It doesn’t work if doctors, nurses, and the rest of healthcare get sick too. If their kids are sick, they’re typically home with them. Hospitals don’t make money without staff.
These guys don’t appear to be thinking even one step away from the immediate impact.
Sure, healthcare generally gets vaccinated. The cuckoo birds that made headlines are not the majority.
The measles vaccine is ~97% preventative. We count on herd immunity to cover the remainder.
In addition, this anti-vax wave includes removing subsidizing money from the public. Availability of vaccines will decline. Requirements promote availability and free programs.
I haven’t paid for a single COVID shot or booster, have you?
Yes, but herd immunity only works above a certain level. Vaccinations are not 100% effective and not every doctor or nurse can have all vaccines due to their own health conditions.
I would expect doctors and their kids to be up to date on their vaccines though, probably following the best current advice rather than the requirements.
I know here in Australia, there are vaccines that are not in the required schedule that many doctors recommend for parents.
Yes, but 95-97% effective is sufficient to usually keep one out of trouble. Extincting diseases is best, of course, but prsonally having a high level of immunity is still better that croaking because of a preventable infection.
95-97% effective is just that. It doesn't work for 3-5% of those inmunised. Whether it reduces disease severity, hospitalisation and mortality are different questions with different stats.
I did an essay on vaccines in Jr. High, 20-25 years ago. I was writing a persuasion essay and I chose vaccines. I always try to provide views from both sides... even back then. As a child, in fucking Jr. High, I found Andrew Wakefield's study that linked autism and vaccines, found all the evidence against it, found out he lost his medical license for it, and realized "wow, there really is no argument against vaccines. These people are fucking idiots!" Again at the age of 12 ish... fucking anti-vaxxer dipshits...
Vaccines are good as long as they are proven to work, and as long as they are effective enough to be worth the side effects and risks. Big pharma needs to be held accountable and kept honest, because they would definitely try to sell you vaccines that are not necessary or not effective if they could get away with it. It shouldn't be an all or nothing question.
Go do the research yourself. Vaccines are proven to work. Over, and over, and over again. The side effects are so incredibly rare they might as well be non-existent. Go do some actual fucking research, there is no argument against vaccines. The covid vaccine was in development for 20+ years due to SARS. That's how it was able to be pushed out so quickly. Go look at all the infectious diseases that are on the rise because dipshit mother fuckers aren't getting vaccinated or their kids. Its fucking stupid...
I worked in pharma for ten years. Vaccines work, but some work better than others. There have been many vaccines that were pulled after emergency use approval or because the side effects were not worth the disease that they were trying to prevent. Or like the flu vaccine used to make you mildly sick for a few days, but then you still got the flu because they guessed the wrong strain. You can't just scream that vaccines work to people who have first hand experience with them not working. Otherwise you risk losing their trust in ALL vaccines. This is a big part of why we have a resurgence in the anti vaccine movement. Anyone who has actually researched knows that the topic of vaccines is more complicated than "vaccines good".
But that is exactly why you can trust them... because they get pulled when its not worth it. You're correct in that there's much more nuance than just vaccine=good, but with the totality of the evidence and procedures it can be pretty simply stated with vaccine=good
If they have full fda approval, you can generally trust that they are more beneficial than otherwise. With vaccines that have been available and widely used for decades and even generations, there is basically no risk at all. But I understand hesitation with new vaccines, even if I am not worried about them myself. Most people can't grasp the level of effort and proof it requires to get approval.
They will have lots of fun once they move out of there. If they get old enough in the first place.
The US is already at the tail end of modern countries when it comes to dying children due to the horrible health care. They are doing everything they can to get even worse.
The last time I was visiting my parents in South Carolina we went to a local art faire thing, and one of the stands was a dude selling art of Confederates. Not just any Confederates, Black Confederates. And the dude selling this art, was a older black man in full fucking Confederate uniform. The best part was the massive bread boards he had full of tiny font Confederate apologia that read like a SovCit manifesto.
Don't think the color of a person's skin naturally dictates their opinions on matters that you think it should, people will surprise you every time.
That is genuinely a terrible thing to do as a person of color. Seriously though, people suffered extreme abuse and he is out here saying that getting vaccinated is basically the same.
Even the fucking Nazis and Imperial Japanese understood that vaccines worked.
