Summary
Trump's support among Latinos has plummeted as he nears his first 100 days in office, with many saying they feel betrayed by the scope of his policies, particularly immigration enforcement.
Almost three in four Latinos (72%) now disapprove of the way Trump is handling his job as president.
Many Venezuelans, for example, have been impacted by the decision to revoke their Temporary Protected Status (TPS).
“Today, I feel the same way I felt in Venezuela— that they're going to come take me somewhere I won't be able to escape from.” “This is completely different from what I thought it was going to be.”
139 Comments
cowfodder@lemmy.world · 198 pts · 1y
Oh darn! If only somebody had warned them about what would happen...
Eldritch@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 1y
While I upvoted you, and we absolutely did tell them that. Many of them through no fault of their own weren't reached by the message. And that's something we need to figure out how to fix. Because with the consolidation of media and AI, this is only going to get worse.
Patting ourselves on the back about being right. Will only comfort us so much, when our lack of reach etc. Continues to haunt us
GuyFawkes@midwest.social · 44 pts · 1y
Sticking your head in the sand and/or choosing to only watch extremely partisan news is indeed “fault of their own”. If they can’t be informed enough to make good decisions, perhaps they should simply refrain from voting altogether.
Eldritch@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
That's an extreme misrepresentation. By being here, you're an exception. And you're judging them based on that. And this is the exact issue. They aren't choosing anything. Options like Lemmy etc simply aren't present to them. And that's the issue.
You found it, and that's great. Now figure out how to help normal people find it. And not driving them away.
Enkers@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 1y
I don't think that's an extreme misrepresentation. Trump himself told them exactly what he was going to do, so there was certainly at least some amount of head-burrying-in-sand going on. The main message that was present on Lemmy but not in legacy media was that "Yes, he is in fact going to do what he says he will."
There were two possibilities: either you thought he was a doddering idiot that wasn't going to follow through on anything he said, in which case why in the nine hells would you choose him as your president? Or, he was going to do exactly what he said, in which case, why in the nine hells would you choose him as your president?
The problem is that most of the people who voted for him were being selectively optimistic about what he would and wouldn't do. They let him be everything to everyone, and just hand-waved the glaring problems away.
I don't know how you can fix this massive self delusion issue without fixing education and teaching people to think critically, but education has been under attack for nearly as long as I can recall in the US.
That said, I agree this whole "I told you so" attitude isn't particularly useful, it certainly is cathartic, though.
GuyFawkes@midwest.social · 12 pts · 1y
I’m past the “I told you so” phase, however I’m also over everyone saying things like “they didn’t know” or “give them another chance”. As far as I’m concerned, they’ve got TWO viable options at this point in time:
Eldritch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Trump says vague shit all the time. Which that is a prime example of. He wasn't specific. But he did not say it in a vacuum either. The mass media did a lot to sane wash it. To imply that it wasn't as sweeping or horrific as it would actually be. And people believed them.
The mass media does not treat him as a fascistic man child narcissist. They shower him with undo respect and restraint. Thinking in some misguided Nevil Chamberlain sense, that appeasement will save them. Though to be fair plenty of them feel like they are in on it as well.
To deny that this is the case, that mass media has not failed us, that their failings to be informed are all on them and no one else. Is to dismiss them with the same touch that conservatives dismiss the poor the underserved and minorities. Simply by assuming they all have the exact same access and opportunity that we do. They don't. Don't be like conservatives and fascists. Yes people absolutely do need to do more to educate themselves. But we absolutely need to make it clear and easier to find proper sources to do that from and encourage them to do that.
When you make assumptions based on your personal experience you've already lost the debate.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 1y
Osho
Eldritch@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
I think Depeche Mode put it better. People Are People. So why should it be, we should treat each other so awfully.
Just remember. If you want to paint with a broad brush categorizing people as idiots. You are numbered with them. We all are. But I would still stand gladly with them shoulder to shoulder. Against any oligarch or Vanguard.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
That's where we disagree. Media bubbles exist but the internet makes it so easy to find opposing viewpoints that failing to do so should absolutely be considered a personal failure. They'd rather believe a comforting lie than confront the truth and that is how shitty people live their lives.
Eldritch@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
The internet absolutely does that I agree. The problem is. That you think that everyone else is as terminally online as we are. And in that way you are as bad as they are. This isn't an accusation against you specifically or anything. I'm just pointing out how we can all ultimately do bad things unintentionally. By simply assuming that everyone else is like us.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
You don't need to be terminally online to know that Donald Trump is a piece of shit. You're trying really hard to justify intentional stupidity. Empathy is good but you don't need to employ it to the point that you force a reason to let these people off the hook. In fact, I would argue that nothing will change until we all accept our role in educating ourselves. It's not anyone else's job to do that.
