Do most Americans vote just based on name recognizing without any thinking of the platform? Or pigeon hole a candidate to one issue and vote for them? Even if that issue is way against beliefs?
I used to be anti-abortion, but then Republicans kept trying to say what I could do with my body while denying me healthcare coverage and I'm like... "Damn this must be what ciswomen go through."
Yup. Bodily autonomy is non-negotiable. Abortions should be legal for the same reason organ donation is opt-in, not opt-out. Nobody, fetus or otherwise, has a right to the use of your body without your ongoing consent.
Once you've donated something you cannot take it back, sure, but you cannot be forced to continue donating against your will.
Could you imagine if someone argued "you agreed to donate plasma on an ongoing basis, and the recipient needs it to live, so you're not allowed to stop donating, even if it could kill you"?
I'm going to go with 'yes' based on an interaction with someone I knew during Trump's first term. She told me she'd voted for him so I asked "Why? You're working class, female and Mexican. You're literally everything he loudly hates and will actively be against your best interests". She said "Because he said he was going to fix taxes".
A few days, maybe a week ago, my uncle said, in desperation, "but they promised to fix the fuel prices!" Without thinking I sort of muttered to myself, "and you believed them like a fucking moron." Good thing I'm a bit bigger than him, I'm pretty sure he would have punched me if I were any smaller lol.
Imagine the dumbest person you know... Millions of voters are dumber than that person. Millions. Why do you think so much money is spent on mud slinging ads and culture war bullshit?
This is exactly true, but never forget that its by design. It's not that the majority of humans are hopelessly stupid and only a special few are smart enough to vote for who will actually improve their life. The education system in the usa has been intentionally gutted and people are fed propaganda telling them they deserve to be rich but [insert minority here] is ruining things for them. This same thing has either already started happening in many other countries or is being planned. Remember education is the foundation of democracy. Support and protect your schools
Honestly I generally vote against, not for. There is not usually anyone I feel really good about voting for. So I vote defensively. It hasn't worked lately.
In the primaries, people will vote for their favorite candidate in the party they're registered with. In the general, you have two choices and one is usually a Democrat and the other Republican. There are a couple "independents" that have made it through. That's how it works in a first past the post voting system. At that point you're likely voting for the lesser of two evils but good candidates can make it through.
It's a shit system, but some people will abstain because they think that a protest non vote in the general is some way of protesting. The math doesn't add up and it's why Trump is president. Too many idiots decided that Kamala wasn't good enough, even though she was clearly, on all levels, better than Trump. I didn't love her, but I knew that if she won, the states and the world would be in a better place. You'll heard those idiots parroting shit about her being pro Isreal, but anyone with half a brain could understand that Trump was going to be far worse for everything, including the Isreal conflict, than Harris.
My aunt told me that if I get the covid vaccine, it means I support every single thing the government does. A lot of people follow this stupid black and white thinking that says you can't vote for a candidate without agreeing with them on every single issue
Bites. It's Biden's mistake in not dropping out early and Kamala's own faults that lead her to lose an election, not the populace reacting to well documented horrors abroad in predictable ways.
Yeah, there's many voters to not understand each election, and if a candidate resigns to not, and she and the party did not in a very calculating fashion, they lose to shit when there are lots of voters that love shit. Their assessment of the people is shit so they'll continue to lose until we all get lined up against the wall by shit.
But she doesn't, most likely. So she should have pandered to the public in some other way, but she didn't. And maybe the best way to refer to someone's gender is not by their junk?
It's hard to predict the whims of the entire public, but generally speaking people will have their one stance/issue that they will not bend on and will vote accordingly rather than weighing the whole platform of the candidate.
This! They seem to be programmed from birth to only vote one way. I get the impression they would be ostracised by family and friends if they voted for the other party.
It’s the only explanation as to why they keep voting the same candidate in. Even when the candidate continually votes against raising the minimum wage, cheaper healthcare, gun control or anything else that would improve the lives of the people they represent.
That might as well be how it is with how things are. The party leaders decide who gets to run and everyone just votes for their one party candidate regardless of how shit they are.
It depends on which level you're talking about. At the federal level, there are generally only two meaningful choices, both selected by the wealthy class in this country and placed there to ensure there's no meaningful change that benefits the poor and working class.
Our only real power is local. Even state-level politics are largely controlled by the rich now.
