The vast, vast majority of people are forgotten within 100 years. Pretty much need to be in an extremely high position where records are kept, like presidents, or do something extraordinarily positive or negative.
I strongly doubt anyone reading this post will be remembered after the people they met or interacted with directly have died.
Yeah, weird random chance makes a huge difference. Otzi was probably well known, but only hyper-regionally. Lucy was basically just an unusually smart animal, and that was millions of years ago.
And just because you're forgotten for a bit doesn't mean you won't come back into style.
Hmm. So if you want 15 minutes of fame a long time from now, what's some weird easter egg you can leave?
Archeologists actually dig up a lot of sex toys, believe it or not. That won't get you noticed.
A time capsule with something that nobody else will think to preserve might do it. Way too many preserve things the future is actually meh about. I wonder if a weird data footprint might be even better at this point. Like, if you filled out some official form thousands of times just for fun, and someone a long time from now is doing analysis and turns it into a meme.
I actually have a geneology book （族谱） from my paternal lineage (everybody does this in China). Its just a bunch of names, and some history of the village summarized. I hate tradition and I'm already in the US right now, I dont give a shit about the stupid geneology book anymore, my ancesters will probably be so pisses to find out that I totally ignored all the hard efforts lol. (My village still has a copy, but I'm not adding more name to the stupid thing, a waste of time, its also misogynistic AF, if there's a daugher, then the lineage doesn't record their decendents. So dumb, as I guy, I hate this patriarchal bullshit)
I think the opposite with happen with the same results. Everyone's DNA will be on the books. It'll be revealed that we're all related somehow. You'll be able to orient the database any way that you want to see how you're related.
With the U.S. only being 250 years old, I can't say anyone would remember presidents in 600 years. If the U.S. is gone there will likely be mention of 1 president that was in power when whatever came and took/changed it. During the planetary destruction revolution there was a plethora of wasteful greed. They called it an industrial revolution that ran rampant with greed and wastefulness.
History preserved the names of heads of state from countries that had a much shorter existence or impact. 600 years might seem a long time to Americans but it's not that long for historical memory.
Perhaps but what is the value of human life? Being remembered of living and enjoying life? You won't be around to care that no one remembers you, but you are here to enjoy life right now. So why be bothered by what people in 600 years are up to.
While that's true, we have much more extensive record keeping these days. I've been researching my family tree, and 100 years ago there were still a decent number of people who were mostly illiterate. Add to that documents like the census being handwritten in cursive on paper, and you get lots of errors being recorded, and the records themselves being damaged by age.
Unless something drastic happens, a lot of our records will still exist in the centuries to come. It will mostly be our official records, but they should still be there :)
It's not just names in lists though. Using my mother's grandparents as examples, I know where they were born and grew up, I know who they lived with at multiple points in their lives, and I know a few of the places where they lived.
I know where and when they got married, and some of the guests, and I know what children they had and when. As they were adults at the time, I know some of what my great grandfather was doing during the first World War and how he died.
I haven't done a deep dive into their lives yet as I've been working backwards, but I've already got a decent idea about who they were and what they were like. I know a fair bit about his parents and family too, as I checked that side first.
The biggest issues are finding photos, and the cost and availability of records. There are not many photos due to them not being as pervasive at the time, and there are not many records because a lot of things either weren't recorded or weren't saved. Both of those can be solved with the technology we have now. Lots of people have their own information saved, separate to the official sources, and it's easier to have multiple copies of everything, so they won't get lost or destroyed as easily.
Hopefully this means that we'll remember more of the past going forwards :)
Tbf, they didn't have mass surveillance back then.
If the data doesn't get lost, someone could find an average human in a developed country born in the 21st century, and could know what their entire life is like.
Ok that's actually an interesting use of AI. Train on only media from that time period. This is Daniel, from the year 1400. Tell me about the Catholic Church
I really doubt this. Humanity is really good at surviving things.
My prediction - at a certain point, we gain the ability to port human brains to computers. The most wealthy gain this tech first, and effectively become immortal. Using their wealth (which is likely always accumulating) they are able to afford lots of redundency and good tech + energy to function at extremely high levels of performance - essentially making them immortal gods. I assume they will form alliances and rivalries, and stake out ground based on the now-general-intelligence AIs they have created.
Most people who choose transhumanism after this will need to utilize their afterlife continuing to work in order to pay for the ongoing cost of running their servers.
