It's still crazy to me that nothing came from the Mueller report. Trump's campaign was being driven by the Russians because him being president would harm America.
And his supporters didn't see anything wrong with that.
I'm sure a great majority are more morally inept than twisted and unethical. One wishes only that our politicians did not for so long refuse the evidence of their senses with regard to Russia. Even Obama and Clinton thought the Kremlin would come around to their way of doing things in time.
they are complicit, they know full well russia was funding them, remember an article on reddit early this year was found out to primarly fund people like poole, loomer,shapiro, they immediately when media silence after that.
A whole bunch were uncovered to have been paid by Putin's Russia to spout these pro Russian talking points (hello Tim pool, feeling nervous yet?) and when uncovered they all acted like the innocent child who just got caught with their hands in the cookie jar
It's so funny to see that the exact same extremist US Americans that would kill you for just using the word "Russia" twenty years ago are the same ones that can't wait to suck Putin's dick. These people are so dumb that they don't even know they're dumb
i remember that poole was one of them, i think chaiya rachik(libsoftiktok) too, she was pretty obvious, jack proesbic, shapiro,and the others went pretty silent for a few weeks, until they could reorient themselves.
Funny how many posts I see of this guy being an utter cesspool but when I go on conservative media, I see literally ZERO examples of him saying anything they feel is worth praising. It’s almost as if everything out of his mouth was vitriolic garbage and they know it.
It was less of a murder and more of a lesson on the 2nd Amendment in my opinion. But basically yes, if by "asshole" you mean being a hateful fucking nazi.
That may be the case but whatever theocratic white-supremacist trump-supporter he was, I think advocating for the murder of a person because he advocated for the murder of a person (or at least implied that) doesn't make one any better than him, if that makes sense.
People are talking about him having spread hatred (which he did) and are at the very same time spreading hatred about him. Quite ironic in a way...
"I do not imply that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion". - Karl Popper, clarifying that statement you cited
One shouldn't kill a communist that is simply voicing their opinion, one should however kill a second Stalin.
These MAGA scum are a direct threat to the US constitution. They are so weak willed that they follow people like this and actually enjoy being manipulated by them. The person that killed the asshole wasn't even one of "us", he was another MAGA that was mad because he thought this asshole wasn't being a big enough threat to the Constitution.
MAGA is so hateful and crazy that they are killing themselves.
MAGA is a death cult in every meaning of the term, so much so that my perception of the vast diversity of different meanings of "death cult" keeps expanding quite against my desire to explore further expressions of it.
The issue is that if you think it's justified to kill people on the basis of views that you (radically) disagree with, then that same justification could be used by them to justify killing you, right?
(Also, I think calling him a nazi doesn't do the victims of actual nazis justice, the latter of whom certainly did more than verbally expressing a radical ideology; but this just on the side)
Dude was overtly racist, called for violence against ethnic groups, supported a literal genocide, among other things. He was doing the same shit the Nazis did in the beginning.
Likewise, but unfortunately I'm pretty sure based on the video that the sudden overpressure, then pressure loss, of blood, caused him to immediately black out and probably have no conscious experience after blaming gun violence on trans people and gangs.
as someone who has experienced sudden loss of blood pressure to the brain, you go grey then black very quickly. i was pumping my thighs to keep going (because i knew what was happening) and got an extra ten seconds of grey, don't remember anything after that. so... maybe he did?
sure, and FDR was responsible for millions of deaths too by entering ww2. If only he had rolled over for the Japanese and Nazis the world would have been a better place amirighf? /s
*Also, he doesn't know the difference between dead and casualty. Casualty is anyone dead or injured such that they can't fight. Militaries report casualties because they want numbers of those that can/can't fight.
This was on the aftermath of Zelenski visiting the US and they started arguing in front of the cameras. JD Vance accused Zelenski of not being grateful and of "haven't saying thanks once". Rubio couldn't sink deeper into the couch and background.
Given that Kirk got got by an even farther to the right Groyper, you have to start questioning the Two Sides narrative.
Almost as though politics is a spectrum - a fabric, even - and one's relative distance to one's peers can have little to do with one's desire to ventilate your peer's breathing tubes.
Yeah I was just reacting to hearing someone say that recently. That "both sides" are doing it. When is predominately 1 side doing it. I'm not sure I even know of someone on the "left" that says things like he was saying. I could be wrong and willing to admit it if someone could produce said person. Either way it's coming mostly from the "right".
And thanks for the good analogy of it being a spectrum or fabric.
I’m not sure I even know of someone on the “left” that says things like he was saying.
