A video recorded last week has ignited outrage online after it captured ICE agents violently arresting two brothers in South Norwalk, Connecticut, in broad daylight without producing a warrant. The men, identified as Ricardo Chavez and his brother, reportedly hold legal status to live and work in the United States.
The footage (credit @alwaysfilmthepolice) shows plainclothes ICE agents forcibly detaining the men in a public area. Witnesses say the agents refused to provide identification or present a warrant when asked, instead resorting to physical force and a taser to subdue the brothers before hauling them away. They also allegedly damaged their vehicle.
Community members who know the Chavez family insist that both men are law-abiding residents with valid documentation. “They work, they pay taxes, and they belong here,” said one South Norwalk resident who witnessed the arrest. “This was nothing short of a kidnapping.”
195 Comments
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 233 pts · 361d
I have no idea how not a single ICE agent has been killed yet?
Apparently the good guy with a gun is a myth.
gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world · 172 pts · 361d
Because they don't try this shit with people who look like they can hit back, most of those have real arrest warrants on them so they can leave that for local and state cops to deal with and just focus on ambushing students and day laborers and people with small children
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 86 pts · 361d
Same comment:
I have no idea how not a single ICE agent has been killed yet?
Apparently the good guy with a gun is a myth.
I am low key shocked that some group of vigilantes hasn’t straight up ambushed a pack of ICEheads yet.
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 76 pts · 361d
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 360d
Damn... I hope there are more people like this, and that there's a good reason why we never hear about them.
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 360d
Link to get around paywall.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 360d
That didn't work for me. Still cuts off after one paragraph.
Here's an article I found from a local affiliate: https://www.fox4news.com/news/texas-ice-detention-center-attack-alvarado
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 361d
Sadly, I don't think that will happen on any scale as long at the main targets are brown.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 361d
And undocumented, which makes it not feasible to own a gun if they wanted to.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 361d
It always has been.
redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 31 pts · 361d
That's a poor strategy and most people understand that on some level. Either because of the civil rights movement and understanding the value of the moral high ground or because people understand they want violence to declare martial law. That just isn't the play.
Also Luigi isn't a myth.
azertyfun@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 361d
I won't comment on whether political violence is the right thing to do, but if you think the civil rights movement was peaceful you've been taught some disgustingly whitewashed history. Ever heard of the Black Panthers? They got in firefights with the police all the time, even though many would later pretend that MLK was the only and unanimous voice for all of America's oppressed.
Also the whole Civil Rights movement can be traced to the Civil War, instigated in part by people like John Brown whose whole thing was massacring slavers in the name of God.
This rewriting of history of America as a nation of peaceful citizens who got their Rights by Asking Nicely fucking pisses me off.
bilb@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 361d
And MLK himself is extremely whitewashed. His focus on economic justice and anti-imperialism are typically left out of the stories told about him in media. As well as the fact that he was broadly unpopular with Americans in his time.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 361d
Also the fact that he credited the Black Panthers with allowing him to be able to do what he was doing by protecting the protesters from retribution, and saying that the only reason that they weren't doing anything more was because what they were doing already was illegal and anything more would risk actual jail time.
Mirshe@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 360d
There's also the armed nonviolent wing that gets left out, like the Deacons and the various unaffiliated armed people who literally did have to be ready to kill in order to defend some of the nonviolent protestors - one SNCC person in an interview mentioned they and a few friends were staying at an old black woman's home after a march in Alabama, and she had half of the local black community entrenched, quite literally, with their guns in her front yard all night, because the police had shown up with what amounted to a lynch mob for the protestors.
I also think a lot of people confuse moral nonviolence with strategic nonviolence or pacifism. You can be nonviolent and still be absolutely armed, trained, and ready to do violence if needed.
There's a fantastic book, This Nonviolent Stuff Will Get You Killed, that really hits the lost portions of the civil rights movement, including the armed wing of the movement.
thedruid@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 361d
The reason for gun control was Regan was afraid of the balck panthers owning guns.
