I just don’t feel comfortable building a robot army here, and then being ousted because of some asinine recommendations from ISS and Glass Lewis, who have no f**king clue. I mean those guys are corporate terrorists. Lemme explain the core problem here, so many of the passive funds vote along the lines of what ISS and Glass Lewis recommend. Now, they have made many terrible recommendations in the past that if those recommendations had been followed would have been extremely destructive to the future of the company. Now, If you’ve got passive funds that essentially defer responsibility for the vote to Glass Lewis and ISS, then you can have extremely disastrous consequences for a publicly traded company if too much of the publicly traded company is controlled by index funds. It’s de facto controlled by Glass Lewis and ISS. This is a fundamental problem for corporate governance, because they’re not voting along the lines that are actually good for shareholders. That’s the big issue, I mean, that’s what it comes down to. ISS Glass Lewis corporate terrorism. -Elon Musk, Tesla Q3 shareholder conference call, October 22, 2025
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wasabi@lemmy.world · 141 pts · 299d
Valmond@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 299d
I need full power because otherwise people will stop me!!
Yeah what a lame guy.
wasabi@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 299d
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 299d
To be fair, all that money is effectively fake until the shares are sold.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 58 pts · 299d
Banks lend him real money based on the fake money
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world · -17 pts · 299d
I count that in the sold category. Because they just get more loans to pay off the previous ones, or default and the bank just takes the shares and does it again because what the loaned is less than the share value. All the while avoiding income and capital gains taxes.
It's why boycotts and cancelling subscriptions actually do work when done in large enough numbers. Their money can disappear very quickly if shareholders get spooked.
It's also why Tesla isn't being affected as much now despite Elon pulling the mask off and going full Nazi, resulting in massive sales drops. Years and years of short sellers and complicit media trying to tank the brand, largely funded and promoted by things like entrenched oil interests and competing car brands have trained many shareholders to ignore a lot.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 299d
So how is that fake? I can't do any of those things you mention in the first paragraph.
Getting loans based on assets is not at all the same as selling those assets.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 298d
You're not rich enough where banks know you always have stock available to give them. Where there's virtually no limit to your stock pool that the bank can just liquidate after the fact. You need to be in the top .1% for that. The fact you're on lemmy means that's not a possibility in the slightest.
It is for the rich. That's why so many don't care about their traditional salary. That's why so many went out of their way to advertise they were taking a $1 salary during the recession, or even today. Because their salary is subject to income tax, but loans are not. You can get the same end result of cash in hand by receiving your pay in stock, then taking loans against that stock.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 298d
It's not the same though because they still hold the assets. If you sell, you do not hold assets anymore. Seems kind of self explanatory.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 299d
this is the most naive thing I've read on lemmy… blessed be your innocent mind my child
cyrano@piefed.social · 93 pts · 299d
Me too Elon, I'm not feeling comfortable with you building a robot army
HeartyOfGlass@piefed.social · 17 pts · 299d
"Robot army" from the guy who gave us the Cybertruck? I'm not worried.
whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 299d
I don't know, the point of the so-called self driving Tesla is to not kill you or other people, and it fails on that.
So they might be able to fail creating a deadly bot army, so you'll have armless bot on war fields and killer cars on your road
amos@mander.xyz · 68 pts · 299d
I just want this guy to die. Oh, I will be so happy when it happens.
And all the other ones as well.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 298d
halfapage@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 299d
db2@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 299d
Someone who looks pretty good for a dead bitch.
epik_kiwi@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 298d
insert 'I understood that reference' here Surely he won't let her get anything?
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 298d
When Elon dies, dozens of children will lose their father, but not a parent.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 298d
hes a negligent, absent father, he only cares about breeding to sire male children, because of his eugenics fetish. he doesnt care for them otherwise, remember the kid he was using as a human shield for a few months? where is he now.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 298d
He needs to Mathew Perry.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 62 pts · 298d
hey errr maybe the richest man in the world with nazi views should not have a robot army to begin with?
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 298d
Any day now Tesla is gonna be renamed Hyperion
beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org · 44 pts · 298d
But I was told that rich people like musk and Trump weren't swayed by money because they had enough... 😂
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 24 pts · 298d
Sociopathic Oligarchs have a serious form of OCD/ Hoarding Disorder, that makes them crave even more money, no matter how much they have.