Yes. It's rare for a US citizen to be in a different political party or religious denomination than their parents. <- not happening by accident
Also, most people I try to have good faith discussions with speak solely in soundbites they heard in their favorite news ecosystem. No critical thought occurring at all.
I would venture to say so. I don't know many people that have time to research the 50 candidates on the preliminary voting sheet. Then the list is still long on whoever gets on the main ballot. And don't forget researching the policies you'll be voting on. Most voters just parrot what they're told and have no idea what they vote for. And adding in, there's no repercussions for candidates that state what they represent and then vote against it after being elected.
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warbond@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 1d
Yes, single-issue voters exist. For many, just saying that you're anti-abortion is enough.
dan1101@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 12h
Or pro gun. I know many people that would never vote Democrat because of guns.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 11h
Or anti-minority. Actually, I think most of the other issues are smokes green these days for people who just hate minorities.
QueenHawlSera@piefed.social · 3 pts · 21h
I used to be anti-abortion, but then Republicans kept trying to say what I could do with my body while denying me healthcare coverage and I'm like... "Damn this must be what ciswomen go through."
neatchee@piefed.social · 7 pts · 18h
Yup. Bodily autonomy is non-negotiable. Abortions should be legal for the same reason organ donation is opt-in, not opt-out. Nobody, fetus or otherwise, has a right to the use of your body without your ongoing consent.
Once you've donated something you cannot take it back, sure, but you cannot be forced to continue donating against your will.
Could you imagine if someone argued "you agreed to donate plasma on an ongoing basis, and the recipient needs it to live, so you're not allowed to stop donating, even if it could kill you"?
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 1d
I'm going to go with 'yes' based on an interaction with someone I knew during Trump's first term. She told me she'd voted for him so I asked "Why? You're working class, female and Mexican. You're literally everything he loudly hates and will actively be against your best interests". She said "Because he said he was going to fix taxes".
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
kettuli@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1d
This isn’t even just an US American issue. Source: the current governnent of Finland.
BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social · 10 pts · 18h
A few days, maybe a week ago, my uncle said, in desperation, "but they promised to fix the fuel prices!" Without thinking I sort of muttered to myself, "and you believed them like a fucking moron." Good thing I'm a bit bigger than him, I'm pretty sure he would have punched me if I were any smaller lol.
kettuli@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 10h
I live such a sheltered life, I don’t have these kinds of events in my life.
BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social · 1 pts · 4h
Just be happy that you don't have moron uncles :D
the_q@piefed.social · 13 pts · 1d
Imagine the dumbest person you know... Millions of voters are dumber than that person. Millions. Why do you think so much money is spent on mud slinging ads and culture war bullshit?
FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe · 5 pts · 10h
This is exactly true, but never forget that its by design. It's not that the majority of humans are hopelessly stupid and only a special few are smart enough to vote for who will actually improve their life. The education system in the usa has been intentionally gutted and people are fed propaganda telling them they deserve to be rich but [insert minority here] is ruining things for them. This same thing has either already started happening in many other countries or is being planned. Remember education is the foundation of democracy. Support and protect your schools
IWW4@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 1d
Do many people vote on candidaes for all the wrong reasons? YES
Triasha@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 19h
Most voters are making their choice based on some combination of inane nonsense and personal greed.
RBWells@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
Honestly I generally vote against, not for. There is not usually anyone I feel really good about voting for. So I vote defensively. It hasn't worked lately.
aramis87@fedia.io · 10 pts · 1d
You vote for the person you want in office in the primaries, and you vote against the person you don't want in office in the generals.
Fondots@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 23h
I registered Republican to vote in their primaries
It's gonna be a cold day in hell before I vote for one in the generals
But I'm hopeful that I can try to head off the worst of the crazies in the primaries before it gets to the general
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
In the primaries, people will vote for their favorite candidate in the party they're registered with. In the general, you have two choices and one is usually a Democrat and the other Republican. There are a couple "independents" that have made it through. That's how it works in a first past the post voting system. At that point you're likely voting for the lesser of two evils but good candidates can make it through.