Full stop
redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 361d
Thank you boondocks for showing me Malcolm X. Yeah I know but this game is a bit different. Gotta be smarter this go around, money, it's all money. Your color never really mattered it was just convenient.
azertyfun@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 361d
If it's all money... How do you propose the fascists will go away? Good words and peaceful protests don't mean shit when the oligarchs own the quasi-totality of the media landscape.
As a totally unrelated thought, Luigi's alleged cheap 3D printer did more for access to healthcare in the US than every government from the past decade-and-a-half and that's a straight fact.
redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 361d
Pay half the fascist to deal with the other half! Lucky for us all they're selfish whores to their very core.
njm1314@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 361d
I tell you what the real myth is. Thinking they need violence to declare martial law. They clearly don't. So that's an argument people need to stop making.
redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 361d
Real martial law. And they need footage for the news they just are not getting right now. Not to say the current state of things is sustainable.
Katana314@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 361d
It's possible they have, and those incidents get suppressed for fear of encouraging imitators - similar to Luigi Mangione.
News sites want you scared, but not angry.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 9 pts · 360d
Because they are well armed. Attacking them would be a suicide mission and people are not suicidal.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 360d
Citation needed
Soulg@ani.social · 1 pts · 360d
Most people*
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 90 pts · 361d
The fuck is the point of 2a if not to resist this?
Boddhisatva@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 361d
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 361d
They are also simply not in their neighborhoods.
Bwaz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 360d
I have to concur. I used to work at a place where some portion of employees were NRA style gun owners. Couldn't help noticing that the people always going on about guns were psychopaths that least should've been allowed near anything dangerous.
arin@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 361d
That's why https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/huntington-park-border-patrol-agents-door-explosion/3734095/ we lost our government to fascists. They control our military
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 361d
That's what the 2a is for. Resistance.
arin@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 361d
please view the linked article and video of what happened at the house in the article.
Revan343@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 361d
I read the article. Shooting agents such as those in the article is what the second amendment is for
arin@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 361d
lmao watch the video. rip to you
Revan343@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 361d
I saw the video. Do you think that you have a point, or are you just making dipshit comments for fun?
arin@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 361d
You did not see the video, anyone with half a brain would know the outcome if anyone tried to 2a in that situation. Living is better than swiss cheese
zebidiah@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 361d
I always thought the whole point of 2a was to shoot POC... But I'm not an American so maybe the nuance is lost on me
NeilBru@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 361d
I am an American "person of color" (gods, what stupid phrase... fuck this newspeak) who owns firearms (at home; I live abroad currently).
Here's the exact verbiage of the 2nd Amendment:
Interpret that as thou wilt; we've been arguing about it since about 1791.
For what it's worth, I'd amend the amendment to include this snippet from Marx, just to confuse us all even more:
minnow@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 361d
I don't disagree about anything you said, just a quick note because it's a term that's worth understanding:
"Newspeak" is a concept based on the dumbing down of language in order to make communication more difficult and complex concepts almost impossible. It's not just new words or phrases. If it's not damaging our ability to think and communicate, it's not Newspeak. For this reason, "politically correct" alternatives (like "POC"), as well as increasingly specific terms (like "omnisexual" or "demi girl") don't qualify as Newspeak because they either continue the existing ability to think and communicate or enhance it by being more exacting about the concepts involved.
I'm not trying to be pedantic, it's just important to me that people understand what Newspeak really is because the fascists really are trying to implement it as a means of reducing resistance against them. My favorite example is "climate change" which was a term introduced by right wing think tanks to undermine the more accurate (and more alarming) term "global warming." And it worked.
Anyway, again I don't disagree with your points, so please carry on!
Chivera@lemmy.world · 72 pts · 361d
Surely the don't tread on me people are fuming and about to patrol the streets to keep their communities safe, right?