Sort of the heart of the respective ideologies. Leftists are inclined towards egalitarianism and comradre, with the view that a handful of selfish people are hording wealth to the immiseration of all. Reactionaries are inclined towards eugenics and the theory that a favored few deserve it all, with the view that "culling the herd" of undesirables is important and necessary work for a society to perform.
You'd like to think that a leftist would have been the one to end Kirk's career abruptly. But the idea of a militant left is so tied up with the idea of Evil Foreigner "Tankies" (and to a lesser degree, the clumsy disastrous youth movements of the 90s/00s) that its totally alien to anyone in any active organizing roll.
Meanwhile, armed reactionaries looking for someone to assassinate are a dime a dozen.
He was the kind of delusional shit-fucker who thought there's a heaven and that he was going there. If he happens to be right about the former then he's definitely wrong about the latter.
He was an attack dog, like almost all right wing internet pundits. This is what he was paid by the billionaires to do. If his taskmasters told him the new orders were to attack Zelenskyy, then by god that was what he did. I seriously doubt he ever had an original thought. Well, his racism was extra extra, I think that part he did for free.
1 thing connecting all these pundits, funded by an oligarch of russia to spread message of culture wars. the GOP and by extension the old guard DNc depends on culture wars to remain relevant.
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Supervisor194@lemmy.world · 139 pts · 343d
How many of these fuckers are wholly owned subsidiaries of Russia?
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 343d
Wholly I don't know, but many to the extent necessary to fuck us up
mgnome@piefed.social · 30 pts · 343d
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 343d
It's still crazy to me that nothing came from the Mueller report. Trump's campaign was being driven by the Russians because him being president would harm America.
And his supporters didn't see anything wrong with that.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 343d
Still, waiting for the unredacted version . . .
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 343d
I'm sure a great majority are more morally inept than twisted and unethical. One wishes only that our politicians did not for so long refuse the evidence of their senses with regard to Russia. Even Obama and Clinton thought the Kremlin would come around to their way of doing things in time.
mgnome@piefed.social · 10 pts · 343d
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 343d
It really just makes me want to slap six people at random.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 343d
they are complicit, they know full well russia was funding them, remember an article on reddit early this year was found out to primarly fund people like poole, loomer,shapiro, they immediately when media silence after that.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 343d
A whole bunch were uncovered to have been paid by Putin's Russia to spout these pro Russian talking points (hello Tim pool, feeling nervous yet?) and when uncovered they all acted like the innocent child who just got caught with their hands in the cookie jar
It's so funny to see that the exact same extremist US Americans that would kill you for just using the word "Russia" twenty years ago are the same ones that can't wait to suck Putin's dick. These people are so dumb that they don't even know they're dumb
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 343d
i remember that poole was one of them, i think chaiya rachik(libsoftiktok) too, she was pretty obvious, jack proesbic, shapiro,and the others went pretty silent for a few weeks, until they could reorient themselves.
K3zi4@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 343d
Well, one less now.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 343d
pilferjinx@piefed.social · 1 pts · 342d
Russia is extremely good at info manipulation. They have the full support of the auth-right and the auth-left. It's bizarre.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 107 pts · 343d
Lol.
Zelensky is alive.
Charlie Kuck is dead.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 64 pts · 343d
There have been dozens upon dozens of plots to assassinate Zelensky. There has only been one against Charlie Kirk.
Lucky_777@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 343d
One and done baby.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 343d
Is it a plot if it was a lone gunman?
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 24 pts · 343d
Yes. You're thinking of conspiracy which requires more than one participant.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 343d
yeah plotting just needs graphs and protractors and shit
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 8 pts · 343d
Technically correct. The best kind of correct.
ulterno@programming.dev · 1 pts · 343d
Alternatively you could use CAD
and the medium is stringent, a plotter... oh no
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 343d
From Oxford, hence my question
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 343d
TIL.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 343d
Yes?
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 343d
It's a semantics question, nothing political. Since plot is defined by Oxford as
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 343d
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plot
So it doesn’t have to be by a group.
I think you are thinking of “conspiracy” which requires two or more people.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
chuckles the cuckles?
Empricorn@feddit.nl · 102 pts · 343d
Wow, the hatred for a man simply defending his country from a violent invasion. These people are either complicit, or mind-bendingly stupid...
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 343d
Not necessarily, they might be complicit and mind-bendingly stupid.
tatterdemalion@programming.dev · 2 pts · 343d
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 343d
Why not both?
shplane@lemmy.world · 91 pts · 343d
Funny how many posts I see of this guy being an utter cesspool but when I go on conservative media, I see literally ZERO examples of him saying anything they feel is worth praising. It’s almost as if everything out of his mouth was vitriolic garbage and they know it.
vga@sopuli.xyz · 17 pts · 343d
Almost as if one side posts only good things and the other only bad things
Soup@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 343d
And, going by the comment you replied to, even the conservatives know that there aren’t any good things to post.