Eldritch@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 1y
I'm not the one here trying to justify anything. That's you. You're the one here trying to pull off some ridiculous conspiracy theory where more than half the voting population are either mentally handicapped or evil in order to justify your 2 minutes hate.
Simply unwilling to acknowledge that the majority of people still get all their information from the mainstream media. The same mainstream media that we call out here on a daily basis for being tepid spineless and inaccurate in their coverage of everything including Palestine. The same mainstream media that has given Trump and Republicans far too much undue deference and respect. Propping them up. It's not that you can't understand the people who voted for Trump it's that you don't want to.
The fact that you could be on Reddit or Lemmy and claim that you are somehow not terminally online is especially hilarious. Being on either of those is absolutely terminally online. Brother we both are. You just lack the self-awareness. And that's the problem.
krashmo@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y
The amount of time I spend online is entirely irrelevant to the question at hand. Your focus on that particular point, which I never disputed, is pretty odd. You can find the information I'm referring to in a 30 second Google search which pretty much everyone does on a regular basis for things they care about. The problem is that a good chunk of people don't care enough to find out whether or not they're being lied to by the media they consume. I don't think it's necessary to excuse that level of ignorance but you seem insistent on doing so. That's not being understanding it's justifying idiocy for no good reason.
rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1y
Are you talking about 5 year olds? Otherwise I’m pretty sure everyone we’re talking about was on the planet during Trump’s last term.
Eldritch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Wow it's awful Brave of you to put yourself out there as an example of the problem I'm trying to illustrate. Thank you for posting this. This is an example 100% of what I'm talking about. The same arrogance, ignorance, and presumption that everyone has the same experience as you. That therefore you are superior to them. You are literally using the conservative/fascist Playbook to ridicule and other these people.
I'm sure that will win them over to your side. Or make things better. Not.
rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1y
that’s a grand stand you’ve put together. bravo.
I don’t care about winning people so disconnected that living through 4 years of horror didn’t convince them that 4 more years of horror wouldn’t be horrible.
Eldritch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
It's funny to watch you attack them for being in an echo chamber they didn't seek. From an echo chamber you did. But I'm glad you can admit that you are dedicated to being the problem. And not the solution. It's in curiosity and ignorance like that that will help the fascists continue to win. It's just too much work to ask questions about how and why people behave the way they do. So much easier to just dismiss them as being less intelligent and informed than yourself. Just like they do to you.
metaldream@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 1y
What a joke of a comment. They absolutely sought out living in a bubble, the same as everyone else. Stop pretending like people are kids who don't pick and choose their news sources. We don't live in Russia or China where the government controls 100% of the media. Stop bullshitting us with this pity party.
I feel zero sympathy for any maga voter. These fucking people shit all over us constantly, call for us to be murdered and sent to prison, but now I'm supposed to feel bad for them? Now I'm supposed to help them?
They can go fuck themselves. They are adults, not children, who dug their own grave, and now they get to deal with the consequences alone like they always wanted to.
rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 1y
oh yeah, you’re the voice of the common clay or whatever. just shut up. It’s so infantilizing and patronizing.
parody@lemmings.world · 3 pts · 1y
Interesting to see a clear problem at scale and have folks tell you it must just be individual failures
Ya it’s definitely the fault of those lazy low-information Latinos who simply refuse to subscribe to the Economist and read it after their second eight-hour shift
Also “why don’t the poor just inherit more coal?“
baines@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 1y
you choose not to engage with the political process
it’s not anyone else's job to save you from your own choices
Eldritch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Choosing not to engage is implicit consent. The largest voting block in the United States are the ones that don't. There's a reason they try to disillusion and disenfranchise people into not engaging or voting. It serves the purpose of the people who are the problem. Not the people who aren't voting. And at some point other people's problems become your own. So while it isn't your job. It's a good idea to keep things from getting that bad.
baines@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 1y
you can lead a horse to water
honestly I do blame the democratic establishment for doing fuck all beyond making themselves rich but it is a citizens responsibility to be i formed and part of the political process, if people are doing neither I have zero sympathy for them when they fuck themselves over
ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com · 24 pts · 1y
But Trump promised* he wouldn't!