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 361d
Don't Tread on me people are perfectly fine with other people getting tread on.
ssroxnak@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 361d
ICE isn't going to their communities
madjo@feddit.nl · 16 pts · 361d
I've only heard the "don't tread on me" weirdos sing the cell block tango. "they had it coming, they only had themselves to blame."
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 361d
""Better to be judged by 12 than to be kidnapped and dragged to a death camp by as few as 2!"
flandish@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 361d
Reminder: nazis are worthless pieces of trash. Who could possibly still pull out of this mess with major life changes and yadda yadda.
Nazi COPS are not saveable. They are monsters.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · -22 pts · 361d
Dehumanizing one's enemies is what Nazis do.
foggy@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 361d
We need not tolerate the intolerant. Else we have a paradox.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · -9 pts · 361d
So don't tolerate them. Don't act like them either.
flandish@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 361d
again with this? tolerating the intolerant is not possible. in addition, I did not dehumanize them. they do it to themselves.
why do you support nazis?
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 361d
It's not about tolerating the intolerant, it's about not using their same thought process lest you fall prey to the same kinds of propaganda. Besides, removing their humanity absolves them of their sin. This isn't like a house cat killing birds on instinct, these people choose to do this. And they should be treated accordingly.
Broke: Nazis aren't human
Woke: The worst monsters to be born on this planet are all human, and they all seem to really like swastikas
flandish@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 360d
fair and cogent reply. i’ll take it. :)
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 360d
It's not even close to the same thought process though. You have to know that, right?
Also, I take issue with the entire concept of "sin," so that argument holds no water for me. I mean, what a meaningless "argument". How does it absolve them of anything??
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 360d
It absolutely is. It's a thought process people use to make their actions easier to justify to their own sense of morality and empathy. Militaries drill that same thought process into soldiers for the same reason. It's much easier to shoot something than it is to shoot somebody, so your enemy must be less than human to make pulling the trigger easier. So you turn a group of people into the Other. And the more you do it, the easier it gets, and all it takes is somebody convincing you that the wrong group deserves the same treatment.
"My enemy isn't human. My enemy is less than human. Since the dawning of Mankind, this has been the battlecry."
I don't care one way or another about the theology around the word "sin," but it's the perfect word to describe their actions. By reducing them to subhuman, you make it easy to remove their free will in the equation - it becomes the "just following orders" excuse - and it's incredibly important to remember that they chose to do this. Nobody is born hateful, hatred is learned. They made the conscious choice to be hateful and act this way, and they should be held accountable for that choice.
People have a hard time accepting that the worst people this planet has ever seen are as human as you and me, but to deny it is to turn a blind eye to the fact that the people in that video could be our neighbors, friends, or family. Because we know them, and they're good people, so they'd never do something like that, right?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 359d
I know full well that they are human, and that any human is capable of vile things... I'm not literally dehumanizing people in that I literally see them as subhuman.
I just have a special category on human for fascists that deserve nothing but pain and death because that's what they are intent on inflicting on the world. They need to be stopped before they literally murder millions of innocent people.
Soulg@ani.social · 0 pts · 360d
Much more well put than I could do myself.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · -6 pts · 361d
"They are no longer human" doesn't count as dehumanizing? Is english not your first language?
418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 361d
Those seeking to destroy humanity are not worthy of our humanity.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 361d
Are you saying that to defeat Nazis we must become Nazis?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 360d
What do you think a Nazi actually is? Because it isn't "stop fascists from killing other people."
Why do you keep equating these two things? It's weird.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 360d
Why are you using Nazi tactics when you supposedly want to stop Nazis?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 360d
What "Nazi tactics" am I using, specifically? I would love to know.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 360d
Dehumanization
418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 360d
If that’s how your spongy brain wants to see it, sure. By that logic, all of the WWII veterans are actually Nazis.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 360d
WW2 veterans didn't dehumanize people, wtf are you talking about?
michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 360d
They just shot them and turned them into hamburger
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 360d
They treated them as enemies, not non-humans. Its an important distinction. Its the reason they were the good guys and you're not.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 360d
Cops are taking people to concentration camps which will certainly become death camps or slavery in time
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 360d
I agree that they're bad people. I do not agree that they aren't people.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 360d
Oh fuck off. People are pissed off and rightly so, don’t impose your bloated sense of morality on them and try to villainize the people being put under the boot of fascists for viewing those fascists as inhuman monsters when they are acting like inhuman monsters. Asking people to humanize victims is fine, but demanding that people humanize those that terrorize them is just moral masturbation. Shut the hell up.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 360d
No.