The Japanese in particular with Unite 731 even developed vaccines for the plague, then tested it by deliberating getting one unvaccinated group infected and another vaccinated group infected. The vaccinated group fared far better than the vaccinated group and had a much higher survivability rating.
It started out as mostly pandering to their uneducated anti-vax base, but with fascists being in all levels of government now there are more conspiracy theorist true believers in office. So the dumber ones actually believe it, while the less dumb ones use it as a wedge issue to keep support (while being vaccinated themselves).
I seriously think they want to reduce the population. And if you use disease and only allow the richest people to have access to vaccines, the poors and "undesirables" go first.
No idiot would make this decision. I don't think hitler was even this dumb. Science is real and works. Vaccines, medicines works. Trump and his friends have hidden agenda. Something is brewing in USA.
A lot of political positions have some weird fucking ideas on health and science, even the "normal" ones (Look up Posadism, right now, drop whatever you are doing and look it up right now, it's ducktits bonkers), but the Right are the ones who are most infamous for them. I mean the basis for OG Nazism involved Supermen with high technology coming to Earth on an Ice Ball (no seriously), but you also have ideas popular on the right like:
Socioeconomic factors for health are overblown or non existent (popular with conservatives and libertarians).
HIV doesn't cause AIDS/HIV-AIDS doesn't exist/Was made in a lab (Founder of GB news and Epistein book alum Andrew Neil believes this).
Immuno-comprimised people deserve to die as to not inconvenience them, personally (popular during Covid).
Vaccines cause Autism.
Gender identity doesn't exist and trans and nonbinary people are sexual perverts who should be killed (if AMAB or Intersex) or "Brought back to woman hood to save their wombs" (if AFAB, yes, sounds like a handmaid's tale).
Intersex people don't exist/don't deserve to live.
Contraception is wrong/doesn't work and should be banned.
Fertilised Human Eggs are instantly Sentient and Sapient.
Menstruation is a disorder (yes, you heard that) caused by toxins.
Faith Healing.
That certain races have superpowers.
That the world is ~6000 years old and the bible is right.
That Mobile Phones or phone masts cause Cancer/Autism/Covid.
That chemical reactions in people's guts cause Autism.
That Autism can be cured.
That Queerness can be cured.
That eating raw meat or dairy products is good for you.
And many more.
Now I am going to also say that alongside insanity, there's a more "rational"/Machiavellian reason for them doing things like getting rid of vaccines and that is the following:
They don't pay anything to help anyone. Generally they believe the state is there to keep the underlings in line, not help them.
They think that actual healthcare should only be accessible to those who can pay for it, especially if it's out of reach for the average person and thus is for the "elite".
If people are sick, they will have to spend large amounts of money, meaning they can extract even more labour from them to enrich themselves. If they can't, well, they die and aren't a "problem" for them.
The reason why Trump and his ilk having these beliefs are the following:
They're sociopaths who love the idea of NeoFeudalism more than a British MP enjoys Cocaine.
We now have a working theory on how autism develops — a genetic predisposition allowing malfunction in cell danger response — and an almost miraculous clinical treatment for it in children that is currently undergoing trials.
We now have a working theory on how autism develops — a genetic predisposition allowing malfunction in cell danger response — and an almost miraculous clinical treatment for it in children that is currently undergoing trials.
Oh my God this is going to be an ethical minefield the likes of which we have never seen, and I say that as someone who has Autism. Like right now people on the Spectrum, as well as people with conditions like ADHD, are looking at the things RJK Jr is saying not just about Autism but Neurodivergency in general and getting very worried. Like he's saying people on adderal should be sent to labour camps and there should be a national register of Autistic people. Man believes people like me are an existential threat to the country. That's Nazi shit. Straight up fucking Eugenics for Neurodiverse people in general. The idea of an "Autism Cure" like this could very well turn into something we really do not want to see and I think we need to understand that.
Like here's the thing: I'm not one of those "Autism is my Superpower" types. It's an annoying, frustrating, horrible disability that fucks with me everyday in ways even I understand. But while it is horrible, and has fucked me six ways from Sunday, I also have to admit that without it, I would be a vastly different person and not in a good way. Without Autism, I would not have had a history degree, I would not have the hobbies, interests and knowledge I have, I wouldn't have had the impact I have had on the world or the ideas I have had. Fuck, would I be writing this comment if I didn't have the 'tism?
