I wonder if you could analyze internet discussions for an effect.
Human Intelligence Sharply Declining
https://futurism.com/neoscope/human-intelligence-declining-trends
https://futurism.com/neoscope/human-intelligence-declining-trends
I wonder if you could analyze internet discussions for an effect.
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A_A@lemmy.world · 104 pts · 1y
Causes :
long covid ?
micro plastics ?
screen time ?
sedentarism ?
fast food ?
lack of sleep ?
other ?
capt_wolf@lemmy.world · 92 pts · 1y
Heavy metal exposure
Sugar
The proliferation of food additives being used that are known to dramatically lower IQ
The gelding of our education system by morons who favor religious dogma over scientific fact
Criminally underfunded schools thanks to political leaders who see investing in future generations as budget waste
Failure to teach children critical thinking skills before exposing them to technology that makes it simpler for them
Being constantly bombarded and overstimulated every waking moment by media
Being chronically overworked and underrested
Climate change
Take your pick. The answer is "probably, yes."
PostaL@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1y
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dutchkimble@lemy.lol · 3 pts · 1y
Everything you said makes sense...except heavy metal exposure. Unless you mean lead or something...
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 1y
I know the phrase is ambiguous but from context they clearly meant actual metal.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
And mercury. And other heavy metals. Theyâre not just neurotoxic but biocumulative so even small exposures over a long time can add up to a lifetime of problems
TheFogan@programming.dev · 32 pts · 1y
idiocracy intro?
(IE the theory it pushed was in short, smart people do family planning, try to wait for everything to be perfect... and forget to get around to having kids).
Meanwhile on the less intelligent spectrum. Shit I'm pregnant again!!!... Oh and I got the girl in the trailer next door pregnant.
Or for a real world example... look at Lauren Boebert, the 35 year old grandmother in congress.
A_A@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
Yes absolutely (and i was afraid to say it out loud).
But now, we have also to explain why it did not so much apply in the past millennias ... or tens of past millenias. (again, i am afraid to say it ... don't want a shitstorm)
TheFogan@programming.dev · 13 pts · 1y
The massive lowering of the bar of "good enough to stay alive". Life expectancy was consistantly in the 30s up until the 1870s. Simply having kids was life threatening... doing so while malnourished even more so.
Natural selection favors traits that increase the odds of having offspring, as well as those that avoid death before having offspring. Avoiding death is a lot easier than it used to be.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
For what it's worth the average life expectancy was 30-something. That didn't mean that everyone, or even the mostly everyone, just dropped dead at 30.
It did, however, involve an awful lot of people dying in childhood. Often due to diseases that these days we've almost stamped out, but now antivax morons are working hard on bringing back!
TheFogan@programming.dev · 3 pts · 1y
Yeah, I at least assumed that was understood with just "expectancy", obviously people live longer than expectations, and some die unexpectedly young. Key point is if you were given a mission where you must become a baby, and carry on life until you have 6 kids reach the age of 18. But you could chose what time to be born in (but not pick location, class or race), the lowest difficulty mode of that game would almost certainly be after 1950s... and prior to the 1800s would be viewed as very hard mode.
A_A@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Yes. Thanks for stating these hard facts.
obviouspornalt@lemmynsfw.com · 6 pts · 1y
Part of the answer is that mortality rates were far higher 150 years ago. A couple might have 5 children but only 2 survive to adulthood.
A_A@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Because i agree with this, i encourage you to push this idea further to its conclusion.
otp@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1y
If you have an idea that you regularly get called out on, you should probably say it and be willing to truly listen to what people are saying about it...lol
A_A@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
i did it often enough. Now someone else did it for me and I'm very happy they did.
P.S. : Often it's not my ideas but the harsh direct way i express them đ
HubertManne@piefed.social · 2 pts · 1y
if you got married before 2000 and had a decent job. especially if both did. having kids seemed like a thing to do. past 2000 anyone smart had to contend that the world of their kids adulthood did not seem like it would be great.
A_A@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Yes, i agree, and many other lemmy users said similar things about : "why it does apply recently" ...
Yet, it's more interesting to look at why in the past centuries or millennias there was quite a strong selection pressure favoring intelligence.
During those past times, life for humans was much more competitive, so that any major deficiencies, including in intelligence, physical strength, mental strength or whatever important survival characteristics, meant death.
Similarly, in any living species, would it be plants, animal or other, if you remove survival pressures, you rapidly, in just a few generations, diverge into completely different life forms.