Meanwhile, humans still made of meat will have started conducting experiments on their genetics. Initially this will be about simply reducing or removing the chance of carrying a genetic disease. But soon they will start working on how to generally be better than others - improved cognitive abilities; sexier, stronger bodies; improved emotional regulation. Not long after, it will start being considered irresponsible to have children without the standard genetic modifications that the middle class can afford. Permanent class stratifications will be etched into dna. Even further along, the rich take genetic modification into fashion, creating physical markers of class stratification which will gradually make them look less human. As genetic class differences widen, there will be increasing class wars - in each one, the upper classes and those aligned with them will eliminate more and more of the lower classes. Slavery will also make a comeback, as those without genetic modifications (or with sufficiently lesser modifications) will be deemed too irresponsible to manage their own affairs and function in society. The descendents of the ultra-rich transhumanist gods, who will have the best and most fashionable genetic modifications, will be the first to achieve immortality in the flesh. But there will probably develop a sort of cultural expectation that they eventually give up their flesh and become transhumans like their anscestors.
Therefore, I will not have children unless I earn enough to afford their genetic modifications. To do otherwise would be irresponsible.
Like the scientist who invented it will say its human, but from an ontology perspective, you can't ever be sure about that. That could just be killing you and copying your brain.
No way in hell I'm gonna "upload" my brain. It's suicide. Star trek teleporters are murder machines.
Why not? It has the thoughts, feelings, memories, and personality of a human. What else is a human? A physical body? Does, then, losong one's leg male one less human?
Isn't this the plot of Schismatrix by Bruce Sterling, the rich Mechanists that extend their life through machines vs the Shapers who rely on genetic modifications. Love, Death and Robots adapted a few short stories from this books universe that were very good
The only thing I find hard to believe in is DNA manipulation tech becoming affordable enough for the masses to choose to get it themselves, more likely it will be forced upon people to turn them into useful slave labor
Doesn't even take that long. My parent passed away and left boxes of pictures from 50 to 75 years ago and no one recognizes. Why did they have these pictures and boxes of them? No notes. Nothing.
I think humans might, but we won't have fancy skyscrapers, we'll be living in bunkers hiding from whatever disaster (war, plague, radiation, alien invasion) is on the surface.
Technically, climate change by itself isn't what will destroy civilization, its the aftermath, mainly, the crops wouldn't be able to grow properly in a fucked up temperaure, weather, ecosystem...
Similar to "old age" in humans, nobody "dies of old age" in of itself, rather, its the complications that result from old age.
I am doing Genealogy as a hobby and in most of the lines I am in the 18the century, in some in the 17th century.
What I learned during this hobby is a simple thing - the more generations you go back, the more ancestors you have - the formula is 2^n. So if you go back 10 generations, you have roughly 1,024 ancestors.
Now imagine how many descendants these people have? I have met plenty of others nerds who are also doing genealogy, cousins by 7the grade and so on. There is always some dude doing this stuff, so I am pretty sure there will be one in the future.
Of course I can only go back about 300-350 years, but we people today are leaving way more traces on this planet than my ancestors in the 17th century.
I have a geneology book dating back 20 generations. Its all in tradition chinese and kinda blurry and I kinda never learned most of the charcters besides the basics. But I skimmed it and aparantly it dates back to 1200s. A lot of mention about emperors and stuff. Unfortunately I can't share it with y'all since that's kinda doxxing and I posted too much political stuff on Lemmy.
It's only the male ancestors, patriarchy and all, ya know.
Honestly, besides the snippets if history, I don't know what the point of the whole name lists is. Can't even find the aunts on there, what good is that for.
Like... there's not even a portrait (like a hand drawn one), just a bunch of names. What, am I gonna use that inherit some long lost magical kingdom that's gonna appear out of nowhere? Am I the Dragonborn? No lolz. I can't understand "tradition"
I guess its cool for declorations, make the house look ancient and mysterious?
The original is alresdy falling apart lol (probably not the original original, probably copied at least 5 times already, no way it survived 800 years), then all the genology books in the village kinda got consolidated into one big one containing all households. Everyone in the village has the same last name (I think). Y'all get to have sex in highschool, back in the days, people didn't get to choose, my parents kinda just got introduced to each other and they wete pressured to marry. Its technically consensual, but if they reject, they are just gonna introduce you to someone else. Kinda reminds me of the beginning of House of Dragon (except the part about being royalty of course, we are all just ordinary people). And my parents yell at each other a lot, kinda a fragile marriage... 🤷♂️
So let me explain what my motivation is... I am not so much interested in origin. I don't feel any connection to the ancestors I do not know, which starts with my great grandparents. I don't even know my grant parents, however, there is a bound through my parents, who were brought up by them. So their character, how they see their world etc. is influenced by my grand parents.
Now, this is limited to my grand parents, we are speaking of a period of roughly 100 years. What about the ancestors before that time? My family tree is mostly made out of dates like you said, baptisms, marriages, deaths. A huge list of more or less random people that have nothing to do with me.