I'll also be honest with you, Autism, while being a disability also likely gave us a lot of people who did a lot of things they wouldn't have otherwise done if they weren't on the spectrum. I might be speculating with a lot of these figures, but Newton, Einstein, Turing, Babbage, Cavendish, Lovelace? What would the world be like if they weren't Autistic? I don't think they would've done a lot of what they had done if they were not. I'm not sure computers would exist without Autistic people, nor do I believe a lot of science and art would exist too.
Also, how are we defining Autism. We go back to the days of Hans Aspberger, who invented a condition to say "yeah, they have the 'Tism, but they're useful"?
It's a bit like if you gave a bigot the ability to wipe and entire group from reality and they chose gay people, and then suddenly they notice the phone in their pocket has disappeared and there's no internet.
I agree. I have autism and ADHD, but I’m old, so I’m not sure this treatment would do anything for me, and it certainly wouldn’t erase the life I’ve already lived. But I would still like for younger generations have this as an option. their futures haven’t been written yet, and everyone deserves the opportunity to choose their own path. Autism is a part of who I am, but I am not about to force that on others who have the opportunity and desire to live their own life differently.
No, the CDR is a phenomenon that appears to be a major contributor in numerous detrimental conditions should it become stuck. This includes conditions like insulin resistance and generalized anxiety disorder. We now have evidence that the symptoms that make up “autism” are merely one of the possible results of CDR becoming stuck. Small doses of suramin reset the cellular danger response, allowing them to function normally again. To generalize, it’s as if the body’s cells are stuck in a perpetual panic attack as if they are in danger, even if they are not. This is not a “difference in function” it is a malfunction.
As a dinosaur who also has autism, I don’t think this would do anything for me and I’m not sure I would want to if it could. But nobody is trying to force it on me or you, and depriving others of the ability to choose for themselves is no less monstrous. Acceptance of neurodiversity and treatment of treatable conditions are not mutually exclusive endeavors. So please do better and make your own decisions for yourself while staying out of other peoples lives as they make their own decisions for themselves.
Aerobic exercise elevates your heartbeat while you're doing it but slows it even more when you're not doing it. So your fixed quota of heartbeats lasts longer (assuming there is a more or less fixed quota, which seems well-supported by evidence).
It kinda does... Not like, literally, but generally? In a statistical, mean time to failure kind of way? It's surprisingly accurate
These people, like always, just take a nugget of truth and use it to come to wild conclusions. Because there's a second, very important factor in this equation - exercise reduces your heart rate
Among mammals, there is an inverse semilogarithmic relation between heart rate and life expectancy. The product of these variables, namely, the number of heart beats/lifetime, should provide a mathematical expression that defines for each species a predetermined number of heart beats in a lifetime. Plots of the calculated number of heart beats/lifetime among mammals against life expectancy and body weight (allometric scale of 0.5 x 10(6)) are, within an order of magnitude, remarkably constant and average 7.3 +/- 5.6 x 10(8) heart beats/lifetime. A study of universal biologic scaling and mortality suggests that the basal energy consumption/body atom per heart beat is the same in all animals (approximately 10(-8) O2 molecules/heart beat). These data yield a mean value of 10 x 10(8) heart beats/lifetime and suggest that life span is predetermined by basic energetics of living cells and that the apparent inverse relation between life span and heart rate reflects an epiphenomenon in which heart rate is a marker of metabolic rate. Thus, the question of whether human life can be extended by cardiac slowing remains moot and most likely will only be resolved by retrospective analyses of large populations, future animal studies and clinical trials using bradycardic therapy.
It's part of Project 2025. They need to cull social security recipients. Half of people in Florida are over 42, oldest state in the US. Kids are great at spreading viruses. It's just a version of smallpox blankets used to kill off natives.
Up in Minnesota the only hope I have is that the kids don’t create a national/international crisis when they travel and spread various diseases. We are all in this together.
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teslasdisciple@lemmy.ca · 121 pts · 349d
Florida 2026:
kowcop@aussie.zone · 78 pts · 349d
Seems logical for a country that has a healthcare system that profits off people being sick.. get infectious disease, end up in hospital, go broke
Zephorah@discuss.online · 32 pts · 349d
It doesn’t work if doctors, nurses, and the rest of healthcare get sick too. If their kids are sick, they’re typically home with them. Hospitals don’t make money without staff.