If they were hoarding cats, or rusty cars, or old refrigerators, or piles of scrap metal, etc., the authorities would intervene, and get them help for their mental illness.
But if they are hoarding money on a historically mind-blowing scale, they call them a successful businessman, and give them government grants and tax breaks.
CandleTiger@programming.dev · 8 pts · 298d
This is a common misconception.
“The authorities” (USA viewpoint) are really extremely unlikely to intervene in any way at all with hoarding, and even more extremely unlikely to provide any kind of useful mental health intervention.
If the hoarding is causing a public safety hazard then the authorities may eventually start fining the hoarder until they do whatever is minimally required to clear the hazard.
Much much more likely, if the hoarder is renting, the landlord may evict them which is one of the many paths to homelessness.
But by far the most common outcome is that the authorities do nothing whatsoever to stop or help with harmful hoarding behavior.
In this way, crazy aunt Florence and Elon Musk are similar.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 297d
Perhaps, but it doesn't change the fact that these people have a very serious mental illness so massive that it literally affects the rest of the world. They must be dealt with properly, not encouraged to lean into their destructive mental illness by funding their follies with taxpayer money.
beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 297d
The kleptocracy in action.
aarRJaay@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 299d
Man who can't buld fully self driving cars wants to build a f@*king robot army? I'll pass. How about give him NO money so he can't afford to build them in the first place.
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 42 pts · 298d
This guy is so desperate to be called the first trillionaire, it's just really pathetic.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 298d
putin already beat him there, by stealing russia economy.
SW42@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 299d
dan1101@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 299d
I hope he doesn't start any trade federations and blockade Naboo.
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 298d
Jar Jar is our only hope.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 27 pts · 298d
I fucking hate this guy got off the hook. He fell out of the media so fast it makes me sick to think how complete the ruling class's power is.
dumbass@aussie.zone · 26 pts · 299d
I have a trillion dollars down in my basement you can have Elon.
Kissaki@feddit.org · 9 pts · 299d
He's on his way, but his car can't find its way
dumbass@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 299d
Fuck, better hide my ketamine then.
PartyAt15thAndSummit@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 298d
I keep mine at the angle grinder factory. How about you come and get it, Elon?
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 298d
LOL
Elmo Musk literally is not an engineer or even understands basic engineering. All the real world engineering done at his company is done by actual engineers
What is his part in all those processes at jos companies, you ask?
Lying.
Literally lying. Its the only talent that Mr. Elmo has. Its the one thing he constantly does, at levels comparable to Trump.
Most claims he makes about any of his companies products are just plain lies. Tesla full self driving? Not even close, and by now i wonder if they're actually capable of getting a Tesla off a parking lot without crashing it, let alone do a full cross country.
Same for SpaceX, where we definitely will go to Mars!never mind that reaching low earth orbit is about 1% of that task and he still can't do that without blowing up his starshits. Hey, at least they blew up a banana over the Indian ocean.
Wanna know what Elmo's contributions are?
Cyber truck.
Launching the car that was supposed to be for the founder of Tesla into low earth orbit just to he an asshole
The "idea" to use intercontinental ballistic rockets to transport people to the other side of the world "in 30 minutes". This one I really really really do want him to try because tickets are CEO only expensive and nothing would make me laugh more than a bunch of stealing assholes all paying a million or so to just blow up on the launchpad.
Talking about launchpads, remember that Florida launch with a starship with a boat load of engines that also
failedwas a complete success because "it left the launchpad" and anything beyond that was extras? Yeah, that launchpad was absolutely obliterated, cars parked various kilometers away got pelted by concrete debris, an ecological area got polluted, and the launchpad was left in rubble because Elmo decided that flame diverters, you know, those things used since like the sixties of the previous century really weren't necessary.That is of course keeping in mind that he US tax payer paid 3 billion to take the US to the moon and well, that too is about at 1-2% mission completed, there is nothing remotely ready.
Do I even have to mention Hyperloop? "Its just another air hockey table, its not that hard!"
