POV: You're a programmer

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balsoft@lemmy.ml · 102 pts · 286d (17 replies)

You gotta admit though, Haskell is crazy good for parsing and marshaling data

marcos@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 286d (11 replies)

Yes. I'm divided into "hum... 100 lines is larger than I expected" and "what did he mean 'from scratch'? did he write the parser combinators? if so, 100 lines is crazy small!"

But I'm settling in believing 80 of those lines are verbose type declarations.

balsoft@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 286d (1 reply)

You could probably write a very basic parser combinator library, enough to parse JSON, in 100 lines of Haskell

someacnt@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 286d

Judging by the Parser newtype, he did.

balsoft@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 285d (4 replies)

I decided to write it myself for fun. I decided that "From Scratch" means:

  • No parser libraries (parsec/happy/etc)
  • No using read from Prelude
  • No hacky meta-parsing

Here is what I came up with (using my favourite parsing method: parser combinators):

import Control.Monad ((>=>), replicateM)
import Control.Applicative (Alternative (..), asum, optional)
import Data.Maybe (fromMaybe)
import Data.Functor (($>))
import Data.List (singleton)
import Data.Map (Map, fromList)
import Data.Bifunctor (first, second)
import Data.Char (toLower, chr)

newtype Parser i o = Parser { parse :: i -> Maybe (i, o) } deriving (Functor)

instance Applicative (Parser i) where
  pure a = Parser $ \i -> Just (i, a)
  a <*> b = Parser $ parse a >=> \(i, f) -> second f <$> parse b i
instance Alternative (Parser i) where
  empty = Parser $ const Nothing
  a <|> b = Parser $ \i -> parse a i <|> parse b i
instance Monad (Parser i) where
  a >>= f = Parser $ parse a >=> \(i, b) -> parse (f b) i
instance Semigroup o => Semigroup (Parser i o) where
  a <> b = (<>) <$> a <*> b
instance Monoid o => Monoid (Parser i o) where
  mempty = pure mempty

type SParser = Parser String

charIf :: (a -> Bool) -> Parser [a] a
charIf cond = Parser $ \i -> case i of
  (x:xs) | cond x -> Just (xs, x)
  _ -> Nothing

char :: Eq a => a -> Parser [a] a
char c = charIf (== c)

one :: Parser i a -> Parser i [a]
one = fmap singleton

str :: Eq a => [a] -> Parser [a] [a]
str = mapM char

sepBy :: Parser i a -> Parser i b -> Parser i [a]
sepBy a b = (one a <> many (b *> a)) <|> mempty

data Decimal = Decimal { mantissa :: Integer, exponent :: Int } deriving Show

data JSON = Object (Map String JSON) | Array [JSON] | Bool Bool | Number Decimal | String String | Null deriving Show

whitespace :: SParser String
whitespace = many $ asum $ map char [' ', '\t', '\r', '\n']

digit :: Int -> SParser Int
digit base = asum $ take base [asum [char c, char (toLower c)] $> n | (c, n) <- zip (['0'..'9'] <> ['A'..'Z']) [0..]]

collectDigits :: Int -> [Int] -> Integer
collectDigits base = foldl (\acc x -> acc * fromIntegral base + fromIntegral x) 0

unsignedInteger :: SParser Integer
unsignedInteger = collectDigits 10 <$> some (digit 10)

integer :: SParser Integer
integer = asum [char '-' $> (-1), char '+' $> 1, str "" $> 1] >>= \sign -> (sign *) <$> unsignedInteger