NewNewAccount@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 343d
They think even this post is a good post.
vga@sopuli.xyz · -1 pts · 343d
This was kinda fine and imho contains a somewhat benevolent interpretation of christianity and conservatism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJmcqjP8mhk
But yeah, there aren't many of these.
kautau@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 343d
The voters one on side operate purely on feelings and tribalism alone, not logic or reason
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 85 pts · 343d
One of those guys is a living legend.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 64 pts · 343d
And one of them is a dead fascist!
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 16 pts · 343d
The best kind.
pyre@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 343d
recently upgraded to one of the good ones
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 60 pts · 343d
Someone should shoot this assho ... oh, my bad.
AeonFelis@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
No. He does not deserve to be mourned but that does not mean he deserved to be murdered.
Hector@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 342d
Hey man, no need for such a full throated criticism of the departed...
HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de · -29 pts · 343d
Being an asshole is enough to deserve being murdered now?
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 343d
It was less of a murder and more of a lesson on the 2nd Amendment in my opinion. But basically yes, if by "asshole" you mean being a hateful fucking nazi.
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 342d
HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 341d
That may be the case but whatever theocratic white-supremacist trump-supporter he was, I think advocating for the murder of a person because he advocated for the murder of a person (or at least implied that) doesn't make one any better than him, if that makes sense.
People are talking about him having spread hatred (which he did) and are at the very same time spreading hatred about him. Quite ironic in a way...
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 340d
HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 340d
"I do not imply that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion". - Karl Popper, clarifying that statement you cited
One shouldn't kill a communist that is simply voicing their opinion, one should however kill a second Stalin.
jaupsinluggies@feddit.uk · -16 pts · 343d
Welcome to Soviet America where you can get eliminated for simply having wrong beliefs.
Lazylazycat@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 343d
I mean, it's more about letting anyone have a gun. Your shooters are always mentally unwell, or actual children.
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 342d
You should argue gun control with Kirk, the sign said to prove him wrong.
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 342d
These MAGA scum are a direct threat to the US constitution. They are so weak willed that they follow people like this and actually enjoy being manipulated by them. The person that killed the asshole wasn't even one of "us", he was another MAGA that was mad because he thought this asshole wasn't being a big enough threat to the Constitution.
MAGA is so hateful and crazy that they are killing themselves.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 342d
MAGA is a death cult in every meaning of the term, so much so that my perception of the vast diversity of different meanings of "death cult" keeps expanding quite against my desire to explore further expressions of it.
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 342d
I see nothing wrong with shooting racist nazi fucks like that.
HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 341d
The issue is that if you think it's justified to kill people on the basis of views that you (radically) disagree with, then that same justification could be used by them to justify killing you, right?
(Also, I think calling him a nazi doesn't do the victims of actual nazis justice, the latter of whom certainly did more than verbally expressing a radical ideology; but this just on the side)
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 341d
Dude was overtly racist, called for violence against ethnic groups, supported a literal genocide, among other things. He was doing the same shit the Nazis did in the beginning.
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 59 pts · 343d
Posting screenshots of his tweets is disrespectful to his memory.
/s
ChanchoManco@lemmy.zip · -36 pts · 343d
You can ditch the /s, this is unironically true.
Edit:
https://lemmy.zip/comment/21519822
vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de · 25 pts · 343d
not really. That is what he spent his life working on.
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 343d
What do you mean?
ChanchoManco@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 342d
I meant it like Kirk himself disrespected his memory by posting those tweets.
I now realize that the /s was needed!
treesquid@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 342d
Quoting a person's actual words they intentionally published to the whole world is disrespectful?
Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca · 44 pts · 343d
I hope Kirk knew that he was dying.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 42 pts · 343d
Likewise, but unfortunately I'm pretty sure based on the video that the sudden overpressure, then pressure loss, of blood, caused him to immediately black out and probably have no conscious experience after blaming gun violence on trans people and gangs.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 343d
as someone who has experienced sudden loss of blood pressure to the brain, you go grey then black very quickly. i was pumping my thighs to keep going (because i knew what was happening) and got an extra ten seconds of grey, don't remember anything after that. so... maybe he did?
beejboytyson@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 342d
Everytime I read that last part I can help revel in the irony.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 342d
Except that I would greatly prefer that he were acutely aware of what happened, why, and who was responsible. If only he had lived until Saturday-ish
treesquid@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 343d
He knew, but not for long. I'm just sad her never knew it was a right-winger that did it
Natanael@infosec.pub · 10 pts · 343d
He should've lived longer. By a few hours.
