“The first thing for me was he didn’t release the Epstein files. They’re even acting like they didn’t exist,” he said, before moving on to his other grievances. “And, of course, they’re sending Israel and Ukraine all of our tax dollars just like the numb-nuts before him did. Putting America last, and now he’s blaming the beef farmers for the price of beef.”
Mitchell added, “Hey, I’m not biased, man. He talked a good game; he tricked me. I was fooled. I admit it.”
"Yeah, I do think that Donald Trump is that beast of Revelation 13:3."
144 Comments
db2@lemmy.world · 274 pts · 286d
No he didn't, at all. You're just really stupid so you think he did.
Godort@lemmy.ca · 96 pts · 286d
It's really obvious if you've learned to think critically. If you haven't, then it's easy to fall for the lies. There is a reason why he's the central public figure of the GOP. The man provably knows how to rile up crowds.
Goretantath@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 286d
If you haven't learned critical thinking, that is the same thing as being dumb.
tomenzgg@midwest.social · 10 pts · 286d
I'd argue that's more ignorance, than stupidity; you can't help what you aren't aware of or weren't taught.
db2@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 285d
That excuse works for children, not grown adults.
tomenzgg@midwest.social · 9 pts · 285d
I mean, I think it's complicated; there is something to be said about the intentional suppression of education that the right has studiously (ironically) worked on precisely because a less informed population is easier to manipulate, etc.
I don't think it absolves them of fault (I insatiably read every Leopards Ate My Face story as much as the next person; no lie).
I'd, also, contemplate that it's maybe not sufficiently explained by just lack of critical thinking if they're on their third round of voting for him.
I just meant that – if your argument is that they weren't taught critical thinking – it, definitionally, can't be stupidity but ignorance because stupidity is when you knew full-well and better while ignorance is when you don't know something.
(I also think there's an unintentional leaning, on Lemmy, towards a eugenics-sympathetic "well, these people are just constitutionally stupid and that's just the way they are" relatively often (though the current state of the world makes it a bit understandable). I'm not saying OP thinks that but I could see those who're sympathetic to that worldview easily working with the original statement, as worded; and I think we easily don't walk into those sort of pitfalls when we're particular and accurate about our words and definitions (hence, also, why I was pointing out that it can't be stupidity, definitionally))
IronBird@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 285d
the entire US public education system was designed around not teaching critical thinking skills, specifically to make compliant factory workers...
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 1 pts · 285d
I'd always thought I was missing something about critical thought because people talk about it like it's anything more than not trusting literally everything you hear and trying to be rational about your responses.
Is that not what everyone does all the time? To various states of success, obviously.
JoKi@feddit.org · 13 pts · 286d
It's fascinating how many, who believe they are "thinking critically", follow Trump because he "talks good". They think so critically, that they don't notice the irony.
ech@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 286d
"He is The One. He
movesthinks like they do."Rothe@piefed.social · 37 pts · 286d
He "talked a good game" if you are a moronic bigot. This guy is still a moronic bigot despite his "revelations".
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 286d
At least he’s admitting he’s wrong. I’m willing to let him save face a bit even if it’s completely fucking obvious to anyone that paid attention to his first term that he’s completely full of shit.
Fmstrat@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 285d
Agreed. People can't help being stupid. People can only fix ignorance, and he's done what he can (so far).
bampop@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 286d
Depends on how you interpret the word "good". Not in a moral sense obviously, but good as in "effective"? Trump got elected POTUS twice, despite (or because of) being one of the most despicable human beings to ever exist. Not a great orator, and every time I see him speak I want to vomit, but still, objectively I'd have to concede that he did indeed talk a good game.
db2@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 286d
Did he get elected really? In his own words he had "all the votes [he] needs", he didn't care how the popular vote landed because it wasn't relevant, those aren't the votes that actually do anything.
snooggums@piefed.world · 2 pts · 286d
He got the people who determine rhe results of the election to say he was elected.
Katana314@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 285d
I've always hated this "Well, you can't argue with the results" metric. The calculation I get from Trump's victory is that you could have any number of scandals plaguing a candidate, and as long as they're ultra-racist and churn out the same brain-dead ultra-nationalist talking points we'd been warning about since the classic "Don't Be a Sucker" PSA, central America will vote en masse for them.