These guys don’t appear to be thinking even one step away from the immediate impact.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 349d
One can hope that at least some doctors and nurses in Florida still remember the advantages of being alive and healthy due to vaccinations.
Zephorah@discuss.online · 10 pts · 349d
Sure, healthcare generally gets vaccinated. The cuckoo birds that made headlines are not the majority.
The measles vaccine is ~97% preventative. We count on herd immunity to cover the remainder.
In addition, this anti-vax wave includes removing subsidizing money from the public. Availability of vaccines will decline. Requirements promote availability and free programs.
I haven’t paid for a single COVID shot or booster, have you?
13igTyme@piefed.social · 4 pts · 348d
As someone that used to work in a Florida hospital, a disturbing number of people don't believe in vaccine use.
fodor@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 349d
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 349d
Yes, but herd immunity only works above a certain level. Vaccinations are not 100% effective and not every doctor or nurse can have all vaccines due to their own health conditions.
I would expect doctors and their kids to be up to date on their vaccines though, probably following the best current advice rather than the requirements.
I know here in Australia, there are vaccines that are not in the required schedule that many doctors recommend for parents.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 348d
Yes, but 95-97% effective is sufficient to usually keep one out of trouble. Extincting diseases is best, of course, but prsonally having a high level of immunity is still better that croaking because of a preventable infection.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 348d
95-97% effective is just that. It doesn't work for 3-5% of those inmunised. Whether it reduces disease severity, hospitalisation and mortality are different questions with different stats.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 348d
Yea, but 3-5% sick is still better than close to 100% sick.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 348d
Of course. But vaccination isn't magic either. Even if it seems so.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 348d
They still get to charge you for the room you're taking up while not being treated.
PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 349d
Fucking going backwards. Way to go, USA.....wtf.
blitzen@lemmy.ca · 48 pts · 349d
The way you think of the US, the US thinks of Florida.
underline960@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 349d
And the way the US thinks of Florida, Florida thinks of... uh...
Ghyste@sh.itjust.works · 38 pts · 349d
Florida doesn't do much thinking.
kata1yst@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 349d
Usually Mississippi. But under Desantis...
Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 349d
Them Missisissys gonna beat us to all that sweet healthcare savins!
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 349d
Build the wall! Around Florida!
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 349d
huppakee@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 349d
Soon nobody will care about the Panama canal lol
CraigimusPR1M3@lemmy.ml · 37 pts · 348d
I did an essay on vaccines in Jr. High, 20-25 years ago. I was writing a persuasion essay and I chose vaccines. I always try to provide views from both sides... even back then. As a child, in fucking Jr. High, I found Andrew Wakefield's study that linked autism and vaccines, found all the evidence against it, found out he lost his medical license for it, and realized "wow, there really is no argument against vaccines. These people are fucking idiots!" Again at the age of 12 ish... fucking anti-vaxxer dipshits...
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 346d
Vaccines are good as long as they are proven to work, and as long as they are effective enough to be worth the side effects and risks. Big pharma needs to be held accountable and kept honest, because they would definitely try to sell you vaccines that are not necessary or not effective if they could get away with it. It shouldn't be an all or nothing question.
CraigimusPR1M3@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 345d
Go do the research yourself. Vaccines are proven to work. Over, and over, and over again. The side effects are so incredibly rare they might as well be non-existent. Go do some actual fucking research, there is no argument against vaccines. The covid vaccine was in development for 20+ years due to SARS. That's how it was able to be pushed out so quickly. Go look at all the infectious diseases that are on the rise because dipshit mother fuckers aren't getting vaccinated or their kids. Its fucking stupid...
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 345d
I worked in pharma for ten years. Vaccines work, but some work better than others. There have been many vaccines that were pulled after emergency use approval or because the side effects were not worth the disease that they were trying to prevent. Or like the flu vaccine used to make you mildly sick for a few days, but then you still got the flu because they guessed the wrong strain. You can't just scream that vaccines work to people who have first hand experience with them not working. Otherwise you risk losing their trust in ALL vaccines. This is a big part of why we have a resurgence in the anti vaccine movement. Anyone who has actually researched knows that the topic of vaccines is more complicated than "vaccines good".
