a matrix.org account and play around with it. I hate the Element client though.
The current stand alone client doesn’t allow you to specify a self hosted server though I’m limited to the web interface until there’s a fix, hopefully soon.
Really like fluxer though! Highly recommend it was very easy to set up and looks exactly like Discord.
Not on Linux and the forums said it’s an oversight or bug and would be fixed but not when. Frustrating I am trying to migrate friends but they whine about the web interface.
I’ve been on matrix for over about two years now. There is no noticeable slowness on the client, on any that I tried (and I’ve tried a lot of them), and the chats for our groups open immediately.
There have been 0 encryption errors so far. We use encryption only in private chats and chats where we exchange important data. I have only been on large encrypted rooms (100+) once, and I did have an initial loading phase which took a couple of seconds. One should be able to live with that.
I have brought 12 people including my mother on element. Three of those people are what I consider “techy”, and the rest managed to join and use it by themselves with zero teaching from me (other than giving them the home server URL).
Hating matrix because lots of people are on the flagship server is like hating email because most people use Gmail. It’s not relevant for you. They can use whatever and you can use whatever.
I have a feeling that I have this talk once a month because there are misconceptions and misinformation on matrix. Matrix does have some issues, but these are not it.
I don't know what to tell you, that has been my experience, and the experience of many others I have discussed it with.
Hating matrix because lots of people are on the flagship server is like hating email because most people use Gmail.
Well for one, yes, I absolutely do hate that most people use Gmail. This i s simply not the case with many competing protocols. For another, no, it's not the same, because Gmail makes no illusions of being private.
Matrix has its benefits, but it is not a 1:1 replacement for discord, for one thing they still haven't figured out audio screen sharing. If privacy is your thing, it is also a mixed bag since jitsi is not e2ee while the fluxer video calls are. For my use case fluxer is preferable for less tech savvy people or people who want e2ee video calls, & matrix is good for e2ee chat messages, both have their place, & I use both where their strengths shine
Element call exists and both audio over screen share and encrypted video calls are a thing since couple years now. It’s not a 1:1 discord and it’s good because of that.
I've been trying Fluxer recently and it's been really great. though not as nice as Stoat with emotes, they still give 500 emote slots and 500 sticker slots for servers on the main instance. The mobile app that recently came out are a bit rough around the edges, but works well enough to replace discord for me (if only I could get all my friends on it...)
If they had a super cheap $1 tier just for being able to use custom emotes anywhere, I'd honestly love that. Though I feel like the $5/month for Plutonium is a lot better than $10/month that discord nitro goes for
Yeah, and that's the cool part on Matrix.
It's not really P2P yet, but it's federated (including the storage), and they have a project looking to make it P2P.
If I start getting straight-up locked out of Discord unless I show my face or ID, I'mma just stop using it full stop.
I mean, shit, Discord's already getting ridiculous with their Nitro ads. No, Discord, I don't want Nitro, stop asking me. No needs to start meaning no again.
I'm on a self hosted network that is active almost around the clock, full of chill, wholesome and welcoming people. I can PM details for anyone who wants to come check us out (there is a webchat option, no need to set up a IRC client if you just want to have a look), don't know if advertising is frowned upon here or not and I don't want to spam or upset anyone.
Edit: Since my account is too young to be sending private messages to strangers, I'll add the info here:
The server address is irc.inthemansion.com port: 6697
Join #lobby and say "hello" :)
Web chat can be found on the front page here https://inthemansion.com/ it will by default make you join #lobby. So if you are unfamiliar with IRC, that is the easiest way to try it out.
My problem with irc was not remembering to connect and it not being persistent, so when I did show up it'd be empty unless it just happened to be in the middle of others talking. But I did want to get into it.
Some bouncers need to have the chat history replay set to enabled, some clients need a plugin to replay the history. I use Soju+weechat and had to do a bit of configuring to get it to work, but now it does work fine. Also, some channels have a server side history replay enabled, for example, in our network the main channel replays automagically 15 last messages and you can do a command to replay the last 100 messages.
Mobile support has improved a lot lately. There is a couple of users on the network who only use mobile to chat. Personally I don't use any, so I can't say much about it.
IRC is older than World Wide Web, and unfortunately there wasn't as much innovation over years.
It was designated for a live chat so thought of also storing history and replay it didn't make sense then (the reasoning was that if you needed to send something that's not live, why not use email?)
Though people come up with own adhoc solutions like for example mentioned bouncer, some networks also had memo service where you could leave a message and there were also bots sitting chat history.
