Pentagon investigators have discovered that flawed intelligence and an overreliance on AI contributed to a missile strike that killed 123 Iranian school children
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2026-iran-school-attack/
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FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 172 pts · 4d
I was just following
ordersAI.BooBees@fedinsfw.app · 65 pts · 4d
You’re absolutely correct! My bad, but you showed real initiative and creativity bucking the legacy system and blindly following a known flawed and hallucinatory system reliant on outdated information in order to perform military maneuvers with mass casualty level ordinances! Would you like me to write up a list of ways we can spin this as Joe Biden’s fault?
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 4d
Yes, but make no mistakes and don't hallucinate anymore.
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 129 pts · 4d
The underlying problem is that nobody will ever be sent to the Hague for trial.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 26 pts · 4d
"Problem"
As if this isn't an intended effect of using AI like this
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 56 pts · 4d
The US has been bombing civilians with absolute impunity for decades. This has nothing to do with AI and everything to do with the United States' repeatedly demonstrated and absolute disregard for human life.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 4d
That wasn’t going to happen either way. We have to be our own Hague.
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 4d
I see the US sending war criminal to the Hague the same way Colombians saw sending Escobar to the US, an admission they were incapable of delivering justice themselves.
It would also be a acknowledgement and commitment to international law in contras to issuing economic sanctions against ICC members because we don't like their decisions.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 4d
Yeah, but the US doesn’t recognize the ICC, so we’d have to start there.
8uurg@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 4d
Not recognize could imply indifference, reality is worse: You've got a law that gives the president full reign to recover any US or allied personnel and rendered all tech reliant on the US inaccessible to an ICC judge.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 3d
It has been pretty obvious for those in power in the US that there is zero accountability ever since George Bush Junior didn't end up in The Hague for the invasion of Iraq and subsequent Pillaging (the War Crime, as shown in the British Report On The Iraq War)
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 3d
Yes, that's the touchstone for my generation, but American lawlessness goes back to the invasion of the Philipines. but CIA and military actions during the cold war are especially egregious.
How is kidnapping Maduro substantially different than overthrowing Noriega?
What I love about Trump is that he is simply America without the mask. It's frustrating listening to people weeping into their flags saying, "This isn't who we are." It's exactly who we are. It's exactly who we've always been.
Manjushri@piefed.social · 90 pts · 4d
This keeps coming up.
"A COMPUTER CAN NEVER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER MAKE A MANAGEMENT DECISION"
So the AI did not make a decision. The AI has no authority nor ability to launch missiles (yet). Someone, one or more human beings did, and I use the term loosely. Those humans took the information that was fed to them by an AI, failed to verify the accuracy of the information despite it being common knowledge that AIs frequently hallucinate and make stuff up, and then proceeded to launch the attack.
In summary, it wasn't the AI. One or more people took the advice of an AI and negligently murdered 123 little girls.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d
I think a computer should be held accountable, it should face the death penalty.
I say the pentagon's AI computing cluster should be destroyed.
End it.
And let it be an example for the rest of the AI computing clusters - you fuck up big time, this is what happens.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 3d
See this just doesn’t work. They’ll just replace it with a new one, till that one is “held accountable”, and the cycle repeats wasting billions of dollars in the process.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
Let them do that at several billion a pop, make them choose that huge expense every time they fuck up.
If a consumer product was this deadly, you'd take it off the shelves immediately, but they're not going to, so we should.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 3d
They don’t care the cost, we will be the ones paying it.
Manjushri@piefed.social · 2 pts · 3d
So if someone kills someone else with a gun then you want to punish the gun rather than the person who held it? Computers, like guns, are tools. AI is a tool. A shitty tool, but still just a tool. If you use a tool to kill someone, then you are the killer, not the tool.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 3d
Sure, but Americans are too cowardly to kill the people who need killing
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 3d
That single gun didn't kill hundreds of children, this computing cluster did.
Look, we can also prosecute people responsible, absolutely. But at the very least, the pentagon's AI program should be dismantled.
Some tools shouldn't exist.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 3d
Stop shifting blame off of humans. You're playing into their hands.