However, I am using these people to tap into the historical contexts they were born in.
My family is entirely made out of day laborers in Germany. There are a few masons, but most of them day laborers, the lowest class you can imagine. Usually, when you study history, you are looking through a certain perspective. In Germany this will most likely be counts and dukes, aristocracy, wars, territories etc. - but not so much about the poor people. My genealogical research is basically opening a new window for me, to view history from another perspective. I collected an extensive collection of literature about the weirdest little villages and stories you would never even have heard of, if you'd just follow the "traditional" way like history is taught in schools.
My name is on some US patents. Out of anything, I expect those to have the best odds of surviving for 600 years. Of course no one will look them up in 600 years unless they have really niche interests.
I don't want to brag, but I've made a meme or two that got dozens of up votes. It's basically immortality. I'm sure there will be statues and monuments of me by then.
History from this period will feast or famine. If the Internet Archive is preserved long term, then your words on the Internet will be there. If not, then bitrot will happen within decades.
The feast result will be an interesting one for historians. We don't usually have historical records about common people of any era more than a century or two back. "History is written by the victors" isn't quite right. History is written by writers, and for most of history, those would be educated upper class people.
Historians love finding Roman graffiti, even when it's about some guy's giant cock. So yes, they'll be interested in your memes, too.
Relative to a normal life, nobody knows me now... and with where and how I live that likely won't change.
So definitely not, aside from the unlikely event I could get my head preserved (likely questionable testing). Then again I know in all likelihood that wouldn't work, so I'm not sure getting a mention in some niche Wikipedia article would be the same as being remembered.
I barely think Trump will be remembered. In 600 years we'll have a completely different economic/political system. I can't image our quaint ideas of 'nations' lasting much longer. This economic/political system was a flash in the pan from just after the Napoleonic wars till about now. I'm not sure what will come soon, but we've been stuck with an antiquated system now for over 70years.
Without googling, can you tell me who Hideki Tojo is?
It's not that hard of a question and a lot of people willing know him, but unlike with say Hitler or Jesus, I also think there's a lot who isn't recognise the name at all.
Ofc it's probably not hard to guess the context here, but still. The point is about name recognition. I wonder how familiar the teenagers of today are with Reagan or Nixon. Clearly on a meme basis the names are still recognised. But in 100 years, after a half a dozen more Trumps?
Prolly less so.
Anyways I agree with the other guy that it's completely possible if not likely history will have ignored Trump in 600 years time.
But I guess none of us will be around to see that. Although I wouldn't be 100% sure of that either.
But from this echo chamber, it surely seems like the current us president will live in infamy. Think about online debates over who was worst president ever: now it’s clear. And if he truly is accelerating the fall of the American century, then yes, he’ll be taught about ins cho for centuries to come
Depend depends upon the reason That they’re being remembered. For example of someone who came up the cure for cancer you would hope they’d be remembered.
Remember in what capacity? I don't think any of our (users in this thread) names will be a part of conversation or on anyone's mind in any meaningful capacity. I do believe that digital storage is getting better and that our names and information about us will still probably exist somewhere in 600 years. So maybe somewhere someone might see your name. But that's very different than "remembering", you know?
I was tangentially talking about this recently. Our effects live on even after we die. It seems prideful to worry about your name being associated with them. This wasn't in the context of LLMs though.
Me personally? Absolutely not and that's great. Someone who is alive now? Probably yes. We know about Socrates and Caesar and Leif Erickson and Ghengis Khan and Cleopatra.
I mean, if the internet is preserved, someone might eventually dig through these comments right now.
Due to mass surveillance and big data, people 600 years from now are more likely for find remnants of you, than you are to find remnants of someone from 600 years ago.
*Assuming humans and the technology survive, that is
I read books from people that died centuries or even millennia ago (ok in their case, their writings are not technically speaking books, but you get the idea). So, a few of us could be remembered as well.
Alas, there is a difference in our days and age: all our creations, text, images and sound, are digital. There is hardly any hardcopy anymore. And I doubt much if any of most of our 'dematerialized' content and even worse our cloud stored/streamed content will survive long after the last person stops paying the monthly fee. And even for those that don't are not cloud -stored, I doubt much will survive more than a few years after we have passed. Digital doesn't decay well.
For those future human beings, if there are any left to study our times,, we could as well be known as the 'voiceless trash age', without much artifacts left beside a planet filled with waste and plastic craps. Oh, and piles and piles of dead smartphones, too.
Paper didn't survive much either. All we have of old documents are copies of copies of copies of copies, really. Even the most important documents- from those making up the Holy Bible to the Magna Carta - we just don't have.
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snooggums@piefed.world · 53 pts · 327d
The vast, vast majority of people are forgotten within 100 years. Pretty much need to be in an extremely high position where records are kept, like presidents, or do something extraordinarily positive or negative.
