I always wanted to be a fly on the wall when they named the colony (later state) of Virginia.
"We should name this place after Queen Elizabeth."
"Excellent idea, Elizabethia it is!"
"No, no. Virginia. 'Cause she's never... you know. Wink wink, nudge nudge."
I sometimes wonder why that isnt just "New Wales". Is there something so distinct about the south of Wales that makes it be seen as something distinct to name something after?
Deheubarth was punished for rebelling against Engkand in 1282 by being divided into the three counties of South Wales. Referring to it as South Wales rather than south Wales is a miniature act of rebellion in itself; the Welsh government styles it capitalised to emphasise that historical distinction; the Britsh government uses lower case to erase the distinction.
Interesting, I wasn't aware that Wales was historically disunited like that, but I suppose that other than the location, having a different language and one of the more interesting flags, I dont know a ton about it. I suppose I just assumed that it was a singular kingdom before being invaded by the English at some point.
Maybe topography, but almost certainly not weather, except for maybe 2 weeks in southern winter/northern summer where the temperature will directly align
Torpenhow Hill is a hill in Cumbria, England. Its name consists of the Old English ‘Tor’, the Welsh ‘Pen’, and the Danish ‘How’ - all of which translate to modern English as ‘Hill’. Therefore, Torpenhow Hill would translate as hill-hill-hill hill
Sometimes name it after a person, or some shit that went down there, especially if its not someplace important. Like its not the nightmare town, there's nothing particular about it. So it's susanstown, and attempts to discover local lore would find stories about the ancient founder that have been embellished over the years.
or invert it.. Nightmare Town is named because the founder had a nightmare the first night after establishing camp there, and nothing else. Susan's Hamlet, though had some real fucked up shit happen, is actively haunted and is the birthplace of the BBEG.
Reminds of the old story that I heard (unsure if it's true or not) about Torpenhow Hill in the UK.
Over centuries... various invaders and conquerors had come to that place and asked what it was called... First it was called Tor later on invaders added the word 'Pen' which was their word for Hill... later, more invaders came along and added the suffix 'How' which was their word for Hill.... and finally... it was named in more modern English as Torpenhow Hill.... which literally translates as Hill, Hill, Hill, Hill.
I don;t know if that's 100% true or not... but it's an amusing little story and given the oddities of the English language... I'd like to think it was.
Especially given there's a species of bear out there that's name is literally translated as Bear, Bear, Bear.
A. D. Mills in his Dictionary of English Place-Names interprets the name as "Ridge of the hill with a rocky peak", giving its etymology as Old English torr, Celtic *penn, and Old English hoh, each of which mean 'hill'. Thus, the name Torpenhow Hill could be interpreted as 'hill-hill-hill Hill'.
It’s kind of true. The last hill seems to be a modern invention, and Torpenhow Hill isn’t listed on any maps. There is a village there called Torpenhow, though, and that is Hillhillhill
USPS has a way of combining smaller towns and suburbs to the largest nearby city. In practice this is very useful. You know your friend is near Nashville, say, and the zip codes do the heavy lifting.
So I would posit that using USPS as a source in this case is not a great idea.
Some Celts drowned when doggerland became dogger island then dogger bank as the glaciers retreated. The sea flooding all the land must have been a surprise for them, no high land was high enough
That was a few thousand years before Celts were around.
Edit: It was also pretty slow; it was a couple of hundred miles across and took three thousand years to disappear, so it's on the order of a few miles in a lifetime.
Alaskan settlers wanted to call their new town Ptarmigan cause there were plenty of those birds around.
But they didn't know how to spell it, so they called it Chicken.
However, this is likely apocryphal, since it was popularized in the 1940s, almost 50 years after the town was founded. The most likely origin is from nearby Chicken Creek, as noted by Josiah Edward Spurr in 1896, “The creek is so named from the size of the gold, which is about that of chicken feed (corn).”
Half the smaller villages in southern Germany are named "Ried" which comes from reed and roughly means "swampy place". The other half uses some variation of the suffix "-höfen" which just means "this place consists of farms" 😂
In my group if the GM can't pronounce the name in one try in a way that makes it clear to us how to spell it the players with rename it something more like "Bonertown" or just "Dave"
Fun fact in hungary there are no two towns with the same name. Or at least thats what everyone seems to say and to be fair i havent found a single pair yet so im pretty sure its true. Quite a neat thing actually, if you tell the name of even a small town to someone, they should be able to find it. And because hungarian has its unique characters and structures its quite likely that its the only place on earth named that.