If features like these are important to you, I didn't think you will be happy with IRC, adding them would require rearchitecting the whole thing.
You can see for example slack doing it (it is heavily influenced by IRC although it evolved so much that maybe that is less visible now)
I didn't have a chance to play with it yet, but I heard Matrix could be the successor to IRC.
Nothing against IRC, I spent years on it and loved it, but it isn't great if important features for you are things like chart history when you were offline, embedding pictures in chat, threads, audio/video chat etc
Well obviously. At no point did I suggest that IRC can do everything Discord can, or that it can replace the things Discord does. All I said is that it exists and works well.
Well, turns out, I cant send messages because I'm a "very new account or very low reputation" :D
I guess I'll share here, mods can delete the comment if this sort of promotion is not allowed :)
The server address is irc.inthemansion.com port: 6697
I've been using IRC for going on 30 years now and always love finding new/interesting Servers so I would appreciate a PM with details so I can check it out, thanks!
I even found a replacement called Fluxer that let's you import your server and all their channels, plus the livestreams don't run at 2fps like Matrix but my friends still are too lazy to move, it's frustrating.
in the embedded jitsi based calls you can set the screen share fps in its own settings. if your server uses element call, I don't think you need such a setting?
A friend of mine went through the trouble of setting up a whole Matrix server with the Sable client when the first rumblings of this came up late last year.
Everything was made and readily available for everyone one we knew to move over. They just had to make an account and that was it.
Nobody came.
Nobody fucking came.
Its just me and two of my other friends on there, because despite everyone crying how Discord is doing something bad, when it comes to it they have nothing but excuses.
"But all my friends are here..."
"But there's a videogame community I'm part of..."
"I don't understand. It's too complicated..."
"I'll move if it really gets bad..."
ICE in America is using AI profiling to get rid of or straight up murder peoole, trained on data which includes everything the age verification spyware in Discord sends directly to them. But they don't care. Their convenience is lore important than the lives of people.
I run a trans discord server for an IRL group. We've looked at alternatives for obvious reasons, but we're still on discord. All the alternatives we looked at come with some compromises. Often they lack some critical feature of discord. And while self hosting is great for an individual, it becomes a liability for a group as now that one individual has a great deal of responsibility and power over the rest of the group. And some alternatives are no where near as approachable as discord.
None of these problems are insurmountable, but they're also not something that is as easy to brush aside as a lot of tech enthusiasts claim. Our current stance in our group is that we'll stick with discord for now. If they start flagging our channel as adult content and demand ID to access it, at that point we'll select one of the alternatives. The drawbacks of the other platforms aren't deal breakers for us. But at present the hassle of discord's bullshit isn't enough for us to overcome the hassle of the alternatives and the transition. We're aware of alternatives and keeping them in our back pocket, but for now we're sticking with discord.
I have two email addresses that I use to sign up to everything, and they themselves are both over 18 years old. The only thing I've let verify my age is my Microsoft account, and they did that by looking up my email with their "age verification partner" or whatever, and they determined I was over 18.
Not that I was ever planning to give any websites my ID or do any selfie shit with anyone anyway, but now that I know it's completely possible to be verified without all that I definitely won't now. Discord never tried to lock me out, so I guess my account there is old enough? I signed up pretty early when they started. I'll go completely offline before I play along with any of this.
Moved onto Matrix a while ago because of this. Gonna be real, Discord is better but all Matrix asked me for was hardware verification. I fucking hate this ID verification thing. Like we are going to see a sharp spark in identity theft going forward.
...and shit, I might be part of it. I had to verify with an ID to get my CompTIA tests, which I passed. I am still arguing with Pearson to delete my personal data, but I might be in the shitter with all the others getting their identity stolen.
Ha! Well, I'm glad we moved our gaming community off of it when all this kicked off first time round, knowing full well it wouldn't be the last time they tried this shit. We started entirely self hosting our community to focus on user privacy and haven't looked back since.
