Trump Says He’s Sending Troops To ‘War Ravaged’ America City — Authorizes ‘Full Force’
https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/trump-says-hes-sending-troops-to-war-ravaged-america-city-authorizes-full-force/
434 points · 114 comments · view on lemmy.world
114 Comments
Almacca@aussie.zone · 195 pts · 348d
I tell ya, this is all just a prelude to cancelling elections.
taldennz@lemmy.nz · 76 pts · 348d
It does start to look like another step on the journey to the land of "you won't need to vote"
Weed out politic nay-sayers directly... we're already seeing some of that going on.
Then make being a member of the armed-forces ideologically untenable for those who aren't worshipping orange. Trump's actions must be impacting the national-pride aspect of serving for some (and changing the political disposition at the recruiting office).
If this is effective, in three years, maybe you'll have a military significantly dominated by active supporters (or at least fence-sitters)... Now that opens up some options.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 33 pts · 348d
Except you will actually lose a significant number of your military force to do that. Who is going to replace the ones who leave? The majority of MAGA die-hards aren't actually physically fit enough or able to stop using meth long enough to actually cut it in the military. To keep troop levels what they're at (which is definitely not enough to wrangle the whole nation) they'd have to drastically reduce physical fitness and drug abuse standards.
Germany took Europe with about 18 million soldiers throughout the entire war, and Europe had about 540 million citizens overall before World War 2. US has around just over 2 million soldiers (with only 10% in "boots on the ground" combat roles) with about 350 million citizens, all of which are far more spread out over the US than they were in Europe.
The ability for the US military to occupy and hold it's own nation is absurdly low, honestly, imho.
Evidence to support my assertion: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/09/28/new-pentagon-study-shows-77-of-young-americans-are-ineligible-military-service.html
Pentagon study from 2020: "A new study from the Pentagon shows that 77% of young Americans would not qualify for military service without a waiver due to being overweight, using drugs or having mental and physical health problems."
DrFistington@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 348d
That's why they have a sudden tick tock deal. Control the largest source of youth propaganda, and if you delay elections long enough, you may get the 16 year old Nazi army you want
lectricleopard@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 348d
That is the scariest part of this to me. There are some chronicly online young people, that were well below voting age during covid, and are now just detached from reality due to the propaganda. When I talk to people my age (40's), at least we have a common experience of the world before Obama even. Not so with some folks now. Its terrifying.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 348d
And let them do meth in the army anyway. That’s what happened in Germany too.
F_State@midwest.social · 4 pts · 348d
I really hope someone that doesn't live in the US, Russia, or China start a TikTok rival for people to switch to.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 348d
It probably won't work
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 348d
Setting aside a probable civil war, I think balkanization would be the most likely split of the American militaries. Most of them would simply align with their home states. The US is a continent, so we would get several different blocs, if there is no clean split between Antifa and Fascist.
zwerg@feddit.org · 4 pts · 348d
The Nazis didn't have anything like the arsenal available to the U.S. military, and they were fighting a fully equipped and trained, modern (for the time) fighting force - arguably the world's supper power at the time.
In your scenario, the U.S. military would fight guys with semi-automatic weapons. They would have laser guided bombs, tanks, tear gas, the full works. Im sorry, but the armed militia won't stand a chance.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 348d
All the major cities are majority Democrat. All the major industries run business out of the major cities.
As much as the wealthy are short term thinkers, do you really think they'd be okay with tanks and guided bombs absolutely wrecking their cities and making it impossible for their laborers to get to their dayjobs?
Tanks in the streets don't usually make people feel safe enough to leave their homes. Indiscriminate bombing doesn't either. Having your city bombed to smithereens ain't good for business.
You're forgetting that they would be occupying the US itself, and in throwing down like that would absolutely terminally wreck what is left of the real economy. If bombing your own major economic centers to hell and back is "holding your country militarily" then you've made a huge tactical error.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 5 pts · 348d
Every war the US has entered within the last 60 years disagrees.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 347d
Fucking brutal burn.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 348d
That is an unrealistic assertion.
1: Soldiers are not machines. They have opinions and loyalties. Many US troops won't want to kill Americans, especially ones from their own neck of the woods. California has a major share of these people, and Trump isn't likely to convince enough of them to get California's assets.
2: All the fancy gear has complicated supply chains, and would be quickly exhausted in a civil war. This is particularly bad for the Conservatives, since Trump has tried his best to alienate potential trading partners.
3: The low standards of ICE makes it easy to infiltrate. This means that saboteurs, foreign and domestic, can easily access Conservative territories and engage in operations without being caught.
4: The United States are huge. There is simply too much territory for any military to cover. It would be a long and grinding war.
5: Canada, Mexico, and other nations would likely send soldiers and material to aid in conquering the Trump Regime. The reasons will vary, from annexing American territory, earning favors, revenge, or simply to obtain a reliable partner on the world stage. Trump has burned many bridges, and is known to be an untrustworthy character who won't uphold agreements.