-- This is the ceil of the log10 and also very inefficient
log10 :: Integer -> Int
log10 n
  | n < 1 = 0
  | otherwise = 1 + log10 (n `div` 10)

jsonNumber :: SParser Decimal
jsonNumber = do
  whole <- integer
  fraction <- fromMaybe 0 <$> optional (str "." *> unsignedInteger)
  e <- fromIntegral . fromMaybe 0 <$> optional ((str "E" <|> str "e") *> integer)
  pure $ Decimal (whole * 10^log10 fraction + signum whole * fraction) (e - log10 fraction)

escapeChar :: SParser Char
escapeChar = char '\\'
  *> asum [
    str "'" $> '\'',
    str "\"" $> '"',
    str "\\" $> '\\',
    str "n" $> '\n',
    str "r" $> '\r',
    str "t" $> '\t',
    str "b" $> '\b',
    str "f" $> '\f',
    str "u" *> (chr . fromIntegral . collectDigits 16 <$> replicateM 4 (digit 16))
  ]

jsonString :: SParser String
jsonString =
  char '"'
  *> many (asum [charIf (\c -> c /= '"' && c /= '\\'), escapeChar])
  <* char '"'

jsonObjectPair :: SParser (String, JSON)
jsonObjectPair = (,) <$> (whitespace *> jsonString <* whitespace <* char ':') <*> json

json :: SParser JSON
json =
  whitespace *>
    asum [
      Object <$> fromList <$> (char '{' *> jsonObjectPair `sepBy` char ',' <* char '}'),
      Array <$> (char '[' *> json `sepBy` char ',' <* char ']'),
      Bool <$> asum [str "true" $> True, str "false" $> False],
      Number <$> jsonNumber,
      String <$> jsonString,
      Null <$ str "null"
    ]
    <* whitespace

main :: IO ()
main = interact $ show . parse json

This parses numbers as my own weird Decimal type, in order to preserve all information (converting to Double is lossy). I didn't bother implementing any methods on the Decimal, because there are other libraries that do that and we're just writing a parser.

It's also slow as hell but hey, that's naive implementations for you!

It ended up being 113 lines. I think I could reduce it a bit more if I was willing to sacrifice readability and/or just inline things instead of implementing stdlib typeclasses.

jerkface@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 285d (3 replies)

So, ARE you bringing a girl?

balsoft@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 285d (2 replies)

I'm not coming to my parents for this new year's because I might get arrested and/or sent to die in a war. But once Putin dies, yes, I am

jerkface@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 285d

So that's two things to look forward to!

cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 284d

Didn't know where you were talking about til you said Putin.

join@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 286d

With recursive list comprehensions you can cram quite some complexity into one line of code.

expr@programming.dev · 4 pts · 285d

Just looking at the image, yeah he's a little parser combinator library entirely from scratch.

Not sure what you mean by verbose type declarations. It looks to be 2 type declarations in a few lines of code (a newtype for the parser and a sum type to represent the different types of JSON values). It's really not much at all.

davidagain@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 285d

Haskell is succinct.

ultimate_worrier@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 209d
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hakunawazo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 285d

jenesaisquoi@feddit.org · 1 pts · 285d (3 replies)

serde has entered the chat

fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 285d (1 reply)

From Scratch (as much as I like Rust, it's very likely more verbose from scratch). Haskell is perfect for these kinds of things.

jenesaisquoi@feddit.org · 5 pts · 285d

I will concede that implementing the first version in Haskell would be better.

Mostly so that we can then fulfil the meme of reimplementing it in Rust!

balsoft@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 285d

Personally I'm more partial to nom. Serde is quite verbose and complex for a parser.

magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 84 pts · 286d (8 replies)

Jokes on her, I've transitioned since last Christmas.

Fisherswamp@programming.dev · 82 pts · 286d (2 replies)

You can still bring a girl though

magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 281d (1 reply)

Mission failed successfully: I'm bringing my enby instead and you can't stop me.

lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network · 1 pts · 276d

If your mum is not OK with this, can I be your adoptive parent?

chellomere@lemmy.world · 62 pts · 286d (4 replies)

I am the girl! Hmm, but maybe I'll bring another one too? 🤔

bhamlin@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 286d (3 replies)

The more the merrier!