Meanwhile he keeps asking Tesla for a trillion dollars as well, even though he just got a gold package from Tesla that was light the highest payout in human history, even though Tesla makes a fraction of the cars that large brands make, ans even though he sent the extremely overvalued company (overvalued thanks to his constant lying about aaaalll the great things that are right there ready, just around the corner if you only pay me more money!!) right of a cliff with his Nazi antics combined with the laughable Nazirustbucket he designed..
This is the guy asking for just a trillion dollar bro, I will make this work, bro! TRUST ME!
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 298d
You forgot to mention, that was was fired from PayPal(?) for being incompetent.
And the engineers he hires are either not that great, or (more likely) are having to play fast and loose due to unrealistic expectations. Like the original hyperloop demo that was setup years ago for a competition, instantly rusted and was secured poorly. It's since been destroyed.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 298d
Yeah, the PayPal one is so spot on.
He had a company that I guess was like CitySearch that no one ever heard of and managed to win a lottery of selling it to Compaq who thought they had to do something in this whole dotcom thing.
Then he founded 'x.com', a failure of an online bank while Paypal took off. Then, somehow, in the wake of being merged in he talked the company into letting him be in charge, despite his company pretty much the relative failure in that relationship, and he nearly tanked it before being kicked out. Despite this for a long time he got credit as 'the paypal guy', despite his only contribution being almost tanking it after losing to it initiallly in the market. Again, won the lottery because he had such a share and eBay tossed so much money at it.
He's supremely successful at taking credit from others when things work out.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 288d
Yeah he did, I thought I mentioned it but there is so much to say about this horrible man..
The Hyperloop thing was never ever going to work as even high schoolers could have seen the long list of practical issues with it, prohibiting it from ever getting even in the direction of being real. It's a fundamentally flawed project
Making a (partial) vacuum machine 3-4 meters in diameter and 600km long? Won't happen, we can't even do a fraction of a % for that
Having a 600km tube in the sun will move your endpoints around by hundreds of meters throughout the day due to the metal warming up and expanding
That same tube will also be warmed up more on the top than the bottom, causing that tube to try and warp itself into a circle
So you do have your 600km partial vacuum tube? Awesome, now how do you get that
podtrain in there, or how do you get the people into that train (or out of it) without breaking your vacuum?Even with a partial vacuum, when moving that train over 600km will cause a pressure buildup in front of it what will become a problem
This entire design is a terrorists wet dream. I need one rifle of sufficient force to puncture that metal tube and the next train that comes in will end up hitting a hammer.
And there is lots more but I will try hard not to make this post too crazy long
Meanwhile we could have had normal trains but without having a source for it, I do recall reading multiple times that musk didn't wanted trains because they'd compete with his shitty Tesla cars, and that being the reason why he whipped this up. So now over the past two decades, China has been building railways like there is no tomorrow and now has. Huge network of high speed rail while the US (and Canada, Mexico) have basically and practically nothing. But they have cars, yaaaaaayyyy...
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 298d
a well known fact is upper managment shields the employees and the company from Elons meddling in thier internal workings affairs. at least for spacex.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 297d
As far as they can, that is
That rocket launch that obliterated a launchpad was Elmo's meddling, for example
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 22 pts · 299d
Elon Musk in charge of a robot army?
I've seen this movie sooo many times, and it never ends well.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 20 pts · 298d
I had to check to see if I was eating an Onion. Turns out, Ol' ketamine fried Musky truly did say all of this.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 16 pts · 299d
Sounds like they are getting on with their plan of eradicating all but the 1%
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 298d
I hope he surrounds himself with these robots. Human bodyguards don't want to die.
tibi@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 298d
He has enough money to pay an actual army
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 298d
Apparently we don’t even need to pay the actual army. We can just revoke their paychecks and force them to keep working anyways. Nothing can go wrong with that, right?
shalafi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 298d
Not that he can start pulling out of overinflated Tesla stock before crashing it. He's worth billions, but nowhere near 500 of 'em.
architect@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 298d
He has enough idiots following him that will do it for free.
n3on_Navigat0r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 298d
Or even pay to do so.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 298d
Why this people never get cancer or horrible accidents?
ohlaph@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 297d
Best healthcare with constant screenings. Catching most or all things early keeps them alive where it would cost us a mortgage or more.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 298d
So he's basically Justin Hammer at this point.