Since selection pressures have drastically decreased in many rich countries, for maybe 50 to 100 years now, their populations are on this unsustainable path (in my educated opinion).
Comments from other users were close to what i am saying here, but never so bluntly.
P.S. : @otp@sh.itjust.works this comment is of the type for which i would expect to be, as you said : "regularly get called out on".
HubertManne@piefed.social · 3 pts · 1y
Some selection pressure seems to be returning. anti mask (during a pandemic), anti vax, homeopathy. some folks seem to want to or have their kids die early.
otp@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1y
Measles outbreaks are coming back, lol
A_A@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
"lol" ... ok, laughing to avoid crying.
A_A@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Such a nightmare... i suppose we can describe this as :
(hypothesis #1) : Stupidity increasing up to a breaking point where it's no longer sustainable and kids start to die again.
(h #2) : this increase in stupidity is not necessarily genetic ... it can be from other (social ...) causes.
(h #3) : selection pressure can also act on social behaviors.
Disclaimer : i'm not working in this field : this has no scientific value.
otp@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1y
Well, I'm not seeing anyone calling you out yet. But maybe you made it sound more racist before, or something? Lol
A_A@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Up to this point, i have read most comments inside this post and race or racism was nowhere mention. Yet there have been studies to measure its influence on intelligence ... humm ... is that a topic that you wish to develop here ? Why ? Do you believe it is useful ? Or do you agree with me that it is a waste of our time ?
otp@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1y
Lol ok, yeah, that's probably what it was.
You might want to look into some studies done on those studies -- there are IQ tests that historically (and sometimes presently) had culturally-ingrained aspects to their questions that made it hard for minorities and newcomers to answer properly. E.g., IQ tests with questions about baseball that assume the test-taker knows how many innings are in a game, how many outs/balls/strikes to get a player out, etc.
Wikipedia seems to have a lot to say on it, including some of the criticisms.
But generally speaking you're probably looking at what's mostly a correlation, not a direct causation.
Drusas@fedia.io · 18 pts · 1y
Don't forget lead.
A_A@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1y
Lead was a much bigger problem in the 1970 when it was in road vehicles fuels. But now its only use in some small plane fuels. There is also much less use of lead paint and lead in water pipe systems.
N.B. : Study in that article is about decline from 2010 until today in 15-year-olds.
Drusas@fedia.io · 15 pts · 1y
I remember still having to ask for unleaded gas, and that was in the '90s. Plenty of houses still have lead paint and lead pipes. Sure it was more of a problem in the 70s, but it didn't go away after that.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Every building before like 1978 has lead paint, but people forget that so does the land around them. I live in an area with older homes and weâre frequently warned not to grow vegetables within 10' of the house because the soil is too likely lead contaminated from peeling or stripping exterior paint over the years
Drusas@fedia.io · 2 pts · 1y
It's definitely worth having your soil tested before growing anything you plan to ingest in an urban environment.
catloaf@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
Lead paint is encapsulated and not going to enter your body. Which houses have lead pipes? Even the houses I've lived in over 100 years old have all had complete copper plumbing.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Lead paint is not going to enter my body, but thatâs because I very rarely put unknown things in my mouth. Toddlers operate differently
AA5B@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
If youâre in a contaminated area, youâre contaminated. Hopefully not enough to make a difference if you donât eat paint chips.
Seleni@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Most schools do. And Trump just axed the program trying to replace them all.
Drusas@fedia.io · 0 pts · 1y
https://www.nrdc.org/resources/lead-pipes-are-widespread-and-used-every-state
classic@fedia.io · 3 pts · 1y
Meanwhile, it's presently in many other sources like chocolate and spices. It's part of the soup, it's not doing us any favors, but it's far from the sole causative factor.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y
So for quick context the reason why it's present in foods specifically plants is because the plants naturally leach it up.
A_A@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
So the quality of soil is most important...
DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth · 12 pts · 1y
All this and more!
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
Right after this message from our sponsors.
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
It's social media and political manipulation.
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 1y
Why not the aggregate of all of these?
Why are you putting a space after your punctuation?
A_A@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
i agree that some aggregate of all of these, and to various degrees, and differently for different people, would apply. Also, i did not say more so to let the discussion open.
::: spoiler Now, about text formatting in here :
.
i wanted one line for each items
yet I didn't want it in 2 lines/items
see examples here :
line # 1(no spaces + one line feed) line # 2
line # 1(no spaces + 2 line feed)
line # 2
So, the only way to get the formatting i wanted is to have two spaces at the end of each lines followed by one line feed. :::
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
A_A@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Good tricks đ
(Yet on my keyboard, "space" and "LineFeed" are way quicker to type.)