I strongly doubt anyone reading this post will be remembered after the people they met or interacted with directly have died.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 327d
Or be a really shitty copper merchant
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 326d
Yeah, weird random chance makes a huge difference. Otzi was probably well known, but only hyper-regionally. Lucy was basically just an unusually smart animal, and that was millions of years ago.
And just because you're forgotten for a bit doesn't mean you won't come back into style.
Hmm. So if you want 15 minutes of fame a long time from now, what's some weird easter egg you can leave?
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
Buttplug
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 326d
Archeologists actually dig up a lot of sex toys, believe it or not. That won't get you noticed.
A time capsule with something that nobody else will think to preserve might do it. Way too many preserve things the future is actually meh about. I wonder if a weird data footprint might be even better at this point. Like, if you filled out some official form thousands of times just for fun, and someone a long time from now is doing analysis and turns it into a meme.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
What sort of forms about buttplugs do we have?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 327d
I actually have a geneology book （族谱） from my paternal lineage (everybody does this in China). Its just a bunch of names, and some history of the village summarized. I hate tradition and I'm already in the US right now, I dont give a shit about the stupid geneology book anymore, my ancesters will probably be so pisses to find out that I totally ignored all the hard efforts lol. (My village still has a copy, but I'm not adding more name to the stupid thing, a waste of time, its also misogynistic AF, if there's a daugher, then the lineage doesn't record their decendents. So dumb, as I guy, I hate this patriarchal bullshit)
crank0271@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 326d
Some aspects of that tradition are commendable, though. It would be neat to see this updated in a less male-centric fashion.
rezifon@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 326d
Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people.
Mac@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 326d
Tradition is just narcissists convincing you to do things their way because change is ✨scary✨
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 326d
Sure, but what if the dead people are right? Statistically, they will be some share of the time.
The catch is that that goes for all the various disagreeing traditions. Putting priority on your own is sus.
thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
I think the opposite with happen with the same results. Everyone's DNA will be on the books. It'll be revealed that we're all related somehow. You'll be able to orient the database any way that you want to see how you're related.
Mac@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 326d
I'm still alive and I'm already forgotten. 👌
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 327d
With the U.S. only being 250 years old, I can't say anyone would remember presidents in 600 years. If the U.S. is gone there will likely be mention of 1 president that was in power when whatever came and took/changed it. During the planetary destruction revolution there was a plethora of wasteful greed. They called it an industrial revolution that ran rampant with greed and wastefulness.
ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 13 pts · 327d
History preserved the names of heads of state from countries that had a much shorter existence or impact. 600 years might seem a long time to Americans but it's not that long for historical memory.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 327d
Sure, then everything in history would be "remembered" forever... Except no one would know or care. To me, that is not remembered.
I would say Jesus is forgotten completely at this point even though he is written/read everywhere
snooggums@piefed.world · 1 pts · 327d
We record these kinds of things in archives as they go along. Hell, we have records of Egyptian and Roman leadership going back centuries.
lena@gregtech.eu · 2 pts · 327d
That's quite sad tbh, we're all just tiny specks on the timeline of humans
BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 327d
Perhaps but what is the value of human life? Being remembered of living and enjoying life? You won't be around to care that no one remembers you, but you are here to enjoy life right now. So why be bothered by what people in 600 years are up to.
brrt@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 327d
Im glad you replied what I was going to reply… just in a way more positive way :D
lena@gregtech.eu · 2 pts · 327d
Fair point! We're here to enjoy life now.
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 327d
lena@gregtech.eu · 2 pts · 327d
Yeah, it is incredibly fascinating.
snooggums@piefed.world · 1 pts · 327d
I am 100% in favor of being forgotten, because trying to stand out in the sea of billions of people is a ridiculous expectation.
Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 327d
While that's true, we have much more extensive record keeping these days. I've been researching my family tree, and 100 years ago there were still a decent number of people who were mostly illiterate. Add to that documents like the census being handwritten in cursive on paper, and you get lots of errors being recorded, and the records themselves being damaged by age.
Unless something drastic happens, a lot of our records will still exist in the centuries to come. It will mostly be our official records, but they should still be there :)
snooggums@piefed.world · 4 pts · 327d
Is a name in a list really being remembered though?
Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 327d
It's not just names in lists though. Using my mother's grandparents as examples, I know where they were born and grew up, I know who they lived with at multiple points in their lives, and I know a few of the places where they lived.
I know where and when they got married, and some of the guests, and I know what children they had and when. As they were adults at the time, I know some of what my great grandfather was doing during the first World War and how he died.