My sense of morality is the reason I'm not a Nazi and don't act like a Nazi.
You know what, you're right. We should just shrug, throw our hands up, and declare "guess they're just evil subhuman scum!" instead of looking at the problem objectively and dealing with the societal issues that lead human beings into these kinds of ideologies. I bet that'll work this time.
Bullshit. They are human beings. They have some really bad beliefs and it's ok to dislike them. You're already justified. You don't need the hyperbolus bullshit. You don't need to talk exactly like they do to make your point.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 360d
Fuck fascists. They are subhuman scum because they are actively choosing to be subhuman scum. They forfeit their right to be regarded as a person and became part of a system of hate. It’s not an innate trait of who they are, and I’m not giving them the benefit of empathy when they are making the choice of viewing real people as targets out of pure hatred of them being a different skin color or speaking a different language or being born on a different piece of land. Nazis and fascists gave up their humanity by choice, not by nature. You’re begging sympathy for the devil to appease your ego to feel holier than thou. Fuck your soap box.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 359d
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the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 359d
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 360d
Yep. Which is why they need to be dehumanized. There is a difference when it's targeting one specific group because of their murderous hatred. They need to be stopped.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 360d
You can stop them without using their rhetoric.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 360d
History has shown us that there is only one way to stop them. I guess people like you need to learn the hard way again, rather than learn from history.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 360d
How exactly is saying "they're not human" on the internet going to stop them?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 360d
Read a history book, then maybe you'll understand what I was referring to.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 360d
I've read a few, but none of them said that we defeated Hitler by calling him subhuman on the internet.
callouscomic@lemmy.zip · 68 pts · 361d
This is eventually going to result in a new Black Panther or Guardian Angel group like the 60s/70s.
Will be interesting to see these masked pieces of shit face some actual competition brandishing fucking rifles.
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 361d
Yup, then martial law and suspended elections. It’s almost like their plans are publicly available.
Zron@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 360d
We’ll hold our own elections, with blackjack and hookers
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 361d
Las Panteras Negras
TheMinister@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 360d
How about Las Masqueras Negras. El Bloc Negro.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 360d
¿Es ese "black bloc" en español?
I'm surprised at the general lack of references to black bloc in these times.
TheMinister@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 360d
No se. Traducía palabra por cada uno. Puede ser, como dijiste, nadie está hablando sobre el black block en estos días
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 360d
Yeah. It's very surprising considering how relevant black bloc is to the current circumstances. Seems like something protestors need to be aware of an practice for safety and solidarity.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 360d
Hey, if ICE is using those tactics, we should, too!
iridebikes@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 360d
Maybe the citizens with guns need to show up when kidnappings are going down... Might change the new ICE employees minds.
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 360d
Will probably just escalate even more.
dhork@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 360d
Ironically, the guy who ran the Guardian Angels is now the Republican candidate for NYC Mayor....
TheMinister@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 360d
https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/02/08/sliwa-faces-of-torrent-of-political-outrage-after-times-square-migrant-fiasco/
The guardian angels are just different pieces of shit
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 360d
Maybe they'll use the rifles?
skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de · 63 pts · 361d
Freefall@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 361d
If they don't identify themselves, they are kidnappers and
SECOND AMENDMENT.
uhmbah@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 361d
I see the 5th and 14th above... as a non American, can someone post the Second Amendment and then I'll be able to post all three amendments to thousands of posts. And feel smug about it.