6: The Trump Regime does not value experts, and will suffer in nearly every aspect. The only thing they got going for them, is raw aggression and the inability to understand consequences. This makes them similar to a rhino, minus the power to back the unthinking rage.
7: There has been many promises by Conservatives to brutalize and murder innocent people. An autistic like myself is designated to be sent to a "wellness farm", many minorities have lost their jobs or been punished for existing. Some, like me, are inclined to fight to the bloody end. After all, the Trump Regime has made it clear that only death and suffering awaits if it is allowed to survive.
8: Many competent people have been exiled from the Trump Regime's government. Those skilled public servants, be they bureaucratic or military, are free to be added to the ranks of Antifa powers to support the eradication of the Trump Regime.
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io · 22 pts · 348d
Incidentally, Hegseth is requiring all US military generals to meet with him in person next week.
A retired general has directly compared it to when Hitler's fuckups forced the german generals and admiralty to re-swear their oath of service, in person, from the original oath to the country and new oath directly to Hitler.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 348d
Hegseth was talking about using Kirk's murder for recruitment.
blarth@thelemmy.club · 19 pts · 348d
He is trying to incite a civil war. Russian psyops are working with him on this.
WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 348d
They won’t be cancelled, that would be unconstitutional.
Instead, ICE will be posted at polling places and intimidate people not to vote.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 16 pts · 348d
Trump doesn't give a single fuck about the constitution.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 348d
No, but he literally does not control elections, as they're run at the state level. It's why he's going for more work-around ideas like working to villainize things like vote-by-mail. It's the same play as it ever has been for Republicans, make it harder to vote so only the rich who support them can actually make it out to vote. Make it increasingly difficult for the lower classes to have their voices heard. The dumb yokels may be the loudest Trump supporters but one of the biggest blocs of Trump voters were business owners and other relatively wealthy citizens.
grue@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 348d
That's why MAGAs have been making a concerted effort to systematically take over elections boards etc.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 348d
Yeah it's way more likely ICE will be used to occupy cities in general. For one, they don't have the same rigorous health standards that the military does, and for two, they just massively ballooned the budget of ICE for the specific purpose of recruitment. A lot easier to get dumb easily controlled thugs that way then trying to get the military deeply involved. The military being sent out is just Trump trying to pretend he's swinging his big dick around when it actually shows how weak he must be to be doing it.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 348d
This is the obvious way to so it, no new power and you get to have elections you cam trick liberals into believing they're forced by philosophical principals to honor
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 7 pts · 348d
Apparently during the American occupation of Haiti, the occupation government wanted to pass a new, wildly unpopular constitution via a referendum. To do this (and ostensibly to get around most of the population being illiterate) they implemented the following system: In the polling station there would be two cards, a white card and a black card, meaning yes and no respectively. The white cards were already on the table, but you had to ask for the black card. From the US marine standing guard to "keep order." The new constitution passed.
Ghyste@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 348d
Any excuse to declare martial law.
Anyone want to bet he says Martian law?
sol6_vi@lemmy.makearmy.io · 10 pts · 348d
Ghyste@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 348d
Double credit if he tweets it.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 348d
Or Maritime law
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz · 9 pts · 348d
Why would they want to change anything about elections when they are already rigged as fuck and a binary option between 2 parties that circle in power every few years?
To me it looks like they are doing what every authoritarian government does when people start protesting
aceshigh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 347d
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 348d
Even if it isn't, responding as if it is won't be a terrible thing I do. Do what you can to resist this in your daily life.
selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works · 110 pts · 348d
Portland just recently broke the top 50 safest cities in the US. Just so you know what that assclown is targeting.
F_State@midwest.social · 37 pts · 348d
There are a huge number of country bumpkins that saw Portland on the TV during 2020 and assumed/were mislead into believing the whole city burned down and it's just a smoldering wasteland now. The actual problems were in a relatively small area downtown; most of Portland was unaffected.
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 348d
I work with people in the software engineering field that have mentioned wanting to visit Portland but ask me if it's safe.
I can't even.
F_State@midwest.social · 15 pts · 348d
I won't lie, the city has had problems but people's online rants about it are always overblown and always from people who don't live or visit there.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 348d
Plus, that was a long time ago. I drive by the Seattle "snowflakes beware" area a lot. It's just Seattleites doing their thing.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 348d
queueBenSis@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 347d
adding a source for this claim for the curious : https://wallethub.com/edu/safest-cities-in-america/41926
Jumbie@lemmy.zip · 101 pts · 348d
Another inch forward and we all stupidly pretend this means nothing.
xyzzy@lemmy.today · 26 pts · 348d
Jumbie@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 348d
See, there’s a fourth option: The people with the power need to take action and I don’t mean a “strongly worded letter.” I’m talking about the leaders with the knowledge and the levers to move this along.
