Steve Bannon admits Maga operatives ‘working’ on third term for Trump

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/steve-bannon-trump-third-term-b2717861.html

Summary

Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon revealed that MAGA operatives are "working on" securing Donald Trump a third presidential term in 2028, despite constitutional term limits.

In an interview with Chris Cuomo, Bannon said, "We'll see what the definition of term limit is," suggesting they're exploring ways to circumvent the 22nd Amendment.

Recently released from prison after serving four months for contempt of Congress, Bannon placed second in a CPAC straw poll for 2028 GOP nominees behind JD Vance, while maintaining tensions with Trump adviser Elon Musk.

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ceenote@lemmy.world · 97 pts · 1y (8 replies)

Bannon placed second in a CPAC strawpoll

My first thought: That'd be great, there's no way he'd win

My second thought: Democrats would find a way.

Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 1y (3 replies)
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qprimed@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 1y (2 replies)

as parent intimated: Democrats will find a way. :-(

thefartographer@lemm.ee · 9 pts · 1y (1 reply)

I'll show me!

Jerkface@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y

Who do I think I am, anyway?

oppy1984@lemm.ee · 37 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Democrats, the masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

futatorius@lemm.ee · 15 pts · 1y
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Franklin@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 1y (1 reply)

i mean let's give Putin some credit too, his disinformation campaigns and bot farms have been a master class in manipulating public perception. that's to say nothing of the Twitter/X situation

Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y

Don't forget Meta and other social media allowing (even encouraging in Twitter's case) rampant misinformation to go unchecked, dismantling the very systems they built to combat it during Trump's first term.

That, and their "1984 was a blueprint"-level invasive user tracking that allowed micro-targeting voters with propaganda to discourage Democratic turnout while inflaming Republican emotions. Russia might have written the articles, but Zuckerberg made sure they reached American eyes.

TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 74 pts · 1y (8 replies)

Read: They still don't have a replacement for Trump.

halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 1y (6 replies)

Of course they do, but the issue is that too much of Trump's control over their base is from his cult of personality (somehow), not the plan itself. They don't know how to replace that. Yet.

takeda@lemm.ee · 40 pts · 1y (5 replies)

Musk is hoping to be next. Yes, constitution doesn't allow it, but they don't intend to follow it anyway.

bradv@lemmy.ca · 60 pts · 1y

The constitution also doesn't allow an insurrectionist to be president, but here we are.

MrGG@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 1y (3 replies)

That's why they're so interested in making Canada part of the US. His mom is Canadian. If Canada becomes part of the US he becomes a natural born US citizen and becomes eligible to run for president. And this is one of many reasons we cannot allow ourselves to become part of the US.

CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 22 pts · 1y

They absolutely do not need Canada for this.

We are living in a post-truth world. The MAGA right do not care about the law, the facts, or even what is right.

They want power. By any means necessary.

FOX and OAN will run pieces about how Musk was born here in the states and was moved to South Africa to help run his emerald mines. They will draw up fake birth certificates, change birth records in hospitals to show he was born on an Army Base in Texas.

They'll even find the doctor that ushered his delivery.

And the Right will eat it up.

The sad thing is Trump has the means to make all of this possible. This is not figurative.

This is the nightmare scenario. And Musk will not let go of power.

BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 1y (1 reply)

What are the rules surrounding recognition as a state? Does Canada need to accept it or is there some mechanism by which the US can just say "we regard Canada as the 51st state" and as far as American law is concerned it's now part of the USA, even if it isn't on reality?

MrGG@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1y

Well the mechanism is American military occupation and attempt at submission. Their rules / laws don't really matter much to us. But per their laws their Congress needs to accept our admission as a state with a simple majority vote, and then the president needs to sign off on it. The only way us applying happens is if they are able to install a puppet federal government here, and even then if that all succeeds they need to prepare for an extended insurgency.