*Not promised, but strongly implied.^†^
^†^By strongly implied, meaning "at least left open the possibility."^††^
^††^Except for the times he said the opposite thing.^†††^
^†††^This was every time.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 108 pts · 1y
I’m just so entirely unsympathetic to absolutely any minority who voted for the overt racist. Like, genuinely, holy fuck, you are genuinely not allowed to be surprised by his racism. It is now, and always was, one of his primary features.
And I have a special tier of bafflement towards the handful of Arab-American communities in the upper Midwest that apparently voted for him, and are now shocked that his policies are way worse than the absolutely horrible and myopic policies of Biden. Genuinely: How in the ever loving fuck are you surprised by that? He tried to ban any non-Saudi Muslims from coming into the country in his first term. How are you possibly surprised. HOW.
RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 1y
But the leopard promised so many great things. I mean, sure, the leopard DID say outright that he would eat my face, but I thought surely he'd never eat MY face.
LarryLurkman@lemm.ee · 20 pts · 1y
I remember some footage of a Latino Trump supporter giving a black woman shit in Trump's name, and wondering what the ever loving fuck. A variation on Hitler's rise to power is how many figurative Jews threw their full support behind him this time. I don't get it. I'll never get it. I'm sick of his stupid fucking face.
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1y
I live in Colombia. People here self-identify as "white," and they're surprised that white people in the US think of them as a different race.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
Then double their shock - a significant amount of those white people in the US will think your race is "Mexican." Never mind that you're not Mexican, have never been to Mexico, and that "Mexican" isn't even a race.
Logic doesn't matter in their argument. You speak Spanish? You must be Mexican. End of story.
Liberteez@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
Mexican is just as much a race as white is. As in, neither are real races. A real human race distinction would be sapiens vs florensis vs neanderthal vs denisovan. All humans today are at least 94% homo sapiens.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
You're absolutely right - race is a social construct. That's more logic talk though, which doesn't matter to racists.
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · 7 pts · 1y
The capacity of humanity to act against themselves is sometimes a wonder.
jezabyte@lemm.ee · 7 pts · 1y
Catma@lemmy.world · 76 pts · 1y
I mean, what did they expect?
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 31 pts · 1y
"I expected to be the exception! I'm one of the good ones! It wasn't supposed to happen to me."
MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Don't worry. There is room in the gas chamber for people in wheel chairs too, you fucking freeloading fat strain on the economy.
Coreidan@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 1y
It sure sucks when a leopard eats your face.
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y
Nougat@fedia.io · 61 pts · 1y
Huh. This is exactly what I thought it was going to be.
Eheran@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1y
And also what he literally said every time.
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y
Oh Mr. Trump, i wanted you to hurt OTHER people, not meeeeeeeee
baronvonj@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
This isn't even ironic.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-voter-hes-not-hurting-the-people-he-needs-be-hurting-msna1181316
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
my god, it keeps getting harder and harder to caricature Trump supporters
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
And that was from his first term.
ikidd@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 1y
If you voted Trump as a Latino, that's a special sort of stupid.
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 1y
They'll vote for whoever replaces him too. Nobody had learned any real lesson.
Ledericas@lemm.ee · 6 pts · 1y
latinos down south have been brainwashed and indoctrinated since thier parents immigrated here decades ago,.
ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org · 44 pts · 1y
Latinos who voted for Trump deserve everything they get: Trump's "comedian* openly spat in their faces with Trump's full support and they still voted for him.
Pendejos...
Nougat@fedia.io · 9 pts · 1y
Pochos
samus12345@lemm.ee · 40 pts · 1y
"¡Nunca pensé que los leopardos se comerían MI cara!"
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 1y
My Spanish is near non-existent but I was still able to read this perfectly.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 39 pts · 1y
The fact that any of them voted for him is astounding. Did they not listen to a single word from his mouth about hordes of immigrants watering down the blood of America? Did they not see him drag a Hispanic celebrity (Nicky Jam) on stage, only to reveal, before the entire audience that he had no idea who they were, and in fact thought they were a hot woman?
Like a bunch of turkeys counting down the days to Christmas.
Doesn't really matter what they think of him now, they'll be in an El Salvador concentration camp by the time the next election comes round.
fishy@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 1y
They, like most people who voted for Trump were more interested in harming "the opposition" failing to realize 90% of people were the opposition despite Trump saying it loud and proud. As a liberal white millionaire I am still confused and concerned at how many idiots I am trying to lift up are encasing their feet in concrete, and a little voice says "maybe it's their nature and you should give them what they ask for."
