i thought it was more about making the older models shittier with updates. like apple limiting battery capacity, samsung slowing down and removing features, etc. i had s22u and it had tons of customization, you could put a calendar or a gif in the AOD but suddenly they removed it all, you could only change the color of the clock.
It's new devices coming onto the market. So if they existed before June but they are still being sold, the rules do not apply to them. But new models that are coming out now have to have software support.
Apple are the ones who refuse to allow developers to deploy apps that run on older devices while also not allowing users to download previous versions of an app.
Apple supports their phones for at least 5 years. iPhone XS from 2018 is still supported by the current version of iOS. As iOS 26 just came out, that means 8 years of software support.
They’re referring to an old controversy that was a mixture of bad decisions and conspiracy. They’ve now linked an article to the outcome of it. I won’t cover the whole thing but Apple “let slip” and “admitted” to slowing down old phones. This obviously feeds into the planned obsolescence conspiracies but at the time it wasn’t exactly hidden, Apple (one of their higher ups though I can’t think of who) said they were doing it.
The real issue was that it was implemented without transparency. The point is the device underclocks to prevent unexpected shut downs which makes it slower as a trade off for stability. Devices still do this, but it’s now shown in the settings and warns that the battery needs replacing.
Ha same, I keep saying I’ll upgrade next generation and it’s always underwhelming. Especially now that they’ve been huffing their own farts about ai. My battery capacity is at 70% of what it originally had what’s yours at?
With iOS 12.1, Apple has brought its controversial “performance management feature” (aka, throttling) to the iPhone 8, 8 Plus, and iPhone X. This functionality dynamically throttles the phone’s processor as its battery degrades over time to stop the handset from randomly shutting down
Its literally a feature to improve the longevity of the device. And if you really hate it you can either replace the degraded battery (in which case it will automatically return to the factory clock speed) or disable the feature and experience device instability. Would you rather your phone randomly crash and shut off on you or would you prefer to keep 50Mhz of clock speed?
You can keep your walls and apple can let other people take those walls down. It could easily be a win/win. If they did that, they would capture a lot of android market.
I also have a lot of older relatives who I can let roam in the Apple Walled Garden and be 99.95% sure they can’t fuck anything up by installing a sus app.
iPhones have a setting where as the battery ages they can throttle the cpu, you can disable this setting.
It did it briefly against users will on batteries that were at a certain age / wear threshold, then Apple started offering decreased battery replacement costs and added a toggle for this feature that the user could control. It’s been there since iOS 11 back in 2018.
This is literally a GOOD THING. They made it so their phones would reduce their boost clocks slightly if the battery is degraded to the point where the battery can no longer support those clocks in order to prevent unexpected power offs/faults from the processor trying to pull more energy than the battery can output. The underclock is not noticeable in day to day usage and prevents instability due to a worn out battery AND it automatically reverts to the factory clock speed if the battery is replaced and therefore the underclock is no longer needed!
Would you rather your several year old phone be slightly imperceptibly slower at times or crash randomly because that 50Mhz of boost clock was so critical to you?
56 Comments
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de · 92 pts · 294d
The EU has already noticed. Manufacturers have to provide software updates for five years, for all new devices since June.
mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz · 66 pts · 294d
i thought it was more about making the older models shittier with updates. like apple limiting battery capacity, samsung slowing down and removing features, etc. i had s22u and it had tons of customization, you could put a calendar or a gif in the AOD but suddenly they removed it all, you could only change the color of the clock.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 294d
Is it possible / practical to go to a previous version of Always On Display?
mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 294d
since it's a part of the samsung ui and there's no way to roll back, no
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 294d
What does "new device" mean?
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 294d
It's new devices coming onto the market. So if they existed before June but they are still being sold, the rules do not apply to them. But new models that are coming out now have to have software support.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 294d
Yeah that's what I thought. That's the language companies use in the U.S. anyway.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 294d
A device that isn't old? 🤷🏻
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 294d
My understanding of the message in the OP is that phone companies are making phones suck after 2 years using updates that make the phone slower, etc.
.... Y'know, like Apple did a few years back.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 294d
And meanwhile Apple has been providing 6+ years of FULL updates for over a decade
But they’re the bad guys?
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de · 14 pts · 294d
Not the point, but they're the bad guys for other reasons. Walled garden, bad repairability etc. Their update policy is really solid, though.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 294d
Ah yes, that's why they make apps unavailable for older devices with no way to install them besides some iTunes hack that I'm not sure works anymore.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 293d
How old devices are you trying to use?
And is it Apple or the app developer who hasn’t updated their app in a decade?
rmuk@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 293d
Apple are the ones who refuse to allow developers to deploy apps that run on older devices while also not allowing users to download previous versions of an app.
pyre@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 294d
yes
kubica@fedia.io · 29 pts · 294d
If anyone thinks this is just a common meme, there have been lawsuits over this.
Example: https://pirg.org/articles/samsung-apple-fined-for-software-updates-that-slowed-phones/
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 294d
Apple supports their phones for at least 5 years. iPhone XS from 2018 is still supported by the current version of iOS. As iOS 26 just came out, that means 8 years of software support.
witty_username@feddit.nl · 41 pts · 294d
Including deliberate and unnecessary performance decreasing updates
Edit: source
Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 294d
Rocking my iPhone 11 Pro Max with OG battery.
Reckon I can get through easy until the 18 or the Fold.
No idea what you’re talking about.
joelfromaus@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 294d
They’re referring to an old controversy that was a mixture of bad decisions and conspiracy. They’ve now linked an article to the outcome of it. I won’t cover the whole thing but Apple “let slip” and “admitted” to slowing down old phones. This obviously feeds into the planned obsolescence conspiracies but at the time it wasn’t exactly hidden, Apple (one of their higher ups though I can’t think of who) said they were doing it.