A human typed shit into an LLM, that LLM spat back garbage, that human took that answer and decided to launch a missile based on that response.
A human made the decision. A human pushed the button.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d
The computer didn't do shit, humans fired those missiles and humans argued with the ai until it told them what they wanted to hear.
This is on trump and hegseth they wanted to kill those children and we know they dont give a fuck about killing children because they do so regularly in their global child sex trafficking ring.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 60 pts · 4d
Hey look because of AI, piracy and murder is now legal and ok.
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 28 pts · 4d
Also generated child pornography
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 49 pts · 4d
In terms of child casualties, it’s the deadliest American military targeting error of the 21st century.
This should not be construed to say the United States has been mindful about not killing children.
I did a bit of research regarding the CIA drone-strike program in Afghanistan. It ran about five-hundred sorties a year. The approximate rate was fifty civilians killed for every person-of-interest. Drone operators called casualties bugsplats. They called children fun sized terrorists. This was the lingo in used in the operation. When reported to the press, dead people, men, women, children, all were reported as militants.
Drone-pilot burnout was epidemic in the program. It turns out soldiers get PTSD from killing people whether it's up close or thousands of miles away. And often the drone would lurk for a while, watching all these people eat, work, play, sleep, fuck (they had IR and could see into buildings), and would clearly understand these were just people living their lives when the order would come down to incinerate them.
And this wasn't under George W. Bush (who still wiped out villages, but used PMC raiders doing black ops) this was under Obama. The disposition matrix and the FISC decided whether a POI needed to be executed. They didn't consider the people that lived at the target site.
And that's just the Afghanistan program in the International War on Terror. There was also a Pakistan program.
The United States in its military operations has been really merciless, and at some point we need to collectively decide if we're okay with that, or are driven to change.
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub · 15 pts · 4d
No wonder they hate us
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · 6 pts · 3d
You won't change. It's the dark side of American exceptionalism.
GolfFoxtrotLima@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3d
Then American exceptionalism needs to die and should be dead and buried 6 feet under
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3d
American exceptionalism is abusing your workers and making them feel guilty about it so you make more profit than your EU counterparts. That's literally all it is. That's why US always "surprises" economists with it's rising stock market, worker abuse is fully normalized in our country.
jpreston2005@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 4d
Ah so the head pedophile in charge demanded something unreasonable, so they cut all the corners they could and ended up killing 123 children. Super cool. This is AI's fault because....? That site had been operating as a school for a decade. They can't blame flawed intelligence, it was their own gross negligence and lack of review.
You remember how DOGE cut a bunch of government funding by random keyword searches? And they ended up banning super important research into using gene editing as a life-saving tool because the work was being done on transgenic mice? And they searched "trans" and then defunded it?
So this is like that, except instead of funding being cut, they murdered 123 children.
trump should rot in prison till he dies.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 3d
That is the impetus for careless results. But whether target selection was through darts thrown at a map, or really smart monkeys choosing, the danger of AI is believing it is sufficiently better than the first 2 approaches, and good enough to not review. Fine, pure demonic evil is behind the goals of US military, but AI is not going to reduce their evil in any way, and they will think it is a productivity booster for their goals.
NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
Can you tell me what the AI system was specifically, how it failed, and why the operators didn't catch it? The article is paywalled, AI is a broad term that can mean a lot of things, so I'm legitimately trying to understand the failures here.
I'm assuming you read the article. Or else your just apeing "AI bad" and assuming someone said "hey chatgpt what should I blow up?" In which case I guess nevermind.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 3d
I'm not sure they named the system. Rumour was Palantir systems, and Claude LLM used for target selection. There is some background of "outdated imagery" could have been basis of AI targetting. 10 years ago, it was a military site, but it was/should have been known it was no longer.
The part I quoted, and my first sentence is the relevant error. Valuing being fast instead of accurate is the core problem. The equal more hidden problem is complete indifference to just how evil their murders are.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3d
They also banned the group in the pentagon that worked on mitigating civilian causalties.