I haven't done a deep dive into their lives yet as I've been working backwards, but I've already got a decent idea about who they were and what they were like. I know a fair bit about his parents and family too, as I checked that side first.
The biggest issues are finding photos, and the cost and availability of records. There are not many photos due to them not being as pervasive at the time, and there are not many records because a lot of things either weren't recorded or weren't saved. Both of those can be solved with the technology we have now. Lots of people have their own information saved, separate to the official sources, and it's easier to have multiple copies of everything, so they won't get lost or destroyed as easily.
Hopefully this means that we'll remember more of the past going forwards :)
tfowinder@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 327d
Well, do you remember anyone from 1425 or even 1625?
CannonFodder@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 327d
Wikipedia does.
ieGod@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 325d
That's pretty neat actually.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 327d
Tbf, they didn't have mass surveillance back then.
If the data doesn't get lost, someone could find an average human in a developed country born in the 21st century, and could know what their entire life is like.
MagicShel@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 327d
"It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sommbitch or another."
No one needs to remember me except my kids. Maybe my grandkids.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 327d
Too late, thanks to big tech, your grandkids will know what type of porn you watch.
DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 327d
Yeah, and they'll like it, whether they like it or not!
RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 326d
"JAYNE, the man they call Jayne."
Lexam@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 327d
To be fair I don't remember anyone from 600 years in the future.
Grimy@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 326d
I imagine some archivists might find the lost fragments of this server is some ruins and by some miracle, maybe extract this very thread.
Ludrol@szmer.info · 8 pts · 326d
We all will be living inside the weights of LLMs from this era.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech · 4 pts · 326d
Ok that's actually an interesting use of AI. Train on only media from that time period. This is Daniel, from the year 1400. Tell me about the Catholic Church
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com · 1 pts · 326d
This is basically how the persona AIs work. Some of them are focused on an individual, others are trained on a group of individuals.
Grimy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
I think I'm part of what makes it stupid tho :(
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 326d
Fat chance, we're not carving things on glass or stone. SSDs and HDDs lose their contents and are irrecoverable even within our own lifetimes
Grimy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
You are most likely right but it really depends on what we come up with in the future.
MajorHavoc@programming.dev · 2 pts · 326d
Yes. Or, they'll get the thread with the awkward dog meme about a microwave. It's beautiful to contemplate.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 326d
Hi to the future! 👋
JandroDelSol@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 326d
ngl I don't know if the earth will even be inhabitable in 600 years
NovaSel@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
Yeah true, to be remembered we need someone alive to remember us
thatradomguy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 326d
There's a running phrase that gets' mentioned a lot in the Peanuts comic strip: "500 years from now, who'll know the difference?"
Just wanted to mention that. Peace ✌️
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 326d
I will write a blog complaining about copper prices. If my sources are correct I will be remembered forever.
palordrolap@fedia.io · 9 pts · 327d
Brave of you to assume that humanity will exist in 600 years.
Actually, we might be, but the better-off ones will be back at sticks and stones and huddling around wood fires and the like.
blarghly@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
I really doubt this. Humanity is really good at surviving things.
My prediction - at a certain point, we gain the ability to port human brains to computers. The most wealthy gain this tech first, and effectively become immortal. Using their wealth (which is likely always accumulating) they are able to afford lots of redundency and good tech + energy to function at extremely high levels of performance - essentially making them immortal gods. I assume they will form alliances and rivalries, and stake out ground based on the now-general-intelligence AIs they have created.
Most people who choose transhumanism after this will need to utilize their afterlife continuing to work in order to pay for the ongoing cost of running their servers.
Meanwhile, humans still made of meat will have started conducting experiments on their genetics. Initially this will be about simply reducing or removing the chance of carrying a genetic disease. But soon they will start working on how to generally be better than others - improved cognitive abilities; sexier, stronger bodies; improved emotional regulation. Not long after, it will start being considered irresponsible to have children without the standard genetic modifications that the middle class can afford. Permanent class stratifications will be etched into dna. Even further along, the rich take genetic modification into fashion, creating physical markers of class stratification which will gradually make them look less human. As genetic class differences widen, there will be increasing class wars - in each one, the upper classes and those aligned with them will eliminate more and more of the lower classes. Slavery will also make a comeback, as those without genetic modifications (or with sufficiently lesser modifications) will be deemed too irresponsible to manage their own affairs and function in society. The descendents of the ultra-rich transhumanist gods, who will have the best and most fashionable genetic modifications, will be the first to achieve immortality in the flesh. But there will probably develop a sort of cultural expectation that they eventually give up their flesh and become transhumans like their anscestors.
Therefore, I will not have children unless I earn enough to afford their genetic modifications. To do otherwise would be irresponsible.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 326d
Is that even human tho?