I'm disgusted by this all around, don't turn me into what I fucking hate.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 1y
How could I know that the guy saying he would deport every fucking immigrant would start deporting every fucking immigrant? It was so unexpected!
vegeta@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 1y
The first sighting of a true leopard in Latin America? or did the Jaguars eat their faces?
kinsnik@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 1y
los pumas me comieron la cara
Ledericas@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
jaguars and pumas, domestic cats once you pass away
The_Caretaker@lemm.ee · 29 pts · 1y
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 1y
Don’t say this, just say Latin if you don’t want to gender or people from the Americas if you want to refer to Central/South Americans
I agree but you’re ignoring the “i’m one of the good ones” mentality
It’s like when he says legal immigrants cheating the system and legal immigrants love it because they know they didn’t cheat so it must be other ones
But you do highlight why PR isn’t a state. Democrats don’t want another Republican state and Republicans don’t like white people speaking Spanish
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 1y
You can say a lot of things about Trump but you can't say he betrayed anyone about his intentions on immigration. Whoever feels betrayed by that simply wanted to be betrayed.
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 1y
No fucking way! I don't feel sorry for any Latinos or Hispanics that voted for Trump. Ya'll are traitors to democracy and our constitution for installing a dictator. You think people would learn from the dictatorship countries they fled.
samus12345@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
Ah, but those were Communist dictatorships. Capitalist dictatorships are a-okay! (or so they thought.)
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Scream communist and create a Banana Republic. As long as USA is in charge.
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 1y
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 1y
LOL? Betrayed?
This is the fucking party, chuckleheads. They want you gone. Doesn't matter if you were born here.
Stop voting for these motherfuckers. Not one Republican should ever be allowed into office.
JiveTurkey@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 1y
Not betrayed. Victims of their own stupidity. A bunch of ladder pullers.
boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 1y
What in the actual fuck did they think was going to happen? He spent his entire campaign specifically saying he was going to do this.
Freshparsnip@lemm.ee · 24 pts · 1y
How did they not see this coming?
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
It's hard to see without head in the sand.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Whole lotta people suddenly surprised that Project 2025 wasn't just some "conspiracy theory", too....
Ledericas@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
gop smokescreen :blinded by fear of communism, and christianity. even vietnamese people down south are like this, actually viet people in most places.
not_that_guy05@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 1y
My people, if you believed them I hope you get deported.
You voted to have families torn apart, fuckin traitors. You will never have my respect and I hope you hide in shame.
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
Yep. They wanted SOME families torn apart. Just not their own.
not_that_guy05@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Exactly.
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 1y
Dumb fucks.
nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 1y
As a
LatninoLatino, I agree. Fucking embarrassing.AmidFuror@fedia.io · 10 pts · 1y
Is that slang for a Latin child?
nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 1y
😅
Ledericas@lemm.ee · 22 pts · 1y
just like military vets,"suckers and losers, whats in it for them"-donald trump.
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1y
What's the word for leopard in uh.. Spanish?
prinzmegahertz@lemm.ee · 10 pts · 1y
El Opardo!
Source: i don’t know Spanish at all
Ledericas@lemm.ee · 8 pts · 1y
in this case it would jaguars and pumas.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1y
"I just don't understand why he betrayed Us, I mean.. he did nothing but campaign on open contempt for our people, but surely he cant be held accountable for that! This is just so unexpected and blindsiding us!"
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 1y
He’s literally just doing what he said he would do. Did they not believe him, or were they too busy watching fake news to bother listening to what he said? I have no sympathy for the ones who voted for him, but unfortunately this affects the majority who didn’t.
resipsaloquitur@lemm.ee · 11 pts · 1y
He tells it like it is.
Also, he didn’t mean what he said.
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 1y
Something something about leopards eating faces…..
jabeez@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 1y
Even worse, these are people that voted for the leopards that explicitly said they'd eat YOUR faces party, thought they must surely just be joking, or something!
Doom@ttrpg.network · 21 pts · 1y
fucking morons
I told them. Not racist totally legit all the Mexicans loved him, every other Hispanic I work with already hated him.
Ioughttamow@fedia.io · 20 pts · 1y
No shit. Like, come on. They’re white supremacists, they aren’t even quiet about that anymore, and we already had Trump run 1, we already saw what fucking happens, how the fuck people didn’t think it would be part 2, and worse than before, is beyond me
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1y
This is what wilful stupidity gets you.
Don't even pretend that no one warned you.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 1y
they fell for that authoritarianism is inherent and exclusive to communism. corporate authoritarianism tricked them into thinking it was their only protection from authoritarianism
RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1y
breezeblock@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 1y
A lot of Catholics are socially conservative.
RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 1y
There actually isn't in America.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 1y
"Latinos" learning that thinking you're "white" isn't the same as having white privilege.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/election-trump-latino-vote-paola-ramos
futatorius@lemm.ee · 17 pts · 1y
kipo@lemm.ee · 17 pts · 1y
The question is, will voters learn from this? Will they understand that when the president and his crew are straight up Nazis -- and congressional republicans do nothing to stop them because they support a Nazi agenda -- that the whole Republican party is now a Nazi party?
There won't be any "reasonable" Republicans to vote for going forword; they are all Nazis now.
samus12345@lemm.ee · 17 pts · 1y
History says no.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y
I used to live in a heavily Hispanic area, and I can tell you there absolutely will be nothing learned from any of it.
Cause any Republican attacks against Hispanics were always hand-waved away with some variant of "Of course, they're talking about (insert Hispanic group the speaker hates), not about the good ones like (insert Hispanic group the speaker belongs to). If it wasnt for (hated group) fucking it all up things would be better for all of us!"
Republicans don't make such distinctions, to Republicans all Hispanics are just Mexicans.
Which is how the leopards facial feast was laid out.
samus12345@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
They're not unique in that regard. All his supporters will hand-wave away anything that affects them negatively.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
It would help if the other side wasn't "vote for us or we'll let the nazis destroy the country to spite you."
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1y
Any Latino who voted for trump deserves what’s coming to them. We tried to warn you all.
baronvonj@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
I assume it's at least some level of hyperbole, but nobody deserves the concentration camp.
Freshparsnip@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
Trump deserves to be in a concentration camp because he remorselessly did it to other people
baronvonj@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
There aren't enough Trump's to have a high enough concentration of them to call it a concentration camp. He deserves righteous infliction of retribution. But I still wouldn't advocate for crimes against humanity on anyone.
Freshparsnip@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
I'm currently high and have decided nobody else should ever be arrested until Trump gets arrested. No, I did not think that through
baronvonj@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
😅
Archangel1313@lemm.ee · 16 pts · 1y
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y
Unfortunately a lot of the latino vote comes from the religious, macho, and anti-liberal attitudes they hold. Lots of them are catholic, and even if the republicans are absolutely full of shit when it comes to being “Christian”, their propaganda claiming they are has been very effective. The latter two are in a way perversely tied together. They like macho “strong man” leaders, but unfortunately there are a lot of latin/hispanic countries run by strong man leaders claiming to be liberal leftists that are nothing more than tyrants and authoritarians that wreck their countries. So they vote anti-liberal, associating liberal with tyrants, while supporting yet another “strong man” fascist that will fuck the country up.
*I am not latin, however I worked in a latin country and have worked with several latin/hispanic people and learned what I could about their country, culture and politics, and this is how it was explained to me.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 1y
In 2020 the democrats were calling the border wall racist and they won, then in 2024 it was "we're the ones who are actually gonna build the wall, Trump's all talk." They literally tried to position themselves to the right of Republicans on the issue in order to win over the mythical centrists, and predictably what happened was that their support among Latinos broke down.
A lot of these people are religious and conservative, but were willing to vote for Democrats as long as there was substantial differences on race/immigration. But even if they were the "lesser evil" on immigration from a pro-immigrant perspective - something which they denied as hard as they could, by the way - if the difference didn't appear substantial any more, if it was framed in technical arguments about how to do it rather than moral arguments about what to do, then many of them no longer saw it as damning and voted based on other issues where they're more aligned with Republicans.
This is often what swing voters actually look like, by the way, and why pivoting to the right to capture them is often counterproductive. It turns out pivoting right on an issue where doing so directly harms millions of people so you can appeal to the dozen or so people who like Dick Cheney loses elections. Swing voters are a lot more complex than the idiotic "conventional wisdom" that just has everyone at a different point on a one dimensional left-right scale.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y
There are not nearly enough leopards to handle this amount of face eating.
Ledericas@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
in the USA there are pumas and the occasional rare jaguar. plus wolves, and coyotes, and the house cats. maybe some peccaries can join in too, and some imported tigers.
cj2127@lemm.ee · 14 pts · 1y
As a fellow Latino, I feel nothing for them.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 1y
I still don't get it, why would you, as a Latino, support trump? What the hell were you expecting to happen?
You're that meme of sheep looking at a sign of a wolf saying "I'm going to eat you" and go "I like him, he says it how it is!"
