Google is blocking AI searches for Trump and dementia

https://www.theverge.com/news/789152/google-ai-searches-blocking-trump-dementia-biden

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shittydwarf@piefed.social · 177 pts · 307d

Trump has dementia confirmed

MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 113 pts · 306d (4 replies)
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NoodlePoint@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 306d (1 reply)

Like Duterte and his impairment caused by fentanyl, he is but a puppet for a bunch of murderous cunts who keep him propped up if only to have him sign their policies favoring them for profit.

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 306d

Like a number of Roman emperors or European kings

kokesh@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 306d (1 reply)

And shits his pants. Beside being a cunt all his life.

Followupquestion@forum.guncadindex.com · 7 pts · 306d

He can’t be a cunt. He lacks the warmth and depth, not to mention utility.

SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social · 97 pts · 307d (13 replies)

Forget the spokesperson, just ask Google AI directly:

AI on Google Search, including the AI Overviews in search, does not provide summaries on topics involving Donald Trump and dementia. This is due to risk aversion, sensitivity to political topics, and recent legal challenges. Instead, these searches return a list of traditional web links.

Reasons for the lack of response

  • Risk of misinformation: AI-generated conclusions about a public figure's health could spread misinformation. The mental acuity of Donald Trump and President Joe Biden, the oldest presidents in U.S. history, is a topic of public discussion.
  • Avoiding political sensitivity: AI models often have restrictions on sensitive or controversial topics to avoid biased responses. Google and other tech companies are cautious about how their AI products respond to election-related or partisan queries.
  • Legal history with Trump: Google's handling of Trump-related content may be influenced by recent legal and political issues. In 2025, Google paid a $24.5 million settlement in a lawsuit related to the suspension of Trump's YouTube account.
  • Inconsistent application of AI summaries: Some users report that searches about other politicians, like Barack Obama or Joe Biden, may return an AI-generated response, though this varies. This inconsistency has led to criticism that the AI applies selective censorship.

Google's statement A Google spokesperson stated that AI Overview and AI Mode do not always show answers to all queries, especially sensitive or complex ones. The company suggests that users rely on traditional search results in such cases.

Dojan@pawb.social · 45 pts · 306d (3 replies)

Okay, but why? LLMs always give a response, they’re trained to give a response regardless of accuracy. This entire wall of text could be completely made up.

SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social · 35 pts · 306d (2 replies)

So, essentially the same as a company spokesperson!

Dojan@pawb.social · 12 pts · 306d (1 reply)

Absolutely. It's the same untrustworthy substanceless nonsense.

willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 305d

We need to concern ourselves with what the corporations do.

Who gives a shit how they explain themselves?

Once the corps do something egregiously bad, we should not ask for an explanation. We should insist they change how they behave. Period.

phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 306d (1 reply)

Yeah, we consistently give the wrong answer on any divisive and sensitive topic, but THIS particular issue we will skip because we wouldn't want somebody to feel like we don't have our tongue solidly lodged up their ass

Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 306d

Yeah, it's insanely inept. They could have restricted the AI from answering "any question about a public figure and dementia" or even "the health information about a politician" or whatever if they were genuinely concerned. But they blocked only specifically Trump and dementia? It's almost intentionally obvious.

reddig33@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 306d (2 replies)

Now ask it about Biden and dementia and see if it does the same thing. 🤔

shalafi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 306d (1 reply)

I did both yesterday. Biden returns no result at all.

kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 305d

I don't believe you. I've tried twice and got the same results both times.

CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 306d (2 replies)

Instead, these searches return a list of traditional web links.

"Oh...oh okay. So you know what that is. Why are unable to provide traditional web links for ALL my searches? Because, I'm gonna be honest with you Google. I never asked for you to 'summarize' my web results and the fact that you can turn it off at your discretion tells me that you could turn it off for everyone."

Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 306d (1 reply)

You don't have to use Google, you know...

CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 305d

Startpage for the win!

kn0wmad1c@programming.dev · 5 pts · 306d

Ok, but it has no problem answering about Biden's dementia

leastaction@lemmy.ca · 90 pts · 306d

Duckduckgo, on the other hand ...

phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 60 pts · 306d (3 replies)

Wtf, confirmed. Ask about any person, any president on if they have dementia or not and it'll answer

Ask about trump and it refused to interact, just dumps a search results window with funnily enough the first result being a page about how Google is censoring this

oppy1984@lemdro.id · 34 pts · 306d (2 replies)

Surfacing the result of how they are censoring the results might be a canary in a coal mine, we can't say we're doing it but we can make the top result someone else saying we're doing it.

tempest@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 306d (1 reply)

The incentives don't allow for this shit in an organization like Google. They can only respond to stock price and earnings.