Like the scientist who invented it will say its human, but from an ontology perspective, you can't ever be sure about that. That could just be killing you and copying your brain.
No way in hell I'm gonna "upload" my brain. It's suicide. Star trek teleporters are murder machines.
blarghly@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
Why not? It has the thoughts, feelings, memories, and personality of a human. What else is a human? A physical body? Does, then, losong one's leg male one less human?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 326d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQHBAdShgYI
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 325d
Isn't this the plot of Schismatrix by Bruce Sterling, the rich Mechanists that extend their life through machines vs the Shapers who rely on genetic modifications. Love, Death and Robots adapted a few short stories from this books universe that were very good
blarghly@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 325d
No idea, never heard of it. It just seems obvious to me with the way tech is going.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 325d
The only thing I find hard to believe in is DNA manipulation tech becoming affordable enough for the masses to choose to get it themselves, more likely it will be forced upon people to turn them into useful slave labor
YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 326d
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 6 pts · 326d
Gonna be awkward as fuck if there is an afterlife and you run into OP after you both expire.
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 326d
The afterlife being on Lemmy isn't the worst thing I can think of.
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 327d
No, but AIs will be able to generate a statistically accurate simulacrum of a set of people like us.
GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 327d
Doesn't even take that long. My parent passed away and left boxes of pictures from 50 to 75 years ago and no one recognizes. Why did they have these pictures and boxes of them? No notes. Nothing.
DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 327d
As they say in preservation, metadata is key.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 325d
Upload it to Google photos or Facebook bet their face recognition AI would know lol
toomanypancakes@piefed.world · 8 pts · 327d
I don't think humanity is going to make it another 600 years tbh
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 327d
I think humans might, but we won't have fancy skyscrapers, we'll be living in bunkers hiding from whatever disaster (war, plague, radiation, alien invasion) is on the surface.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 327d
An alien invasion couldn't possibly make things worse.
NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 327d
I find it odd that natural disaster isn't on your list considering it's by far the most realistic scenario. Hell, it's already happening.
I guess the word "natural" isn't very accurate for a climate disaster, but still, it's not on your list.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 327d
Technically, climate change by itself isn't what will destroy civilization, its the aftermath, mainly, the crops wouldn't be able to grow properly in a fucked up temperaure, weather, ecosystem...
Similar to "old age" in humans, nobody "dies of old age" in of itself, rather, its the complications that result from old age.
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 327d
Flax_vert@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 327d
It all started in Eden with that fruit.
swelter_spark@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 325d
They may not remember us by our names, but they'll be able to see the effects of the choices we made.
Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org · 7 pts · 325d
gigachad@piefed.social · 6 pts · 326d
I am doing Genealogy as a hobby and in most of the lines I am in the 18the century, in some in the 17th century.
What I learned during this hobby is a simple thing - the more generations you go back, the more ancestors you have - the formula is 2^n. So if you go back 10 generations, you have roughly 1,024 ancestors.
Now imagine how many descendants these people have? I have met plenty of others nerds who are also doing genealogy, cousins by 7the grade and so on. There is always some dude doing this stuff, so I am pretty sure there will be one in the future.
Of course I can only go back about 300-350 years, but we people today are leaving way more traces on this planet than my ancestors in the 17th century.
blarghly@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 326d
This breaks down eventually. Eventually, incest.
gigachad@piefed.social · 4 pts · 326d
That's why I said roughly. The genealogical concept behind this is Ahnenschwund or pedigree collapse.
blarghly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
Fair enough. I just wanted to make an incest joke
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 326d
I have a geneology book dating back 20 generations. Its all in tradition chinese and kinda blurry and I kinda never learned most of the charcters besides the basics. But I skimmed it and aparantly it dates back to 1200s. A lot of mention about emperors and stuff. Unfortunately I can't share it with y'all since that's kinda doxxing and I posted too much political stuff on Lemmy.
It's only the male ancestors, patriarchy and all, ya know.
Honestly, besides the snippets if history, I don't know what the point of the whole name lists is. Can't even find the aunts on there, what good is that for.
Like... there's not even a portrait (like a hand drawn one), just a bunch of names. What, am I gonna use that inherit some long lost magical kingdom that's gonna appear out of nowhere? Am I the Dragonborn? No lolz. I can't understand "tradition"
I guess its cool for declorations, make the house look ancient and mysterious?
The original is alresdy falling apart lol (probably not the original original, probably copied at least 5 times already, no way it survived 800 years), then all the genology books in the village kinda got consolidated into one big one containing all households. Everyone in the village has the same last name (I think). Y'all get to have sex in highschool, back in the days, people didn't get to choose, my parents kinda just got introduced to each other and they wete pressured to marry. Its technically consensual, but if they reject, they are just gonna introduce you to someone else. Kinda reminds me of the beginning of House of Dragon (except the part about being royalty of course, we are all just ordinary people). And my parents yell at each other a lot, kinda a fragile marriage... 🤷♂️
gigachad@piefed.social · 1 pts · 326d
That is pretty impressive!
