It's a slow trickle. It's like the research that was done into gambling addicts. The majority of dopamine doesn't come from winning. The majority of it comes from the anticipation. Or in our case. Writing out a long comment that no one else will read.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that means you're unlikely to become addicted. You've course-corrected mid-post and now you're anticipating that the argument will be futile. A dopamine fiend would forge ahead hoping for some great win.
I know I was being flippant. What I mean is, the few (several...) times I've gotten into internet arguments I am always drained and unhappy and profoundly do not want to do it anymore, even if I am arguing over sincerely held beliefs. I guess I can see why trolling can be addictive, eliciting engagement is a kind of power over people, and power is addictive. And arguing over things I don't care about probably takes a lot less emotional investment than things I do care about... I feel like I'm talking myself into being an internet troll. Still though, seems like a miserable way to get your rocks off :/
Yeah, typically when someone is trolling, they're doing it just to piss off the other person. Like, Bugs Bunny doesn't get worn out from torturing Elmer Fudd.
He stays bright and chipper and sassy the whole time while Elmer Fudd edges closer and closer to the aneurysm that will finally send him to hell.
It's because the only dog he has in the fight is you
Not all dopamine is created equal. Staring at your phone, bickering, empty calories, overeating, drinking, trolling on the internet, porn - all garbage dopamine sources, can feel good very briefly and will lead quickly to downward spirals.
You want to be seeking positive sources of dopamine that relate to an overarching life mission. ADHD is a life of extremes, but I believe you can learn to choose extreme positives.
Wrong.. we are 100% arguing right now... Idk what you r on about! We can fix things if we can be truthful with ourselves... let's walk this path together, stranger.
This is clearly not an argument, if it was we would be disagreeing and saying weird things to make ourselves look smart. Get a hold of yourself, jeez . . .
If you were really so smart you would know that there is no way this can be an argument. Clearly I'm smarter than you and all the evidence points to me being right because I'm so smart. Not an argument, buddy
I think increased screen time has contributed to more people developing symptoms of adhd. If we'd just go out and get a life, we'd be able to focus more long-attention span on things.
The point I'm making is that you hear a lot about ADHD online because people with ADHD have a tendency to spend a lot of time posting things online. The normies don't have to be terminally online to get a dopamine boost like we do.
Yes, Snake, Dopamine. cue black & white montage Back in the late 20th centurt we started understanding that people with ADHD have a deficienty in Dopamine, causing lack of motivation.end montage
I have been very pleased recently because I started shit in a sub. The post was all about some guy who stacked a bunch of modems to download a file at half a megabit per second (your home internet is probably 1000x that speed).
I said it was a stupid and pointless waste of time. Nobody agreed and that little seed has produced a LOT of sweet delicious argument fruit. Funny what'll get people's goat. I didn't start out with a battle in mind but I'm feeling pretty smug about the whole thing.
Lol!!! I saw your comment, wrote something to get shit stirring at a bit higher pace, and pressed cancel. I don't have the mental capacity at the moment for the shit I was about to send in every direction hahahahaha!!! But I thoroughly enjoyed the shit that you threw about
That’s the beauty of it, you can just post that, and then let others sling shit at each other. I do it to my friends who like to argue about politics a lot. Start a conversation that I know is gonna cause them to bicker, and then step away and watch the fireworks while eating popcorn.
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Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 71 pts · 352d
Pffff. This person is clearly incorrect about many aspects of this 🙄
Turret3857@infosec.pub · 35 pts · 352d
Source? Peer reviewed source? I think theyre Correct as this has happened to ME. are you denying my experiences?
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 352d
Your opinion is bad, and you should feel bad!
thadah@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 352d
Come on, no need to fight, everyone knows you're both wrong!
Zozano@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 351d
Actually, I'm convinced they're both right.
Ulvain@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 352d
Lol i just went to the comments to reply "yeah? Well i disagree!" To op's post - now i feel seen 😂
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 352d
Do you, though? I beg to differ.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 352d
I ain't seen shit bromigo
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 351d
Is this a fusion of bro amd gringo?
Kinda dig that.