If people want a link to join, comment or DM, I don't want this to come across like a sales pitch or shill lol
yesterday I even got google AI search summaries quoting Meta AI summaries of people's public facebook comments
like guys I just want to know the fucking difference between these two driveway sealer products, I don't need a 1000 word AI generated food blog post on the incorrect reasons why sealing is important
106 Comments
pycorax@lemmy.world · 86 pts · 13h
Yea I don't buy it
Brennenstein@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 8h
Good. No one should. Not at least after the data breach. I ain't giving them shit.
matt1126@feddit.uk · 15 pts · 9h
That quote from the article also sounds like AI wrote that bit.
thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe · 9 pts · 8h
The whole article was AI written, the headings the "voice" scream AI
Dequei@piefed.social · 75 pts · 19h
My friends and I are in Matrix with the Sable client since march and we are really happy with it.
cristobalpes1@piefed.social · 22 pts · 19h
Can vouch for him. I can't be happier with Matrix & Sable client.
belsedar@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 18h
You self-host or use a public instance? I've been curious about Matrix for a while but never found the time to set it up or find a decent instance
northertech@fedia.io · 6 pts · 15h
I was using a etke as a hosting service for a while but it was a bit expensive and I wanted more control. I set it up on my homelab with a VPS running a reverse proxy and like it a lot more. I believe I deployed it with someone's Ansable playbook I found on github. Make a matrix.org account and play around with it. I hate the Element client though.
Zeoic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 14h
Thanks for mentioning that client! Just gave it a go and its probably the best client I have tried so far
SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev · 4 pts · 16h
My friends and I use Matrix with the the commet.chat client. It is the best.
artyom@piefed.social · 60 pts · 19h
Fluxer continues rapid development and is now self-hostable.
Duchess@piefed.linenoise.vip · 17 pts · 17h
The current stand alone client doesn’t allow you to specify a self hosted server though I’m limited to the web interface until there’s a fix, hopefully soon.
Really like fluxer though! Highly recommend it was very easy to set up and looks exactly like Discord.
Attacker94@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2h
Can't you specify instance when logging into a canary client?
Duchess@piefed.linenoise.vip · 1 pts · 1h
Not on Linux and the forums said it’s an oversight or bug and would be fixed but not when. Frustrating I am trying to migrate friends but they whine about the web interface.
littleomid@feddit.org · 10 pts · 16h
It’s also a slop project. Matrix exists: join it and enjoy the federated future.
artyom@piefed.social · 3 pts · 16h
It's not. Matrix is awful.
littleomid@feddit.org · 2 pts · 8h
Ok go ahead, and please explain why matrix is awful. Please only speak from recent experience.
artyom@piefed.social · 4 pts · 8h
Slow loading, constant encryption errors, difficult to use, and way too many people on the flagship instance.
littleomid@feddit.org · 3 pts · 8h
I’ve been on matrix for over about two years now. There is no noticeable slowness on the client, on any that I tried (and I’ve tried a lot of them), and the chats for our groups open immediately.
There have been 0 encryption errors so far. We use encryption only in private chats and chats where we exchange important data. I have only been on large encrypted rooms (100+) once, and I did have an initial loading phase which took a couple of seconds. One should be able to live with that.
I have brought 12 people including my mother on element. Three of those people are what I consider “techy”, and the rest managed to join and use it by themselves with zero teaching from me (other than giving them the home server URL).
Hating matrix because lots of people are on the flagship server is like hating email because most people use Gmail. It’s not relevant for you. They can use whatever and you can use whatever.
I have a feeling that I have this talk once a month because there are misconceptions and misinformation on matrix. Matrix does have some issues, but these are not it.
artyom@piefed.social · 2 pts · 8h
I don't know what to tell you, that has been my experience, and the experience of many others I have discussed it with.
Well for one, yes, I absolutely do hate that most people use Gmail. This i s simply not the case with many competing protocols. For another, no, it's not the same, because Gmail makes no illusions of being private.
SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev · 1 pts · 1h
What client are you using?
Anachu@leminal.space · 3 pts · 15h
Matrix is cool but the lackluster custom emote support on mobile clients is kind of a deal breaker for me
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 6 pts · 14h
Actually there are plenty of mobile clients with that feature lol.
I do use Extera Next and it does have them.
littleomid@feddit.org · 3 pts · 8h
https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/2545 Exists since 2020. But are custom emotes really the reason that you don’t use matrix?
Attacker94@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2h
Matrix has its benefits, but it is not a 1:1 replacement for discord, for one thing they still haven't figured out audio screen sharing. If privacy is your thing, it is also a mixed bag since jitsi is not e2ee while the fluxer video calls are. For my use case fluxer is preferable for less tech savvy people or people who want e2ee video calls, & matrix is good for e2ee chat messages, both have their place, & I use both where their strengths shine
littleomid@feddit.org · 1 pts · 44m
Element call exists and both audio over screen share and encrypted video calls are a thing since couple years now. It’s not a 1:1 discord and it’s good because of that.
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · -7 pts · 14h
Yeah.