There is an urban legend that when the Swedish map makers came to Finland the locals would mess with them when asked what a pace was called and that is why so many place names have “vittu” or “perse” etc. in them.
**a dwelling** (of an animal), especially a bird's nest
fågelbo
bird’s nest
att bygga bo
to build a nest / to nest ("build nest" – idiomatic phrasing)
(poetic, extended from sense 1) **a home**
sätta bo
settle down
So it's a three letter word basically saying river-dwelling
I think rather than ask Finns what a place was named they just named them themselves. Perhaps because they were tired of the locals calling everything shit and piss. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The letter you're using y to stand in for is available on computers and phones: þ (thorn). It makes the same sound as "th" in "that". The other letter "th" replaced was ð (eth) which makes the sound "th" in "something"
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Susaga@sh.itjust.works · 93 pts · 247d
If only I had the self-confidence of the guy who went to Australia and said "this place is called New South Wales now."
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de · 48 pts · 247d
I always wanted to be a fly on the wall when they named the colony (later state) of Virginia.
"We should name this place after Queen Elizabeth."
"Excellent idea, Elizabethia it is!"
"No, no. Virginia. 'Cause she's never... you know. Wink wink, nudge nudge."
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 24 pts · 247d
tetris11@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 247d
I'm sorry, who's wearing the hat?
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 6 pts · 247d
tomiant@piefed.social · 2 pts · 247d
Hey, it's you, ICQ flower person! It's me, lolskull person!
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 247d
She was called the Virgin Queen
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 7 pts · 247d
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15367555/nick-fuentes-virgin-piers-morgan-gay-rumors.html
Apparently, some people like being called virgins
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social · 17 pts · 247d
I sometimes wonder why that isnt just "New Wales". Is there something so distinct about the south of Wales that makes it be seen as something distinct to name something after?
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz · 32 pts · 247d
Yes, Wales is generally divided into North, Mid and South (and Corner, as in Cornwall).
South Wales generally corresponds with the former Kingdom of Deheubarth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deheubarth?wprov=sfla1
Deheubarth was punished for rebelling against Engkand in 1282 by being divided into the three counties of South Wales. Referring to it as South Wales rather than south Wales is a miniature act of rebellion in itself; the Welsh government styles it capitalised to emphasise that historical distinction; the Britsh government uses lower case to erase the distinction.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social · 3 pts · 246d
Interesting, I wasn't aware that Wales was historically disunited like that, but I suppose that other than the location, having a different language and one of the more interesting flags, I dont know a ton about it. I suppose I just assumed that it was a singular kingdom before being invaded by the English at some point.
io@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 246d
it just meand the southern parts that fits to the theme of this thread xD
tomiant@piefed.social · 5 pts · 247d
Filthy north welsherners. They think they're sumtin. Well they're NOT!
Lodespawn@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 247d
Maybe topography, but almost certainly not weather, except for maybe 2 weeks in southern winter/northern summer where the temperature will directly align
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk · 15 pts · 247d
Pffft, he was plagued with self doubt compared to Cecil Rhodes who went to Africa and said "this place is called Rhodesia now."
pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 247d
Relevant Mitchell and Webb
Dasus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 245d
I knew I wasn't going to have to link this.
"'Wales'...? Really, sir?"
"Oh, yes. Don't you think?"
"What, the vast terra incognito with fauna and flora hitherto undreamt of by sights puts you in mind nothing so much as... Rhyl...?"
"No, of course not. Not North Wales. That's ridiculous, it's nothing like North Wales."
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 247d
Australia is also just called South. And apparently someone proposed the name Borealia (North) for Canada.
tomiant@piefed.social · 3 pts · 246d
Canada it is!
mitchty@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 246d
Well I mean randy feltface had a good bit on naming in Australia https://youtube.com/shorts/rvDzyPUBJUU
Not sure I’d buy a house in stabbyville
Agent641@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 247d
People naming things in Australia:
But you also have wildcards:
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 246d
I don't know, that sounds like a pretty accurate name for a lake without water
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 28 pts · 246d
Lol these sound like Super Mario Bros levels
Archpawn@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 246d
They'd probably go with Sandy Sandy Desert.
mosspiglet@discuss.online · 12 pts · 247d
Well, that would be very disappointing if your lake had no water. So I think they nailed that one.
MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 246d
Didn't you cunts also name a swimming pool after your prime minister who died swimming in the ocean?
psud@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 246d
We did indeed. The Harold Holt memorial pool
MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 245d
Classic!
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 247d
What's wrong with Shark Bay? I'd name every second bay I find, Shark Bay.
Rubanski@discuss.tchncs.de · 16 pts · 246d
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 246d
Oh I like that idea...
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 246d
The Powerpuff Girls happened in Australia‽‽
psud@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 246d
The city of Townsville, yes (it is in fact a city)
Agent641@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 246d
TIL Powerpuff girls is set in a place called Townsville
psud@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 246d
Tbf the blue mountains are blue from the right distance in the right weather, like most temperate Australian mountains
kyonshi@dice.camp · 1 pts · 246d
@Agent641 @zedgeist look at Southland in New Zealand and be amazed
Tamo240@programming.dev · 51 pts · 247d
Reminds me of
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 247d
Here is a Tom Scott video about it:
https://youtu.be/NUyXiiIGDTo
https://invidious.f5.si/watch?v=NUyXiiIGDTo
poweruser@lemmy.sdf.org · 11 pts · 247d
I believe there's also a Haversham Hill, which is also a hill hill hill hill
Iunnrais@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 247d
My d&d game tends to work better when I just name things like “The Nightmare Wood” and “The Old Hills”. The simplicity somehow lands harder.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 247d
Sometimes name it after a person, or some shit that went down there, especially if its not someplace important. Like its not the nightmare town, there's nothing particular about it. So it's susanstown, and attempts to discover local lore would find stories about the ancient founder that have been embellished over the years.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 246d
Derekshithispantsthereville
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 246d
or invert it.. Nightmare Town is named because the founder had a nightmare the first night after establishing camp there, and nothing else. Susan's Hamlet, though had some real fucked up shit happen, is actively haunted and is the birthplace of the BBEG.
Enkrod@feddit.org · 4 pts · 246d
My friends don't know anything about my hometown, so I just name everything after old street names or old parts of town.
It feels incredibly realistic, because it is.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 247d
Sounds like you are describing Palpatine's dick.
Anomnomnomaly@lemmy.org · 38 pts · 247d
Reminds of the old story that I heard (unsure if it's true or not) about Torpenhow Hill in the UK.
Over centuries... various invaders and conquerors had come to that place and asked what it was called... First it was called Tor later on invaders added the word 'Pen' which was their word for Hill... later, more invaders came along and added the suffix 'How' which was their word for Hill.... and finally... it was named in more modern English as Torpenhow Hill.... which literally translates as Hill, Hill, Hill, Hill.
I don;t know if that's 100% true or not... but it's an amusing little story and given the oddities of the English language... I'd like to think it was.
Especially given there's a species of bear out there that's name is literally translated as Bear, Bear, Bear.
TheOakTree@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 247d
From the Wikipedia page:
I think it's a hill?
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 246d
Unfortunately, Tom Scott has already debunked this
87Six@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 247d
Guys I think that place might be on some elevated terrain
SaraTonin@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 246d
It’s kind of true. The last hill seems to be a modern invention, and Torpenhow Hill isn’t listed on any maps. There is a village there called Torpenhow, though, and that is Hillhillhill
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 247d
I grew up in a village whose name roughly translates to "Bob's place by the stream."
quinkin@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 247d
I lived for a bit in a place that meant "Big nose".
Siethron@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 246d
Fantasy world names: scadrial, Pallimustus, Vulcan, Tatoine
Real planet names by locals: Dirt
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 246d
It was called "Earth" because we needed to distinguish it from Sky and Water, which were totally different things.
Moah@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 245d
But then the fire nation attacked
lauha@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 247d
Istanbul is literally "to the city" or in a way just "the city"
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 247d
Beijing is "northern capital", Tokyo is "eastern capital", and Kyoto is "capital capital".
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 31 pts · 247d
"capital_capital_final_thistime.jpg"
(Karl Marx's revision history)
DreadPirateShawn@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 247d
That's nobody's business but the Turks.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 247d
The Nullarbor plain sounds like an Aboriginal word, but it's just Latin and means "No trees" because there are no trees on it.
tmyakal@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 247d
Schenectady is "the place beyond the pines" because there was a big old pine barren between it and the next settlement over.