It says far more about THEM than it does about that THING as an orator. It pains me to admit truth to the articles claiming "This was not a pure mistake. This is always who America has been."
bampop@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 285d
What I'm saying is that Trump has the right set of ingredients to win the support of these morons, and while his personal "qualities" like privilege, cruelty, racism, malleability and hubris are a part of that, the whole package doesn't work unless he can deliver the right kind of speech, which gives the fascists what they want. The dumbest of them find validation in the idiocy of Trump's words. For a movement which rejects good faith discourse entirely, the endless lies, the self-aggrandizement, the dogwhistles are all what they want to hear. The incoherent rambling delivery is just perfect for avoiding any accountability. It's all the more appealing because honest people find it infuriating, and it degrades every person and institution which has to engage with it.
I don't want to imply any great skill here, it's just the way Trump is, but it happens to be the right play for this game. Which, I agree, is far more an indictment of the game than an accolade for the player.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · -5 pts · 286d
To assume all these people are stupid is in itself stupid.
People have been gaslight for decades now and most people are not critically online like us so it can be hard to know you’re being lied to.
Edit: Before saying the same thing to me again and again, please read my other replies before coming at me. The replies below show me that you people don’t care about changing minds and just care about being right in a place where most of are left leaning, yet all you do is talk with other left leaning people with no ability to change minds, which I’ve done several times. I would argue I am doing more for the cause than you lot.
snooggums@piefed.world · 14 pts · 286d
Falling for gaslighting as blatant as Trump means they were stupid. Every lie he told was obviously a lie. He constantly contradicted himself in obvious ways between or within the same rambling incoherent sentences.
Yes, they are all stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · -3 pts · 286d
Respectively, I don’t agree and I’ve had success in de radicalising 5 friends and family which I couldn’t do if I wrote them off as stupid.
Ignorant, sure. Stupid, no.
snooggums@piefed.world · 6 pts · 286d
Have fun watching them continue to vote Republican in future elections when they fall for the next stupidly obvious thing.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 286d
Yep. Most Trump voters are not radicals. They don't really have political opinions. They really are just stupid, spiteful, hateful people. You can't really cure that.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · -6 pts · 286d
Have fun assuming everybody is American.
Also, for your lack of faith. I guess I wonder why you even comment on this stuff if your intention isn’t to change views then is it just ego stroking?
snooggums@piefed.world · 5 pts · 286d
You responded to a post about people falling for Trump rhetoric, so assuming you were as well is just working in the context of the thread. Insert far right if you can't wrap your head around context.
It is acknowledging that de radicalizing someone stupid enough to fall for far right rhetoric isn't something that is a one and done deal. Extremely few people do more than kind of change their viewpoint on one or two topics and will easily slide back into the same mindset on new or even the same topics when exposed to more of the same.
Saying you deradicalized a half dozen people is bragging that you got some children to settle down for an hour. It is extremely likely that they just say nice things in front of you to shut you up while continuing the same thing when you aren't watching.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · -2 pts · 286d
I don’t agree. You’re essentially teaching people to question what they’re told and at least pause for thought before maybe sharing that misinformation online.
If people are aware that the media is manipulating them and they’ve been shown concrete examples then it stands to reason that they will get better at this the more they do.
Otherwise what’s the fucking point? Is just a circle jerk no?
db2@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 286d
Pandering to the hopelessly stupid got us in this mess.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · -4 pts · 286d
Frankly I don’t agree.
I’ve had success so far in de radicalising 5 friends/family. Which is5 more votes for a party I would want in power than before.
If you’re going to just ignore them nothing is going to change. They are not suddenly going to wake up and vote Green.
db2@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 286d
Can you honestly say you'd trust their decision making without you on their shoulder? They've already demonstrated who they are very clearly, when someone tells you they're horrible you should believe them.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · -1 pts · 286d
Yes I can.
I literally witnessed my closest friend pushing back against some of his friends on my talking points. He wants racist or an idiot, he’d been lied to and pointed to the wrong people as the enemy. Now after me working on him for months on end he sees that he was wrong and how the media manipulated him and will push back against others.
I can see a time when he himself converts someone else and perhaps they will also pay it forward.
As I asked the other person, what’s the point on you commenting on political stuff if not to change minds? Otherwise it’s just stroking your ego.
IronBird@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 285d
any resources on the subject of deprogramming these people you'd recommend.
i know the first bits is like "build trust, don't come from place of judgement yada yada" but how do you actually get them to finally start thinking critically?
