It's less weird when you realize it's not a hexagon, it's a sine wave in cylindrical coordinates. There are a lot of negative feedback loops such that a sine wave can turn into a standing wave. You just have to get a little lucky with a couple important things like your rossby number et voila, hexagon.
sine waves aren't strictly an investment thing, they are more of a general math thing and can be used to model a wide variety of stuff (in this case this graph is for investing, but for example it comes up in physics a lot)
Keep going.... Sine waves are not an investment thing. They're a math thing that can be usefully applied to some things (eg. physics) or poorly applied to almost anything (eg. finance/econ).
Because storms want to be circles but any given gas giants atmosphere is basically a series of nothing but storms and when you tile circles you get a hexagonal grid due to the spaces in between them?
That’s actually the prevailing theory. A hexagonal shape is the path of least resistance for the wind patterns on Saturn. It probably really is that simple.
I don't think it's completely unrelated though. I don't claim to understand what's actually going but seems to me that whatever winds are whipping about there could create fronts that are sort of similar as pressure as what happens with honeycombs. In one it's just the cells themselves create the pressure whereas here it's the giant planetwide storms.
Idk.
As a an interplanetary stormologist. Or a geometrisist.
I mean, they lay round cells, but because they layer them tightly, they get squeezed in, and form a hexagonal pattern. Possibly drying also affects it idk much about bee-engineering, apologies.
Based on what I recall of the explanation by the person who figured it out: spinning makes fluid near the edge spin faster than fluid near the middle. The difference in speed creates a wave. Since it's finite and moving, the wave interferes with itself and because of math, makes a hexagon. Something about how the wave pattern changes density and brings different glasses to the surface on the planets.
Then they showed an example by spinning a bucket, and it kinda fell flat because they had to explain that a bucket isn't a sphere so you have to spin it just right to get it to work, but it did work in the end.
Yeah apparently it has to do with the bit sort of sliding in behind the holes it carves out with its blades. Doesn't happen with a regular drill bit because those don't have sticky-out parts.
When my drill bits are super, super dull, they make smooth triangles. Like triangular shaped holes, with no true points or flat edges. If I get crooked while laying on it and drilling (not uncommon with a dull-ass bit) two lobes will stand out more clearly than the side I'm not leaning towards.
Not hexagons, and sure as hell not cones.
Now if they're sharp, it's just a fucking hole. Circular. Like they're supposed to be
This was the topic of an awesome old web comic strip, I believe it was from smbc. It was a debate of two where one would simply state the existence of the hexagon, with increasing amounts of slurs.
Banger.
85 Comments
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 359 pts · 254d
Because hexagons are the bestagons.
halvar@lemy.lol · 47 pts · 254d
the only answer i'll ever need
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 254d
SUPER BESTAGON
not_so_handsome_jack@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 254d
BEGIN
Birch@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 254d
[LOUD THUMPING TECHNOMUSIC]
CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 250d
That brought back some PTSD...
And addiction, gotta play it again <3
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 254d
The hexagon was invented by Pappus Alexandria, centuries before the release of unrelated Belgian techno anthem Pump Up the Jam.
Matty_r@programming.dev · 28 pts · 254d
Bestagons, Roll out!
wait...
Hupf@feddit.org · 39 pts · 254d
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 254d
This picture makes squares jealous
hex123456@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 254d
It’s actually a cube.
Square Pride!!
Hupf@feddit.org · 1 pts · 253d
https://youtu.be/2lW9HznqsVY
Matriks404@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 253d
!lemmygold
MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml · 177 pts · 254d
Evolushan@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 254d
Test apparatus from Oxford article:
Resulting hexagons observed:
This is on my phone hope the text is readable.
Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 254d
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 44 pts · 254d
Tl;Dr
"Why is it a hexagon"
MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml · 58 pts · 254d
Saapas@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 254d
But why hexagon and not a circle
underreacting@literature.cafe · 6 pts · 254d
Laws of Physics. Also aliens. (Aliens created physics).
Ps. I'd also like to know the answer.
MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 253d
cypherpunks@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 254d
::: spoiler either that, or
:::
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 254d
They would never be so obvious
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 91 pts · 254d
TIL all the Civilization maps are on Saturn
ashenone@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 254d
Only after civilization 3
gnutrino@programming.dev · 19 pts · 254d
*civ 4.
5 was the first one with a hex grid
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 254d
Which is still my favorite for some reason
KiwiTB@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 254d
4.... But I assumed a typo
NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org · 7 pts · 254d
That makes sense...
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 253d
god playing settlers of catan here...
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip · 70 pts · 254d
It's less weird when you realize it's not a hexagon, it's a sine wave in cylindrical coordinates. There are a lot of negative feedback loops such that a sine wave can turn into a standing wave. You just have to get a little lucky with a couple important things like your rossby number et voila, hexagon.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 254d
this.ToEnglish()
hayvan@feddit.nl · 25 pts · 254d
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 254d
A planet with an investment chart for a pole. WHY.
hayvan@feddit.nl · 13 pts · 254d
Capitalism ruining everything.
webpack@ani.social · 12 pts · 254d
sine waves aren't strictly an investment thing, they are more of a general math thing and can be used to model a wide variety of stuff (in this case this graph is for investing, but for example it comes up in physics a lot)
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 253d
Keep going.... Sine waves are not an investment thing. They're a math thing that can be usefully applied to some things (eg. physics) or poorly applied to almost anything (eg. finance/econ).
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 253d
Saturn's butt is made of Bitcoin, got it.
Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com · 3 pts · 254d
Damm good bait
ameancow@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 253d
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 254d
That doesn't sound less weird.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz · 57 pts · 254d
That's where all the 10mm sockets end up
Triumph@fedia.io · 10 pts · 254d
Only the six point ones.
naught101@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 254d
Wat
Edit: oh, right, 12 point sockets
Saapas@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 254d
I was just thinking of popping out my hex set so I can pop open Saturn
Icytrees@sh.itjust.works · 53 pts · 254d
It's bees.
g0d0fm15ch13f@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 254d
Its always bees
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 254d
But never lupus
TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 254d
Wasn't it actually lupus one time? Or am I misremembering?
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 254d
Apparently, S04E08, "You Don't Want to Know" is the one you're thinking of, so, yes.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 254d
Unless it's Bees.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 254d
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio · 4 pts · 253d
Excelentagon.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 254d
Because Saturn is Catan.
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 254d
Base game got boring, I recommend the Ringfarers expansion.
Bleys@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 254d
Somewhat topically, Terraforming Mars clears
MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world · 36 pts · 254d
Things like Hexagons and the golden spiral occurring in nature are interesting - but very well-travelled.
NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org · 40 pts · 254d
And I don't mean she travels a lot. -Bender Bending Rodriguez
gedaliyah@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 254d
TLDR That's what happens when circles get squished together.
antrosapien@lemmy.ml · 32 pts · 254d
Lazy rendering
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 253d
I'd like to file a bug report, the texture wrapping is broken
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 254d
Because storms want to be circles but any given gas giants atmosphere is basically a series of nothing but storms and when you tile circles you get a hexagonal grid due to the spaces in between them?
lemming741@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 253d
So it's a soccer ball
naught101@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 254d
Standing wave. Earth kind of has one in the jet stream (3 peaks and troughs though, usually), but you can't see it with visible light.
xxce2AAb@feddit.dk · 27 pts · 254d
Aguiar, Ana C. Barbosa, et al. "A laboratory model of Saturn’s North Polar Hexagon." Icarus 206.2 (2010): 755-763.
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 6 pts · 254d
Get out of here with your real answers. 😜
I think the actual answer even with this source is, we sort of have some clues, but we have more questions too.
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 254d
It is because this is how these things do be. QED.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 254d
That’s actually the prevailing theory. A hexagonal shape is the path of least resistance for the wind patterns on Saturn. It probably really is that simple.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 254d
If only we could see other natural hexagons somewhere
naught101@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 254d
Unrelated though - that's a packing efficiency thing.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 254d
I don't think it's completely unrelated though. I don't claim to understand what's actually going but seems to me that whatever winds are whipping about there could create fronts that are sort of similar as pressure as what happens with honeycombs. In one it's just the cells themselves create the pressure whereas here it's the giant planetwide storms.
Idk.
As a an interplanetary stormologist. Or a geometrisist.
naught101@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 253d
The movement (kinetic energy) is the driver with the atmospheric patterns. There's no movement in the honey comb.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 253d
I mean, they lay round cells, but because they layer them tightly, they get squeezed in, and form a hexagonal pattern. Possibly drying also affects it idk much about bee-engineering, apologies.
bestelbus22@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 254d
Classic application of the "it is what it is" lemma.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 253d
Bonus@mander.xyz · 11 pts · 253d
Hexagons are just nature's way of making arrays of triangles.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 254d
What, you want to tighten the axis with a torx?
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 253d
A T10^4
ricecake@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 253d
Based on what I recall of the explanation by the person who figured it out: spinning makes fluid near the edge spin faster than fluid near the middle. The difference in speed creates a wave. Since it's finite and moving, the wave interferes with itself and because of math, makes a hexagon. Something about how the wave pattern changes density and brings different glasses to the surface on the planets.
Then they showed an example by spinning a bucket, and it kinda fell flat because they had to explain that a bucket isn't a sphere so you have to spin it just right to get it to work, but it did work in the end.
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 254d
You get hexagons as well when you drill a countersink bit into plywood. Something something layers.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 254d
Did not know that so I looked on Google.
Followed by every article talking about why the bits make hexagons, with videos and pictures.
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 254d
Haha I love AI! We're so close to AGI I swear bro!
Interesting, I've only had the hexagon thing happen to me in plywood, but it seems it can happen in regular wood as well.
naught101@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 254d
Presumably to do with vibrations at a harmonic of the RPM?
LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 254d
Yeah apparently it has to do with the bit sort of sliding in behind the holes it carves out with its blades. Doesn't happen with a regular drill bit because those don't have sticky-out parts.
DempstersBox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 254d
Incredible.
When my drill bits are super, super dull, they make smooth triangles. Like triangular shaped holes, with no true points or flat edges. If I get crooked while laying on it and drilling (not uncommon with a dull-ass bit) two lobes will stand out more clearly than the side I'm not leaning towards.
Not hexagons, and sure as hell not cones.
Now if they're sharp, it's just a fucking hole. Circular. Like they're supposed to be
Buy me new drill bits. for science
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 254d
I feel like I just got goatsed by Saturn
user1234@lemmynsfw.com · 6 pts · 254d
Isn't it obvious? Someone put a hex on it
Shaper@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 254d
This was the topic of an awesome old web comic strip, I believe it was from smbc. It was a debate of two where one would simply state the existence of the hexagon, with increasing amounts of slurs. Banger.
Shaper@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 254d
Yup found it: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2010-07-06
There's an xkcd one also, but not as funny: https://xkcd.com/2513/?ref=refind
vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 254d
Those are not slurs lol
Ulvain@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 254d
Because the fox made it into the henhouse.
Now all the hexagon.