Idiots
DarkGamer@fedia.io · 13 pts · 1y
Who could have predicted the man who opened his first presidential run by calling latino immigrants rapists would do this? /s
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
Barf. You guys were on the chopping block and you stuck your neck out for trump. I forgive you but how can you be so niave??
boughtmysoul@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
Whomp whooomp.
Trump could not have been clearer than he was.
Ledericas@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
and emphasized many times.
"i dont care about you, just your votes" " i dont care if you die, just your votes", "i love the poorly educated"
cabron_offsets@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
On a different note there's a new NGO called "Watch for diabetic Leopards" it seems leopards have been overfeeding in the last months and some are getting diabetes due to being overweight
MoreTea@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
If only someone had told them ...
kipo@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 1y
We never could have seen this coming!
^/s^
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 9 pts · 1y
Fucking duh. Latinos here in Canada have been laughing at you.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 1y
Every one of these people is an idiot.
nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl · 8 pts · 1y
After all this still 28% approves? Guess I need to call the White House and ask to tighten the knot a bit more then? /s
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
I'm sure the Latin community are still having the day they voted for.
Ledericas@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
the gop might speak "latin" to be on terms with them. maybe thier pastors can start reading the bible in latin like the old times of catholic.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 1y
Dumb fucks. It was obvious.
primemagnus@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 1y
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
Well, well, well .... LOL.
EfreetSK@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
Now calm down, Ned-dily-diddly-diddly-diddly... they did their best, shoddily-iddly-iddly-diddly... gotta be nice, hostily-iddly-diddly-iddly...Ah hell diddly-ding-dong-crap! Can't you morons do anything right?
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 1y
this is absolutely a leopards ate my face moment but let’s not forget that Latine people are not trump’s base. lots of people make it seem like he won because Latine people voted for him when that’s just not the case.
his base is, remains and always has been white racists.
j0ester@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
I’m sure that if they could go back in time, they’d still vote for that man over a woman.
Ilixtze@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 1y
Gusanos and Malinches: What the hell did you expect?
Ledericas@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 1y
he was always going to betray hispanic people, the gop never liked them.
Zak@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
I see no betrayal here. He said what he was going to do, and the trees voted for the axe.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Latino here, these people are morons
https://youtu.be/3f8SG9wkiFw
boonhet@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 1y
Now I'm not an American and definitely not a Latino, but I've heard there's a huge amount of Latinos who hate Latinos and want them all to stay out of the country (I.e fuck you, got mine), which is part of why they vote republican. Also all the Cuban refugees who really hate Cuba so they also vote republican just to make sure democrats don't ease the sanctions on Cuba - which are of course making life hard for people who have not yet escaped Cuba. Hell I bet without the sanctions a lot of people wouldn't be leaving it in the first place.
If all that is true, honestly, this is a peak leopards eating faces moment.
Natanael@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 1y
Also, foreign language propaganda from Republicans claiming democrats are socialists/communists (the kind that ruined Cuba, et Al), aimed at immigrants
Randomgal@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1y
Hate is a strong word, and it's a bit more nuanced than that. There is an internalized hostility that comes from the colonial era, where the way to climb the social ladder was by taking actions to seem more white. Like changing your name, converting, marrying a whiter* person, etc. These changes often explicitly implied rejecting whatever you were before. Anything indigenous was deemed as less than and less worthy than European stuff and therefore bad and to be abandoned.
And this is where this Hispanic on Hispanic hostility comes from. There is this idea that it is "better" to be on the side of privilege and those below are seen as a threat I.e. (the whites might notice you are not that white if they see you hanging out with those more connected to their roots).
This distinction is important because it comes not from blind-hate but from intergenerational trauma, as a defense mechanism.
A lot of modern day Latinos discovered what ttheir ancestors discovered a long time ago: They don't see all the colors you see. The only see non-white.
easily3667@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 1y
Blinsane@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 1y
derry@midwest.social · 4 pts · 1y
More faces are needed to feed the machine
4grams@awful.systems · 4 pts · 1y
Almost three in four 😐
UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y
German poet and playwright Berthold Brecht once said something to the effect that only the dumbest calves choose their own butcher.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Dumbasses
HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 1y
The leopards are gonna get diabetes from all the face they're gonna be eating and have eaten.
A_A@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Delirious electors who chose a demented president are brought back to reality
Geldaran@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
scottrepreneur@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Duh and/or hello
zebidiah@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1y
zebidiah@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1y
Shootingstarrz17@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y