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 351d
I'd suspect amigo over gringo, but maybe.
edit: shit, I wasn't vehement enough to get dopamine!
oddlyqueer@lemmy.ml · 34 pts · 352d
Well this is bullshit I have ADHD where the heck is all the dopamine?
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 352d
It's a slow trickle. It's like the research that was done into gambling addicts. The majority of dopamine doesn't come from winning. The majority of it comes from the anticipation. Or in our case. Writing out a long comment that no one else will read.
baldingpudenda@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 352d
Is THAT why I write a long response and then just delete instead of sending my reply?
cazssiew@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 352d
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that means you're unlikely to become addicted. You've course-corrected mid-post and now you're anticipating that the argument will be futile. A dopamine fiend would forge ahead hoping for some great win.
littlewonder@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 351d
That's just anxiety coming to the party.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 352d
It doesn't mean you feel euphoric. It's more like a reinforcement. -an addiction.
oddlyqueer@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 352d
I know I was being flippant. What I mean is, the few (several...) times I've gotten into internet arguments I am always drained and unhappy and profoundly do not want to do it anymore, even if I am arguing over sincerely held beliefs. I guess I can see why trolling can be addictive, eliciting engagement is a kind of power over people, and power is addictive. And arguing over things I don't care about probably takes a lot less emotional investment than things I do care about... I feel like I'm talking myself into being an internet troll. Still though, seems like a miserable way to get your rocks off :/
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 352d
Yeah, typically when someone is trolling, they're doing it just to piss off the other person. Like, Bugs Bunny doesn't get worn out from torturing Elmer Fudd.
He stays bright and chipper and sassy the whole time while Elmer Fudd edges closer and closer to the aneurysm that will finally send him to hell.
It's because the only dog he has in the fight is you
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 345d
can@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 352d
I get a bigger kick by being helpful and sharing relevant content.
Donkter@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 352d
I helpfully tell people why they're misinformed cause I think learning is for everyone.
nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 352d
I'm bored. There's nothing to do here on this based opinion piece.
Rooster326@programming.dev · 2 pts · 352d
We get it bruv, you win, you're definitely the most helpful rolls eyes
can@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 352d
...I try my best
Whether that amounts to anything is still up to debate.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 352d
Yesssssss then we get to debate
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 351d
I've just been blasting off whatever I'm thinking in order to get Lemmy's numbers up.
can@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 351d
Oh man me too. Especially that first year.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 352d
yakko@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 351d
If you don't get it, I'm genuinely envious. Anger and using wit cruelly can be addictive
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 351d
yakko@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 351d
Not all dopamine is created equal. Staring at your phone, bickering, empty calories, overeating, drinking, trolling on the internet, porn - all garbage dopamine sources, can feel good very briefly and will lead quickly to downward spirals.
You want to be seeking positive sources of dopamine that relate to an overarching life mission. ADHD is a life of extremes, but I believe you can learn to choose extreme positives.
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 351d
Laughing at sad attempts at cruelty is so much more satisfying.
yakko@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 351d
Biting wit used to not be so rare, it's true. If you want any you'll have to come back later, I'm taking the high road just now.
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 350d
Nah. I wasn't even trying to be witty there, just honest. The high-road seems pretty treacherous from my prefered vantage points.
MTK@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 351d
Low risk high tension social interaction with an ego pushing you to show off = easy dopamine
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 351d
Idk? Why does mod involvement taste like a spicy desert? Sadly I don't write the rules. I'm just in here looking for easter eggs.
themaninblack@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 351d
I wonder if ADHDers are more likely to be Fox News viewers for this reason
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 350d
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 17 pts · 352d
Goddamn it.
phoenixarise@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 352d
fuck. 🤦🏽♀️
Panamania@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 352d
Umm, yeah, actually I definitely don't argue with people online
Soktopraegaeawayok@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 352d
Yeah, you do. We're arguing right now!
Panamania@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 351d
No, we're not arguing. Idk what ur on about . . .
Soktopraegaeawayok@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 351d
Wrong.. we are 100% arguing right now... Idk what you r on about! We can fix things if we can be truthful with ourselves... let's walk this path together, stranger.
Panamania@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 351d
This is clearly not an argument, if it was we would be disagreeing and saying weird things to make ourselves look smart. Get a hold of yourself, jeez . . .