Also Fluxer is closed-source AFAIK.
And they say they will open it, but that just feels like empty words, and even if they did, I know they will use a shitty license as the FSL.
warm@kbin.earth · 16 pts · 14h
It's open source under AGPL 3.0.
However they have worked on stuff privately before pushing it. That is apparently stopping now though, with contributions open again.
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 4 pts · 4h
Oh well, I take back what I said, sorry for the misinformation. At least last time I checked there was no source code.
And about what I said about the FSL license, I'm really traumatized by projects that supposedly open source their code, but with that license.
Anachu@leminal.space · 4 pts · 15h
I've been trying Fluxer recently and it's been really great. though not as nice as Stoat with emotes, they still give 500 emote slots and 500 sticker slots for servers on the main instance. The mobile app that recently came out are a bit rough around the edges, but works well enough to replace discord for me (if only I could get all my friends on it...)
chunes@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 15h
Does it have audio notifications yet? That was my deal-breaker when I tried it 6 months ago.
Anachu@leminal.space · 7 pts · 15h
yep! you can even turn on a notification sound for messages in the current channel while the window is focused
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 9h
It had audio notifications 6 months ago.
chunes@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 9h
Yeah, my bad, I was thinking of Stoat.
Telorand@reddthat.com · -5 pts · 19h
I wish they'd do a cheap "Nitro Classic" style tier, rather than just having only "Nitro Premium".
Anachu@leminal.space · 6 pts · 15h
If they had a super cheap $1 tier just for being able to use custom emotes anywhere, I'd honestly love that. Though I feel like the $5/month for Plutonium is a lot better than $10/month that discord nitro goes for
artyom@piefed.social · -2 pts · 18h
They don't have either.
Telorand@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 17h
It's called Plutonium or something. They do have the equivalent of Nitro.
artyom@piefed.social · 2 pts · 16h
Yes but unlike Discord you can just ignore it.
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 2 pts · 14h
Actually not. They do impose really stupid upload limits.
warm@kbin.earth · 6 pts · 14h
Storage costs build up fast, the real solution is just handling peer to peer file sharing.
Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org · 2 pts · 4h
Yeah, and that's the cool part on Matrix. It's not really P2P yet, but it's federated (including the storage), and they have a project looking to make it P2P.
artyom@piefed.social · 2 pts · 9h
Not stupid at all when you're the one paying for storage.
DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf · 50 pts · 14h
Good thing Matrix and XMPP exist as alternatives.
If I start getting straight-up locked out of Discord unless I show my face or ID, I'mma just stop using it full stop.
I mean, shit, Discord's already getting ridiculous with their Nitro ads. No, Discord, I don't want Nitro, stop asking me. No needs to start meaning no again.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 7h
and Fluxer, it seems the most feature complete
KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 7h
Matrix honestly sucks ass and is full of spambots posting illegal content
Xmpp is too confusing for most people
BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social · 47 pts · 18h
IRC exists and works great! :D
I'm on a self hosted network that is active almost around the clock, full of chill, wholesome and welcoming people. I can PM details for anyone who wants to come check us out (there is a webchat option, no need to set up a IRC client if you just want to have a look), don't know if advertising is frowned upon here or not and I don't want to spam or upset anyone.
Edit: Since my account is too young to be sending private messages to strangers, I'll add the info here:
The server address is irc.inthemansion.com port: 6697
Join #lobby and say "hello" :)
Web chat can be found on the front page here https://inthemansion.com/ it will by default make you join #lobby. So if you are unfamiliar with IRC, that is the easiest way to try it out.
TheMadCodger@piefed.social · 7 pts · 10h
My problem with irc was not remembering to connect and it not being persistent, so when I did show up it'd be empty unless it just happened to be in the middle of others talking. But I did want to get into it.
BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social · 5 pts · 10h
That can be solved with a bouncer. The bouncer stays connected and loads chat history, when you do connect. :)
TheMadCodger@piefed.social · 3 pts · 10h
Maybe it was just the server I tried, but I could never get it to work. Or maybe I configured it wrong 🤷🏼♂️
How's mobile support?
BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social · 3 pts · 10h
Some bouncers need to have the chat history replay set to enabled, some clients need a plugin to replay the history. I use Soju+weechat and had to do a bit of configuring to get it to work, but now it does work fine. Also, some channels have a server side history replay enabled, for example, in our network the main channel replays automagically 15 last messages and you can do a command to replay the last 100 messages.