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 285d (2 replies)

it's yuletide! everyone (except that person. they know what they did) is welcome and celebrated!

cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 284d (1 reply)

Not sorry

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 284d

when you burst into the wedding promising doom and death, we didn't kick you out because we didn't believe you, we kicked you out because we already knew. i mean, i'm involved let's be real.

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 80 pts · 286d (1 reply)

Who needs a girl when you have monads to keep you warm?

boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 20 pts · 286d

Or become a girl with gonads

tiramichu@sh.itjust.works · 63 pts · 285d (1 reply)

No mom, I'm gonna BE a girl for Christmas. puts on programming socks

Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 284d

That's 100% how I read it at first.

yetAnotherUser@lemmy.ca · 38 pts · 286d (2 replies)

You just need to find a girl that also likes Tsoding! Then, you can ask her "Hey, do you have plans for Christmas? I'd love it if we could do AoC (Advent of Code) in a language we both hate!"

Gumbyyy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 286d (1 reply)

Well shit, I've never seen AoC before - I'm not usually very interested in programming just for fun, but I might give that a try!

Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 285d

I only was shown it a few weeks ago so seeing it here was a bit of a shock

Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 37 pts · 285d (2 replies)
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ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 285d (1 reply)

Wouldn’t it hit the same as it would a straight male?

buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 285d

POV: Not all moms are accepting of their daughters being into girls.

lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 36 pts · 286d (23 replies)

There are far more male programmers... As a programmer, be gay or stay alone... Choose!

captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 286d (7 replies)

Oh that explains why my wife is gay

mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 285d (1 reply)

If she was around the same cs students as me then yeah

davidagain@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 285d

Ouch!

Agent641@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 285d (3 replies)

She sleeps with men, that's pretty gay

captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 285d

There are a lot of things she does but that aint one of them

MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 285d

Think you forgot to check their username before commenting that haha

cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 284d

Thats a hell of a way to find out.

cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 284d

And clearly it worked!

undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch · 25 pts · 285d (6 replies)

Can programmers only be with other programmers or am I missing something?

davidagain@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 285d (3 replies)

"JSON parser 100% from scratch in Haskell in 110 lines" doesn't get you horny? I guess some people are just wired differently.

undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch · 4 pts · 285d (2 replies)

I’m a programmer myself but my wife isn’t a programmer, that was my motivation for questioning.

davidagain@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 285d

Don't worry. I mean nothing but humour by it. I myself am married to a physicist who takes absolutely no interest whatsoever in programming, but can talk happily for ages about something weird they found.

cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 284d

Oh, is she, like, an EE or something? Maybe a web designer?

lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 11 pts · 285d

But you kind of have to leave the house for that... I mean... We talk about programmers....

/s

fibojoly@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 284d

Well yeah, obv. But not enough girls in computer science, so like the fishes, some of them magically turn into girls after a while.

ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 286d (5 replies)

There are those who transition, so a significant chunk of that male programmer population is "male" as in quotation marks, only that some transition earlier than others. Does not guarantee that you can get the transgender autistic puppygirl (or other variations) of your dreams, since many of them are lesbians.

But also feel free to look outside your field for a partner. It's okay to date an artist as a programmer.

rucksack@feddit.org · 8 pts · 285d (3 replies)

I think programmer should be seen as a gender itself.

I'm currently transitioning myself, already have a homeserver and a Linux PC, can't wait to be a real programmer.

lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org · 9 pts · 285d

I detransitioned from being a programmer and all I have is depression since, maybe I should retransission into being a programmer

shoki@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 285d (1 reply)

and gender confirmation would not be getting called sir/ma'am at the starbucks but people asking you for IT help?

cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 284d

Just slurs, shouted angrily and incoherently whike they blame you for all the shit that was designed (by someone else) to not work.

andioop@programming.dev · 3 pts · 283d

Feels weird reading this as the only single woman programmer in my friend group who likes men

daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 286d

It's not gay if I'm wearing programming socks.

psud@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 284d

It's odd in the Australian public service, with COBOL programmers. They've been in the job long enough that they started when the public service was the only employer who would employ women as programmers. I'm on the systems analyst side of the fence, the programmers I have worked with include a bit more than 60% women

I think all the programmers I know are married or gay or not interested. I think the gay ones are mostly married too.