Soktopraegaeawayok@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 350d
😉
Panamania@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 350d
If you were really so smart you would know that there is no way this can be an argument. Clearly I'm smarter than you and all the evidence points to me being right because I'm so smart. Not an argument, buddy
Soktopraegaeawayok@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 350d
How about this, can you interpret what my handle means? What it translates to?
Hint: it'll be offensive to some, and if the mods understood it, they would probably ban this account.
If you figure it out I will concede and admit that you have bested me and are my intellectual superior. (Its not even difficult anyway)
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 351d
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 352d
So literally everyone has adhd now. Got it
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 352d
I think increased screen time has contributed to more people developing symptoms of adhd. If we'd just go out and get a life, we'd be able to focus more long-attention span on things.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 351d
It's the Live Internet Theory. Everything you're reading is the sock puppets of one hyperfocused person getting all the dopamine.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 352d
If you just look at people arguing into the void online sure lol
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 352d
Nah, just the cool kids. Welcome.
Psythik@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 352d
The girlfriend doesn't have it, and she hates debating/arguing. She also doesn't post things online.
I'll give you a minute to figure out the point I'm making.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 351d
She's hot?
Psythik@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 351d
The point I'm making is that you hear a lot about ADHD online because people with ADHD have a tendency to spend a lot of time posting things online. The normies don't have to be terminally online to get a dopamine boost like we do.
dumbass@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 352d
And people think I have an issue when I say " I gotta go start a random disagreement online with someone to feel better", I don't care if I lose.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 352d
...you do have an issue. But you're not alone! Lol that's something
dumbass@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 352d
Well yeah, I have a plethora of them, but this isn't one.
christian@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 351d
Often when I upset strangers online I feel bad and log out for a few months.
drspawndisaster@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 352d
Dopamine???
Tortellinius@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 352d
Yes, Snake, Dopamine. cue black & white montage Back in the late 20th centurt we started understanding that people with ADHD have a deficienty in Dopamine, causing lack of motivation.end montage
Psythik@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 352d
Oh I see what they did there now, thanks to you.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 351d
That is one reason why i love arguing
MiDaBa@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 350d
Dude, for sure you do NOT love arguing. I don't even think you like it. Just quietly accept that you're wrong.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 350d
I do!! I also just like taking with people about things!
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 350d
That explains why I get antsy when I havent been online for a while. I cant argue with people endlessly in real life. Nobody likes that guy.
can@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 350d
nobody likes that guy online either
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 350d
I mean sure, but i dont know you.
can@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 349d
I don't like me either
Leg@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 350d
Yeah, but who cares about online opinions?
can@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 349d
Too many people.
SalamenceFury@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 352d
Oh.
pohart@programming.dev · 2 pts · 351d
Why would you post this? you don't even really have adhd
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 350d
This is most of why I'm on lemmy, got banned from reddit for the same lol
blargh513@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 352d
I have been very pleased recently because I started shit in a sub. The post was all about some guy who stacked a bunch of modems to download a file at half a megabit per second (your home internet is probably 1000x that speed).
I said it was a stupid and pointless waste of time. Nobody agreed and that little seed has produced a LOT of sweet delicious argument fruit. Funny what'll get people's goat. I didn't start out with a battle in mind but I'm feeling pretty smug about the whole thing.
Now I get trolling.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 352d
Lol!!! I saw your comment, wrote something to get shit stirring at a bit higher pace, and pressed cancel. I don't have the mental capacity at the moment for the shit I was about to send in every direction hahahahaha!!! But I thoroughly enjoyed the shit that you threw about
fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net · 2 pts · 352d
That’s the beauty of it, you can just post that, and then let others sling shit at each other. I do it to my friends who like to argue about politics a lot. Start a conversation that I know is gonna cause them to bicker, and then step away and watch the fireworks while eating popcorn.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 352d
I couldn't quite word it just right for my liking (I don't have ocd, you have ocd), and was lacking mental power to get it right lol
blargh513@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 352d
If we can't have some fun flinging poo, what is the point of being here?
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · -1 pts · 352d
Dang right!! Lol!
sirico@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 350d
I was diagnosed by Dr Mirror
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · 1 pts · 352d
Same.