That's an excellent idea, particularly because that service would use AI against the type of people who typically shill or welcome AI products. Let's build more of those.
Closer to forums than IG. Anything old school deserves to not be bundled in with the rest of "social media", so in that regard I get it. We still have handles though.
I don't think Lemmy would count as social media but that said, you can easily create a dummy account that just, for example, posts pictures of moths or beans or bread or whatever.
If you loosely follow the definition of social media to mean âWebsite where you can interact with people in any wayâ then yes.
But I think the average colloquial use of the term social media really refers to websites where you make a real life personal profile and share things on that profile. Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. You as the individual are the focus of those types of sites.
The (original at least) point of sites like Lemmy and Reddit is sharing information where you as an individual are not the focus. Hence posting to communities rather than your own wall or profile, the use of usernames over real names etc.
Lemmy is social media, but when people say "social media" they're typically referring to one of two things. They either mean all social media including legacy forums or they mean media that is directly tied to their real names.
Yep. Top German engineering schools are free even for people on student visas. Only like one or two are not. I looked in to it a while ago but I'm sure many are still free.
So an applicant with dangerous people in their life, maybe an abusive family member or a stalker ex, is forced to expose their accounts they would otherwise keep private. That's the first bad-case scenario that comes to mind, I'm sure there are more.
I propose a new rule - if so for me, then so for thee. Anything imposed on legal applicants is also imposed on the lawmakers who put it in place.
applicants for several kinds of student visas would be required to "adjust the privacy settings on all of their personal social media accounts to 'public'
They are so ridiculous.
But ofc it's not going to happen. They can lick my.
Ah damn, I was a state actor who was going to smuggle in sleeper agents to perform sabotage and espionage in the US, but I can't figure out how to create a fake social media profile. I admit defeat.
I imagine this is what will happen even though it's absurd. Like it's actively going to become detrimental to not be trackable via an online presence connected to your identity because there are people who are mad that you won't let them invade your privacy. Lol
@return2ozma@lemmy.world That's a pretty short sighted view considering just ~150 years ago the Democrats were the party against abolishing slavery. Times change, but American politics really don't.
Limiting the choice to the lesser of two evils only benefits one of the classes in the real fight. As Alaska (since 2022) and NYC (this week) have shown, RCV allows voters to select who they really want to lead regardless of whether polls say they are "wasting" their vote.
You're not wrong, but most of us don't have the benefit of ranked choice in our jurisdictions. Until we can get that, I'll continue to vote against the greater evil.
I dream of being able to one day vote for something instead of being forced to vote against something.
Well yeah but you have to get RCV first. But for the rest of us in FPTP land, we make do until enough of a movement for RCV is built â and you can't build a movement for RCV while basic rights are being stripped away and you're spending all your cycles on the back foot defending those and putting out fires. Eh, who am I kidding... The damage is irreparable, current Democrats (unless the party gets taken over by Mamdani clones) will just do their ratchet shit again and cement this as the new normal because they're fucking useless.
In FPTP, not voting the lesser evil gives you the greater evil. It's dead simple, but I'll be the first to admit it's a damn hard pill to swallow for us idealists (I should know, I was a Jimmy Dore fan in 2019-2020, took me ages to see through faux-left grift because it preys on idealism and perfectionism).
There are plenty of schools in Europe. There is no reason for essentially the equivalent of 1930s Jewish people to study in essentially Hitler's Germany in the 30s right when the smarter people were getting out.
Many jobs will already disqualify applicants if they donât have any social media, or refuse to provide account names. The rise of cancel culture means many businesses are extremely risk-averse, and donât want any employees who are prone to posting inflammatory things.
The issue is that they assume âI donât have social mediaâ is a lie. They assume itâs really just code for âI refuse to tell you what my username is.â
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say if a random immigration official knows about your anonymous lemmy account you were already mega-fucked on the immigration front. They've been watching you and probably have a 3 inch thick file on you before you walked in the door.
So what are they going to do if someone fires back with this? Deny their visa because they didn't agree to be spied on by a few of the worst companies on planet fucking earth? Is the government going to be able to somehow make me prove that I don't have social media?