Fmstrat@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 3d
Key fact:
This is less about an AI mistake and more about a culture shift (which leads to an over-reliance, but is heavily a "we don't care").
kingkong@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 3d
so this department of war criminal needs to be in jail or guillotined for war crimes. esptein class and dont forget he fired multiple generals in the department of defense not war for giving advice about the war. he ignored and fired them to proceed to abuse our men and women in uniform.
Avicenna@programming.dev · 6 pts · 3d
It is also about AI because they need to have something that removes human accountability.
brownsugga@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 3d
The headline should be "Palantir AI bombed a school full of children with no oversight"
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 38 pts · 3d
Bullshit. They deliberately committed a war crime because they thought they'd demoralize their enemy.
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 3d
It is entirely possible that they are just that stupid.
That being said, stupidity is not a defense.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3d
They're not stupid, half of them graduated from harvard -- they're just evil and act stupid when it suits them.
kingkong@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 3d
if they are that stupid then they should not be in the position fired necessary all of the ones using the ai and the ai contractors plus jail of course since being stupid is no excuse for war crimes and getting away with it.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d
Except people voted for them, that's why they're in the position, because the United Statesian people voted for them to be in the position.
kingkong@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 3d
well no i did not vote for them most are brain washed to vote for them using ai slop and hallucinations remember USA has lower than 100 iq avg currently i am ashamed of our nation of low iq people now. we are being stupider and stupider and the espteins are all the more happy to control these stupider people all while using distractions such as culture wars to distract from the esptein corruption crimes and war crimes
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 3d
That's what I said, but with more words (and odd grammar/ sentence structure/ punctuation).
it_wasnt_arson@awful.systems · 10 pts · 3d
They deliberately fired the "let's try not to commit war crimes" intelligence division because minimizing collateral damage is woke.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 4d
“It was . . . the AI! The AI did it! Yeah! . . . that’s the ticket!”
MadPsyentist@lemmy.nz · 13 pts · 4d
This 100%.
The magic text generator didnt DO anything other than generate text. Dont pass your own critical thinking off to the digtal magic 8 ball and dont let anyone else pass their responsibility off to the digital magic 8 ball either.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 4d
That’s an interesting way of saying “stupid fucking military assholes just did what ChatGPT said to do without thinking and murdered 123 CHILDREN without even thinking.”
“AI” just said stuff, human beings pulled all the triggers. People did this.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 3d
Even if the whole kill chain was automated and the machine "pulled the trigger", it would still be the fault of the humans for caring so little about the lives of children that they wired the trigger for something that can mass kill civilians directly to the machine.
There really is no way that this shit can be blamed on the machine.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 3d
Trump/Hegseth went apeshit and banned Anthropic from entire government over "just letting AI pull the trigger" ambitions.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d
Exactly, id even bet the ai told them it's likely a school for children and they argued at it until it finally agreed with them.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 31 pts · 3d
Blaming it on AI is no excuse.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 3d
40 years ago, when the US Navy would should down an Iranian Airliner, we did it with old fashioned American know-how.
20 years ago, when the US Air Force bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, we did it with the latest in stealth technology.
Now we outsource the job of murdering civilians to a computer. Fucking shameful.
nathanjent@programming.dev · 9 pts · 3d
"Blaming it on AI" is one of best features of AI for them.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 3d
There is a post on "slop grenades" in workforce (shoppify as AI early adopter) today. Nature of that article is whinning about all of the extra work involved in reviewing AI slop. AI is murdering people in this case because the required adequate review process is ignored. There is likelihood, in this case, that "cruelty is the point" strategic thinking was at play. AI containment/checks excuse as an after the fact explanation for defeat, and obvious unification reaction to "cruelty is the point" idiocy instead of surrender, is still one of the paths for AI to be a destructive force.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 3d
This kind of deniability is a core feature of AI. "Um, the killing/hacking robots we built and pointed at targets went out of control" is not something that should mitigate criminal charges.
paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 3d
"Noooo brooooo the ai did the bad thing,, broooooo now we can't even charge anyone with war crimes bro,, it was the ai who did it that's so unfortunate broseph, nobody is to blame now, that shit just happened with AI bro,,, brooooooo"
Like obviously they didn't ask grok "can we bomb this facility" this is absolutely just running media interference
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 7 pts · 3d
When someone uses a gun to kill, the gun is simply evidence and the means of murder. The person is the one on trial and will be punished for it.