So let me explain what my motivation is... I am not so much interested in origin. I don't feel any connection to the ancestors I do not know, which starts with my great grandparents. I don't even know my grant parents, however, there is a bound through my parents, who were brought up by them. So their character, how they see their world etc. is influenced by my grand parents.
Now, this is limited to my grand parents, we are speaking of a period of roughly 100 years. What about the ancestors before that time? My family tree is mostly made out of dates like you said, baptisms, marriages, deaths. A huge list of more or less random people that have nothing to do with me.
However, I am using these people to tap into the historical contexts they were born in.
My family is entirely made out of day laborers in Germany. There are a few masons, but most of them day laborers, the lowest class you can imagine. Usually, when you study history, you are looking through a certain perspective. In Germany this will most likely be counts and dukes, aristocracy, wars, territories etc. - but not so much about the poor people. My genealogical research is basically opening a new window for me, to view history from another perspective. I collected an extensive collection of literature about the weirdest little villages and stories you would never even have heard of, if you'd just follow the "traditional" way like history is taught in schools.
I hope this explains it a bit!
authorinthedark@lemmy.sdf.org · 6 pts · 326d
They will if I eat the Mona Lisa
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 326d
Few people left who remember me now already
I'll be forgotten once me, my wife, my family and my few friends die, so left say nobody will know me or my accomplishments 50 years from now, tops.
Toes@ani.social · 1 pts · 326d
I wonder who the last person will be that knows how to fix a dos machine.
Vanth@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 326d
My name is on some US patents. Out of anything, I expect those to have the best odds of surviving for 600 years. Of course no one will look them up in 600 years unless they have really niche interests.
Colonel_Panic_@eviltoast.org · 5 pts · 326d
I don't want to brag, but I've made a meme or two that got dozens of up votes. It's basically immortality. I'm sure there will be statues and monuments of me by then.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 327d
History from this period will feast or famine. If the Internet Archive is preserved long term, then your words on the Internet will be there. If not, then bitrot will happen within decades.
The feast result will be an interesting one for historians. We don't usually have historical records about common people of any era more than a century or two back. "History is written by the victors" isn't quite right. History is written by writers, and for most of history, those would be educated upper class people.
Historians love finding Roman graffiti, even when it's about some guy's giant cock. So yes, they'll be interested in your memes, too.
silica@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 325d
No.
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 327d
You never know, look at Ea Nasir.
Little8Lost@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 326d
Copper is so reusable, any of you could be currently affected by the poor quality
stoy@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 326d
I don't really want to be remembered for generations, if I am that means that statistically I was a bastard
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 326d
No, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
No, and I'm thankful for that
insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 326d
Relative to a normal life, nobody knows me now... and with where and how I live that likely won't change.
So definitely not, aside from the unlikely event I could get my head preserved (likely questionable testing). Then again I know in all likelihood that wouldn't work, so I'm not sure getting a mention in some niche Wikipedia article would be the same as being remembered.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
yes, but only the biggest brightest bonfires.
will charlie kirk be known? nah. will Donald Trump be known? absolutely.
the bigger the bonfire, the more damaging it is to society.
thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 326d
I barely think Trump will be remembered. In 600 years we'll have a completely different economic/political system. I can't image our quaint ideas of 'nations' lasting much longer. This economic/political system was a flash in the pan from just after the Napoleonic wars till about now. I'm not sure what will come soon, but we've been stuck with an antiquated system now for over 70years.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 326d
ever heard of Genghis Khan? How about King Solomon? Judas ring a bell? Pharaoh Akhenaten?
"But trump isn't nearly as bad as half those people"
Just wait. The worst is yet to come.
thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
How much do you know about Francis II, that last Holy Roman Emperor? A few people read about him, but he’s not that common of a name.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
doesn't matter if I know their claim to fame. it's about name recognition. at least that's all OP was asking for.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 325d
Without googling, can you tell me who Hideki Tojo is?
It's not that hard of a question and a lot of people willing know him, but unlike with say Hitler or Jesus, I also think there's a lot who isn't recognise the name at all.
Ofc it's probably not hard to guess the context here, but still. The point is about name recognition. I wonder how familiar the teenagers of today are with Reagan or Nixon. Clearly on a meme basis the names are still recognised. But in 100 years, after a half a dozen more Trumps?
Prolly less so.
Anyways I agree with the other guy that it's completely possible if not likely history will have ignored Trump in 600 years time.