CraigimusPR1M3@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 345d
But that is exactly why you can trust them... because they get pulled when its not worth it. You're correct in that there's much more nuance than just vaccine=good, but with the totality of the evidence and procedures it can be pretty simply stated with vaccine=good
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 345d
If they have full fda approval, you can generally trust that they are more beneficial than otherwise. With vaccines that have been available and widely used for decades and even generations, there is basically no risk at all. But I understand hesitation with new vaccines, even if I am not worried about them myself. Most people can't grasp the level of effort and proof it requires to get approval.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 348d
This is going end tragically for an unthinkable number of children and immunocompromised adults.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 348d
Yup.
The Republican party are enemies of the people of the United States of America.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 348d
that's the point.
nonentity@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 349d
Florida is truly the Florida of Florida.
suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 349d
Looks like I'm never going to Florida again
TheLastOfHisName@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 349d
Enjoy your polio, antivaxers.
And don't forget to buy stock in iron lung manufacturers. Gonna be a BIG spike in demand.
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 349d
What a shithole country.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 348d
Wow. Health crisis incoming.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 347d
More sabotage.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 349d
They will have lots of fun once they move out of there. If they get old enough in the first place.
The US is already at the tail end of modern countries when it comes to dying children due to the horrible health care. They are doing everything they can to get even worse.
Etterra@discuss.online · 19 pts · 348d
Sounds like Florida is pulling ahead of Texas in their race to the bottom.
notsosure@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 349d
Good luck, good night.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 349d
US Balkanization when?
Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 349d
Have fun watching your kids die. God bless America and all that jazz...
badbytes@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 349d
Need to build a border, for the safety of the other states.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 348d
Honestly states should halt flights from Florida
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 16 pts · 349d
I hope that the sea suddenly engulfs and submerges the whole of Florida.
MuskyMelon@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 348d
It's okay. A surge of viral and bacterial diseases will turn FL into toxic soup.
Imhotep@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 348d
This black guy compared mandatory vaccines to slavery
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 7 pts · 348d
He and Kanye probably have a lot in common
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 348d
They should run the KKK
brognak@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 348d
The last time I was visiting my parents in South Carolina we went to a local art faire thing, and one of the stands was a dude selling art of Confederates. Not just any Confederates, Black Confederates. And the dude selling this art, was a older black man in full fucking Confederate uniform. The best part was the massive bread boards he had full of tiny font Confederate apologia that read like a SovCit manifesto.
Don't think the color of a person's skin naturally dictates their opinions on matters that you think it should, people will surprise you every time.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 348d
That is genuinely a terrible thing to do as a person of color. Seriously though, people suffered extreme abuse and he is out here saying that getting vaccinated is basically the same.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 348d
Even fascists in other countries aren't this stupid. What do they even want to gain in spreading diseases?
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 348d
There is a ton of fear about vaccines in some areas. I have a feeling some parents are about to learn some lessons in a really terrible way.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 348d
See Amish. They won't learn any lessons and just spin death as natural and God's will.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 348d
They're not even smart fascists they're like crazy, ignorant, stupid fascists
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 4 pts · 348d
Even the fucking Nazis and Imperial Japanese understood that vaccines worked.
The Japanese in particular with Unite 731 even developed vaccines for the plague, then tested it by deliberating getting one unvaccinated group infected and another vaccinated group infected. The vaccinated group fared far better than the vaccinated group and had a much higher survivability rating.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 348d
It started out as mostly pandering to their uneducated anti-vax base, but with fascists being in all levels of government now there are more conspiracy theorist true believers in office. So the dumber ones actually believe it, while the less dumb ones use it as a wedge issue to keep support (while being vaccinated themselves).
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 348d
The ideal model of the Fascist economy is get poors to pay taxes and then die when they can't work any more.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 348d
I seriously think they want to reduce the population. And if you use disease and only allow the richest people to have access to vaccines, the poors and "undesirables" go first.
I truly think that it's that sinister.
huppakee@feddit.nl · 13 pts · 349d
Well at least the leopards will have enough faces to eat ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 349d
It's just a shame that leopards don't respect borders.
Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 349d
Let me warm up my throat.......🎶🎙️ WE ARE ALLLLLL FUCKED !
BenM2023@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 349d
Ah that ditty with similar lyrics, by Infected Mushroom, is now running through my head...