It's a shit system, but some people will abstain because they think that a protest non vote in the general is some way of protesting. The math doesn't add up and it's why Trump is president. Too many idiots decided that Kamala wasn't good enough, even though she was clearly, on all levels, better than Trump. I didn't love her, but I knew that if she won, the states and the world would be in a better place. You'll heard those idiots parroting shit about her being pro Isreal, but anyone with half a brain could understand that Trump was going to be far worse for everything, including the Isreal conflict, than Harris.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 1d
We 1000% need pluralistic representation rather than winner takes all, but that won't happen until Reconstruction 2.0, I fear.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 2h
My aunt told me that if I get the covid vaccine, it means I support every single thing the government does. A lot of people follow this stupid black and white thinking that says you can't vote for a candidate without agreeing with them on every single issue
zelahdieliekeis@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 23h
Bites. It's Biden's mistake in not dropping out early and Kamala's own faults that lead her to lose an election, not the populace reacting to well documented horrors abroad in predictable ways.
Triasha@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 19h
I mean, I'll never understand letting the psychopath into office as a response to the horror abroad.
zelahdieliekeis@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 13h
Yeah, there's many voters to not understand each election, and if a candidate resigns to not, and she and the party did not in a very calculating fashion, they lose to shit when there are lots of voters that love shit. Their assessment of the people is shit so they'll continue to lose until we all get lined up against the wall by shit.
QueenHawlSera@piefed.social · 2 pts · 21h
Kamala would have won if she had a penis.
zelahdieliekeis@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 20h
But she doesn't, most likely. So she should have pandered to the public in some other way, but she didn't. And maybe the best way to refer to someone's gender is not by their junk?
QueenHawlSera@piefed.social · 1 pts · 20h
If she were a trans man I definitely don't think he would have won.
zelahdieliekeis@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 13h
Okay
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 1d
It's hard to predict the whims of the entire public, but generally speaking people will have their one stance/issue that they will not bend on and will vote accordingly rather than weighing the whole platform of the candidate.
IE: Pro-gun advocates, Evangelical Christians, Pro-life & Pro-Choice, LGBTQ+ community members, etc...
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 5h
Most register either as republicans or democrats and they vote same.
It’s really a team sport.
Psiczar@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 3h
This! They seem to be programmed from birth to only vote one way. I get the impression they would be ostracised by family and friends if they voted for the other party.
It’s the only explanation as to why they keep voting the same candidate in. Even when the candidate continually votes against raising the minimum wage, cheaper healthcare, gun control or anything else that would improve the lives of the people they represent.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2h
If only votes were anonymous and their friends and family didn't have to know how they vote
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
Yup. They find the button that says "select all" and matches their party.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 23h
That might as well be how it is with how things are. The party leaders decide who gets to run and everyone just votes for their one party candidate regardless of how shit they are.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 22h
Yeah. I'd love to vote for a Republican if he earned it by sharing my values. That's when we can start having productive conversations.
MantisToboggon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
I'd never vote for a fucking pigeon.
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d
I'd vote for a dead pigeon before I'd vote for a Republican. At least a dead pigeon can't write bad legislation.
MantisToboggon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Wanna do a double Dutch rudder?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
It depends on which level you're talking about. At the federal level, there are generally only two meaningful choices, both selected by the wealthy class in this country and placed there to ensure there's no meaningful change that benefits the poor and working class.
Our only real power is local. Even state-level politics are largely controlled by the rich now.
timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 23m
30% is the rough turnout in primaries.
By and large people have said they don't give a flying fuck about whatever power they hold.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21m
That's what happens when both parties are a-okay with your family starving.
You stop missing work to vote.
It's not that they don't care. Both parties have made it abundantly clear that workers are powerless.
fratermus@piefed.social · 3 pts · 5h
Yes. It's rare for a US citizen to be in a different political party or religious denomination than their parents. <- not happening by accident
Also, most people I try to have good faith discussions with speak solely in soundbites they heard in their favorite news ecosystem. No critical thought occurring at all.
charokol@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 4h
Guess I have to become MAGA to prove I’m a free thinker
YouTalkinToMe@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 11h
uhhh…I like money
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
All Americans are free to do so.
myyass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 9h
I would venture to say so. I don't know many people that have time to research the 50 candidates on the preliminary voting sheet. Then the list is still long on whoever gets on the main ballot. And don't forget researching the policies you'll be voting on. Most voters just parrot what they're told and have no idea what they vote for. And adding in, there's no repercussions for candidates that state what they represent and then vote against it after being elected.