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 285d
Honestly I don’t have any resources really and I think it’s only possible with people you spend a lot of time with.
My method has been quite simple really and I’ll tend to ask questions, to which I know the answers but I know they won’t have any clue.
Example: Lots of anti asylum seeker rhetoric in my country right now. So the first thing I ask is how does one apply for asylum in the UK on boats.
Now I’ve never met anybody on the right able to answer this. So I’ll show them the government site which clearly states to apply for asylum you need to be in the UK.
Then I can frame this as well doesn’t it seem like a manufactured problem that we could solve by letting people make applications before they arrive here.
That’s just a quick example, but the gist has been really to be fucking relentless and not let anything slide without being challenged. After a while you’ll notice these people first come to you for an opinion, which id argue is thinking critically. Then you’ll see them thinking about things themselves rather than asking me.
Now I say be relentless, but you have to read the room and let things slide sometimes otherwise you’ll become insufferable and might hurt the cause, but I’ve found that once you can show some inconsistencies in the right wing rhetoric they’ll be more receptive to learning more and more.
Zexks@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 286d
No excuses anymore. They all have access to the same information we all do. They CHOOSE to ignore to not look anything up. Its not about being 'critically.online' cringe, its about being able to think critically and not believing eveeything you see on the internet. No excuses for stupidity anymore.
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 94 pts · 286d
guillem@aussie.zone · 42 pts · 286d
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 286d
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 286d
I'd rather them believe that than not, we can't afford to be picky about our allies right now
zd9@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 286d
They won't. Think of it this way, there were so many people saying COVID was a liberal hoax as they were laying on their death beds unable to breathe.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 286d
at least one said it must be cancer instead, like that is any better.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 12 pts · 286d
When even that dumb broad Marjorie Taylor Green starts running her mouth against her Cheeto-Jesus, you know there's a glimmer of hope.
Of course, she does it entirely out of her own selfish interests: she is personally impacted by Trump's shenanigans. She doesn't really give a fuck about her constituents, or even basic decency. But if that's what it takes to have one less Trump enabler, I'll take it.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 286d
She was also just a true believer. Not like Vance or Jim Jordan or many others who just go along with it to get ahead. There's a reason those cretins believe everything.
This northern Virginia federal prosecutor is also a true believer. She thinks she earned that position.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 286d
trump also campaigned on releasing the epstein files, the magats wer hoping to see every detail of it, instead they are getting nothing. the only ones that dont care are the ones that arnt following the news, i know someone of the latter.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com · 4 pts · 286d
They'll still vote for a Republican next time (if there is a next time) because they're stupid and hateful
hanrahan@piefed.social · 1 pts · 284d
It's not that he supoorts a better, more sane and caring president, he wants something even worse and is disappointed that's not Trump.
AtariDump@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 286d
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 65 pts · 286d
Did he though?
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 38 pts · 286d
He did if you're stupid and bigoted.
CatZoomies@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 286d
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 286d
Good enough to swindle millions of people.
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 286d
Well the games these fighters usually play is brute force, suckerpunching and dull stamina. In the rethorical arena that is kind of Donalds game plan.
Though I'm unsure if that was the metaphor Mitchell was crafting here.
Supervisor194@lemmy.world · 64 pts · 286d
Man they just can't help themselves but to continue being dumbshits even as they come around to the Trump grift can they.
DemBoSain@midwest.social · 32 pts · 286d
I know it's highly subjective, and highly open to interpretation, but I think you'd be surprised at how many 'beast of Revelation' checkboxes Trump fills in. It would be comical if not so real.
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
Schmuppes@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 286d
That is indeed wild.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 285d
My fundy aunt thinks trump is the antichrist ... and she loves him for it. They want that fucking apocalypse. Christians are so weird.
Scubus@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 285d
Its the party of projection. He claims the democrats are all evil satanists, its stands to reason that he's fucking satan
Supervisor194@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 285d
Nothing personal, but I won't even bother looking at that. I grew up in the middle of a bunch of end times crap, I don't need to refresh my memory. It's a waste of time and that's my biggest problem with all these losers: they waste unimaginable amounts of time, energy and capital pursuing this bullshit instead of dealing with the real world. Imagine where we could be if absolute idiots like this guy, former CEO of Intel put their energy into something actually fucking useful instead of some ancient bullshit written by goat herders several thousand years ago.
1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 286d
you know not all people who follow God are like the very.....odd people in the USA. Donald Trump is a very evil man.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 41 pts · 286d
Everything this guy says is proof that it's not good to get hit in the head for a living.