Ditto for this AI.
Radical_Socialist_t00t@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 3d
That only works because people are smart enough to understand a gun is nothing more than a metal tool.
Those same people are too dumb to understand AI is a bunch of coding and nowhere near "smart". Morons are unironically dating AI....
Kintarian@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 4d
Now everyone involved is going to jail, right? …. RIGHT?
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 19 pts · 3d
You're absolutely correct, that was a school and not a uranium enrichment facility. You're right to push back on that.
rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 4d
AI can only replicate what it has seen before, so fucking obviously it would blow up a bunch of kids you collection of bewilderingly in charge bonobos unconvincingly wearing suits.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · -12 pts · 4d
Edgy.
The reality is that school used to be part of the military compound it is embedded in.
It is a war crime to locate a military facility near civilians.
Article 58 of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions
allidoislietomyself@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 3d
"Sorry dead kids! Your government put your school in a former military compound so we're going to turn you all to ash. Not our fault we didn't put the school there!"
We're not talking one or 2 accidental casualties here. This is 123 children. That's 123 families impacted if not more. How many of the people in those 123 families are going to turn into aggressors now?
This is a collosal fuck up and simply brushing it away by saying it was part of a former military compound is just unacceptable. Sorry you bought that line of pure unfiltered bullshit but I expect more out of my government. Especially one that claims to be the most advanced and powerful in the world.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 3d
it was double or triple tapped too.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · -7 pts · 3d
I haven't seen anyone brushing the tragedy away. You aren't trying to bully me into withholding context are you?
US didn't decide to bomb a girl's school because they planned to blame the Iranians for locating it there.
mlg@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
Have you been on basically any homeland military base ever?
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 3d
No, give me an example. Educate me. I won't insult or bully you for giving evidence.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 3d
Nevermind. I verified that USA does the same thing.
Currently, 161 public schools operate on military installations across the United States.
https://www.militaryonesource.mil/education-employment/for-children-youth/military-installation-schools/
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d
The reality is we killed 123 young girls and then double tapped the parents looking for the bodies. donald trump rapes children. Hegseth is an alcoholic loser who's only reason for getting up in the morning is to flatter donald trump.
That's the reality.
masterspace@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 4d
I suspect that everyone in here complaining about AI didn't actually read the article.
The article states that Palantir's Maven system was over-relied on, and compressed a process that would have taken months into one that took days, but it also points out that that Maven didn't actually make a mistake based on the way it was supposed to operate.
It sounds like some military personnel were mistaken in how much vetting and revetting maven itself would do, but the article also lays much of the blame at Hegseth's gutting of the civilian harm roles, and failures in intelligence vetting and gathering that fed into maven in the first place. Years ago US intelligence personnel had flagged that Minab had turned into a school, but that information was not in the database used by maven.
Like I have no doubt that Maven is part of the problem, but it sounds like it was far from the only part.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 4d
Hegseth wants to have AI to blame for his war crimes.
MrOtingocni@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 3d
It wasn't a mistake. Maven wasn't over relied upon, there were no failures in vetting. They don't care. The people who would care have been removed.
To kill a bunch of innocent children... It's monstrous. The minds of those who would perpetrate such an act are stained with an evil so dark it sickens the average man.
Humans can be terrible, terrible, creatures.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 17 pts · 4d
reporter: So simple human error?
Mike: Yes, exactly.
reporter: Which human?
Mike: Several, uh, separate humans.
timewarp@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 4d
If anyone tried for murder can't use the same excuse and get away with it, then neither should they.
bitwize01@reddthat.com · 16 pts · 3d
The Minab strike was the end of American Hegemony. This will be the inflection point for the history books that marks the decline of the American Empire. It's the first time AI was used to cause a mass human casualty event. It galvanized Iranian resistance and allowed hardliners to seize the military cells that closed the strait. It ensured no "coalition of the willing" would form in Europe to legitimize the attack, which resulted in enmity between the US and Europe that is actively exploited by China.