cyrano@piefed.social · 8 pts · 298d
TBi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 298d
I don’t like this comparison. Hammer was actually competent.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 298d
Did you watch the film? None of his shit worked, and then it was hacked.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 298d
Why would you ever have any control whatsoever in the first place? Do other arms manufacturers have a control for their missiles?
oftenawake@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 299d
moonluna@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 299d
This martian wants to put chips in people's brain, and he wants a trillion dollars to make some future terminators. He better stfu and go to Mars.
db2@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 299d
Without a suit.
decipher_jeanne@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 299d
I need 1000 Bitcoin to control the totally real AGI you should be scared of. Like really real and scary. Just around the corner guys. And it says I need those 1000 Bitcoin to control it.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 299d
They succeeded in making "billion" the new million. Now, they're trying to make "trillion" the new billion."
MyOpinion@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 299d
Not one more penny to this monster.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 299d
Yeah, well according to the Tesla board, he'll get paid $1 trillion if he makes Tesla the best selling car on the planet earth.
Just do it with your own money, Elon. All you have to do is one thing to get it. C'mon, "I love Telser," right? Run with that and see what you get.
echodot@feddit.uk · 12 pts · 298d
Fortunately he isn't going to build a robot army. His cars can barely follow the road so I can't imagine his robots would present much in the way of of a threat, except quite possibly in the extent that they would stand on your foot although even then they'd probably fall over.
There has never been another individual who's ability and ego are so at odds
nosuchanon@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 299d
The man is insane.
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 298d
Why do they even need musk? It's not like he is lead engineer or chief of design.
utopiah@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 298d
Marketing and fund raising. Doesn't matter how much you, well we, hate him he's still genuinely excellent at it. Sure it's absolutely destructive to... literally everything except his bank account, but it works. Very annoying.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 297d
But is he actually particularly stand out at that or is he just leveraging his pre-existing family wealth and connections to do so? In another universe a lot of these people are deadend used car salesman types that no one takes seriously.
utopiah@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 297d
Oh he is absolutely pulling himself up from his bootstraps, his are just made out of emeralds.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 298d
He needs? Go pick yourself up by your bootstraps. Somehow I don’t think he means $1T of his own money.
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 299d
Fucking Ted Faro wannabe.
This is a real picture of Elon musk's dick.
db2@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 299d
Far too large.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 298d
This is so stupid. If he has an issue with shareholder control, he has the money to buy the fucking shares. Sure, he has to pay the inflated bullshit price, but he can do that. Buy it and make it private, Musk. Then you can do whatever the hell you want with it, but it'll be your money on the line. If you actually believe in the product than it should be fine, right?
jj4211@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 298d
Actually he doesn't. Most of his 'wealth' is Tesla shares already. Even if he could toss everything he has just toward controlling more of Tesla, and if the shareholders accepted it at current market value, he'd only have a third of the company.
Tesla is crazy over valued for a company that has only been able to be a car company that is in 14th place, yet assessed as being more valuable than all the 13 more successful car companies combined...
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 298d
Did you do the math including the shares he already owns? Anyway, he can take out loans with the shares as collateral to buy more shares. I'm pretty sure he could get back 50% control if he leverages his assets. If he actually believes what's he's saying, this is a reasonable move.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 298d
Yes. Musk's net worth including his stock is a bit shy of 500 billion, and Tesla market cap is about 1500 billion. His net worth includes all his assets that he could possibly leverage.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 297d
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 298d
And none of those shareholders vote along lines that are good for society. You're going to probably kill us all someday with some bullshit business decision or another, directly or otherwise.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 298d
Was there ever a hope that the customers buying the robots would control them?
MechaHitler controlled robot in my home or business is not a good marketing plan. Chinese companies are well ahead in robotics, and they have manufacturing customers, battery and motor research/leadership, lower bill of materials, plenty of AI skill. No reason to believe Tesla will be first or better.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 298d
When has Musk ever been first or better? he even botched his penis.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 298d
roadster and model 3/y were ahead of everything else when released.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 297d
Musk has nothing to do with either. The roadster was in production before he even bought into Tesla.