Mobile support has improved a lot lately. There is a couple of users on the network who only use mobile to chat. Personally I don't use any, so I can't say much about it.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 4m
IRC is older than World Wide Web, and unfortunately there wasn't as much innovation over years.
It was designated for a live chat so thought of also storing history and replay it didn't make sense then (the reasoning was that if you needed to send something that's not live, why not use email?)
Though people come up with own adhoc solutions like for example mentioned bouncer, some networks also had memo service where you could leave a message and there were also bots sitting chat history.
If features like these are important to you, I didn't think you will be happy with IRC, adding them would require rearchitecting the whole thing.
You can see for example slack doing it (it is heavily influenced by IRC although it evolved so much that maybe that is less visible now)
I didn't have a chance to play with it yet, but I heard Matrix could be the successor to IRC.
Nothing against IRC, I spent years on it and loved it, but it isn't great if important features for you are things like chart history when you were offline, embedding pictures in chat, threads, audio/video chat etc
ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 16h
I'd like the details to join if you wouldn't mind pming me. I run a server so I may set it up. Thanks
BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 3h
Implying IRC is in any way replacement for discord is absurd.
BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social · 1 pts · 2h
Yes, I agree. No need to buy nitro, no gif spam, no emoji spam, not relying on one corporations good will. It is indeed much better ;D
BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2h
I've been on IRC for 30+ years. It's great for what it is.
Until it can do voice and screensharing, it's not even in the same ball park.
BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social · 2 pts · 2h
Well obviously. At no point did I suggest that IRC can do everything Discord can, or that it can replace the things Discord does. All I said is that it exists and works well.
Thassodar@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 13h
I would also like the details, if possible.
BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social · 3 pts · 10h
Well, turns out, I cant send messages because I'm a "very new account or very low reputation" :D I guess I'll share here, mods can delete the comment if this sort of promotion is not allowed :)
The server address is irc.inthemansion.com port: 6697
Web chat can be found on the front page here https://inthemansion.com/
Join #lobby and say a greeting :)
rozodru@piefed.world · 3 pts · 6h
I've been using IRC for going on 30 years now and always love finding new/interesting Servers so I would appreciate a PM with details so I can check it out, thanks!
BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social · 1 pts · 6h
My account is too young to be sending private messages, so I'll share the details here:
irc.inthemansion.com port: 6697 #lobby is the main channel
myyass@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 16h
I'm over 400 years old and if you don't believe me, I still use teamspeak.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 16h
Of course you do. Now lets get you back to the home.
myyass@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 13h
That got me a good giggle, thanks
qarbone@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2h
Is the username a reference to Betty?
WindyRebel@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 15h
Bruh, I’m still on ICQ
TheMadCodger@piefed.social · 4 pts · 10h
How many digits is your id?
rozodru@piefed.world · 1 pts · 6h
still remember mine: 18982172
TheMadCodger@piefed.social · 1 pts · 1h
1132418!
goatinspace@feddit.org · 2 pts · 14h
Netscape navigator is the beast in business
spacegoat@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 7h
Discord is perhaps the most unnecessary and readily replaceable service and they don’t seem to realize how short their time is
KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz · 36 pts · 7h
It's absolutely possible to build a discord replacement
The real issue is convincing people to move
arararagi@ani.social · 5 pts · 3h
I even found a replacement called Fluxer that let's you import your server and all their channels, plus the livestreams don't run at 2fps like Matrix but my friends still are too lazy to move, it's frustrating.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3h
in the embedded jitsi based calls you can set the screen share fps in its own settings. if your server uses element call, I don't think you need such a setting?
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 52m
Streaming over Matrix seems to work just fine with me and my friends. Might be the client we're using, or the fact it's a self-hosted server.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 54m
This.
A friend of mine went through the trouble of setting up a whole Matrix server with the Sable client when the first rumblings of this came up late last year.
Everything was made and readily available for everyone one we knew to move over. They just had to make an account and that was it.
Nobody came.
Nobody fucking came.
Its just me and two of my other friends on there, because despite everyone crying how Discord is doing something bad, when it comes to it they have nothing but excuses.
"But all my friends are here..."
"But there's a videogame community I'm part of..."
"I don't understand. It's too complicated..."
"I'll move if it really gets bad..."
ICE in America is using AI profiling to get rid of or straight up murder peoole, trained on data which includes everything the age verification spyware in Discord sends directly to them. But they don't care. Their convenience is lore important than the lives of people.
So fuck them.