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 1y
I meant between your last letter and the punctuation marks. Not the spacing of the lines. Use an asterisk for lists if that's your goal?
A_A@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
ok. You mean i type : "goal ?"
instead of "goal?"
... well this is because i have poor eyesight ... and i want to see the "?" clearly.
::: spoiler also ...
9876
... again I don't like it because there is an unused line just before the first bullet point which I don't like. :::
MyRobotShitsBolts@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
Short form content like those found on reddit and here on Lemmy have retrained my brain, I'm sure of it. I'm actively trying to fight it, by forcing myself to read full articles, scroll more slowly and try to engage more fully rather than just endlessly scrolling for the next dopamine hit.
It's easy to justify this behavior because "I'm just getting my news and staying informed" and while partially true it comes at the cost of the medium it's provided by. Screen "reading" has definitely changed our brains for the worse and most people have no clue its even happened.
arrow74@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
So far I'm liking lemmy more because there is a lot less per post. I find I'm enjoying each thread more fully. It's like I'm not endless scrolling because I can't. I've actually read more articles in the day since I've joined than in my last 3 months on reddit.
Llewellyn@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
In my personal observations less intelligent people tend to have more children.
Therefore population IQ drifts towards bottom.
I suspect that's because they do not fully understand all their future struggles and fates of their children in the world, fucked up by climate crisis and resource scarcity.
echolalia@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 1y
This is the plot to a fictional movie. Intelligence is a factor of many things, and most of those factors are not genetic.
Your observation seems close to the opinions of old school eugenicists. "The wrong people are having children".
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
The intro to Idiocracy doesn't actually mention genetics.
Smart people value intelligence and people who value intelligence will raise their children as such.
Parents who don't value intelligence don't raise their kids with intelligence in mind.
Public schools aren't actually about education. They're about job training and obedience, so they wont fill the gaps the parents are leaving.
iarigby@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
echolalia@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
I agree with everything you said, but I'm going to point out something. If there is a common kneejerk reaction to some particular topic, there's probably a reason for that. You yourself said its annoying? I suppose its predictable then. If you can predict that people are going to react in some way, you can write with more explanation to clarify that you aren't actually supporting something like eugenics. The poster I'm responding to did not do this.
I took this lack of explanation as support (which, on reflection, might be leaping to conclusions). The overall tone of the comment is rather judgemental.
The commenter is also wrong; IQ hasn't been "drifting towards the bottom", the average IQ increases every year. Its why they have to constantly adjust the tests, because 100 is meant to be an average score by design. This is primarily why I chose to respond to him. He's not saying " which is why we should invest in family planning" or "we should invest in children's education", he's making an untrue statement, and then pretending that this will cause some sort of feedback loop. Dumb people making more dumb people.
IQ is not some absolute quantitative metric of intelligence. The people who treat it like it is... I find that a lot of them are pushing some sort of angle or simply don't understand it.
iarigby@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
shani66@ani.social · 1 pts · 1y
A kneejerk reaction from an unreasonable populace doesn't mean shit. If i point out the Christian religion is cartoonishly evil most people will have a kneejerk reaction to defend the evil religion, but that doesn't make it any less true.
Llewellyn@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
You are very vague...
echolalia@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
Im not going to write some big long podt, just two things:
people, on average, are not getting dumber. Anything you noticed observationally about dumb people having more children does not seem to have any effect on the world. Human nutrition has improved vastly over the past 100 years, as has education, etc.
IQ increases every year. I don't think this is evidence people are getting smarter because I think IQ is a poor measure of intelligence. I'm pointing this out to you because your statement about "IQ drifting toward the bottom'" is factually untrue.
Llewellyn@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
So, this post is wrong?
echolalia@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
Sorry, I thought this was in another thread that was actually talking about IQ. I've clicked through too many articles.
This article doesn't mention IQ at all, even though your response does. IQ isn't an absolute quantitative measure for intelligence even though many people conflate them - this is probably why the article doesn't mention it.
I'd dig into the Financial Times article that this Neoscope article is about but it's pay-walled. The neoscope article makes some case for intelligence declining (I don't have time to read those citations right now), but I'd point out this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with less intelligent parents having children. It could be evidence that the material conditions for us ordinary citizens is declining as a whole (I think we would both agree on that point). Cost of living is up, people are working longer. Long COVID probably has something to do with it, and stress.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
The problem with eugenics is proposed solutions, or criteria based of prejudice.