Mac@mander.xyz · 26 pts · 247d
According to USPS, there are 32 towns in the US named Franklin. lol
Tikiporch@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 247d
There are 88 towns named "Washington".
Mac@mander.xyz · 11 pts · 247d
USPS says Franklin tops the list at 32, but Washington is popular as well woth 24.
What's your source?
Tikiporch@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 247d
Worldatlas.com but I don't know how reputable they are.
Mac@mander.xyz · 9 pts · 247d
Oh, i see that. Interesting.
Maybe differences in what's being considered as a town? Who knows.
Pronell@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 247d
USPS has a way of combining smaller towns and suburbs to the largest nearby city. In practice this is very useful. You know your friend is near Nashville, say, and the zip codes do the heavy lifting.
So I would posit that using USPS as a source in this case is not a great idea.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 246d
Honestly surprised it's that low
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 247d
Lots of Bismark and Moscow about too.
MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network · 23 pts · 246d
Fun fact: Celts were originally central European, but the British Isles and Brittany were the only places Celtic culture survived the Romans.
IronBird@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 246d
that's not fun, that's horrifying
psud@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 246d
Some Celts drowned when doggerland became dogger island then dogger bank as the glaciers retreated. The sea flooding all the land must have been a surprise for them, no high land was high enough
MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network · 5 pts · 245d
That was a few thousand years before Celts were around.
Edit: It was also pretty slow; it was a couple of hundred miles across and took three thousand years to disappear, so it's on the order of a few miles in a lifetime.
psud@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 243d
I thought the Celts walked to the British Isles while they were connected to Europe. Guess I need to improve my British prehistory
mech@feddit.org · 21 pts · 247d
Alaskan settlers wanted to call their new town Ptarmigan cause there were plenty of those birds around.
But they didn't know how to spell it, so they called it Chicken.
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 247d
XM34@feddit.org · 21 pts · 247d
Half the smaller villages in southern Germany are named "Ried" which comes from reed and roughly means "swampy place". The other half uses some variation of the suffix "-höfen" which just means "this place consists of farms" 😂
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 247d
Oh and the Newtown.
CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org · 10 pts · 247d
New Town (2)
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 3 pts · 247d
Why they changed it ...?
poweruser@lemmy.sdf.org · 17 pts · 247d
In my group if the GM can't pronounce the name in one try in a way that makes it clear to us how to spell it the players with rename it something more like "Bonertown" or just "Dave"
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 247d
Fun fact in hungary there are no two towns with the same name. Or at least thats what everyone seems to say and to be fair i havent found a single pair yet so im pretty sure its true. Quite a neat thing actually, if you tell the name of even a small town to someone, they should be able to find it. And because hungarian has its unique characters and structures its quite likely that its the only place on earth named that.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 246d
Naming my main character "Alexander" and every time I visit a city I tell the DM to refer to it as "Alexandria" going forward.
Obi@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 246d
Yer da sells Avon.
underscore_@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 246d
There is an urban legend that when the Swedish map makers came to Finland the locals would mess with them when asked what a pace was called and that is why so many place names have “vittu” or “perse” etc. in them.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 245d
Also they named Turku just Åbo.
Åbo.
Swedish "å" is an entire word meaning;
"Bo"
bo n
So it's a three letter word basically saying river-dwelling
I think rather than ask Finns what a place was named they just named them themselves. Perhaps because they were tired of the locals calling everything shit and piss. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ICastFist@programming.dev · 3 pts · 245d
Fun fact: copper got its roman name because the main exporter of that good in ye classic times was the island of Cyprus (Kyprus, cuprum)
psud@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 243d
The letter you're using y to stand in for is available on computers and phones: þ (thorn). It makes the same sound as "th" in "that". The other letter "th" replaced was ð (eth) which makes the sound "th" in "something"
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 245d
One wonders how many inhabited planets in the universe are referred to by the locals as "Dirt."
tempest@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 247d
There is a Canada heritage minute about the last one
https://youtu.be/nfKr-D5VDBU
tomiant@piefed.social · 2 pts · 247d
Not really true. (the Roman misunderstanding part)
nocturne@ttrpg.network · 2 pts · 241d
Well that clears things up.
qualia@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 246d
To all the men obsessed with the Roman empire: you are to Republicans what the Greek culture is to Democrats. #generalization #butTrue