Seriously, these need to be constantly posted in every single thread where it's required
dermanus@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 360d
2nd amendment is the right to bear arms.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 361d
Federal government:
RangerAndTheCat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 361d
Did the new season drop yet !?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 361d
Not yet, October 29th. I'm looking forward to it! The songs were surprisingly good.
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 3 pts · 361d
The songs are pretty good! Most of the Helluva Boss songs are decent, but after having heard them dozens of times each... some of them just start sounding like shit tbh. There were only 1 or 2 Hazbin songs I actively found a bit annoying.
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 3 pts · 361d
No. December, probably.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 361d
October 29th, last I heard.
AngryRobot@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 361d
You made the classic mistake of forgetting the footnote, silly! See, now it all makes sense!
madjo@feddit.nl · 10 pts · 361d
Sure, but that only counts if you have due process, and if people are still presumed innocent until proven guilty.
But if you don't get your day in court, you can't do anything about this.
sirico@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 361d
Only worth that the people defend
Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 361d
Problem is there will be plenty of USAians still saying “this is what I voted for”.
ebolapie@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 361d
Right up until their door gets kicked in.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 360d
that is another reason why they wear masks, what they do is clearly illegal. they only get away with it because the goverment is run by crooks (but who still haven't had enough time to change every law so instead they need to use masked bandits).
pieman@lemmy.ml · 48 pts · 360d
Watching this shit happen in America from afar really is a mind fuck. I continue to fail to understand how Trump can still have any support is beyond me. The facism is just so god damn blatant at this point
TheMinister@sh.itjust.works · 43 pts · 360d
Racism. The answer is racism. His white supremacist supporters love watching masked secret police beat the shit out of brown people. Then they’ll blame the next closest person when the food stops being produced and the farm food all rots on the vine
Will8250@lemmings.world · 21 pts · 360d
I saw a bumper sticker the other day that resonated with me "Stop pretending your racism is patriotism"
It reminded me of something an African American woman said to me during college more than 20 years ago "I always watch out for people that love to fly the American flag because you never know what that really means."
TheMinister@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 360d
Well 20 years ago nationalism in the US was at seemingly an all time high. It was hat dressed up as patriotism
immutable@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 360d
And beyond racism it is happening in blue cities.
His supporters are primed to think that cities are dangerous places already, and that a city led by liberals is in shambles, and that all the people living there are lawless liberals that deserve punishment.
They are cheering about this because they see it as sending their troops to go hurt others. Whether those people are other because of their race, their religion, their gender, their sexuality, or their political beliefs.
And when these same people find out that something about them or a loved one makes them other they will act shocked. They will protest that they aren’t an other they are in the in-group.
And then they will learn the true nature of fascism. The in-group is constantly shrinking, because there must always be an other to blame. And they will learn that lesson too late.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 48 pts · 360d
Alleged ICE agents. They haven't identified themselves, can we really say they're federal agents?
Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de · 36 pts · 361d
End qualified immunity! Any politicians that want a future in government should be call for this.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 31 pts · 361d
Well Harris wasn’t progressive enough for me so this is okay so we can show the democrats we’re sick of them.
null@lemmy.nullspace.lol · 14 pts · 361d
Yeah but she supports genocide or something.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 361d
If 4 years of bullshit leads to a stronger opposition party that can learn from this and make sure it never happens again, great. That's admittedly a big bet against heavy odds but one can hope.
People forget this is the second time trump has been president. The Democrats had 4 years to prepare to prevent what we're currently living with. And they came up with a plan, they chose a doddering senile old man as their candidate then when it became obvious that he was a doddering senile old man they replaced him midstream with his deeply flawed and uncharismatic VP. And she lost, wow, I'm shocked.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · -3 pts · 361d
So you’re not worried about the people who will die because Trump is in power?
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 361d
There's very little I can do about it now. If i.could go back and change it I would. I can't, so I'm hoping the DNC learns from this. I'm not holding my breath. I'm 90% convinced they're controlled opposition and have been actively working towards this.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · -6 pts · 361d
So you’re not, I got it.
null@lemmy.nullspace.lol · -5 pts · 360d
I don't get why they try and weasel around it. Just own it, tankies.