Imagine a country, they spent billions over the last two centuries to build influence and they got to the top. Foreigners are willing to pay thousands of dollars for getting a degree in such country but no, let them go to a different country and get influenced by somebody else
i meant that whatever you show them, if you're white they're gonna say it's a real account, if you're black you're gonna get accused of showing them a fake second account
You know, when I got my current job, the people in my department said"we tried to find your Facebook but couldn't" and I said 'yeah that's because I don't have one."
13 years later, still don't.
Though honestly even our work teams chat would probably be too spicy for these motherfuckers. They just want a pretext to keep out anybody. Like some law impossible to follow, that they can selectively enforce.
With prep-time, any prosecutor and crew could dig up every tiny detail about you in about a week, including every single site any related IP addresses to you have been to and how much time you spend there and all of your dns queries.
But here, on the spot. "You tell us".
Their lack of effort is correlated to the amount of spite they have for any individual person. It's like using a magnifying glass. If they actually gave a shit, they wouldn't have to ask.
Itâs because the morons running the country donât think that constitutional freedoms apply to non-citizens. No freedom of speech if your speech hurts their feelings. Fuckin aye
People are missing the point here. Its not about this being a valid strategy to catch anyone but its a fascist strategy to display who's in control over you when you come here.
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SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world · 127 pts · 1y
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 86 pts · 1y
If you say that you have no social media accounts they will probably assume you're lying and deny you.
SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 1y
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 41 pts · 1y
Tomorrow there'll probably be a service to do exactly they. Give them a few pics and they'll deep fake an entire account for you.
frunch@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y
Trump, Job Creator đ¤ˇââď¸
Revan343@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 1y
Not American jobs, mind you...
RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 1y
That's an excellent idea, particularly because that service would use AI against the type of people who typically shill or welcome AI products. Let's build more of those.
GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1y
You can buy accounts.
fodor@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1y
TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub · 21 pts · 1y
How can you post here if you havenât had social media accounts since 2021?
SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
TheBlackLounge@lemm.ee · 29 pts · 1y
(they mean Lemmy is social media)
real_squids@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 1y
Closer to forums than IG. Anything old school deserves to not be bundled in with the rest of "social media", so in that regard I get it. We still have handles though.
404@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 1y
Nuke accounts 2021
Create new accounts 2022
ÂŻ\(ă)/ÂŻ
msage@programming.dev · 5 pts · 1y
It's so sweet that we want to act like anyone cares about our Lemmy history.
I mean if there was anyone harasses IRL for posting here, hit me up with a link.
But comparing Facebook to Lemmy is kind of funny.
dhork@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1y
.... but isn't Lemmy social media? And you're here. (Although I guess it is more accurately called antisocial media)
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 1y
I don't think Lemmy would count as social media but that said, you can easily create a dummy account that just, for example, posts pictures of moths or beans or bread or whatever.
merde@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 1y
anarchist!
Sturgist@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1y
Yes? Anything I can help you with?
inconel@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1y
I know nothing about how it works but won't immigration check account age for their legitimacy?
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
If you loosely follow the definition of social media to mean âWebsite where you can interact with people in any wayâ then yes.
But I think the average colloquial use of the term social media really refers to websites where you make a real life personal profile and share things on that profile. Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. You as the individual are the focus of those types of sites.
The (original at least) point of sites like Lemmy and Reddit is sharing information where you as an individual are not the focus. Hence posting to communities rather than your own wall or profile, the use of usernames over real names etc.
TORFdot0@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
Lemmy also canât be used non-publicly so a pointless distinction considering the context.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 5 pts · 1y
Lemmy is social media, but when people say "social media" they're typically referring to one of two things. They either mean all social media including legacy forums or they mean media that is directly tied to their real names.
Dave@lemmy.nz · 4 pts · 1y
I've heard social media where you interact with strangers instead of "friends" referred to as "antisocial media".
ReallyAngryNerd@europe.pub · 82 pts · 1y
Europe has great universities. Come study here.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee · 33 pts · 1y
Some even free too
Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
free for Americans too?
pineapplelover@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
Yep. Top German engineering schools are free even for people on student visas. Only like one or two are not. I looked in to it a while ago but I'm sure many are still free.
https://planforgermany.com/list-of-public-universities-in-germany-that-offer-free-studies-for-international-students/
starlinguk@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Some of them no longer allow foreign students and some of them charge an absolute fortune to foreigners.