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 349d
West coast vaccine cooperative FTW
toppy@lemy.lol · 13 pts · 348d
No idiot would make this decision. I don't think hitler was even this dumb. Science is real and works. Vaccines, medicines works. Trump and his friends have hidden agenda. Something is brewing in USA.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 348d
Donald Trump isn't a smart man and he has some very concerning beliefs. I mean we know for a fact that Trump slept/sleeps with a copy of Hitler's Speeches in his bedside drawer. He admitted that himself. He also has some very strange views on exercise, claiming the human body is like a battery and too much exercise can kill you. He tweeted that he believes vaccines cause Autism.
A lot of political positions have some weird fucking ideas on health and science, even the "normal" ones (Look up Posadism, right now, drop whatever you are doing and look it up right now, it's ducktits bonkers), but the Right are the ones who are most infamous for them. I mean the basis for OG Nazism involved Supermen with high technology coming to Earth on an Ice Ball (no seriously), but you also have ideas popular on the right like:
And many more.
Now I am going to also say that alongside insanity, there's a more "rational"/Machiavellian reason for them doing things like getting rid of vaccines and that is the following:
The reason why Trump and his ilk having these beliefs are the following:
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 348d
We now have a working theory on how autism develops — a genetic predisposition allowing malfunction in cell danger response — and an almost miraculous clinical treatment for it in children that is currently undergoing trials.
https://www.autismparentingmagazine.com/autism-suramin-evolution/
Unsurprisingly the cause and treatment are completely unrelated to the Right’s insane and dangerous conspiracy theories.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 348d
Oh my God this is going to be an ethical minefield the likes of which we have never seen, and I say that as someone who has Autism. Like right now people on the Spectrum, as well as people with conditions like ADHD, are looking at the things RJK Jr is saying not just about Autism but Neurodivergency in general and getting very worried. Like he's saying people on adderal should be sent to labour camps and there should be a national register of Autistic people. Man believes people like me are an existential threat to the country. That's Nazi shit. Straight up fucking Eugenics for Neurodiverse people in general. The idea of an "Autism Cure" like this could very well turn into something we really do not want to see and I think we need to understand that.
Like here's the thing: I'm not one of those "Autism is my Superpower" types. It's an annoying, frustrating, horrible disability that fucks with me everyday in ways even I understand. But while it is horrible, and has fucked me six ways from Sunday, I also have to admit that without it, I would be a vastly different person and not in a good way. Without Autism, I would not have had a history degree, I would not have the hobbies, interests and knowledge I have, I wouldn't have had the impact I have had on the world or the ideas I have had. Fuck, would I be writing this comment if I didn't have the 'tism?
I'll also be honest with you, Autism, while being a disability also likely gave us a lot of people who did a lot of things they wouldn't have otherwise done if they weren't on the spectrum. I might be speculating with a lot of these figures, but Newton, Einstein, Turing, Babbage, Cavendish, Lovelace? What would the world be like if they weren't Autistic? I don't think they would've done a lot of what they had done if they were not. I'm not sure computers would exist without Autistic people, nor do I believe a lot of science and art would exist too.
Also, how are we defining Autism. We go back to the days of Hans Aspberger, who invented a condition to say "yeah, they have the 'Tism, but they're useful"?
It's a bit like if you gave a bigot the ability to wipe and entire group from reality and they chose gay people, and then suddenly they notice the phone in their pocket has disappeared and there's no internet.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 348d
I agree. I have autism and ADHD, but I’m old, so I’m not sure this treatment would do anything for me, and it certainly wouldn’t erase the life I’ve already lived. But I would still like for younger generations have this as an option. their futures haven’t been written yet, and everyone deserves the opportunity to choose their own path. Autism is a part of who I am, but I am not about to force that on others who have the opportunity and desire to live their own life differently.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -2 pts · 348d
Ehhh... Maybe it just functions differently. Not really big on the negative connotation there.
The world would be a much more boring place without our autistic friend. They don't need a fucking "cure."
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 348d
Tell that to the people who aren't able to function on their own or lead a normal life
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 348d
No, the CDR is a phenomenon that appears to be a major contributor in numerous detrimental conditions should it become stuck. This includes conditions like insulin resistance and generalized anxiety disorder. We now have evidence that the symptoms that make up “autism” are merely one of the possible results of CDR becoming stuck. Small doses of suramin reset the cellular danger response, allowing them to function normally again. To generalize, it’s as if the body’s cells are stuck in a perpetual panic attack as if they are in danger, even if they are not. This is not a “difference in function” it is a malfunction.