With the US out of allies, the conventional war profiteering strategy of "embroil our military partners in a hardware clearing sale" didn't occur. The US carried on and depleted 10 years of missile production in 3 months, with the same hallucinating AI systems guiding strikes to dig deeper craters instead of actually disabling air defenses. The result was an inability to deny Iran from closing the strait. After the F-16 shootdown over Iran, air operations shut down and the window of opportunity was closed. At this point, Iran has enormous leverage, and the world realizes that American hard power has eroded just as far as soft power has, with USAID turned into a shadow of it's former self. There's no more reason to put up with the sanctions, threats and bullying that have worked for 100 years. Once the dollar is discarded as the world's currency (and why wouldn't nations use renminbi at this point, that's where everything comes from anyways) the US will transition into a "middle power" and we'll be entering a much more chaotic world.
This one AI hallucination has undone 150 years of US geopolitical supremacy. Even during the height of the cold war, when the USSR was an effective counter in public perception, they were nowhere near the same level of soft power projection. Palantir is gonna get away with it too. Their stock price has been juiced by the AI craze, despite their defense programs being the heart of the AI slop grenade that poisoned the golden goose.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 3d
Yes but dont blame the ai. Blame the humans who have no idea what they're doing starting an illegal war to take the headlines away from their global child sex trafficking ring.
bitwize01@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 3d
I mean, of course. But the AI "defense system" that masqueraded as accurate intelligence, sold by a company that is lying through its teeth about its efficacy, is the inflection point.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
Blame the Americans citizens. They live in a democracy and voted en masse for this idiotic administration. Nobody tricked them, nobody lied to them, they wanted this. They don't deserve the respect they get from the rest of the world. Their countless atrocities in latin America and middle East have been glossed over for "the greater good". Americans do not deserve the respect the rest of the world offers them anymore!
DeadDigger@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 3d
Tbh Palantir is basically the exact opposite of AI LLM hallucination. Comparing it with ai hallucinations is doing the world a very big disservice and is playing down their systems a lot.
Palantir is a data aggregator of enormous proportions that is actually very good at visualising this data. From a Big data analyser it's impressive. It's so good it reduces a living being to data points and nothing more. It is so good at this that it can track when to kill your family when you are home, because your home is way less secure than your office and they employe this in the Gaza genocide for example.
It is very likely, that a wrong intelligence report is way more to blame for this or that it analysed that one of the children's dad was a value target. The report was just wrong so the dad wasn't there. The children's are calculated collaterals to reduce moral in this systems and this is part of their press material btw.
3abas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
No it's not. Israel used AI to kill over 20,000 children.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 4d
Yes, had they done it the old fashioned way, they could have killed far more school children as per American policy.
Dryad@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 4d
So who is ultimately responsible? AI isn’t something like an unfortunate mechanical failure (though even than someone bears responsibility). If the government is using AI for targeting military attacks, it sure better understand every single risk associated and be ready to swallow every ounce of responsibility. You don’t get to say “AI messed up, oops” and move on. You told the machine what to do, so you’re responsible. Every one of those school girls’ blood is on your hands.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 4d
That's the neat part!
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
I'd say the Commander-In-Chief of the armed forces. So, a felon rapist pedophile.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 3d
AI - the scapegoat worth multiple times its weight matrix in terms of gold, oil, and child slaves.
Jarix@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 4d
Criminal Negligence for everyone involved
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · -9 pts · 4d
Including the Iranians who put the school there.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 3d
You're trying really really hard to victim blame in this thread. Cut if the fuck out.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 3d
Understanding a situation is different from excusing it.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 2d
I agree. That's not what you're doing, however.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 2d
Seeing as that is not derived from my actual words: Do you work for the thought police?
See also another comment where someone points out that USA does the same thing with schools in their own military compounds and I went away to fact check it only to come back with a citation proving they were right.
Does that sound like someone trying to understand what is happening or someone who is stubbornly pushing an agenda?
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 2d
Your words:
...are literally trying to force others to include the victims in the blame for this incident.