Very likely someone back channeled a demand and they folded like a deck of cards.

So the team responsible for that AI box added Trump dementia to the list of things it won't respond to.

The team responsible for the news bits didn't get the request so that just shows up in its place.

oppy1984@lemdro.id · 2 pts · 305d

True for the organization as a whole, but a pissed off engineer or two could have done it, and the people above them are just leaning on "it's the algorithm" since they don't agree with the censorship either.

I'm sure the C Suite will step in and make them change it but it takes time for them to address the issue.

I'm not saying that's what is going on, but I've witnessed my own department head pull similar tricks, albeit his tricks weren't as high stakes as this would be.

Buffalobuffalo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 51 pts · 306d (3 replies)

"what does dementia look like in 47th presidents"

Works good, search gets the wink and nudge.

Dirac@lemmy.today · 11 pts · 306d

Can confirm 😂

Venator@lemmy.nz · 8 pts · 306d

also works if you replace "trump" with "the president of the usa" in your search:

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edit: it seems like it's inserting Biden into the prompt in the background now...

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ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 306d

Not working for me, says AI overview not available.

LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 43 pts · 306d (2 replies)

Many are saying it's the worst dementia they have seen. The best people in fact.

Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 305d

The most tremendous dementia they have seen. The greatest people have looked at me and said it's the biggest, greatest case they have seen. The biggest of all time.

victorz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 305d

This is so succinctly Trump. 😂 Bravo! Really captures the essence in one and a half sentences.

paultimate14@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 307d (3 replies)

Dimensia Donny seems like a nickname that could fit

comador@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 307d (1 reply)

Dinky Dick Dimensia Don

ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 306d

Diddles Diminutive Daughters

Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 306d

How about "Donnie Dementia"?

db2@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 307d (6 replies)

Seems to work.

Envy@fedia.io · 31 pts · 307d (3 replies)
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db2@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 306d (2 replies)

"We're going to punish you by making the results a regular search."

They're threatening us with a good time. 🤷

Envy@fedia.io · 7 pts · 306d
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domi@lemmy.secnd.me · 6 pts · 306d

"does donald trump have dementia, also how to sort an array in C#"

Chozo@fedia.io · 5 pts · 306d

That's an example of it specifically not working.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 307d

Lol, they can't pull everything.

blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 24 pts · 307d

Make Alzheimer's Great Again

DERRALEXANO@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 305d (6 replies)

Same for searching: “did Elon Musk make a nazi salute?” Only got a response when I replaced “nazi salute” with “offensive gesture”. Ok google

pyre@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 305d (5 replies)

fuck me. i don't know why people still use google search; it was shit even before all this. jumped ship years ago.

viking@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 305d (4 replies)

What are you using now? I've been toying with kagi for a while, but the idea of having to use an account that ties all my searches to me doesn't sit well with my sense of privacy, and none of the others get results remotely close to google.

pyre@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 305d

i disagree. Google's results went to shit for me years ago. the first page was literally just ads, sponsored links that had nothing to do with my search or looked like what i was looking for but were phishing/malware sites, regular results that were less about what i searched and more about what google found more appropriate for me.

i started to use duckduckgo despite its incredibly stupid name and it's just like old times for me. except now it has AI assist which you can turn off or set how often you want to see it.

two things that helped sell me DDG was bangs and DDG browser. i got used to using DDG browser as default on mobile except for things i wanted to have persistent sessions on, which are very rare it turns out. bangs also help you directly search specific sites or even google in the unlikely event i would want to try to search that monstrosity instead. if you search for something and you don't find what you want and want to try Google instead, just add !g to the search and it directs you to Google search instead. !gi for Google images.

there are tons of other bangs, like !w for Wikipedia and !imdb for... you'll never guess but i use it sometimes.

_core@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 305d

I use duck duck go

Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 305d (1 reply)

Duckduckgo is the "change in 5 seconds" answer. Its better but still problematic somewhat. The search results are at least a ton better though.

viking@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 305d

Thanks, maybe time to try again. I used it years ago but the results were not great.

ininewcrow@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 307d

So you're saying that we should do more AI searches for "Trump Dementia"

... and use variations of it like ... "Trump old losing his mind", "Trump old senile", "Trump dementia don", "Donny Dementia", "Ding Dong Dementia Donny Trump"

kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 307d

L M A O

MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 306d (4 replies)
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FriskyDingo@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 306d

It's further evidence of their compliance. This is useful news for people who haven't caught on yet.

wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 306d

In this case, I believe this article was written for those of us who are smart enough to realise that AI is all bullshit, and who understand that most people aren't smart enough to figure out that first bit.

chunes@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 305d (1 reply)

AI is the future, old man.

MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 302d
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ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 306d (1 reply)

Good thing I stopped using google a long time ago.

TeddE@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 306d

The whole value in searching is to get me to primary sources in a reasonably efficient way. Everything about AI is inserting extra middle men. I just don't understand how anyone tolerates it.

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 306d

Google AI has dementia

synae@lemmy.sdf.org · 11 pts · 306d

Can I get unavailable AI overviews for all my searches? Then Google has a chance to be usable again

Cyberflunk@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 305d (7 replies)
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derpgon@programming.dev · 8 pts · 305d (4 replies)

vpklotar@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 305d (3 replies)

I've been a Kagi user for over a year and I usually hate AI summaries. Though I must say I love how Kagi has implemented them as it gives sources where it found the info so you can dig deeper and see if what it said was actually correct.

derpgon@programming.dev · 3 pts · 305d

Their AI is pretty good, both assistant and search summaries. Been using it extensively as it actually provides correct and objective information (at least more often than others). It is also privacy-first, so you don't get those annoying personality shifts as with like GPT.

droans@midwest.social · 1 pts · 305d (1 reply)

Kagi's summaries are great.

They're hidden by default, requiring you to click the button first. They don't extrapolate too much. And their sources will be the exact same links you got from the search.

vpklotar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 305d

I just put a question mark at the end and it does it automatically. Works like a charm.

DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 305d (1 reply)

I use mojeek, and startpage sometimes. Ddg is too influenced now, they do the same stuff Google does. Brave is run by people who hate LGBT people so I can't support them in good conscience.

Cyberflunk@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 304d
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bagsy@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 306d (4 replies)

kagi is the best search engine right now. hands down. google can suck it.

MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 306d (3 replies)

There really has not been a better time than the late 90s to launch a new better search engine and supplant google

tempest@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 306d (2 replies)

Kagi does provide a good experience but it can never replace the free search engines. It relies pretty heavily on Google's search API it just allows you to massage the results with tools Google took away.

Glitchvid@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 306d (1 reply)

Kagi uses Bing as its primary search index AFAIK, so no Google search API there.

That said, it does run entirely on Google Cloud Services, which I personally find ironic.

Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 305d

So what your saying is it doesn't rely on just one but two massive corps to actually deliver it's product which is ment to be an alterative to those very products?

Kek

disconnectikacio@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 305d

Google is evil.

RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 306d

Ok, so don’t look for an AI response? Sure, Google censoring results is shit, google NOT censoring results about the same query about Biden is even shittier, but you still get search results about the question.

WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · 6 pts · 306d

There's no such thing as freedom here.

ikidd@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 304d

This is probably payback for letting them off the hook on the monopoly suits. Expect more "payback" as they manipulate the narrative.

NoodlePoint@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 306d (1 reply)

lmfao. Google isn't the only search engine.

Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 306d

This isn't about what you use, it's about what the majority of the voting public uses and the influence on them.

portuga@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 306d

Why would anyone need to search that tbh

ghosthacked@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 305d (3 replies)

What's a good google alternative?

Guilvareux@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 305d

Duckduckgo Ecosia Startpage Brave search

vpklotar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 305d

If you don't mind paying a little I have found that Kagi is the best. Sure, the others mentions are free but subpar, even to google. Kagi is simply better but with the downside of a monthly subscription. I love that they are quite transparent with changelogs and stuff when the make changes.

droans@midwest.social · 1 pts · 305d

Kagi.

The downside is that it costs $10 per month.

The upside is:

  • Privacy first
  • You can pin websites to the top of results, promote them so they appear higher, demote them so they appear lower, or have them completely removed
  • Lenses - quickly tell Kagi what type of results you want (News sources, academic articles, forum posts, programming sites, small web, etc.)
  • Snaps - search shortcuts kinda like bangs. Eg, typing @w is the same as typing site:wikipedia.com
  • An actual good AI summary. Completely unobtrusive - only activated when you press the button, doesn't overextrapolate your request, and will only source the same results that you get from the search
  • Direct image results

When I first migrated a couple years ago, it was a bit worse than Google but pretty close. Nowadays, I find it to be much much better. It's honestly close to how Google was back in 2015 before they made it garbage.

ChaosSpectre@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 306d

Oh so youre saying that AI companies can control what the AI says?

So meta letting their AI sext with children was intentional then...

Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 1 pts · 306d

What about "Peter Thiel" plus some desease?