Corn@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 360d
We aren't the ones who could have simple not funded ICE.
null@lemmy.nullspace.lol · 0 pts · 360d
And so, you're fine with what's happening under Trump. Yes, we get it.
Just own that, and stop weasling.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 361d
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 361d
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 361d
Remember in 2019 when Hong Kong protestors called the US for help?
Yeah... about that... 👀
(I saw the image and I immediately thought of Hong Kong)
lowleekun@ani.social · 5 pts · 360d
The day someone actually kills ICE-Nazis is the day i will send financial support to muricans.
VeryVito@lemmy.ml · 26 pts · 361d
I’m quickly running out of chewing gum.
rothaine@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 361d
Anyone have a link to the video? Trying to save all of these since they tend to disappear
uhmbah@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 361d
https://web.archive.org/web/20250820120402/https://thenerdstash.com/masked-ice-agents-smash-car-beat-and-arrest-local-father-without-warrant-in-connecticut-another-day-in-dystopian-hell/
rothaine@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 361d
That only has screenshots and a link to Instagram which wants me to sign in 😢
iAvicenna@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 360d
https://www.reddit.com/r/RealPublickFreakouts/comments/1mswt26/ice_agents_in_south_norwalk_ct_violently/
rothaine@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 359d
Ty! Downloaded
tomenzgg@midwest.social · 19 pts · 360d
We should bring back tarring and feathering.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 360d
It’ll keep happening until we all show up with baseball bats.
jouhija@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 360d
'Muricans should have more than enough guns. Where are they now? Hiding like rats, waiting for the Nazis to fully take over?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 360d
Organized federal financed paramilitary units with a hierarchy and a support structure and a multi-billion dollar PR budget are going to outperform random disconnected vigilantes who are too afraid to so much as wave at one another.
This is the same problem the Spanish Anarchists had against Franco. Its the problem German and Italian Communists had against the Fascist/Monarchist alliance. It's the problem the French Resistance had against the Nazi occupation and the Hamas / Hezbollah resistance has had against the IDF.
Simply owning a firearm isn't enough. You need a community of like-minded people operating in concert towards a recognized goal. That's the difference between the Vietcong and Ruby Ridge. That's what separates successful insurgencies from "lone wolf waterboarded to death in Gitmo blacksite".
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 360d
Joining the Nazis.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 360d
The ones with guns are mostly just cheering them on from the sidelines
Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 360d
That's because the majority of them are fascists. What happened to American exceptionalism? It never existed. it's a nation of soft wanna be humans disguised as capitalists.
atticus88th@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 360d
Blue states have encouraged disarming while the red are stockpiling. Wonder who ICE are targeting....
Olhonestjim@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 360d
Not in Connecticut. That's the point.
Soulg@ani.social · 2 pts · 360d
The vast majority of the gun freaks are on their side.
bluejayway@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 360d
many of us have mental illnesses that would put us or others in danger if we had a gun. trust me, i believe in arming ourselves, especially minorities, but what if one day i have no impulse control and shoot myself? im at a loss.
StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 360d
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 360d
Just find like-minded people, dress up like they do, don't identify yourself and wear a mask, and do whatever you want. It seems to work for them.
bigbabybilly@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 360d
Imagine, I got a 7 day ban on Reddit for saying it would be funny if someone stole an ICE dick’s car and left him standing there with his little mask.
These guys deserve so much worse than being stranded like that. And Reddit is ri-god-damn-diculous.
tatterdemalion@programming.dev · 12 pts · 361d
Oh so we're using lethal force (tasers) on suspected illegal immigrants now?