I claim itâs both fine and correct to state that the wrong people have too many children. Youâre the wrong people if you have more children than you can adequately care for, to raise sufficiently for them to have a successful life. Youâre the wrong people if you have children youâre not prepared for or otherwise canât commit to raising or donât have the ability to raise.
Itâs wrong, eugenics, when
Better answers include
SoupBrick@pawb.social · 1 pts · 1y
https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism
collapse_already@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1y
All of these and more. Did you know our carbon emissions are changing the ratio of oxygen in the atmosphere as a whole? Guess which species is known to get dumber when oxygen deprived. Don't worry about the warming ocean's increasing acidity, it just makes the ocean a more difficult habitat for the phytoplankton that make 65%of the oxygen in the atmosphere.
I'm sure our normalcy bias will protect us or maybe the invisible space monkey will save his favorite primates if we can commit a few more hate crimes in his name.
A_A@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
That was already discussed in this post :
https://lemmy.world/post/26948801/15738537
::: spoiler copy pasted what i wrote : Present day atmosphere is about 400 or 450 PPM compare this to :
CO
2poisoning (Hypercapnia) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapniaâ Physiological effects :
A high arterial partial pressure of carbon dioxide ( Pa CO
2) causes changes in brain activity that adversely affect both fine muscular control and reasoning. EEG changes denoting minor narcotic effects can be detected for expired gas end tidal partial pressure of carbon dioxide (...) increase from ((53,000 PPM)) to approximately (...) (66,000 PPM = 0.066 atm). The diver does not necessarily notice these effects. :::CalipherJones@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Technology, specifically short form social media content, has got to be the biggest driver here.
lobut@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1y
dependency on AI can be another
lostoncalantha@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
The decline of American intelligence has been ongoing since before AI
A_A@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Yes it is possible ... but this factor is difficult to measure, as it may go both ways, depending on motivation to learn new things and if that AI is a good teacher or ... is giving ready-made (and bad) answers without helping to go further.
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 1y
So, I've seen a lot of people who were extremely sharp as PhD students become blunted as soon as 9--5 starts.
A lot of decline among adults can likely be traced back to increased cognitive load during working hours, which chips away at intelligence over time as folks burn out.
With kids it's harder to place, maybe it's walking the tightrope that is modern social interactions?
match@pawb.social · 7 pts · 1y
i think with kids it's less attributable to wokedei and more a total collapse of the educational system mixed with higher and higher stress levels as the world loudly strains around them
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 1y
Corporations have used social media to colonize and profit from our attention spans, including those of children. Our mental capacity and attention spans are limited, especially children's. When the advertisers have had their fill, how much is left for learning?
curiousPJ@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 1y
Bored people can now tune into (source of entertainment) instead of learning.
I don't think the capacity for intelligence has dropped significantly, rather we as a society dedicate our time differently.
rayyy@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
Bingo. We have a winner.
Lack of mental lifting. Critical thinking becomes too hard. Why innovate? The country has become fat, dumb and happy.
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 1y
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y
I agree. Idiocracy is a funny movie, but that's it. The entire premise of "stupid people make stupid children" is based in eugenics.
CalipherJones@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
The fact that teachers need to beg for pencils is disgraceful. Teachers should get paid more and not have to pay for their supplies.
RBWells@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 1y
I can believe it. Physical inactivity, less creative play for children, distraction all the time.
Mind you, in some ways I don't buy it - the two of my kids who were very academically motivated both learned much more in school than I did (I went during a conservative time when the schools were doing "back to basics" which didn't help, but simple research before the Internet was so difficult that I didn't have access to as much as they did, it took more effort to learn less) and those two are whip-smart. So I think the potential to be smart is higher now. Also maybe we have included more people in the measurements now that it's easier to get the data.
But physical inactivity does harm brain health, plastic probably does, the dumbing down again in the schools here (is this some 40-50 year cycle?) certainly does. I do, like @drascus@sh.itjust.works work at maintaining my thinking by trying to learn new things, not just get good at what I am good at already; and do a lot to maintain physical health, meditate, and try to guard my sleep as much as possible within the context of a normal life.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 1y
Idiocracy keeps becoming truer and truer every year.
SoupBrick@pawb.social · 9 pts · 1y
Unfortunately, that movie's main message was about eugenics. I am not arguing that anti-intellectualism is not spreading like a cancer, but that movie is not the best thing to reference.