LodeMike@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 1y

Read: the Republican Party is dead without drumpf

cm0002@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 1y (4 replies)

They're putting a LOT of faith in those arteries holding up that long LMFAO

regrub@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1y (3 replies)
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undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch · 9 pts · 1y

I swear to God you can hear all the grease caked inside his body when he speaks. That wheezing, wandering, droning voice has had a few too many Big Macs.

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

We should go fund me a lifetime supply of hamburgers and fries.

JacksonLamb@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

Amphetamines.

During the last election he went on a big ramble about how Biden is probably on amphetamines for stamina. Sounded like he was telling on himself.

TipRing@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 1y (14 replies)

We’ll see what the definition of term limit is

It's right there in the amendment:

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

Donald Trump was elected twice. He is ineligible to be elected again.

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Yeah. The constitution also says anyone who starts a fucking insurrection is also ineligible and yet here we are.

jballs@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1y

Can't wait for the Supreme Court to agree that since the 22nd Amendment doesn't specify who enforces that the president can't be elected, that it means Congress has to actively pass a law saying he can't run.

That's what ultimately happened with the Colorado case.

RegalPotoo@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1y (2 replies)

If I had to put money on it, I'd guess they contest the legitimacy of the next election, and he just refuses to step down - can only be elected twice, but he's just there as a care taker until a proper election can happen

sfxrlz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Or he’ll start a war and declares martial law

RegalPotoo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Martial law lets you arrest people without trial, but it doesn't directly allow you to just not hold an election, and you can only declare it "unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it".

I guess you could come up with some pretence then impose martial law and make it clear that anyone voting the wrong way is going to get arrested, but at that point why bother with laws at all?

RegalPotoo@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Actually, reading the language again, I can absolutely see some shenanigans where he runs as VP for someone else who runs on a platform of "vote for me and I'll immediately resign and put Trump in charge again". It'd need the supreme court to decide if that "and" is exclusive or not, and given that half the court seems pretty happy to give up their principles of it suits their politics, I wouldn't be surprised if that worked

notabot@lemm.ee · 6 pts · 1y

This seems like the most straightforward scenario. Nothing prevents trump running, or being elected, as Vice President, on the understanding that the duely elected President will step down on day 1. When they wrote the constitution, they didn't bank on a populist fascist, so the language assumes everyone plays fair.

Whether trump is in any state to do anything by then is a different question. If they find someone more useful they may simply shuffle him out of the game by declaring him mentally incompetant.

The absolute best case scenario is that they're just saying this because they know it outrages non-magas, and they love doing that. I've not seen much to support that as the probable outcome though.

cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 1y

It says "elected", but what is the president isn't elected? They will find a way, and with recent reality bending Supreme Court decisions or won't even be so hard.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com · 7 pts · 1y

Ok ok, but hear me out - what if we didn't have elections. No problem!

Australis13@fedia.io · 4 pts · 1y (2 replies)

no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once

Unfortunately, there's an obvious loophole right there that they will argue for. The 22nd Amendment doesn't say that Trump can't be VP and take over as President on Day One. It just restricts how many times he can be elected as the President. He could theoretically run as VP and have an enabler run as President an indefinite number of times - there are no limits to the number of times somebody can be elected as VP: https://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/vp-term-limits/

HK65@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Isn't there also a rule that says you can't be VP if you already can't be Pres?

Australis13@fedia.io · 6 pts · 1y

Ah, good catch. I'd forgotten about that. Apparently the 12th Amendment should narrow that loophole significantly:

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Honestly, the whole insurrection thing should disqualify him anyway, but again they'd probably argue that he's not ineligible for the office of President, he just can't be elected to it due to the 22nd Amendment.

CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y

According to Trump and many many in the GOP, he was elected three times.

After two years into this term, he will be disqualified twice from running again.

fuzzyspudkiss@midwest.social · 3 pts · 1y

Yeah but he was impeached so the first time doesn't count /s

The_Caretaker@lemm.ee · 28 pts · 1y (6 replies)
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Subverb@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 1y (3 replies)

You don't think they're covering that contingency?

