‘Death to Spotify’: the DIY movement to get artists and fans to quit the music app

They is also Mirlo which plan to federate

Looking at tidal, there doesn't appear to be a way to search for music? Am I losing it?

Edit: you have to login first. Honestly, bad first impression already.

Throwing out Stingray for people who often just need background music. Radio like music channels.

I set up a Funkwhale but tbh it is feature-poor

Which would you suggest as a selfhost alternative ?

I was literally one day away from jumping onto Tidal, but then they dropped Plex integration. 😕

Yup. I'm old-school, I like owning my music. Streaming platforms are notorious for dropping artists due to licensing/royalty disputes, and artists also pull their music from platforms for various reasons as well. I love my Sony NW-50, it's got room for thousands of tracks in lossless (FLAC) format, and you don't need an internet connection to listen (great for road trips).

It's a different mindset; you can still have a huge library, but you get to know your music, since you're not constantly getting random recommendations. I have a few albums that I've absolutely worn out, and it feels a little nostalgic in that way (anyone who grew up with CDs has that one album that you listened to 500 times in your car because you were too lazy to take it out).

Spotify's personalized stations kept me hooked for years but it was surprising how fast I got used to creating stations based on individual songs or artists in Apple Music, and eventually I do think I'm go back to having a music collection again, but it's going to take time out of my week to collect and organize music again... in my 40s time is no easy feat

I can't picture a service which beats Spotify in what they offer which isn't just the same business model but more ethical.

Discovering music for free is an enormous benefit, and the fact that Spotify has practically all mainstream music is nice. People often cite that one quote by Gabe Newell that is "Piracy is not an economic problem. It is a service problem", as a highlight for steam, but largely Spotify offers what consumers want in a way Netflix or Audible can't. They have everything you want and guide your discovery in even more, and as long as their encroaching enshittification doesn't undercut this service, they will continue to underpay artists and fund immoral activities.

The developer of Ultrakill, Hakita, said something which I've often thought about. "You should support indies if you can, but culture shouldn't exist only for those who can afford it. ULTRAKILL wouldn't exist if I hadn't had easy access to movies, music and games growing up. If you don't have money, you can support via word of mouth". There are plenty of independent things I financially support, particularly things I attend in person in the city I live in. I may spend £100 per month paying for art and entertainment all said and done, and when that's spent, I will pirate everything else.

I split a Spotify family plan between 6 friends, I think that's about £3.50 per month, and I pay for no other media services. With video, I run a jellyfin server with a "parent friendly" interface, so they can have "netflix with everything", which I have at my place too. I don't read that much any more, if it's physical I just go to the library and if it's an audiobook I'll just pirate it. The benefit here is that even if I'm on a reading binge, that's not even a book a week. With Spotify, I often pick something and play it via song radio, which is probably 50/50 music I know and new music. Sometimes I just stick albums on, but it's not like that's harder. If I had a locally hosted music repository that I'd "paid for", I could enjoy albums, but not as easily have a radio like discovery experience.

One day, a pirate tool may appear that rivals Spotify, but until that day, I can't see myself moving away from it.

Go to your local live music, drag shows, theatres, independent cinemas and libraries. Don't feel obligated to pay for any internet service.

Last.fm?

AOTY has algorithmic suggestions

Gnod

Pandora is still pretty good.

Im sorry, but I dont get this. Why do we need to be baby sat and have an algorithm tell us what to listen to?

Go to a record store. Get a couple unknown ones. Use internet radio. Surf bandcamp. Hell. Use YouTube if you want! I've never needed an algorithm to tell me about music. Its literally everywhere. Ask friend what they've been listening to. Be a human.

This isnt directed only at you, i just keep seeing this sentiment of " but my spotify tells me what music to like! "And its a little sad.

End of rant.

JackFM, runs a radio station 24x7, 365, on about 300 songs.

The real trick is making playlists that repeat properly. You need a couple of bangers and then a bunch of supporting stuff that was good, but isn't ear warm worthy, matching beats and genre then flow into the next selection set.

Try Tidal. At least it pays artists more and has better sound quality. Allegedly. The downside is that their catalogue is more messed up like albums from different same named artists grouped together.

Also it funds Google which is ... not ideal

I've been downloading FLAC (lossless), and when I transfer to my phone, I encode to Opus, which is supposed to have better sound quality than MP3 at comparable file sizes.

320 bitrate FTW!

My biggest gripe with Tidal is that their catalogue is a mess - albums from same named artists grouped together.

I'm using Qobuz. As I know they pay the most to the artist ($0.01873 vs $0.004 ). Qobuz Family costs 20,83€ per months and I think you get free access to a service which moves your Spotify playlists to qobuz.

I think that's the point of all this. It's currently way too cheap for the consumers. Adjusted for inflation from the 80s, an album would cost over $30 today. Each album. To get infinite music for $10 a month, yeah the artists are getting screwed.

Apple Music has a family plan, and it's cheaper than Spotify's, at least in Canada (16.99 vs 20.99).

Qobuz has a family plan too, a little more expensive than Apple's here but still cheaper than Spotify's.

Deezer? They still don't pay artists much, but I think it's still better than Spotify

I'm switching to Tidal, they have a family plan

I do it on Bandcamp.

Bandcamp, qobuz, amazon

I switched to deezer and it wasn't too painful.

In my experience, buying vinyl on Bandcamp comes with the digital versions pretty often. Check your account's purchase library.

Edit: Looked it up. The default is this way, digital is bundled in with a vinyl purchase unless an Artist opts out.

Its not fast, but physical media does have the benefit of being able to be digitized

But how do you discover new things? I don't mind paying for music but not if I don't even know if I'm going to like it

So you pirate their work, giving them nothing, instead of using Spotify where they actually do get paid?

So you don’t really care about the artist, it’s just an excuse to justify piracy lol.

Dude just say you prefer to pirate. You don’t need to pretend to be doing it because of morals.

You have a bunch of mp3s? Just add them to an app that plays mp3s like Winamp

If you just want to play music locally without hassles, there are a slew of music apps that can do it for you, my personal favorite is Musicolet.

If you wanna get fancy you could always spin up your own music server with navidrome, and combine that with the android app Symfonium (what i currently do). If you don't like the idea of always streaming your music, for example if you have bad internet service outside your home, you can temporarily or permanently cache music to your phone.

Navidrome + any of a number of subsonic players

Bands? No or at least not all of them. Labels? Certain!