Rockstar Games fires over 30 employees, all were part of pro-union Discord group, "one of the most blatant and ruthless acts of union busting in the history of the games industry"
https://archive.ph/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-31/-grand-theft-auto-studio-accused-of-union-busting-after-firings
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supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 151 pts · 296d
Well, never giving my money to Rockstar again then :)
Marafon@sh.itjust.works · 94 pts · 296d
I pretty much only buy indie games at this point. Any game made by a company that benefits a stock ticker? You best believe I'm... (checks what comm I'm in) ..Acquiring it. Lol
Funnily enough the one exception to this rule that I probably would have made was BF6 but they forced me to sit this one out by barring Linux users š¤·āāļø So I'm playing Outer Worlds 2 instead rn.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 33 pts · 296d
For some good battlefield alternatives that run great on Linux check out ->
Easy Red 2
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1324780/Easy_Red_2/
Operation Harsh Doorstop
https://store.steampowered.com/app/736590/Operation_Harsh_Doorstop/
and Angels Fall First
https://store.steampowered.com/app/367270/Angels_Fall_First/
tal@lemmy.today · 22 pts · 296d
Oh, thanks. I didn't know that that was out until you mentioned it.
Marafon@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 296d
Thanks for the recommendations! Especially Easy Red 2 š
I am a big fan of the Red Orchestra/Rising Storm series and there is a mod coming out soon for Rising Storm 2 called Black Orchestra that I'm planning to fill the Battlefield shaped hole in my heart with. It's in beta right now, but you best believe I'll be letting everyone know about it when it hits steam.
WolfLink@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 296d
I tried downloading the BF6 free demo and I had to jump through a bunch of hoops trying to get it to run just to find that because the last time I used my EA account was a decade ago, my Steam account is banned from their servers until I go through customer support to unlock it.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 296d
And that last bit is wild because the one that doesn't require Windows for PC gamers is the one owned by Microsoft.
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 296d
most relatable thing I've heard all day š
Pika@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 296d
I'm the same way. I might have got BF6, I played the beta and fell in love cause it felt like BC2 which was my favorite BF game.
Sadly the hoops I had to jump through to even get it to work on a windows system, let alone getting it to work on my Debian system, combined with the price tag was enough to hard push me away from buying it.
It's a shame because the game was stupid levels of fun, and felt organic. They just are out-casting their userbase by their decisions to block Non-Windows systems.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 295d
I'm pretty sure Obsidian Entertainment qualifies as AAA.
Marafon@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 295d
Correct. š
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 295d
Ah, so you're saying you only play one AAA game and the rest are indies?
artyom@piefed.social · 7 pts · 295d
They're saying they pirate them
copd@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 296d
I think this comment will age like milk once GTA6 has been out on PC for a decade
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 295d
Wait, why that comment?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 295d
Sales for GTA VI will probably be similar or higher compared to GTA V.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 115 pts · 296d
Iām sure the department of labor will get right on this caseā¦
melechric@lemmy.world · 76 pts · 296d
I know you're being sarcastic, but if does point out the fact that capitalism is only held in check by government. RockStar obviously waited until they knew they could get away with it given the current attitudes in all branches of the US government.
PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml · 86 pts · 296d
HK65@sopuli.xyz · 48 pts · 296d
People don't realise GTA is a British franchise
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 296d
Ngl, Iād pirate the shit out of GTA:Milton Keynes
supamanc@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 296d
Hold out for the Luton expansion, they developed 13 more shades of concrete, just for the game!
Snowpix@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 296d
GTA: Slough
altima_neo@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 296d
Yeah. Aren't they in Scotland?
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 296d
lol, this is what I deserve for not reading the damn article
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 4 pts · 296d
Lmao
obinice@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 296d
Did the USA invade the UK last night and I didn't notice?