They rules they have formulated and want to pass as law are that the first two terms must not be consecutive. This would preclude Obama from having a third term.

bitwolf@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1y (2 replies)

I remember reading they want to adjust it to "two consecutive terms". Which would invalidate Obama through their mental gymnastics

rbos@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 1y

I think that's the rule Putin and Medvedev used. They alternated to get around the consecutive term rule.

Subverb@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

That's what I said above. First two terms can't be consecutive. Ridiculous.

Ferrous@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 1y

Just like Biden used the SCOTUS immunity ruling to legally assassinate trump?

Democrats will not ever break precedent.

Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 1y

I don't think they mean presidents (plural) could run for the third term.

There will also be a rule if one of the contestants is going for their third term it's an automatic win & no opposing runners can join the game.

futatorius@lemm.ee · 27 pts · 1y
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ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 1y (18 replies)

Likely scenario:

They'll first try to get two thirds of both the senate and the congress, and to a constitution overhaul in the style of Hungary. If that fails, there's always the option for a martial-law, or just circumventing the whole of the constitution.

astrsk@fedia.io · 25 pts · 1y (6 replies)

To be honest, the most likely scenario in my mind is some form of war declaration or emergency, suspending elections has precedent during wartime.

ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y

A very handy use of the expansionalist dreams of GOP, but more likely is that Trump will just use the war on immigrants as an excuse to suspend elections.

evidences@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Is there precedence for that in the US? I can't find an example of US elections being suspended during war time, even the 1964 election happened during a war period.

Madison420@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y

It's not even that elections could be stopped it's that war powers notably direct media manipulation make it much much easier to win an election or rig it.

Aqarius@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Let me guess, "Zelensky did it first"?

absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 1y

So ramp up tension with either Canada or Mexico; then manufacture some incident and invade to "protect democracy" or some shit....bada bing bada boom, a nice little war and the ability to declare martial law.

ultranaut@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
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VanillaFrosty@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y (10 replies)

Maybe make him speaker of the house then have a stand in prez and vp step down?

I know a vp has to have presidential eligibility to be elected, which Trump wouldn't have at the end of this term. But Im not aware of the same restriction on the speaker

T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y (9 replies)

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

That's the wording. It looks pretty iron clad, if you care at all about the rule of law.

GoatTnder@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y (3 replies)

The problem is that word "elected." It doesn't specifically exclude someone assuming the role of president through the line of succession.

T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y (2 replies)

No, but the "acted as" should technically cover it. Again it's meaningless if laws no longer apply lol.

Subverb@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y (1 reply)

That's it. It's just a pretty idea with no bearing on reality if not enforced.

T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

The sad reality

Revan343@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 1y (3 replies)

That wording wouldn't prevent Trump from becoming Speaker of the House, and then becoming President for a third term through the line of succession.

T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Shit, yeah re reading it it's fucked. Unless there is something that the scotus ruled on as president that is not worded directly.

Revan343@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

I don't think it overly matters anyways, though; it's not like Republicans would go "Oh darn, foiled" if Trump couldn't be Speaker. Traitors gonna treason and coup, one way or another, and it's going to be boots-on-the-ground organizing that stops them, if anything stops them.

T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

100% correct, very unfortunately

BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network · 2 pts · 1y

Why else would the orange be challenging the constitution? His current play of changing birthright citizenship is a practice range so he knows how to aim at his real targets.

twistypencil@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 1y

Nope, that is a declaration of war

MuskyMelon@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 1y

Time to 2A up to protect yourselves America. Only a copper jacketed hollow point between freedom and tyranny.