If they don’t the inevitability is that No Kings becomes more than the nice picnic it currently is for citizens.
Me? I’m a citizen just like you. I have no power unless you and I become a team.
xyzzy@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 348d
F_State@midwest.social · 7 pts · 348d
You left out the General Strike response
Soulg@ani.social · 4 pts · 348d
That would fall under non violent
F_State@midwest.social · 3 pts · 348d
Eh, it can be either
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 6 pts · 348d
Just another distraction from the Epstein files.
/s
xenomor@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 348d
If you are a service member, you have a responsibility to refuse illegal and immoral orders. By participating in this administration’s un-American fascist projects, you position yourself as an enemy of the constitution, an enemy of the law, an enemy of the people. We did not accept “just following orders” as a defense the last time we put down a fascist uprising, and we wont accept it this time.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 15 pts · 348d
Not to detract from your point, but Nazi Germany and crew were a whole lot more than an uprising. Now to actually detract from your point, the Western Allies were super lax on Nazis during the Nuremberg trials to get the West Germans on their side against the Soviets. If I was a fascist looking at history to figure out whether I'd come out of post-facto trials unscathed, I'd feel pretty good about my chances.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 50 pts · 348d
War ravaged? Is this part of his delusions?
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 348d
Yep. The fascist party propaganda machines (Fox, OAN, NewsMax) have been reporting that Seattle and Portland are literal war zones for years now. I live in Seattle, and when I travel to the South or the Midwest, I always get the "ohh I'm so sorry" concerned comments from people when they learn where I'm from. So many people think that the cities literally burned down entirely.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 348d
You should ask "who's telling you this?" The follow-up is "you should ask yourself 'why are they lying to me?'"
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 348d
F_State@midwest.social · 11 pts · 348d
I see this online about Seattle all the time. (Plus hyperbole about the fent/homeless prob) People will be ranting about how awful Seattle is and how you can't go anywhere near it and I'm like "Really, I was there last month and had a lovely afternoon"
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 348d
I visited Columbus, Ohio for a week last month and witnessed more homeless and drug issues than I have in Seattle in the past five years. It's always projection, isn't it?
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 348d
Ask them why they believe mainstream media. Then watch them get an aneurysm.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 348d
I'd see certain commenters repeating that last sentence as just something that was an assumed truth.
Every single time I saw them doing it, I'd ask the usual suspects to show me exactly which cities "burned to the ground". These same people would basically scamper off, providing no evidence, only to make the same claims again in a few hours/days.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 348d
Oh yeah, they think BLM burned cities to the ground and there's riots everyday and fentanyl heads on every block, broken up with the occasional roving trans kidnapping gangs.
bampop@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 348d
To be war ravaged, it must be at war. Trump is literally declaring war on the American people. And also encouraging the armed forces to kill civilians, unless you think "full force" could possibly mean anything else in a military context.
It's amazing how people can look at stuff like this and say "gee this guy sure does use some crazy hyperbolic language, I wonder what he can mean by that". It's pretty fucking clear.
Kurious84@lemmings.world · 48 pts · 348d
Claims to end wars and then goes to war against us.
Blum0108@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 348d
We are an occupied nation.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 348d
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 348d
What war?
"Don't worry, we brought it with us in our luggage."
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 38 pts · 348d
Yet another distraction from the child rapist.
missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de · 16 pts · 348d
I'm pretty sure the Epstein files are the distraction from sending the military to conquer our own cities.
Ghyste@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 347d
Doubtful. Donnie only cares about Donnie.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -14 pts · 348d
Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -15 pts · 348d
Clearly the only issue that matters. Is this literally all you think about?
easybre_bb@lemmy.zip · 35 pts · 348d
This guy hates the constitution
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 348d
Clearly Trump hates traditional American values like the constitution, the separation of church and state, freedom of speech and habeas corpus. I guess he should be put on his own terrorism watch list
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 347d
He should be put on a scaffold with a trap door beneath his feet and a noose around his traitorous neck.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 347d
After a juried trial of the entire administration
duckworthy@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 347d
He’s looking for a weaker target that he thinks he can manipulate. He didn’t succeed in LA or Chicago or even DC. But he won’t succeed in Oregon either because the governors have banded together to share information and protect their citizens as much as they can. And because the people he has on the ground are incompetent. And the competent people have been unwilling to break the law for him. Most of the military and national guard are very unhappy with this stuff.
DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 347d
The time is riot now
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 347d
Needs to be a T-shirt
Kurious84@lemmings.world · 20 pts · 348d
So war against ourselves it seems.
Lodespawn@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 348d
America First? Wait .. America you better finally win one of these, I have no interest in my country being 2 through 100 and whatever ..