Now, to be fair I got an early night, it was Halloween and the nutters were out in force so I popped the ol' sleeping plugs in and nodded off, but I think I'd notice when I got up for brekkie and the yanks were marching down the road xD
the_q@lemmy.zip · 66 pts · 296d
darkdemize@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 296d
I made essentially the same comment on another thread yesterday, but I think it might have gone over most people's heads. That or they didn't want to admit it.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 296d
I think it's a bit self-indulgent to consider that this is big-brained or world-shattering to people. You're just repeating the dominant explanation for why these companies can make profit despite their immorality, it isn't challenging or new.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 296d
It's important to make a distinction between liberals who strive for moral purity through performativity, and people who value human life by recognizing the inequalities in labour and material security under capitalism. Narratives that reproduce the idea that people are just fundamentally impure and can't stick to their values only strengthens liberalism's claim to morality.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 295d
Most people buying it will not know about this
Many would not care
A lot think that it is not their job punishing companies over how they treat their employees
I think it is the governmentās job to make laws that empower people taking jobs over people giving jobs, but as well, in my opinion, each and everyone has the responsibility to watch over government that they do the job right
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 296d
Your point?
E: just want to make clear, the attribution of apathy or nihilism to the general pubic isn't genuine or useful.
dom@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 296d
Companies can do whatever they want and it literally doesn't matter because they will keep making money
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 296d
Missing nuance.
87Six@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 296d
The point is people are impressively stupid and impulsive
the_q@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 296d
orioler25@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 296d
It's difficult to read this and not feel less empathetic toward you. Such desperation to feel superior without any clear indication that you are invested in actually embodying a set of morals yourself.
If you care, you should take the time to explore inconvenient explanations for why this happens and refuse satisfaction with actionless answers.
the_q@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 296d
orioler25@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 296d
"... I don't feel superior to anyone... . ... evoked some feeling of shame from you isn't my problem." You can't even pretend to be an honest person without trying to suggest other people are less morally pure than you. This is not a simple life, it is a dishonest one. I will not be responding again, obviously. There's no conversing with people who lie to themselves.
the_q@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 296d
etherphon@midwest.social · 6 pts · 296d
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 296d
Disagree.
6nk06@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 296d
His point is simple enough that you should understand. Use your brain.
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 296d
Ah. Good luck to you.
orioler25@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 296d
This is a good question to ask. This person is not very critical of what they've said and is clearly satisfied with liberal (as in liberalism) explanations for people's behaviour.
Their point is that people are just fundamentally bad and that is why these companies make profit despite an apparently universal condemnation of their actions. It's shallow, inaccurate, and is only useful to feel morally superior to some imagined decadent group that they believe is the source of this problem.
brsrklf@jlai.lu · 62 pts · 296d
"Gross misconduct, and no other reason"... from 30 people at once? And they're not going to elaborate on what the "misconduct" was?
Maybe we're supposed to believe the fact they were all part of the same discussion to unionize was a coincidence, too?
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 296d
My best bet is the Discord server had internal Rockstar files, and their angle is these files should have never been put on external servers, and that other Discord members should have reported it
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 296d
Pfft...Like y'all don't know what to do with GTA VI.
Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 296d
Rockstar have been pieces of shit for decades. Didn't change anything then, and unfortunately, it probably won't now.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 296d
light my beard on fire?
myotheraccount@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 296d
Play it so much that you don't notice your crew set your beard on fire and left without you?
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 296d
look up the life and times of Edward Teach.
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 5 pts · 296d
Huh, I assumed that photo was just AI nonsense. But from the Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbeard
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 296d
Wait 2 goddamn extra years or however long until they release it for PC.
The good news is by then I can easily justify upgrading my PC too. Right now it's hard to justify upgrading from my RTX 3060 Ti, but by 2027 or 2028 when the PC version comes out, I'm sure that there's something enticing available from all 3 GPU manufacturers (yay, we almost have competition now) and I can get the hell off Nvidia again finally.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 295d
Hold your horses, Intel is going through some stuff, and I hope the GPU division survives.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 295d
Ugh I hope if it doesn't they'll at least sell it off to someone who can realistically keep it running. Though I have no idea who that would be at this point.
It's going to suck if we're back to the duopoly.
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 295d
Donāt play it?
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 295d
Roll it up with gunpowder, stick it in my ears, and light it on fire?