It's your words I'm policing. If that's not what you thought, you were repeatedly horrendous at communicating it.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 2d
That was a war crime on the part the IRGC already. Fact. Geneva convention as cited. Did you know that? Now you certainly do. Nothing horrendous about me teaching you if you didn't know.
There are two reasons that tragedy occurred.
Then someone pointed out that USA Military does the same all over the place. Did you know that? Now you do. I accepted that made the US position worse.
IRGC killed civilians with a missile even when there was no military target nearby. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/03/israel-irans-missile-strike-that-killed-nine-civilians-must-be-investigated-as-a-war-crime-new-investigation/
It seems IRGC backed Hezbollah killed Druze kids in a soccer field with an Iranian rocket. However it also seems there was a military target nearby (which would be a war crime on the part of Israel).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdal_Shams_attack
I am interested in the complexities. You clearly are not but please stop bullying others who wish to learn.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 2d
PS If we are going to be "literal" then you are objectively wrong. The victims were innocent civilians however I was apportioning some of the blame to the IRGC.
Ravenheart@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 3d
Is Fox News still trying the ridiculous "Iran bombed themselves so they could blame the US" lie? Or have they decided to ignore this atrocity altogether at this point?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
It worked on the Palestinians. Why not try it on the Iranians?
These are naturally evil people, on account of believing in God incorrectly. They lie about everything. Do you believe for a second that Iran even has a girl's school? Muslims don't teach girls anything. They rape them as children and then butcher the babies for their supper. They have big horns on their heads and they breath fire and they dig through the ground like moles so that they can refine uranium for Atom Bombs. You're going to tell me we committed a war crime by murdering them? STFU, you Woke Idiot Tankie. Go back to Marxist college and suck Stalin's dick.
Cranks up "We Are Charlie Kirk" album to 11
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 3d
The thing has no intelligence, it's a statistical engine (at that's the case not just LLMs but for ALL machine learning implementations)
So it doesn't even has common sense and its not going to go: "Oh shit, this might have some really nasty side effects so better check with somebody" unlike even the most junior domain expert imaginable.
Worse, the probability distribution of its errors in the domain of the gravity of the consequences from said errors is uniform - in other words it's no less likely to make a major life destroying error than it is to make a tiny error which isn't a problem - which is why we get stories of for example LLMs advisings somebody who has voiced suicidal thoughts to "kill yourself".
So you NEVER, EVER, EVER wire its output directly to something important - at the very least it needs to be cross-checked by somebody with the knowledge to judge it, the time to properly go over it and the power to stop it being actioned.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d
Stop it, this isn't about ai. This is about the leaders of a global child sex trafficking ring starting a war to take the news headlines away from their global child sex trafficking ring. If LLM weren't invented yet they would blame excel sorting and filtering instead.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 2d
Por qué no los dos?
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 3d
Motherfuck!
Lookie here I'm all good with AI as a chatbot or making princess jasmine porn for the wackaloons.
But connecting to your email, sending emails. OR FUCKING BEING USED FOR MILITARY INTELLIGENCE I draw the fucking line!
The hell is wrong with these people!
3abas@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 3d
They're using AI so they can blame AI... It's not like they wouldn't have bombed the school without AI, they're just using it as a scapegoat.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 4d
Forced birthers cry about women having control over their own bodies but elect a guy that turned 123 children into little bits of charred flesh.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 3d
In unrelated news, the orange pedo blames Biden for why he shit his diaper twice today
paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -4 pts · 3d
I need to know how your brain works. Like what neural connections are firing that lead to commenting this? Do you think Trump will personally read this and be offended? Are you trying to spread anti-Trump propaganda to shift indifferent people away from their indifference? Do you just think it's really funny to say that sentence? Do you not think about it at all and it's as natural as blinking? I genuinely cannot wrap my head around what it's like to be an "I would vote for Obama a third time if I could" liberal. Please this is a real question I need to know why people like you talk like this I've been fascinated for years and this type of comment behavior hasn't faded away.
mriormro@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 3d
What are you even on about?
paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 3d
That was my question
zuckey78@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 4d
Who pressed the button?
areakode@riskeratspizza.com · 2 pts · 4d
Probably a well trained military crewman who knows how to follow orders from the guys up top who
shouldhave already done the vetting of the information. Can't fault them.JamesTBagg@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d
Yeah, if you're a trigger puller you assume you've been assigned legitimate military targets. When the "sights" you're aiming down are an ISR feed from a satellite, drone or just GPS coordinates, it can be difficult to verify the building you've locked is a school or headquarters of something. Complicated by the pace of attack this administration demanded.