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 286d
On the positive side, if he can set the truth then there is hope for others. Not much hope, I give you that, but some.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 40 pts · 285d
No he didn't. You're just incapable of thinking critically. ESPECIALLY since we already saw what a phony he was the first time he was in office. There was no possible way to be "fooled" at that point unless you're so full of hate that you WANT to be fooled.
fonix232@fedia.io · 14 pts · 285d
It's even worse.
He wasn't fooled. He knew very well what he signed up for. And he was fine with it until things personally affected him. And now he claims he was "fooled".
Nah, he's the same racist, Nazi supporting piece of shit he's been for the past ~10-12 years at least, but now that it's negatively affecting his life, he's trying to leave the sinking ship.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 285d
That was the point in the article where I just started laughing. Imagine telling the entire internet you're just gullible as fuck, willing to be swayed by someone's cheap words. Basically an open invite for con artists to flirt with him.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 285d
this is how conservatives are swindled by scams, like crypto so easily.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 284d
The problem with that is that they all get different news. It's all propaganda. My Trumper buddy thinks that liberals are killing everyone. The difference in media is astounding.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 285d
This rhetoric might feel good, but its counterproductive. Someone changing their minds is a good thing. Its also not wrong to say Trump is a propaganda machine.
Everytime I see a post like yours, it reads far more like "look how good a person I am and have been for so long, where's my up votes?".
Hylactor@sopuli.xyz · 37 pts · 286d
Hmmm...
arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 286d
It's sort of hilarious to me how much shit actually lines up.
snooggums@piefed.world · 7 pts · 286d
It also describes Hitler and other fascist leaders who had setbacks along the way.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 286d
Yeah but Trump was (allegedly!) actually shot in the head
knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 286d
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 286d
Lmao I'm gonna send this to my religious relatives.
mhague@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 286d
Imagine writing that line lmao
You look around and practically every man has a scar on his head. Scars from childhood, scars from construction work. Basically everyone has some mark. And head wounds bleed a lot, and can look gnarly when healed. Some wise guy knew that and decided to fuck with people anyway.
Nostradamus out here predicting the future by writing about... burning towers, and powerful empires... oh shit it's 9/11!
RaoulDook@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 286d
That Time magazine cover showed his allegedly shot ear in full detail, looking like a normal uninjured ear. Pretty sure that shit was faked for the bloody photo op
aceshigh@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 286d
It’s interesting that there’s still no self awareness and no personal responsibility - like: “it was written all over the wall but I was blind to see it because of my biases and judgments”. Instead it was “I was lied to”.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 285d
That's the only path to getting these people turned around. They've, rightly, been called cultists and fascists. Keep telling them they're wrong, they double down. We already saw this the first time around.
I'm very forthcoming when I'm wrong, but I still have an easier time saying I was bamboozled than plain stupid.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 285d
That's how I see it.
There's also something that folks forget about people that get suckered in like this: It's not their first rodeo.
Imagine you're someone that gets below average marks in school, makes a lot of simple mistakes, and has to work to meet average expectations in life. All this gets called out and checked a lot by people that seem to be having an easier time at everything. A lesson the world teaches people like this is: never admit you screwed up, because maybe this time nobody noticed. It's an environment where you just get emotionally beat up if you don't protect yourself. So, to me at least, it's not a surprise that a lot of people react to being called out by defending their ego every way they know how.
wabasso@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 285d
That’s a fresh and compassionate perspective, thank you.
aceshigh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 285d
The issue is that they haven’t learned a damn thing. So we’re not out of the woods. They’ll vote in another T like person/administration because former cult members are attracted to cult leaders. I need to start accepting that for the rest of my life, us will be an extra shitty place to live in.
MrShankles@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 285d
Re-educate who you can, help the lost the best you can, educate the young as if humanity depends on it. Ignorance isn't a lack of ability, but often due to lack of some resource. You'll never sit in the shade of the trees you plant, and that's also something we all need to accept
Katana314@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 285d
If you , they'll just double down.