GolfFoxtrotLima@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1h
Laughs in stoat and fluxer
kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 3h
there already exist discord clones like fluxer and stoat, but not a lot of people are there yet
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 53m
I wouldn't say Stoat. Too many missing features. Fluxer doesn't have Federation or E2EE yet.
Sable currently is the best drop-in replacement for Discord.
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 38m
I run a trans discord server for an IRL group. We've looked at alternatives for obvious reasons, but we're still on discord. All the alternatives we looked at come with some compromises. Often they lack some critical feature of discord. And while self hosting is great for an individual, it becomes a liability for a group as now that one individual has a great deal of responsibility and power over the rest of the group. And some alternatives are no where near as approachable as discord.
None of these problems are insurmountable, but they're also not something that is as easy to brush aside as a lot of tech enthusiasts claim. Our current stance in our group is that we'll stick with discord for now. If they start flagging our channel as adult content and demand ID to access it, at that point we'll select one of the alternatives. The drawbacks of the other platforms aren't deal breakers for us. But at present the hassle of discord's bullshit isn't enough for us to overcome the hassle of the alternatives and the transition. We're aware of alternatives and keeping them in our back pocket, but for now we're sticking with discord.
tb_@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 7h
Is it though?
I don't mind making another account, but I'll have a hard time convincing many of my friends.
0x0@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 1h
They managed to move to discord at one point, they can do it again
ulkesh@piefed.social · 33 pts · 12h
I'm not verifying my old age with any online service. They can go fuck themselves.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 2 pts · 2h
My discord account itself is 11 years old now, most of my accounts are, but they still need to age check me. What did I set it up which n I was 4?
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1h
Gotta have massive surveillance in a fascist society.
warm@kbin.earth · 27 pts · 14h
All the bullshit aside.
Why does any account that literally cannot be under 18 need to verify their age? On any service.
If the minimum age to create account + account age is at least 18, they are an adult.
PDFuego@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 6h
I have two email addresses that I use to sign up to everything, and they themselves are both over 18 years old. The only thing I've let verify my age is my Microsoft account, and they did that by looking up my email with their "age verification partner" or whatever, and they determined I was over 18.
Not that I was ever planning to give any websites my ID or do any selfie shit with anyone anyway, but now that I know it's completely possible to be verified without all that I definitely won't now. Discord never tried to lock me out, so I guess my account there is old enough? I signed up pretty early when they started. I'll go completely offline before I play along with any of this.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 7h
the discord minimum is 13, unless jurisdiction demands it to be higher (ie 16 in germany and australia)
warm@kbin.earth · 6 pts · 6h
Yeah so, if someone's Discord account is 5 years old, they must be 18. Therefore they should be automatically verified.
(Id verification should be abolished though, crazy we are letting this shit happen)
LeftReddit2@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 13h
Moved onto Matrix a while ago because of this. Gonna be real, Discord is better but all Matrix asked me for was hardware verification. I fucking hate this ID verification thing. Like we are going to see a sharp spark in identity theft going forward.
...and shit, I might be part of it. I had to verify with an ID to get my CompTIA tests, which I passed. I am still arguing with Pearson to delete my personal data, but I might be in the shitter with all the others getting their identity stolen.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3h
what do you mean? I don't think it uses anything like that
qarbone@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2h
They installed "Mathrix" and are now in a someone's botmining network /s
SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev · 1 pts · 1h
What Matrix client are you using?
LeftReddit2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1h
Element.
harrybo93@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 9h
Ha! Well, I'm glad we moved our gaming community off of it when all this kicked off first time round, knowing full well it wouldn't be the last time they tried this shit. We started entirely self hosting our community to focus on user privacy and haven't looked back since.
If people want a link to join, comment or DM, I don't want this to come across like a sales pitch or shill lol
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 7h
yes but ai slop article
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 3h
I'm so fucking tired of AI slop
yesterday I even got google AI search summaries quoting Meta AI summaries of people's public facebook comments
like guys I just want to know the fucking difference between these two driveway sealer products, I don't need a 1000 word AI generated food blog post on the incorrect reasons why sealing is important
alakey@piefed.social · 10 pts · 2h
Literally like they said they would.
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 8h
They moved my local D&D group onto discordia and ended up kicking me out of a session I wanted to attend.
antianarchist@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 9h
Good thing I made a Discord alternative that is using p2p and thus making it impossible to verify the age of any user.
silenttype39@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 1h
Deleted. Too bad.
Teknikal@anarchist.nexus · 4 pts · 57m
I hope it helps boost up Matrix as people look to jump ship, I'm pretty happy with Fluffychat.