Lodespawn@aussie.zone · 19 pts · 348d
Wonder when the US military is going to move to defend the US constitution ..
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 14 pts · 348d
Never. Literally not gonna happen. Best you're going to get is some of them joining you when the civil war begins.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 348d
What a complete and total waste of money. Your money.
TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 347d
Hello Americans, this is fascism!! It’s right here!!
Juice@midwest.social · 13 pts · 347d
Really? Lets vote and consume about it
kingofras@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 348d
f1error@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 348d
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 9 pts · 348d
iAvicenna@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 348d
"Yes he is bad but he can't be as bad as Hitler"
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 347d
Hitler didn't chicken out of service during a war.
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 348d
I'm a PATRIOT and I Voted for Trump because I Wanted to go to WAR With AMERICA!
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 348d
I know it's a joke, but some of them think they're doing exactly that. The propaganda machine has them convinced that they're the real Americans and everybody left of them (which is basically everybody but other MAGA) are anti-American, Antifa, terrorist, communists.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 347d
Well those (urbans) really had it comin'!
switcheroo@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 347d
Portland just recently broke the top 50 list of the safest cities in the US.
And of course it is a blue state and Portland is known to be extremely liberal.
Fuck you and fuck off fascists
queueBenSis@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 347d
adding a source to support this claim: https://wallethub.com/edu/safest-cities-in-america/41926
Portland ranked 9th in 2024
UnrepentantAlgebra@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 347d
Portland OR is 118 on that list? I assume you're not talking about Portland ME.
queueBenSis@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 347d
ooof my bad. thanks for pointing out
shittydwarf@piefed.social · 12 pts · 348d
To get the Trump/Epstein files?
BlueEther@no.lastname.nz · 12 pts · 348d
When can we start to enact economic sanctions against the US, any smaller state and there would have been repercussions for either the leadership or the country in general.
chiocciola@lemmy.cafe · 8 pts · 348d
I think the better solution is to remove those agents from the state. I’d prefer it be from existence, but will settle for geographical relocation.
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 348d
Traitor lunatics really do seem to believe that decent people live in war zones and burned entire cities to the ground.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 348d
I still don't know if trump realizes how Hitler died.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 4 pts · 348d
Didn't it take the Allies marching on Berlin for that to happen? Why would Trump have to worry about that?
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 348d
How old was Hitler when that happened?
Edit: Looks like he was 56 and trump is 79. You're probably right, the hamberders will get him first.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 4 pts · 348d
I meant in the sense that pigs would have to fly before a foreign army marched on DC, but yeah that too.
F_State@midwest.social · 8 pts · 348d
The only "pushback" from the Mayor or Governor that I'll respect is if Police arrest National Guardsmen who break the law (it's inevitable they'll break the law). Otherwise, they're cowards at best and complicit at worse.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 348d
Sounds like he's already preparing to say the city was already ravaged before he sent the military in.
peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 348d
Somebody should do it.
einlander@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 348d
Hopefully we are reaching a point where the military just says no.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 348d
Won't be "war ravaged" until his goons get there and the locals kick them back out
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 347d
He needs to send troops to change his war ravaged poopy diaper
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 348d
Bring it, fucker!
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 348d
Has he been watching twisted metal and the last of us and he thinks they’re real?
blarth@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 348d
Don’t take the bait, PDX!
TheMadCodger@piefed.social · 6 pts · 348d
That's what our mayor literally came out and said.
F_State@midwest.social · 2 pts · 348d
I hope Portland gives any illegally deployed military units in their city hell.
blarth@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 348d
The very best thing Portland can do is leave them be. Let them stand around aimlessly. Taking the bait and engaging with them will only provide the Fox News crowd with validation. It will further trump’s goal of drawing the us into civil war so he can truly become king.
halferect@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 348d
I agree but fox is gonna spin it the way they want no matter what. I bet some troop is gonna trip on a curb and fall over unharmed while noone is around but fox will show a super edited clip saying" antifa has attacked our soldiers!!!" "War on the streets of Portland with antifa!!!!"
blarth@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 347d
The viewers capable of critical thought (admittedly the probability is low) will hopefully see through it. They’re not getting their Pearl Harbor moment in Portland.
F_State@midwest.social · 3 pts · 348d
The slow decent into fascism helps them, not the rest of us.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 348d
Normalizing their presence is absolutely not the “best” thing they could do.
blarth@thelemmy.club · 0 pts · 348d
You aren’t going to do shit, so don’t try to provoke others into doing shit.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 348d
You’re following the script perfectly. Clown.
blarth@thelemmy.club · 0 pts · 347d
Likewise. Keep trying, comrade.
CircaV@lemmy.ca · -6 pts · 348d
Aaaaand Americans just lying down and taking it.
CircaV@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 347d
Keep telling yourselves that yanks. How’s the resistance to Trump going?? Well?