At least if I mock them for being blindingly stupid racist bigots, it satisfies me as they double down.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 285d
How is it wrong to say they were lied to? Trump consistently says if we do awful things, the results won't be awful they will be amazing.any of these republicans have to go against their local community if they disagree as well, there is a lot of resistance. Try to have some empathy here as surely you are ignorant about something sue to circumstance as well, and I'm sure you would want to be treated positively if you were to realize your mistake.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 31 pts · 286d
This is the one piece of weirdly uplifting news I needed to hear. If a bigoted idiot can see the writing on the wall, then there's hope for us all
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 286d
He'll still endorse Trump or his replacement in 2028. Just wait and see.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 286d
Well that will be the real litmus test, will he fall for the same tricks twice
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 4 pts · 285d
Well, again. I don't think it's reasonable to try counting how many times they've fallen for it at this point.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 285d
hah, true
MBech@feddit.dk · 14 pts · 286d
As far as I understand it, it's not like he regrets his bigotry or anything. He just regrets believing Trump would do anything about it. He's mad that Trump isn't fucking the right people in other words.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 286d
Which is, genuinely, progress.
He was voting for a guy who he thought embodied his (fucked up) values, and is now becoming aware that the guy only values himself and fucks everyone. Hopefully next time he will vote for a politician he can actually trust, and actually reflects his (bigoted) values at a meaningful level.
He drew the line at Epstein and sending tax money to Israel/Ukraine. I'm actually impressed he noticed that that line had been crossed
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 285d
Presumably, this is the same thing that was going on in Charlie Kirk's assassin's head.
hakunawazo@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 285d
I don't think a man with chronic work-related concussions is the most reasonable voice.
Alteon@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 285d
He's a
meatheadstrong, alpha man in a position with a lot of public eyes that othermeatheadsstrong, alpha men can look up to for guidance.Hey, if his admission to being tricked by Trump's lies causes other
MAGA folksstrong, independent thinkers to have a little introspection and change, I'm all for it.Rekorse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 285d
If you know anything about that community, they pretty much only watch the meathead stuff. This is probably the only way to even get a message to proliferate through that community. Thats how trumps message filtered through, there are so many meathead influencers ranging from actual professional bodybuilders to the weird shaped guy at your local gym who sells steroids.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 286d
But a problem here is this guy is upset that he helped ukrain, like Biden did. Was he supposed to not help Ukraine then this guy would be happy.
sausager@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 286d
He doesn't even seem to know about the billions given to Venezuela millionaires
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 286d
Mayhaps. Who know with the twisted way their minds work. Or more accurately don't work
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 285d
fox and grifters would never report on it, even if they did they wouldnt frame it in a way that skews thier perceptions.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org · 21 pts · 286d
Nero (the Roman Emperor) was the beast of Revelation
fucking christians, learn your own fucking code
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 286d
Oh Nero the Emperor! I always thought it was talking about Nero the CD burning software. Seems obvious now.
witheyeandclaw@lemmy.sdf.org · 10 pts · 286d
Nero Burning ROM was titled after Nero burning Rome.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 285d
Excuse me say what?! The old logo even shows a burning Coliseum and I still never put it together.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 285d
Lol I love those moments where you find something that is easy to overlook if you don't think about it, but kind of a duh once you take a second to process.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 285d
I'm 54 and the revelations never fucking end. It's a daily struggle.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 285d
To live is to struggle it seems. No worries though, at least we can keep each other company on the struggle bus.
MrShankles@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 285d
Toot toot! Get in loser, we crying
MrShankles@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 285d
Jesus fucking christ... I always suspected I was dumb, but I didn't realize it was this bad. I'm going back to licking windows, this is too much
shalafi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 285d
Me and you gonna have some clean windows.
Todd_cross@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 286d
Nero fiddled as Rome was burnt onto a CD-RW.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 286d
Ooo, where can I read more on that? I'll just google it if you don't have a specific link you like. That's the first I've heard that.
thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 285d
there's a lot of writing about how the Christians were coding their language at this time because writing about the god king was sure to be death, especially if you're trying to warn others
Anyways the code for number of the beast, 666 or 616 was basically Nero. He killed a lot of Christians. Revolations is code for the prediction of the fall of Rome
be real and think of that bronze age world and consider how much Rome controlled the world of people who could read and write. It was something very special to write a long message. It would be something that stands out like a big screen tv does to us. they had to hid meaningful things inside fantastic stories so when their caught, they have a way out
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 285d
Definitely makes sense, I don't know enough of this kind of history.
I kinda wrote history as a subject off because all my schools focused on wars and not much else. So "history" felt like a bunch of wars and almost all of them were some variation of people in power wanting to show off their micro PPs with a few important revolutionary wars sprinkled in where the common people got sick of the people in power.