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 296d
Pirate it? Yeah, I'll probably do that.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 296d
What a joke. Fuck rockstar.
heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net · 30 pts · 296d
Everyone should already be boycotting this company
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 24 pts · 296d
That's against the law, but don't count on this DoJ to enforce it.
tomalley8342@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 296d
wrong country š
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 295d
Is that allowed in the UK and Canada? As an American, I'm not familiar with the law there.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 21 pts · 296d
What GTA-like games do you enjoy by indie devs?
The closest I can provide is Wobbly Life which is unironically an awesome physics heavy GTA-like themed around being a destructive kid.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1211020/Wobbly_Life/
For driving jobs, hanging out in a living multiplayer city and driving feel that hits just right check out the rabidly loved Motor Town: Behind The Wheel.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1369670/Motor_Town_Behind_The_Wheel/
Contractville looks interesting but I haven't tried it.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2698780/ContractVille/
Schedule 1 seems popular
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3164500/Schedule_I/
Inzoi seems like it is similar in the open world roleplaying sense
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2456740/inZOI/
otacon239@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 296d
I can vouch for Motortown, even if itās not a ton like GTA. Thereās a surprising amount of gameplay detail considering the assets look low-detail. Great roleplay experience.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 296d
Motor Town is a behemoth, I have driven so many urgent taxi jobs I put myself on the taxi leaderboard for a hot minute without intending too... with pretty much all the driving manual not autopilot which I am not sure many of the other drivers higher taxi level than me do... lol
Yeah, Motor Town is GOOD.
HK65@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 296d
If you like the old-school top-down GTA feel, American Fugitive is super cheap now and is a good-ish game. Same dev has The Precinct, which is top-down GTA but you're playing a cop.
The story is not a strong point with either, but if you need that, go to a different genre.
And there is also Rustler, which is ridiculously fun.
I also loved Simpsons Hit and Run, but that's a bit old and IDK how indie was it.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 296d
You also HAVE to check out the quick multiplayer match topdown GTA-like Skillshot City. The gameplay feels super tight.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/308600/Skillshot_City/
Maniac is a singleplayer police escape arcade mayhem game with locked in topdown GTA-like gameplay.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1482380/Maniac/
In a different genre but still worth mentioning for having cool topdown arcade multiplayer & singleplayer combat is Running With Rifles
https://store.steampowered.com/app/270150/RUNNING_WITH_RIFLES
Hawke@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 296d
Contractville is janky as hell and not anywhere near the scale of GTA. But it is damn fun.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 296d
$49B company, all driven by labor.
artyom@piefed.social · 11 pts · 295d
Rockstar bad
If you're going to organize a union, don't fucking use Discord...
mudstickmcgee@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 295d
If it's good enough to overthrow a government, you'd think it's good enough for a union
phlegmy@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 295d
Some companies are wealthier than most countries.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 295d
*many
Most countries are poorā¦
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 296d
just more evidence that you should only support smaller private companies, not corpos
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 10 pts · 295d
Weren't the antagonists of rdr2 the pinkertons?
pyre@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 295d
developers usually know what's up. assassin's creed 4, a pirate game that mimicked the assassin's creed series that ended with ac3, made the templar's modern day front, abstergo, into a ubisoft parody. in that game abstergo literally makes assassin's creed games with ulterior motives. it was almost like the devs were going "man, fuck this dumbass company" and did that as a middle finger to their bosses.
AmericanEconomicThinkTank@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 295d
Never talk about unionizing on company time, on company property, or with someone else that is, and especially with someone unvetted.
Keep it private, keep it quiet.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 296d
We don't respect you anymore though Rockstar.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 295d
Previously decided never to buy a Rockstar game again (after an unplayable PC port on GTA 4) this just crystallizes that decision
DeICEAmerica@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 295d
steeznson@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 296d
It was like 5 years ago but I heard a family friend working there was making 27k as a mid level dev.