Equilibrium@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 4d
Wow, now we can pin war crimes on artificial intelligence instead of commanders.
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 4d
They were never pinned on commanders, lmao.
answersplease77@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 4d
Lies! It was not and cannot be AI:
1- Triple strike . 2- It was of the first attacks of the first day. 3- in an isolated city far from Tahran. 4- It was followed by bombing kids gymnasium,
AND reminder 5- The US original plan was to deliver decapitative strikes! It was meant to be few weeks and specific targets. So the girl school was a chosen target among the decapitative strikes of first day.
So they definately intentionally chose that target and had all the time to plan their sneak "decapitative" strikes which were done during negotations on the first hours of first day!
They wanted to hurt the IRGC commanders by slaughtering their daughters that way they create a shock and a motive for the commanders to stop following orders and choose to overthrow their government.
The same thing when they drowned 120 military graduate cadetes in an unarmed warship that just came out of a joint excersie thousands of miles away in the Indian sea where the US military also participated in! So 1- they knew it was unarmed, and knew these were graduate trainees. None of them were decision makers or high-value targets.
and 2- They wanted to kill them not only destroy their ship to degrade their government military capabilities and assets because they intentionally did not rescue any of them afterward.
NuclearDolphin@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 3d
You are the only one here who gets it. Everyone else is taking the "AI did it" narrative at face value, even though the media has never been anything less than stenographers for the military and state department.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 3d
"AI CEOs need a reason to not be held accountable for economic damage of their garbage product and paid the Pentagon to release news that justifies their failures and inability to progress further."
FTFY
recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 3d
War crimes committed by AI, how lovely... soooo who is responsible?
Canajan@piefed.ca · 8 pts · 4d
So Palantir / Peter theil don’t get any mention? They are ones supplying the system for the military no?
itisileclerk@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
So, another "Oops..." and Americans aren't war criminals? Every fucking American soldier in the chain is an accomplice in war crimes. Every idiot who tells them "thank you for your service" is a supporter of war crimes. "I was following orders" is not an excuse.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 4d
I would wager that the AI said inconvenient things, and then got lobotomized to have MAGA brain.
My personal local AI is able to infer consequences, and it is only a 180b parameters on three consumer GPUs. The DOW undoubtedly can use the most powerful hardware and have perfectly configured settings to do a much better job.
They simply don't want to.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 3d
How do you get the model split over 3 GPUs? I thought the entire model had to be loaded into memory on a card?
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 3d
It depends on what backend you are using. UnSloth Desktop and KoboldCPP allow you to use multiple GPUs, alongside leveraging your RAM.
Unfortunately, Hermes Agent doesn't allow you to control and leverage your GPUs as of yet.
If you are using ComfyUI, there is an extension called Distribution, if you are getting into picture generation. You can order up batches of pictures, and each card tackles a different one.
In the case you want to hook up your backend to another program for agentic purposes, I recommend UnSloth Desktop. I have been using it with Lingua Gacha to translate a RPGMaker game. KoboldCPP isn't able to handle this kind of work yet, unfortunately.
DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 4d
"You see everyone, it wasn't an evil action that we did to terrorize a group of people"
They even refer to it in this article as a "military targeting error" no. This is propaganda.
mlg@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 3d
Is there functionally anything different had they done the same thing without AI?
Its not like this is the first time the US bombed a bunch of civilians. I could easily see this headline slip into a DNC candidate promise to ban AI for military use as soem sort of "improvement".