So I'm lacking in my "important details of history" knowledge that really help frame conditions as they are now. Appreciate the info, gonna go look up more.
Uruanna@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 286d
Just start with Wikipedia there's no single source, it's pretty widely recognized.
MrShankles@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 285d
Hold my beer, I'm going in
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 285d
Fair enough, thanks!
AnitaAmandaHuginskis@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 285d
Now that's a good revelation for the wrong reasons lol
That's not what he's doing
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 6 pts · 285d
No mention of Argentina either but take what you can get 🤷♂️
echodot@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 285d
Do you think even knows Argentina exists?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 1 pts · 284d
Of course he does, they accepted his favorite kind of refugee back in the day.
Ougie@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 285d
Expecting Bryce to know about that, optimistic 😅
HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth · 19 pts · 286d
"...and I love it! Hell I'll vote for it again!"
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 17 pts · 286d
Helping Ukraine destroy the top US enemy while not losing men is probably the beat deal US ever had, this argument is BS. Remember, Trump is a problem/in power because of Russia, and Russia will do everything to keep destroying US from the inside out. Israel is fully understandable, but this guy no longer supports Trump because of helping Ukraine? Fuck off
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 4 pts · 285d
I mean, people voting for Trump thinking he'd put America first probably aren't the brightest to begin with, and International Relations can be complex enough even for the educated.
We have the benefit of access to news and information and a host of knowledgeable people to help us understand why putting a damper on Russian military confidence is a valuable objective, whether the efforts in Ukraine are achieving that and how supporting them is a worthwhile investment.
If he's stuck in a bubble with nobody to lay all of that out for him, figuring out that Ukraine is a good deal is a tall order.
(That, by the way, is why I think the Humanities need to be taught more. I don't think the above is hard to understand if someone points out the connections and historical precedents, provided you have the basic education to understand how those mechanisms work.)
IronBird@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 285d
but if we start teaching people critical thinking skills they might not make nice compliant factory workers
Bwaz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 285d
Who needs factory workers anymore. Soon it will all be AI and robots
Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social · 17 pts · 286d
I'll admit, hearing this dude say all of this is quite cathartic, but Jesus Christ. You'd have to be a goddamned moron to believe Trump after seeing what he does. Sure, yeah he talks a good game, but it's been backed up with zero follow-through for the entire extent of his life. He's a fucking landlord for Christ sakes. What more do you need to know?
Rothe@piefed.social · 9 pts · 286d
Equating Ukraine with Israel shows how little this guy has changed his moronic bigoted views though.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 286d
"No foreign aid, America first" is at least a consistent policy I suppose
Katana314@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 285d
And I lose respect for those people as soon as they saw the hundreds of tons of food taken from USAID, and burned instead of sending it to help Americans; and continued to say "It on our side".
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 285d
I don't respect them either, I'm just saying that disliking sending aid to israel and disliking sending aid to ukraine are not necessarily illogical positions to hold together if one of your core positions is disliking sending aid anywhere
Archer@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 286d
Probably taken quite a few punches to the head. It tracks, unfortunately
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 286d
A LOT of people just take grifters at their word. "How could they be so confident if they were wrong?" type deal
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 286d
My brain hurts from reading this
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 286d
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
hanrahan@piefed.social · 8 pts · 284d
No he didn't, what he talked of was he was going to be shitty, you're just a horrible person and annoyed he's not shitty enough for you.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 286d
dint he get brain damage from getting hit too many times in the head.
echodot@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 285d
Anybody saying "I would take a bullet for x" and never going anywhere near x in order to be able to intervene, is just talking out of their arse.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 285d
Why are there so many shitty UFC fighters?
Like, I expect that there are shitty WWE fighters, but a lot of them turn out to be pretty decent people behind the scenes. What's with MMA that attracts all the shitheads?
Xenny@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 285d
Well, one of those is an acting gig and the other one is a literal Bloodsport so there might be an inherent difference in the type of people that those industries attract
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 285d
WWE is Shakespeare for boys and dude bros.
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 285d
Plus bonus brain damage and the inteligence of professional sportsmanship.
Doublenut@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 285d
You're talking about people who chose to actually fight people for a living vs performers who's success also depends on their fans at least to some degree. I equate it to asking why cops are generally so mean but clowns are lovely. To be honest though I know some pretty mean clowns.
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 285d