The real issue was that it was implemented without transparency. The point is the device underclocks to prevent unexpected shut downs which makes it slower as a trade off for stability. Devices still do this, but it’s now shown in the settings and warns that the battery needs replacing.
Chronographs@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 294d
Ha same, I keep saying I’ll upgrade next generation and it’s always underwhelming. Especially now that they’ve been huffing their own farts about ai. My battery capacity is at 70% of what it originally had what’s yours at?
Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 294d
82% and it gets me through the day no issues!
prettybunnys@piefed.social · 2 pts · 294d
No, you see you aren’t using technology the right way.
You need to hate Apple and instead buy a product that isn’t as good to stick it to them, then you can complain about this stuff with everyone else.
liuther9@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 294d
Iphone 5 had this problem, also ipad mini 1
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 294d
Better source
Its literally a feature to improve the longevity of the device. And if you really hate it you can either replace the degraded battery (in which case it will automatically return to the factory clock speed) or disable the feature and experience device instability. Would you rather your phone randomly crash and shut off on you or would you prefer to keep 50Mhz of clock speed?
GraveyardOrbit@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 294d
gigachad@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 294d
Unfortunately apple is a walled garden
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 294d
That’s whataboutism though. If we’re discussing the topic of the post, Apple actually has a great track record.
gigachad@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 294d
I know it's not the topic. I just wanted to say that it is useless for me despite it's update policy.
Microsoft for example can offer a great Microsoft Office experience that has all the AI agents I ever wanted - but as a Linux user that doesn't help.
Also Ford can make a car that is really great for saving fuel - much better than Peugeot - but I only ride bikes.
You can call it whatboutism, but for me it's just a shitty product I do not need.
Jumbie@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 288d
It’s shitty because you don’t need it?
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 294d
I want my garden to have walls
Baylahoo@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 294d
You can keep your walls and apple can let other people take those walls down. It could easily be a win/win. If they did that, they would capture a lot of android market.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 293d
I also have a lot of older relatives who I can let roam in the Apple Walled Garden and be 99.95% sure they can’t fuck anything up by installing a sus app.
I only have to train them on phishing.
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 294d
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 6 pts · 294d
Software updates are using carrots (?) to lure in mobile phones?
Edit: no wait, that's a finger, I think. I don't know what the software updates are holding.
capcool@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 294d
Thats a knife
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 2 pts · 294d
That's what the software updates are holding behind their back. I'm talking about the thing in front, which looks like a lure for the phones
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 294d
We need a phone that runs Debian stable.
bryndos@fedia.io · 5 pts · 294d
I don't believe software updates are skillful enough to catch a rabbit like that.
I reckon poisoning the rabbits tried and trusted carrot patch is way more like it.
Draegur@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 293d
My note 9 lasted a good 8 years... But yeah. Now when apps update, "your device is no longer supported" Wow okay fuck you too thanks a lot guys -.-
5parky@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 293d
2 year lifecycle and a 3 year payment plan.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 294d
Grandma got her Cutco out, she ain't playing around.
CelestialMittens@feddit.org · -2 pts · 294d
How long will it take until the idiot consumers will notice and instead buy devices that aren't at the mercy of the manufacturer?
prettybunnys@piefed.social · -7 pts · 294d
This is an android only issue FWIW
The comment below me saying iPhones do this is referencing 10 year old information.
optissima@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 294d
iPhone underclocks older phonea against the will of the users too last I heard
prettybunnys@piefed.social · 11 pts · 294d
iPhones have a setting where as the battery ages they can throttle the cpu, you can disable this setting.
It did it briefly against users will on batteries that were at a certain age / wear threshold, then Apple started offering decreased battery replacement costs and added a toggle for this feature that the user could control. It’s been there since iOS 11 back in 2018.
DacoTaco@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 294d
Ye, they did that after they were caught and fined for secretly underclocking phones lawl
prettybunnys@piefed.social · 9 pts · 294d
Meanwhile Google added mandatory battery management back into the Pixel 10 because fuck you I guess?
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 294d
So don't buy a Pixel
optissima@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 294d
Good to know they added that and really highlights when I last really interacted with one
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 294d
ONCE
They did it ONCE
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 294d
This is literally a GOOD THING. They made it so their phones would reduce their boost clocks slightly if the battery is degraded to the point where the battery can no longer support those clocks in order to prevent unexpected power offs/faults from the processor trying to pull more energy than the battery can output. The underclock is not noticeable in day to day usage and prevents instability due to a worn out battery AND it automatically reverts to the factory clock speed if the battery is replaced and therefore the underclock is no longer needed!
Would you rather your several year old phone be slightly imperceptibly slower at times or crash randomly because that 50Mhz of boost clock was so critical to you?
optissima@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 293d
I'd rather people have direct control of their phones. Glad to hear it's an option now.
BryceBassitt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 293d
Fuck off
Jumbie@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 288d
Nah. You.
BryceBassitt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 287d
Indeed
GraveyardOrbit@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 294d
Lumisal@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 294d
Yes.
On the other hand, I have to basically hack an iPad 5 to use essentially any app on it that's relevant and/ or not a subscription service.
Meanwhile I can put PostmarketOS on devices over a decade old on the android side.
So while they support longer, once no longer supported, essentially e-waste even though they have pretty good hardware, just cuz.
Jumbie@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 288d
Do the same to the iPad. Jailbreak it. You’re comparing an apple to an orange in your scenario.