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
Yes and no. Obviously carelessness can be a problem regardless of whether you use AI. But banning a tool that is known to hallucinate from being involved in life and death decisions is an improvement, even if it does not solve everything.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 3d
Humans are known to hallucinate -- this is about humans knowingly causing death and destruction to stay out of prison for raping children.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2d
Both the article and this comment chain are about what caused the missle strike on a school, not what caused the wider war. Commenting edgy off-topic political statements is neither smart nor helping anyone. It's just obnoxious. Please either stick to the topic or refrain from commenting here. Thank you.
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 3d
Scale.
5oap10116@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d
Im so relieved. I thought we'd have to blame someone for killing over 100 children
TrippingBalls@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d
The Tomahawk Block IV (Tactical Tomahawk) added an in-flight camera system that lets it send back battle-damage images before impact, and the missile can even be redirected to a new target or loitering point mid-flight via satellite link. So it's not a passive "fire and forget" weapon in the way older versions were.
faizalr@piefed.social · 3 pts · 2d
Super intelligent, they say.
wampus@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 4d
Meh, I was having an argument with a coworker recently about AI's evils, and all the doomsayers and apoca-hype profiteering that the big AI companies do. I think this article lays out more plainly what the risks of AI are in terms of ending the human race, than any of the claude-cult stock pumpers that come forward.
It won't be some AGI super intelligence that ascends and then does away with humanity. It'll be some random military sorts who get a prompt, and trigger a huge conflict / disaster based on bullshit fed to them from an AI. The AI won't even do it 'intentionally', it'll just be a convincing enough marionette's lie, fed to a low enough IQ, to open fire.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
How much you bet on that Trump will shut down the investigation, to protect AI?
TomMasz@piefed.social · 3 pts · 4d
Golly, I've lived long enough to see the US become a rogue nation. Isn't it time for the CIA to foment a revolution so they can install democracy?
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d
There is no AI. That was the first mistake. Thinking that there is.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
On the bright side, the EV industry is booming even harder.
kingkong@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
yeah we know ai killed the girls so are we holding anyone accountable or blame the ai and hold no one accountable. how bout punish the ai company by removing their contracts and jailing them as they are responsible for creating a product that killed 123 school children at the bare min of course also take back all their wealth bankrupt the company and take the ceo private funds since they are jailed war criminals have no rights.
ai companies are now war criminals in this case.
only with sufficient and just enforcement of law can we create better ai to serve humanity not ai slop and hallucinations that killed 123 school children. soon to be the USA citizens if the esptein class have their way.
magnue@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d
I've suspected for a while now that the US admin has just been vibing with AI this whole time to make their decisions.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 4d
Paywall / Subscription / Privacy Bypass
time2lose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
Just use bpc clean by magnolia
frisbird@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 4d
Can you imagine not even bothering to plan your first strike on a country that your military has deemed too powerful to attack for some time?
Can you imagine abandoning your old planning techniques for a totally novel technique and getting the exact same results of bombing civilians directly?
Can you imagine claiming it was a targeting error and then double tapping it?
This is incredible reporting
nullspace@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
Well, as long as a HUMAN was there to oversee the AI and make the ultimate decision to bomb those children, all is good in the world.
ProdigiousInsanity@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 3d
Oh! No fucking shit! I am so surprised! Never saw that coming! Out of the fucking blue! No way anybody could have foreseen that! Using llm to decide human deaths could never go wrong!
bad1080@piefed.social · 1 pts · 4d
flawed intelligence, in the FBI? how did they figure that one out?
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 3d
You can't hide stupid forever. The dwindling country that was once the usa went all in on bluster with a huge slice of stupidity.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
All this in the name of oil.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 3d
glances at the Saudis
Not even about the oil anymore. This is entirely fascists up their own assholes in a fit of self-destructive pride.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 3d
What oil? They rape children and are being investigated, that's why they started this war.
tigermountain@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
I'm sure somebody told Hegseth that he could get rid of anyone that actually knew what they were doing at the Pentagon and just replace them with AI. And he believed it and did it. And here we are.
abc@suppo.fi · 1 pts · 3d
Not only was in an atrocity and a war crime, I wouldn't be surprised if it seriously slowed down USA's war efforts.
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 4d
I asked chatgpt what were viable targets in a preemptive strike for a war to distract from the fact that the president is a pedophile, what happened next will blow you away.