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 360d
Yep, MAGA is filled with fucking neo-Nazis who want to turn the USA in to 1930's Germany.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 360d
Authoritarian hell…
C1pher@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 359d
Dont you guys have the ENTIRE amendment against this shit? Wear a strap, conceal carry and if somebody tries to literally kidnap you, just protect yourself.
wampus@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 359d
I imagine for most, outside of a larger organised effort, the calculus is fairly simple. ICE agents are likely "itching" for someone to reach for a piece, for an excuse to shoot an "illegal". And it's not like law enforcement's going to show up acting all reasonable to a scene with dead ICE agents too. Anyone shooting an ICE agent would get plastered all over FOX not as a defender of individual rights, but as a case in point for the propaganda machine.
Resisting is an almost certain death warrant. Not resisting you maintain 'hope' that reasonable minds will win out in the end / that you'll only be locked up for a short time.
C1pher@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 359d
You are right in your assessment, but unfortunately, if nobody starts with active defense, it will only get worse and more "accepted" by society. That is how indoctrination is done, in small steps, "checking the water" for whats accepted by the masses and whats not, slowly pushing more and more into the extremes.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 361d
alot of them are also just dressing up as ice, not employed by them too.
modus@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 360d
Man I want to walk up behind the Nazi in that third pic and kick him in the grundle so hard.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 360d
*has ancestors that hauled ass all the way from Europe, beats latin americans because immigrant"
griff@lemmings.world · 3 pts · 361d
Iceholes doing god’s work, as ever
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · -13 pts · 361d
They don't need to produce a warrant. Please direct your outrage correctly.
"Section 287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act provides ICE officers the authority to arrest aliens without a judicial warrant."
This has always been the case. It's not Russia, it's not Trump, the outrage should be directed at the "Immigration and Nationality Act" but I guess when Biden or Obama were President it was OK?
Been that way since at least 1990. So, um, when Obama was the Deporter in Chief, I don't remember people jumping out of their skins like now?
Uruanna@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 361d
Was there a daily occurrence of masked ICE agents with no identification smashing cars and grabbing people under Obama? I understand you want to talk about Democrats gladly participating in laws that help fascists, and you're right, but it's still valid to show the active fascist shift by listing the occurrences that pile up now when they didn't before - not nearly as much.
fosho@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 361d
don't call it a warrant then, call it proof that these people are aliens because it doesn't appear they actually have this either. and without that then they are violating a different law.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 360d
They actually require reason to believe you are hear illegally not skin color or accent nor presence outside home Depot
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 360d
Sure but that's different than going on and on about "no warrant".
michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 359d
most arrests in a non-racist US would have to effectively be as paper driven as any other arrest a targeted enforcement against bob who we know overstayed his visa or james whom we caught sneaking in.
The problem with other actions is that they are inherently going to involve demanding papers in a fashion that is inherently illegal. You don't have to anywhere show proof of citizenship to walk down the way.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 359d
OK but ICE doesn't have to show a warrant and it's always been that way. I didn't invent that, neither did Trump. No one complained when it happened under Obama or Biden, or Clinton, or Bush(es)... Look, I'm just as horrified as anyone else with a modicum of humanity, but blasting the "without a warrant" part in every headline is counterproductive.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 359d
Under Obama people here legally didn't fear being kidnapped. Even people in fear of deportation didn't worry about taken to a foreign concentration camp to die nor did he say that the next job was to get rid of the legal ones who didn't belong here.
Get out of here with your bullshit
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 360d
Emphasis mine. No warrant. No due process. Not an "alien" unless you can fucking prove it.
And you gave away the game with that last part... If you think this is anything like what was happening under Obama or Biden, you're ignorant or lying.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 360d
"gave away the game"? What are you even talking about? The "game" is going on and on about something that's not relevant.
Why aren't the articles saying what you are saying instead of stating irrelevant information? They didn't have warrants either under Obama or Biden.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 360d
So you have some articles from Obama/Biden era about plain clothes, masked, agents who refused to identify themselves, smashing car windows and pulling people out of cars without warrants?
So fucking dishonest.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 360d
This is what sycophancy looks like. ☝️