RedSnt@feddit.dk · 27 pts · 286d (7 replies)

Prisoner of war?

gigastasio@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 286d (1 reply)
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massive_bereavement@fedia.io · 4 pts · 286d

Pupil of Women

whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 286d (4 replies)

not sure if it's sarcastic: point of view

AugustWest@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 286d

Title is edited

RedSnt@feddit.dk · 6 pts · 286d (2 replies)

I did consider taking a screenshot before the edit from POW to POV, but eh.

whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 285d (1 reply)

ohhhh, I'm stupid... because it made me think that POV had two meanings possible.... like... Prisoner Of Var.....

knexcar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 285d

Prisoner of Vore? Seems kinda hot

jerkface@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 285d

I don't think "programmer" fully captures the reality of being an emacs-based programmer.

MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 286d (2 replies)

NOTE: no proper error reporting

Add those few lines, will ya?

ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 286d (1 reply)

But that would break the 111 line rule.

MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 286d

There's a rule?

Not anymore.

smiletolerantly@awful.systems · 17 pts · 286d (3 replies)

Prisoner Of War:

ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 286d (2 replies)

There was no ESL moment in Ba Sing Se!

TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 286d (1 reply)

Eastern Sign Language?

ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 286d

English Second Language

FiskFisk33@startrek.website · 17 pts · 286d

I wouldn't trust a guy letting their battery go that low either

umbraroze@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 285d (1 reply)

I'm a girl. I'm not interested in Haskell, that's too frigging endofunctiorific. Erlang! That's what all the cool guys are doing.

ICastFist@programming.dev · 4 pts · 284d

What about going an extra step into Elixir?

gigachad@piefed.social · 11 pts · 286d (4 replies)

A JSON parser in Haskell, what a day to have eyes

expr@programming.dev · 1 pts · 285d (3 replies)

?

Haskell's incredibly good for writing parsers.

gigachad@piefed.social · 1 pts · 285d (2 replies)

But oh boy is it difficult. We started with Haskell in the first semester CS and it was a pain. Kudos to anyone seriously developing in Haskell.

expr@programming.dev · 3 pts · 285d (1 reply)

Eh, it's just different. Other languages are hard in other ways. Haskell's at least have very good reason behind them.

I write Haskell professionally and and am teaching to people without any experience, and it's really no different than anything else. Though I will say that my experience is that university professors are often pretty clueless about the language and don't teach it well.

gigachad@piefed.social · 3 pts · 285d

I think it's the paradigm change. Most people including myself learnt some kind of procedural language in school, shifting towards functional thinking is just very difficult. But of course that's a skill a computer scientist must have and one of the reasons I didn't graduate.

Kolanaki@pawb.social · 10 pts · 285d

He won't be done debugging her by then. She'll be ready for beta testing next year.

bestelbus22@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 285d

Hello everyone, and welcome to yet another recreational programming session with who?

edinbruh@feddit.it · 5 pts · 286d (1 reply)

If you are writing a parser in haskell just use Happy and get it over with

davidagain@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 285d

It's a parser for json. Import Aeson and derive one for your custom type in a single line!

mudkip@lemdro.id · 4 pts · 285d

Well, JSON is an easy format to parse. The spec can fit onto one page.

biggeoff@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 284d

Based Tsoding

goatinspace@feddit.org · 4 pts · 286d (1 reply)

AI girlfriend

psud@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 284d

If it scratches an itch. Mother probably wants grandchildren though

luciferofastora@feddit.org · 3 pts · 281d

Why is nobody commenting on the phone battery?