Vanth@reddthat.com · 53 pts · 1y
So an applicant with dangerous people in their life, maybe an abusive family member or a stalker ex, is forced to expose their accounts they would otherwise keep private. That's the first bad-case scenario that comes to mind, I'm sure there are more.
I propose a new rule - if so for me, then so for thee. Anything imposed on legal applicants is also imposed on the lawmakers who put it in place.
fodor@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1y
Vanth@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 1y
But one shouldn't have to.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 50 pts · 1y
They are so ridiculous.
But ofc it's not going to happen. They can lick my.
fodor@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1y
starlinguk@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
I can't believe there are still people saying stuff like this won't happen.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works · 44 pts · 1y
Ah damn, I was a state actor who was going to smuggle in sleeper agents to perform sabotage and espionage in the US, but I can't figure out how to create a fake social media profile. I admit defeat.
m4xie@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 1y
At least you're not a teenager that has ever expressed any sympathy for Palestinians. Those are the real threat.
First_Thunder@lemmy.zip · 42 pts · 1y
What the hell, I went to check the official website for my embassy and this is true??
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 1y
Yep, here's a US government source.
https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2025/06/announcement-of-expanded-screening-and-vetting-for-visa-applicants/
p_kanarinac@retrolemmy.com · 36 pts · 1y
Yet another reason not to study there. Ideological screening, what a joke.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 33 pts · 1y
make social media private
say "i don't have social media"
problem solved.
einkorn@feddit.org · 28 pts · 1y
wastelandpilot@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 1y
I imagine this is what will happen even though it's absurd. Like it's actively going to become detrimental to not be trackable via an online presence connected to your identity because there are people who are mad that you won't let them invade your privacy. Lol
fodor@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 1y
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 1y
Find what?
I haven't had "traditional" social media for years and what I did have has since been deleted, or so I'm told.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Then do it for real. Social media is kinda shit anyway.
KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1y
I bet the nazi's will have fake "real" ones ready to go either way. When they want to take their current purge to the next level, you're fucking done.
don't go to shithole america
Actual problem solved.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 1y
Trash country continues circling the drain.
Remember folks, always vote against Republicans in the most likely manner to prevent them from having any level of power.
kreynen@kbin.melroy.org · -1 pts · 1y
@DarkFuture@lemmy.world
@return2ozma@lemmy.world That's a pretty short sighted view considering just ~150 years ago the Democrats were the party against abolishing slavery. Times change, but American politics really don't.
Limiting the choice to the lesser of two evils only benefits one of the classes in the real fight. As Alaska (since 2022) and NYC (this week) have shown, RCV allows voters to select who they really want to lead regardless of whether polls say they are "wasting" their vote.
Atropos@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
You're not wrong, but most of us don't have the benefit of ranked choice in our jurisdictions. Until we can get that, I'll continue to vote against the greater evil.
I dream of being able to one day vote for something instead of being forced to vote against something.
gabbath@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Well yeah but you have to get RCV first. But for the rest of us in FPTP land, we make do until enough of a movement for RCV is built â and you can't build a movement for RCV while basic rights are being stripped away and you're spending all your cycles on the back foot defending those and putting out fires. Eh, who am I kidding... The damage is irreparable, current Democrats (unless the party gets taken over by Mamdani clones) will just do their ratchet shit again and cement this as the new normal because they're fucking useless.
In FPTP, not voting the lesser evil gives you the greater evil. It's dead simple, but I'll be the first to admit it's a damn hard pill to swallow for us idealists (I should know, I was a Jimmy Dore fan in 2019-2020, took me ages to see through faux-left grift because it preys on idealism and perfectionism).
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 31 pts · 1y
This will be a boon for stalkers.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 1y
There are plenty of schools in Europe. There is no reason for essentially the equivalent of 1930s Jewish people to study in essentially Hitler's Germany in the 30s right when the smarter people were getting out.
misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 1y
INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone · 26 pts · 1y
What happens if you don't have any social media? I haven't posted under my name on anything in a decade...
whoisearth@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 1y
Honestly speaking I see a future where people like us are left out of an integral part of the economy.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y
Many jobs will already disqualify applicants if they donât have any social media, or refuse to provide account names. The rise of cancel culture means many businesses are extremely risk-averse, and donât want any employees who are prone to posting inflammatory things.
INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 1y
I would think that having no social media is a good thing for employers then...