All the early Tesla engineers had left to start other companies. Everything since has been shit. The semi , the Cybertruck, the new roadster...
timhayes1991@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 299d
Just wait until you have to pay a subscription to be on the "friend" list
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · 9 pts · 298d
I learned some advisors at firms who usually follow Glass Lewis recommendations are taking unusual steps to request investor input specifically on Tesla. Apparently enough passive investors are dissatisfied enough to want a direct say on Tesla.
It was interesting to learn about shareholder voting.
Voting proposals from shareholders & their letters reveal great dissatisfaction with Tesla.
Major shareholders (investment groups, pension managers, state treasurers & comptrollers) wrote a scathing letter urging other shareholders to vote against directors up for re-election & to vote against proposals the company favors.
Their clarifications are interesting: they highlight issues with the conduct of the board & CEO
This SEC 14A filing lists all the proposals up for shareholder vote. A good number of shareholder proposals the board opposes concern board accountability to shareholders
The others concern better public reporting & oversight on senior executive pay & transparent audits on child labor dependence throughout the supply chain.
To promote an independent board of directors accountable to shareholders & to restore shareholder rights, I suspect Glass Lewis and ISS will vote against all board members & company-favored proposals and vote for all shareholder-favored proposals. Seems about right to follow their recommendations & oppose Musk on this.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 298d
A good chunk of shareholders deferring to public agencies that recommend based on societal good is imo the only way capitalism could “work”. Of course Elon is against it.
1984@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 298d
I want to go back to the 80s...
jali67@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 298d
Now is fine. We just need to forcefully put these wealthy fucks in their place.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 298d
To stop Reagan from becoming President, right?
Right?
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 297d
Maybe you just shouldn't be building a robot army...
Part4@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 297d
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 297d
*pushes the front one and they all fall down*
danc4498@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 298d
The show Alien Earth presents a future that seems very much where we are headed. Countries replaced by corporations. One trillion dollars is a good start.
SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 298d
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 298d
Because without that contract, TSLA is worthless.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 297d
"WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS ADVANCED WARFARE"
Teal@piefed.zip · 7 pts · 298d
Take a lot more drugs Elon. Be sure it's enough to permenently quiet that scrambled brain of yours.
In a time when the entire world seems to be suffering from unstable leadership, rising costs of everything because of the decisions of people like him, oppressive and invasive actions directed at some of the most vulnerable people.
All that and much more, but this person with a net worth of $479,200,000,000 (according to Forbes as of today) is crying for $1,000,000,000,000 more for a large group of toy robots.
Some people have nothing and go on to accomplish great things. He has everything and needs more handouts to do anything.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 298d
Fucking egomaniac.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 298d
He really needs $1 million, but he'll take the rest, just in case.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 298d
Lmao this clown should be peeled
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 298d
I'll do it for half that.
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 298d
I'll do it for half of your offer. $250 Billion is plenty for me to pull off a robot army.
utopiah@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 298d
Brooks (Roomba, Baxter, MIT, etc) says it's sill not enough https://rodneybrooks.com/why-todays-humanoids-wont-learn-dexterity/
If you skim through his piece, at least watch the 2x 30s videos, really drive the point IMHO.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 298d
Is he revering to the self driving Teslas when he says 'robot army'?
sirico@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 297d
Just one more leverage bro
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 298d
Another chuck e cheese token recipient in the making
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 298d
they look like shit kinda. do they do anything useful?
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 298d
They kill citizens who defy their fascist corporate overlords. So nothing to worry about.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 297d
So, is this a request for help, a threat, or just a grift?
Perhaps he really is concerned about rogue AI Slaughterbots, and wants to avoid that horrible Terminator-style future? Nah.
Perhaps it's a veiled threat - "I got these rogue Slaughterbots who are straining to get out there and fuck up the world, unless you give me a trillion bucks."
Or maybe, there are no robots, or even viable plans to build them, and he just wants a trillion bucks.
It's probably #3, and he'll use the money to build the Slaughterbots, and then do #2.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 298d
Well Musk’s quote there isn’t wrong.
Musk isn’t an engineer, but neither are those consultants. They should all be deferring to deeper within the company for technical decisions instead of conflating some sci fi literacy with practical decision making, and leave musk to making much coarser ones at most.