Nastybutler@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 343d
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 343d
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 34 pts · 343d
I've got nothing to say about the other guy, I'm just going to celebrate that Zelenskyy and Ukraine are still going strong!
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 343d
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
jcs@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
Героям слава!
dreugeworst@lemmy.ml · 26 pts · 343d
sure, and FDR was responsible for millions of deaths too by entering ww2. If only he had rolled over for the Japanese and Nazis the world would have been a better place amirighf? /s
danc4498@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 343d
In all fairness, that is the Christian way.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 343d
Holy fuck.
*Also, he doesn't know the difference between dead and casualty. Casualty is anyone dead or injured such that they can't fight. Militaries report casualties because they want numbers of those that can/can't fight.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 343d
This was on the aftermath of Zelenski visiting the US and they started arguing in front of the cameras. JD Vance accused Zelenski of not being grateful and of "haven't saying thanks once". Rubio couldn't sink deeper into the couch and background.
Linktank@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 342d
Nobody mentions this, but he says thank you like RIGHT AWAY, well before couch fucker asks that question.
absentbird@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 342d
The only one who could sink deeper is Vance
vga@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 341d
Yeah, this is clearly parroting some party line. Doesn't make it great though.
derry@midwest.social · 16 pts · 343d
But both sides, amiright?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 343d
Given that Kirk got got by an even farther to the right Groyper, you have to start questioning the Two Sides narrative.
Almost as though politics is a spectrum - a fabric, even - and one's relative distance to one's peers can have little to do with one's desire to ventilate your peer's breathing tubes.
derry@midwest.social · 2 pts · 343d
Yeah I was just reacting to hearing someone say that recently. That "both sides" are doing it. When is predominately 1 side doing it. I'm not sure I even know of someone on the "left" that says things like he was saying. I could be wrong and willing to admit it if someone could produce said person. Either way it's coming mostly from the "right". And thanks for the good analogy of it being a spectrum or fabric.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
Sort of the heart of the respective ideologies. Leftists are inclined towards egalitarianism and comradre, with the view that a handful of selfish people are hording wealth to the immiseration of all. Reactionaries are inclined towards eugenics and the theory that a favored few deserve it all, with the view that "culling the herd" of undesirables is important and necessary work for a society to perform.
You'd like to think that a leftist would have been the one to end Kirk's career abruptly. But the idea of a militant left is so tied up with the idea of Evil Foreigner "Tankies" (and to a lesser degree, the clumsy disastrous youth movements of the 90s/00s) that its totally alien to anyone in any active organizing roll.
Meanwhile, armed reactionaries looking for someone to assassinate are a dime a dozen.
Etterra@discuss.online · 15 pts · 343d
He was the kind of delusional shit-fucker who thought there's a heaven and that he was going there. If he happens to be right about the former then he's definitely wrong about the latter.
Caesium@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 343d
and here's my mom thinking we're borderline celebrating his death because he's Christian
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 8 pts · 343d
You could try sending her these things
Maybe with a "oh, is this what Christians believe?"
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 343d
I agree! It's perfect! She needs to hear sas!
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 342d
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 343d
⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️
Lucky_777@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 343d
CAVOK@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 342d
I'm starting to suspect that this Kirk fella wasn't a nice guy.
resin85@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 342d
What! How dare you ... straight to the reeducation camps with you
nozone@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 343d
He was an attack dog, like almost all right wing internet pundits. This is what he was paid by the billionaires to do. If his taskmasters told him the new orders were to attack Zelenskyy, then by god that was what he did. I seriously doubt he ever had an original thought. Well, his racism was extra extra, I think that part he did for free.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 343d
1 thing connecting all these pundits, funded by an oligarch of russia to spread message of culture wars. the GOP and by extension the old guard DNc depends on culture wars to remain relevant.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 343d
Allemaniac@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 343d
¯\(ツ)/¯ womp womp womp
RelativeArea1@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 343d
lived like a tool then died like a tool
kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 343d
Lol rest in piss, moron
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 343d
Shame on any Ukrainian who supported the sack of shit.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 343d
Taleya@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 342d
Every time i see that i just think "hahahah someone didn't get the unwarranted reacharound they were expecting"
Complete fucking narc meltdown
kokesh@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 343d
Thoughts and prayers 😂
dellish@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 342d
Yeah? And you're dead. Checkmate fascist!
ceenote@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 343d
I don't want anyone to die, but holy shit he was fucking repulsive.
Well, maybe Putin...
tortina_original@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
It is/was always a projection with these cunts.