As a dinosaur who also has autism, I don’t think this would do anything for me and I’m not sure I would want to if it could. But nobody is trying to force it on me or you, and depriving others of the ability to choose for themselves is no less monstrous. Acceptance of neurodiversity and treatment of treatable conditions are not mutually exclusive endeavors. So please do better and make your own decisions for yourself while staying out of other peoples lives as they make their own decisions for themselves.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 348d
A LOT of people believe the body has a set total of heartbeats.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 348d
That sounds like...something an obscure ancient Greek philosopher would claim, leading Diogenes to start chasing him around the room counting down.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 347d
Aerobic exercise elevates your heartbeat while you're doing it but slows it even more when you're not doing it. So your fixed quota of heartbeats lasts longer (assuming there is a more or less fixed quota, which seems well-supported by evidence).
theneverfox@pawb.social · 1 pts · 348d
It kinda does... Not like, literally, but generally? In a statistical, mean time to failure kind of way? It's surprisingly accurate
These people, like always, just take a nugget of truth and use it to come to wild conclusions. Because there's a second, very important factor in this equation - exercise reduces your heart rate
Here's the study
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 348d
It's part of Project 2025. They need to cull social security recipients. Half of people in Florida are over 42, oldest state in the US. Kids are great at spreading viruses. It's just a version of smallpox blankets used to kill off natives.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 348d
People are dumb in groups
Group membership and beliefs carry way more weigh than anything else.
woelkchen@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 349d
Too many floridamen anyway
Pofski@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 348d
There is no "could"
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 348d
What do you expect? The media bowed down to Trump. I didn't think fear of lawsuit would lead to this but here we are.
Zomg@piefed.world · 10 pts · 348d
Hearing "who am I to say what you can do with your body" while also making abortion illegal is so infuriating. Like, listen to yourself talk...
happydoors@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 348d
Up in Minnesota the only hope I have is that the kids don’t create a national/international crisis when they travel and spread various diseases. We are all in this together.
Etterra@discuss.online · 2 pts · 348d
Well on the plus side it's not like they'll ever be able to afford to travel internationally.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 8 pts · 348d
Because being first is better than being intelligent. Or alive.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 348d
These deaths are going to be a lot harder to hide.
Make Iron Lungs Great Again
urandom@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 348d
MILGA? it doesn't have the same ring to it, but with some work ...
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 348d
I mean if they chose to stay within their borders and die, I'd be perfectly fine with that and would actually support it.
But they're going to cross borders and infect us. That's basically a hostile act.
Son_of_Macha@lemmy.cafe · 7 pts · 348d
Seems like a fast way to completely kill your tourism industry.
Nerrad@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 349d
Unsure if I should Up or Down vote this.
dan1101@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 348d
My take is upvote for visibility.
biofaust@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 347d
What would it take for Canada and EU to close their borders?
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 347d
A state full of plague rats. Sounds like a travel advisory from every government in the world that's not as fucked up as the US's.
x00z@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 347d
USA devolving in real time
6stringringer@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 348d
There will be a loooong break at the holiday season.
brianary@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 348d
What's with this "first" narrative? Is CNBC trying to encourage more?
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 348d
Certainly sounds like it
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 348d
Encourage, no. Just preparing for the inevitable.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 348d
Well to quote a famous Iowan:
Let them die...
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 348d
DeSantis looks so unhappy
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 348d
Well yeah, he's next to a person of color. Any racist would be livid if they had to share the same air with someone that is isn't white.
senchawizard@piefed.world · 4 pts · 348d
florida man does a florida man move as governor
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 348d
Step one. Step two is make vaccines illegal, Step 3 is send MDs to prison for administration.
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 348d
Measles likes this.
Pulsar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 348d
This is natural selection in action
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 347d
Too bad it's going to kill innocent people and not just MAGAdiots.
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 349d
I can’t wait to die of some old disease.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 348d
Who needs vaccines when you live in a swamp.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 348d
Florida is terrible for disease climate wise
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 348d
Great, I'm also for mass sterilisations, even less americans.