FYI I know nothing about ammo other than what I hear in movies or TV.

answersplease77@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1y

Trump will be 79 in 2 months, at 83 he himself wont be around to run in 2028, but MAGA would still be there and that's what we should be fighting. I mean sadly and similarly Bernie Sanders wouldnt be around to run in 2028, but his movement is what we should be carrying

taiyang@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1y

Hey yo, while we're cutting jobs I heard the secret service costs the government billions and isn't even secret, we best tell Musk on X and use a thinky emoji to show how smart that observation is.

nonentity@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 1y

A strategically deployed hamberder in the next 1000 days will ensure Trump is president for life.

segabased@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 1y

Time to really get to know our communities and our people in the military. The only justice imaginable coming from this is a coup in one form or another to oust them. Anyone in the military that is actually on board with this needs to be purged by the rank and file.

Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee · 11 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Third term?
Again with the Russian model - why not be more imaginative and declare yourself some new made-up dictator name (& just be a dictator, no terms, no red & blue, only polished golden ass), like something Borat would come up with.

His supreme big handedness of the Lord, the shitter of golden diarrhea, he who licks no domestic butts, the holy eternal MAGAer, the trumpest with the mostest absolute dumptruck ass, senior car salesmen.

JacksonLamb@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

Musk is already occupying that position.

Zier@fedia.io · 11 pts · 1y

He wants to be just like putin. He should be in jail!

ech@lemm.ee · 9 pts · 1y

Anyone surprised at this is unqualified for political office.

AntelopeRoom@lemm.ee · 8 pts · 1y (2 replies)
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ajoebyanyothername@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y

The only way they could attempt this would be to violate the constitution.

I don't think they're gonna be too worried by that.

masterofn001@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 1y

The more people say it's impossible, the less.they consider the options that, though wayyy out there, are how they have found ways to do what they've already done.

There may not be a single obvious loophole, but a cascade of loops -a Möbius loophole -is how they approach things.

Do not forget his remarks recently about the big mid term surprise and blue states : "they may disappear off the map completely"

Not sure how you feel about that, but even in trump's verbal diarrhoea, that seems a terrifyingly ominous statement.

CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 1y

Fascist pricks are doing something fascistic, what?!

technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 1y

Maga operatives? Does he mean Gavin Newsom?

ThrawnSolo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y

Meh...what else is new? Let's just keep clogging the news with more shit. This is his tactic anyways.

ricardoharvin@mstdn.social · 6 pts · 1y (1 reply)

@MicroWave "Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!"

"Shocked! Shocked!"

https://mstdn.social/@ricardoharvin/113864093315279521

thefartographer@lemm.ee · 8 pts · 1y

Why do people keep responding to this like laws and tradition meananything?

What does anyone think will be different this time??

The leader of an insurrection delayed investigations until getting reelected, threatened and fired people who dared to look at him sideways, and is unapologetically defying a judge's orders while using his sentient moneybag to openly bribe politicians who say they're willing to impeach a judge for not agreeing with the president (going against the warnings of the supreme court).

Where are our papers and pens going to get the power to do anything about it when all the power sits with the president? I've said it before and I'll say it again, anyone who pushes back hard enough is going to experience The Night of the Long Knives.

I genuinely think we are days to weeks away from seeing a politician become a political prisoner. And even then, headlines will ask "are we inching closer to fascism?" And people will say, "this is what the laws are for. We just have to wait for the system to work."

Lex Luthor has taken over Metropolis and is killing anyone standing up to him, Lois Lane is sobbing over Clark Kent's mangled corpse while Jimmy Olsen assures her that Superman will show up any moment now and everything will be okay. At that same time, Perry White is telling the printer to run the headline "Luthor Shoots 61 Citizens in one day, Experts say This Could be Illegal"

WhatSay@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 1y

Isn't it great that all of these traitors to democracy are showing themselves and their plans in plain sight? Now the American people just need to decide how to respond.

peoplebeproblems@midwest.social · 3 pts · 1y

Steve Bacon: aka the Baron Harkonnen of real life