Probius@sopuli.xyz · 19 pts · 1y
I don't think it ever actually promoted eugenics. It just explored the natural consequences of two facts in a comedic way:
It never tries to push any eugenics-based agenda. It would have if they tried to say that dumb people shouldn't be allowed to have kids, but they never went anywhere near that.
SoupBrick@pawb.social · 3 pts · 1y
That is eugenics. https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism
https://www.vice.com/en/article/idiocracy-is-elitist-porn/
Probius@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 1y
This is just the author asserting their own absurd leaps in logic as the intended message behind the movie, which it clearly isn't.
The author draws the wrong conclusion from this data. Just because women with degrees are having more kids now than in the past doesn't mean that women without degrees haven't always had more kids than women with degrees. It's very telling that they never bring those numbers up.
SoupBrick@pawb.social · 1 pts · 1y
The issue is the thought that people cannot grow and learn. Regardless of upbringing, anybody can choose to persue knowledge. The horrible state of public education is most likely the root cause, in my opinion. The US has chose not to invest in it's people and now we are seeing the results.
Probius@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 1y
You're absolutely right that access to education can greatly improve intelligence. Critical thinking skills are just that - skills that must be learned. Genetics are just one of countless factors involved in how intelligent someone ends up being.
I saw Idiocracy a while ago, so I can't remember every detail to bring up examples, but I think the characters surrounding the main character did show growth and a willingness to try to learn things. I don't think we see much of an education system in that movie's portrayal of the future either.
It's also worth noting that while your genetics absolutely affects your brain structure and chemistry, parents can pass on stupidity or intelligence to their children in more ways than just genetically. After all, most people learn more from their parents than from anyone else.
SoupBrick@pawb.social · 1 pts · 1y
I would recommend rewatching it. I tried to rewatch it with a friend and didn't get more than 30mins in before they were done.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y
Yeah as the smart child of two dumbfuck parents who can barely read please stop repeating this dumb shit.
Two smart people don't always make a smart baby. Two dumb people don't always make a dumb baby.
It is eugenics.
Probius@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 1y
If you automatically assumed that intelligence having a hereditary component to it meant that I was trying to say that all dumb people's children were also dumb 100% of the time, you might not be as smart as you think.
capital_sniff@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
It is simpler than all that. Elite parents send their children to elite schools and universities. Their children then learn how the world works and are equipped with the skills to engage with the people running things.
The lower classes do not value education in this fashion. Their children do not have parents at home who understand how the world works or how our society is organized. Even if those children are smart or gifted they have no idea how to learn the skills they need or how to properly use their gifted abilities.
General_Effort@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Wealth has a hereditary component.
Anissem@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 1y
Shit. I know shit's bad right now, with all that starving bullshit, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution.
EaterOfLentils@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1y
TheObviousSolution@kbin.melroy.org · 17 pts · 1y
It's not, it's not having to do the math or the remembering. The brain is a muscle, when you have your phone doing all the hard work it doesn't need to be as buff. LLMs will worsen this problem even more. Microplastics? Maybe single digit consequences.
EaterOfLentils@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
upandatom@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Lol, you aren't wrong there.
You (and everyone) are getting dumber because as convenience increases, intelligence decreases.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 1y
They didn't remove math lol
You don't pass classes if you don't pass tests
Don't even think about saying some dumb shit like "they pass them anyway" because that doesn't actually happen
EaterOfLentils@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
musubibreakfast@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 1y
Solving for X is easy. X is always DMX, because X is gonna give it to you. Though I will agree solving for X has become a lot harder since DMX passed away.
CalipherJones@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
At my college you could basically tell your teacher you're depressed and get a passing grade regardless of your work.
EaterOfLentils@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
Ah yes because, as we all know, you MUST pass classes in order to participate in society. And clearly no one can ever possibly cheat because it's against the rules. Problem solved!
Emmie@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
Cheating is against the rules and you shouldnât do it
TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Only after I can afford to get away with it
conicalscientist@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1y
Tech companies hire psychologists to behavior modify us to be engagement zombies. That alone must have done a number on intelligence.
tehn00bi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
One, weâve off loaded much of our critical thinking and researching skills to Google et al. This will only get worse as we develop stronger AI assistants that perform a majority of the âthinkingâ tasks. Technology frees the mind in some ways and reduces the need for certain functions. I read an article probably 10 years ago about how Japanese struggle to write because cell phones and computers have taken over much of that skill.
AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
drascus@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 1y
Its a lot of work but you have to constantly push. I am 42, but I read a few dozen books a year, I'm constantly learning new languages, new instruments, I write short stories for fun, do creative projects, and meditate. I still feel really sharp but I'm throwing down everyday.
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Neat! Tell us more!
TheSealStartedIt@feddit.org · -5 pts · 1y
You sound like you're consumed by your own ambition. Hope you're happy though.
drascus@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1y
Not really I mostly do it for entertainment and because I like to see what I can do
CalipherJones@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Sounds like he's living his best life to me.
doug@lemmy.today · 19 pts · 1y
Iâve heard the climate crisis isnât helping. More carbon dioxide in the air, the less we think good.
General_Effort@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y
Can't tell if joke or ... gestures vaguely at post
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1y
This is one I feel is getting largely overlooked.
A_A@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
Present day atmosphere is about 400 or 450 PPM compare this to :
CO
2poisoning (Hypercapnia) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapniaâ Physiological effects :
A high arterial partial pressure of carbon dioxide ( Pa CO
2) causes changes in brain activity that adversely affect both fine muscular control and reasoning. EEG changes denoting minor narcotic effects can be detected for expired gas end tidal partial pressure of carbon dioxide (...) increase from ((53,000 PPM)) to approximately (...) (66,000 PPM = 0.066 atm). The diver does not necessarily notice these effects.General_Effort@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
So, for people who don't get the joke, a quick overview.
Atmospheric CO2 has increased from ~280 parts per million to ~430 ppm now. This causes problems besides global warming; notably ocean acidification. Scientists try to infer CO2 levels in the past from various indirect evidence. It seems that levels have not been this high in many millions of years, much longer than the existence of our or most other species.
That said, direct effects from these elevated CO2 levels are extremely implausible. We exhale CO2, meaning that indoor concentrations are typically much higher than these elevated atmospheric levels. On top of that, you have a lot of combustion, especially in cities. Cities have elevated CO2 concentrations compared to the surrounding area (think about smog). The northern hemisphere has higher concentrations than the southern one. The CO2 concentrations most of us live with have more to do with our immediate surroundings than global levels. Fun fact: Roadside grass can have a radiocarbon date of thousands of years.
The most iconic CO2 measurements (Keeling Curve) are taken on Hawaii, on a mountain in the middle of nowhere. I have heard that Elon and the felon are shutting that down now.
High CO2 levels can become a problem in badly ventilated places. CO2 is slightly heavier than air, so it can build up in wine cellars or cesspits. Fermentation creates the CO2. Typically, that kills more than 1 person. Person #1 goes down, passes out. Person #2 goes down to check on them.
match@pawb.social · 14 pts · 1y
This article seems to be only looking at America based off the sources that I can access without a paywall
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
I fucking believe it.
RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
Summary The article describes a decline in human intelligence, particularly among young people. The decline is attributed to reducedk reading habits and the negative impact of excessive screen time on cognitive abilities.
skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 1y
vividspecter@lemm.ee · 9 pts · 1y
The FT source seems to be behind a paywall, and this article seems to be jumping between a bunch of possibly unrelated issues (focusing on young adult cognitive decline but looking at whole population reading rates and numeracy ability).
Keener@lemm.ee · 8 pts · 1y
What does Chat Gpt say about this?
MiDaBa@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 1y
I can't help but think how much science fiction had stories where a civilization created machines to make their lives easier until there was no one left who knew how the machines worked or anyone who could fix them.
Those stories always seemed so far away yet here we are at the beginning with LLMs and machine learning.
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 1y
I wouldn't worry about it .... it wasn't that high to begin with
I always remind my friends when we have political debates about so many things ... we aren't that many steps away from the cave we emerged from 100,000 years ago
europeanfan122@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
Honestly, I donât think it is that surprising. Sadly.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1y
There's also no real proof that high intelligence is actually a productive evolutionary trait.
We're juuuuuuuuust smart enough to grow like a cancerous parasite and are getting close to killing our sickly host organism.
match@pawb.social · 3 pts · 1y
i'm optimistic enough to believe we'll be like
A_A@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Since humans have made many horrendous things we will easily agree on some things we would want to change in humanity. Yet, at some point, it's difficult to define exactly what would be better ... what would be more "productive" as you wrote.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1y
Every generation will be more intelligent than the last, our exponentially complicating world requires it.
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y
Every generation will be more knowledgable than the previous⌠but there is no guarantee theyâll be more intelligent.