Squizzy@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 295d
At a certain point the blame lies with the worker, I am pro union but jesus have some self respect and look for better.
steeznson@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 295d
Game dev is predatory because people can and will do it for free. Many "dream jobs" have this issue.
plyth@feddit.org · 3 pts · 296d
So, next time use Matrix to send messages?
Moltz@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 296d
Schreier couldn't be bothered to list what the employees positions were. Gonna take a wild guess they weren't devs. Even better, the union Discord clearly has a leak. Now that's how you protect workers, amiright, unless these employees were dumb enough to spread the word at work
Secret_Music@crazypeople.online · 2 pts · 296d
In case anyone thought the "rockstar" being referred to was Joe Strummer, it's actually Gene Simmons.
manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 296d
pass, shit news though, unsurprising
HereIAm@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 296d
I know Discord has it's flaws, but why would that discredit them from organising a union? Would you referred if they had used Teams or an email chain?
Khrux@ttrpg.network · 17 pts · 296d
It's interesting how Discord absolutely nukes its own trust by pretending to be more than it is. I loathe discord, to the point I'd use a competitor (not teams) just to evade it. I'm sick of finding a hobby group using it as a Frankenstein forum / chat / info hub when it's only built for chat.
Discord is fine for this use, but I'm getting used to the distrusting it so often that it blends into reasonable use.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 296d
It's freaking everyone. Every niche is Discord now. It's so annoying.
...That being said, this is likely a private chat group. That's ostensibly what its for.
They probably should've used something anonymized with non-persistant chat, but still.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 296d
Hard to organize when you canāt look at history.
Not to mention, discord can easily be anonymous, and you can easily kill off viewing history.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 296d
True.
Makes me wonder how they got caught? Discord basically not anonymos by default, so maybe no-one anonymized and someone in the channel reported it all to managment?
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 296d
I wouldnāt doubt they required some sort of āprove youāre in the companyā or something, or were shooting the shit publicly in a way that would allow for easy identification.
AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 286d
It sounds like they weren't being particularly secretive about anything. I think this was not an expected move
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9nOwjeznjI
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -6 pts · 296d
Apparently they have a ¹BitchSky account, email, and phone line you can reach the unionist at. I am not particularly interested in non-cooperative owned businesses to deal with a self-defeating compromise. (2Ćš)
If they make a threadiverse account, jabber, or other privacy respecting p2p, then maybe Iāll ask them details of their discord leakage.
¹ as in complaining without actions
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -9 pts · 296d
š¤£šš¤£šš¤£š And Zoomers will continue to use discord after they specifically sold the unionists out.
Zamn.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 296d
Source, please? Nobody claimed that except you
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -7 pts · 296d
read the title againā¦
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 296d
They were in a discord group. That's a far cry from 'discord selling them out'
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -9 pts · 296d
Now get your critical thinking skills cap on: How did Rockstar Games identify each member of the discord group?
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 296d
Screenshots of employee devices, having a mole in the group, etc etc? We all know there's a million ways to gain information about people online, there's literally a dozen comms on lemmy about privacy and protecting your info. Your critical thinking cap is more like a conspiracy theory cap.
It's not impossible discord collaborated with rockstar, but it's fucking unlikely. What would discord even have to gain from it that's worth the risk?
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -10 pts · 296d
So you're implying to me, a mole managed to acquire what Discord has in it's database, and managed to 1:1 identify employees and rat them out, instead of just bribing Discord to give them GEOlocation and MAC address informationā¦
Money. GTA is one of the most famous genre people make groups for. Why would you turn down a whale rancher's bribe to identify employees willing to negotiate for better conditions when your rancher is a billionaire that can buy you?
grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org · 7 pts · 296d
Nah, they're saying a member of the discord group might know the other members of the discord group. That member might rat out the other members.
Gerudo@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 296d
One of the simplest answers is that someone likely was using it at work, and just left a window open while they went to the bathroom. Someone saw it and ratted. Until proven Discord shared the info, it's a little dangerous to make the assumption.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -8 pts · 296d
One employee had access to multiple employeesā geolocation and mac address data through that one user accountā¦
Now a little homework for you: How does Nintendo crush modders, emulators, fan works, and now patent infringers?