But I guess none of us will be around to see that. Although I wouldn't be 100% sure of that either.
thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 326d
jaxxed@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 325d
If some people get their way, then Kirk will be remembered somewhat, like Franz Ferdinand.
Evotech@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 325d
He’ll be known like any other president 600 years ago
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 327d
AA5B@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 326d
Not me.
But from this echo chamber, it surely seems like the current us president will live in infamy. Think about online debates over who was worst president ever: now it’s clear. And if he truly is accelerating the fall of the American century, then yes, he’ll be taught about ins cho for centuries to come
Nemo@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 327d
Do you think that's important?
andrewta@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 327d
Depend depends upon the reason That they’re being remembered. For example of someone who came up the cure for cancer you would hope they’d be remembered.
Nemo@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 327d
I'd rather the cure be remembered than that name of who discovered it.
andrewta@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 327d
Why can’t it be both?
Why does it need to be one or the other?
Trust me if someone finds the cure for cancer, the cure will still be around in 200 years.
Nemo@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 326d
It can be both, digital records last forever. The Forgotten Generation will be the the last forgotten generation.
horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 325d
Depends how big you fuck up.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 327d
There was a pic of my great-great-grandparents on the wall. No idea what their name was.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 326d
The people of nepal, probably. Remembered as a collective
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org · 2 pts · 326d
People might be if you eat the Mona Lisa.
Matriks404@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
We'll be all just data left. Unless someone really bored finds something amusing about certain data entry about somebody, no not really.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 326d
No.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 2 pts · 326d
Remember in what capacity? I don't think any of our (users in this thread) names will be a part of conversation or on anyone's mind in any meaningful capacity. I do believe that digital storage is getting better and that our names and information about us will still probably exist somewhere in 600 years. So maybe somewhere someone might see your name. But that's very different than "remembering", you know?
howrar@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 325d
We will live on in future LLMs, and possibly in the minds of AGI if that ever gets developed.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 2 pts · 325d
I was tangentially talking about this recently. Our effects live on even after we die. It seems prideful to worry about your name being associated with them. This wasn't in the context of LLMs though.
RBWells@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
Me personally? Absolutely not and that's great. Someone who is alive now? Probably yes. We know about Socrates and Caesar and Leif Erickson and Ghengis Khan and Cleopatra.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 325d
How many people do you know who were alive 600 years ago?
CombatWombatEsq@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
Lexam@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 327d
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
Gods no. Who would want to know about me in the future?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 327d
Maybe.
I mean, if the internet is preserved, someone might eventually dig through these comments right now.
Due to mass surveillance and big data, people 600 years from now are more likely for find remnants of you, than you are to find remnants of someone from 600 years ago.
*Assuming humans and the technology survive, that is
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
According to The Vandals, no. It's a fact.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 325d
If someone is immortal they would.
NovaSel@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
Maybe a few particularly consequential world leaders, but most of us? No.
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 326d
Someone will be remembered. It's very unlikely to be me, unless human lifespans get a lot longer, which TBF they probably will.
Gorbachev will probably still be famous at some point after 3025, let alone 2625, although he might be forgotten and then popularised in between.
RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 326d
Considering how small my online presence is, nope. I'll be remember until the last of my family kick the bucket.
janus2@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 327d
i sure fuckin hope not i don't even wanna remember me most days now
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 324d
chunes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
I think some of the tech geniuses of our time will be remembered since it was the birth of the internet.
I mean, we remember Da Vinci, Columbus, and Martin Luther. That was 600 years ago.
DarkBluemetal@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 326d
What will anyone remember any of us in a 1 million years?
Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 326d
Remember isnt the word for it but they will probably have some vague allusion to the depravity and unbridled hubirus of the flesh times.
Libb@piefed.social · 0 pts · 327d
I read books from people that died centuries or even millennia ago (ok in their case, their writings are not technically speaking books, but you get the idea). So, a few of us could be remembered as well.
Alas, there is a difference in our days and age: all our creations, text, images and sound, are digital. There is hardly any hardcopy anymore. And I doubt much if any of most of our 'dematerialized' content and even worse our cloud stored/streamed content will survive long after the last person stops paying the monthly fee. And even for those that don't are not cloud -stored, I doubt much will survive more than a few years after we have passed. Digital doesn't decay well.
For those future human beings, if there are any left to study our times,, we could as well be known as the 'voiceless trash age', without much artifacts left beside a planet filled with waste and plastic craps. Oh, and piles and piles of dead smartphones, too.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 327d
Paper didn't survive much either. All we have of old documents are copies of copies of copies of copies, really. Even the most important documents- from those making up the Holy Bible to the Magna Carta - we just don't have.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 326d
not if you don't make art