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
The issue is that they assume âI donât have social mediaâ is a lie. They assume itâs really just code for âI refuse to tell you what my username is.â
INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 1y
Fine, here is my pornhub account smh.
dubyakay@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 1y
You will have to disclose your lemmy account.
Hobo@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say if a random immigration official knows about your anonymous lemmy account you were already mega-fucked on the immigration front. They've been watching you and probably have a 3 inch thick file on you before you walked in the door.
INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 1y
Welp here it is.
I love trump!
match@pawb.social · 20 pts · 1y
Hello ICE agents, let me walk you through my DeviantArt account. And here's my second DeviantArt account dedicated to the weird shit.
Dhrystone@infosec.pub · 18 pts · 1y
âYeah, I donât have one. Cheers.â
</curb_your_enthusiasm_end_credits_theme>
isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 1y
like they'll belive that
Professorozone@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1y
Why the hell would anyone apply for a visa to come here?
Furbag@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1y
"I don't use social media and never have."
So what are they going to do if someone fires back with this? Deny their visa because they didn't agree to be spied on by a few of the worst companies on planet fucking earth? Is the government going to be able to somehow make me prove that I don't have social media?
We have the stupidest people in charge right now.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1y
Imagine a country, they spent billions over the last two centuries to build influence and they got to the top. Foreigners are willing to pay thousands of dollars for getting a degree in such country but no, let them go to a different country and get influenced by somebody else
clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1y
well, have burner social media accounts as well
fodor@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 1y
isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de · 17 pts · 1y
sqgl@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1y
Shouldn't the burner be the whiter one?
isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 1y
i meant that whatever you show them, if you're white they're gonna say it's a real account, if you're black you're gonna get accused of showing them a fake second account
LordCrom@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
How many false positives will it have when trying to find accounts for John Smith
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
"What do you mean this 5 year old account has no posts?"
"Work made me get one, but the UI gives me headaches. I think it gives everyone headaches really."
PushButton@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y
That country want to be alone, so leave them alone!
RBWells@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
You know, when I got my current job, the people in my department said"we tried to find your Facebook but couldn't" and I said 'yeah that's because I don't have one."
13 years later, still don't.
Though honestly even our work teams chat would probably be too spicy for these motherfuckers. They just want a pretext to keep out anybody. Like some law impossible to follow, that they can selectively enforce.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
*social media accounts that they know of
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 1y
I question this, and really, their availability.
With prep-time, any prosecutor and crew could dig up every tiny detail about you in about a week, including every single site any related IP addresses to you have been to and how much time you spend there and all of your dns queries.
But here, on the spot. "You tell us".
Their lack of effort is correlated to the amount of spite they have for any individual person. It's like using a magnifying glass. If they actually gave a shit, they wouldn't have to ask.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 1y
vhstape@lemmy.sdf.org · 8 pts · 1y
Itâs because the morons running the country donât think that constitutional freedoms apply to non-citizens. No freedom of speech if your speech hurts their feelings. Fuckin aye
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org · 11 pts · 1y
And how long before that applies to citizens too? If Free Speech and Free Expression on the whole aren't dead yet, they've got a foot in the grave
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Bout two months ago at the latest
Zron@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Well itâs been like 5 months and weâre already here, so maybe another 6 months to a year?
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
They already didn't think constitutional rights applied to anyone within 100 miles of the boarder. Hell, the SC(in 75) had to say, yes, children are citizens and also had rights.
drmoose@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
People are missing the point here. Its not about this being a valid strategy to catch anyone but its a fascist strategy to display who's in control over you when you come here.
Zenith@lemm.ee · 6 pts · 1y
Delete all social media problem solved
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
Can't proved they have been deleted and can't prove you don't have more.
Problem created.
starlinguk@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
They trick is to keep some harmless ones. They're not going to believe you don't have social media.
I have two social media accounts that I just use to discuss the weather and post pictures of the cat.
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 1y
Brain drain away!
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Because it's completely impossible to create a fake account that worship trump and has a lot of maga posts
drmoose@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Its not about logic it's about fascism - they want everyone to know who has power on you even if it doesn't actually do much in practice.
daggermoon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Most based article from a Libertarian news site I've ever read.
Fijxu@programming.dev · 1 pts · 1y
And what if I have Instagram but I don't publish anything on it? lol
MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y