Pride for being LGBT isn't about being proud for being LGBT. It's about being proud of being yourself despite living in a society that usually tells them not to, or even persecutes them for being themselves. That is an action, an act of rebellion and truth in the face of adversity. That is what they're proud of.
Pride for being yourself openly despite others negative pushback and reactions is certainly something I can get behind! Just important to not confuse it with pride for being LGBT+ though
Maybe you should worry less about providing negative pushback and worry more about minding your own goddamn business you sack of shit. Who somebody else fucks doesn't affect your life one bit, so maybe just leave them the fuck alone.
It doesn't take work to be LGBT+, that's something you're born as. You could definitely argue that for many people in our current society it takes sacrifice to be openly LGBT+ though
It certainly does take work to be gay when it's societally unacceptable. Either you do work to hide it, or you do work to convince yourself that you're not.
You're right. In this society it takes work to be LGBT+. And if you do something based on that, it also takes effort, which can make you proud. But it's still not a choice to be LGBT+, and in other societies it would not be anything to be proud of, just as you shouldn't be proud to be white, or straight.
Lots of people think they should be proud to be white - so much so that we have the very post under which we are discussing this topic where someone is falsely claiming to be such. THAT would have made far more sense to use. It seems to me that you're telling yourself that you're making a valid point, but instead you're merely revealing your own bias.
Anything mediterranean isn't white in traditional American Racism(tm). In fact, even Irish people weren't considered completely white for the longest time.
The thing about the whole "us vs them" mentality is that you can always go more specific about who "us" is until you've got like 5 superior human beings and everyone else is subhuman.
It never made sense and never will. That's racism for you.
Which I find funny as I recall there was some crabbing that he posted that white incels couldn't get the pussy like he did 'cos he was part black.
Then that sprung forth an entire bitchfest that included photos of his crotch and size comparisons.
It degenerated fairly quickly from that point on..
Hitler had blue eyes, for what it's worth. He was definitely not tall (173 cm, about average for his place and time) and had brown hair. So he only missed on 2 out of 3 of those criteria.
This photo doesn't really help and to be fair most of the pictures I found of him online are shot in such a way that he could look like a person of anglo-heritage with a heavy tan. Adding more stubble, a baseball cap, all black clothes, and sunglasses in 9/10 pictures can do that.
Here is a picture of him in normal lighting. Also his name, Tarrio, comes mostly from the Spanish Peninsula and he claims to be afro-cuban.
Oof. I can't imagine the self loathing it must take to try to pretend I'm something I'm not. And not only that, betray who I actually am. There was a guy in college who had a confederate flag in his window with the words "heritage, not hate" dudes last name was ramirez. He was clearly Mexican but claimed he was native American and it was like, dude, that would be even worse! The simple fact that you don't understand the implications... Just wow. I sometimes wonder what ever became of that guy, just out of curiosity.
This is your regular reminder that the Proud Boys got their name from Disney's Aladdin, 2011 stage musical adaptation. A fact that continues to make me laugh.
And everybody answers, mock him, share his message… helping him staying relevant. This kind of jokes is not meant to be fun, but to be a propaganda tool, and if i read the answers on Txitter or here, it works.
These people live in the Opposite Universe, where shoving a dildo up your ass in front of journalists proves you aren't gay, and posting a photo of your obviously ethnic face proves you're white.
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glorkon@lemmy.world · 174 pts · 236d
"Pride should be reserved for something you achieve or obtain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth." - George Carlin
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 236d
Tell that to the guy with the 10” dick
BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 235d
Hey man I still have to maintain the heart that keeps that thing full of blood during strenuous aerobic exercise.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · -128 pts · 236d
Exactly, that's why you shouldn't be proud to be LGBT+
Skipcast@lemmy.world · 92 pts · 236d
Maybe one day, but one could argue that it takes active effort to be openly LGBT+ because of the potential harassment or worse
maniclucky@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 236d
This. Even coming out when people are supportive is rough to say nothing of a huge portion of the world hating you for no reason.
Also, pride is more about visibility than actual pride. About showing each other that we aren't alone and that it's ok to be open.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 90 pts · 236d
Pride for being LGBT isn't about being proud for being LGBT. It's about being proud of being yourself despite living in a society that usually tells them not to, or even persecutes them for being themselves. That is an action, an act of rebellion and truth in the face of adversity. That is what they're proud of.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · -47 pts · 236d
Pride for being yourself openly despite others negative pushback and reactions is certainly something I can get behind! Just important to not confuse it with pride for being LGBT+ though
HeurtisticAlgorithm9@feddit.uk · 21 pts · 236d
Yeah but it's actually not that important tho
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 236d
Why is that important?
Stabbitha@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 234d
Maybe you should worry less about providing negative pushback and worry more about minding your own goddamn business you sack of shit. Who somebody else fucks doesn't affect your life one bit, so maybe just leave them the fuck alone.
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 38 pts · 236d
Yeah no pride is about SURVIVING while being queer. Thats what they should be and are proud about.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 236d
You think it doesn't take work to be yourself when society hates you? Interesting take.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · -38 pts · 236d
It doesn't take work to be LGBT+, that's something you're born as. You could definitely argue that for many people in our current society it takes sacrifice to be openly LGBT+ though
FluffMongo@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 236d
Really doing some gymnastics to stir shit eh
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · -20 pts · 236d
No.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 236d
It certainly does take work to be gay when it's societally unacceptable. Either you do work to hide it, or you do work to convince yourself that you're not.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · -5 pts · 235d
You're right. In this society it takes work to be LGBT+. And if you do something based on that, it also takes effort, which can make you proud. But it's still not a choice to be LGBT+, and in other societies it would not be anything to be proud of, just as you shouldn't be proud to be white, or straight.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 235d
That's right. We strive to one day no longer need lgbtq pride. That's the goal.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 235d
Takes work to SURVIVE the shame and world people like you create.
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 17 pts · 236d
Ahh, so you finally admit being LGBT+ ISN'T A "CHOICE," but instead who you actually are at birth!
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · -12 pts · 236d
That premise is central to my syllogism
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 6 pts · 236d
So then why specifically mention LGBTT+?
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · -9 pts · 235d
Oh, I specifically mentioned it because lots of people seem to think you can and should be proud to be LGBT+, eg 'pride' month and everything
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 4 pts · 235d
Lots of people think they should be proud to be white - so much so that we have the very post under which we are discussing this topic where someone is falsely claiming to be such. THAT would have made far more sense to use. It seems to me that you're telling yourself that you're making a valid point, but instead you're merely revealing your own bias.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · -5 pts · 235d
You're getting me wrong - I don't think anyone should be proud to be anything they didn't put effort into. All I want is consistency.
robocall@lemmy.world · 93 pts · 236d
I've never met a white guy named Enrique.
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 236d
What about the famous singer Henry Churches?
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 236d
Just need to know where to look.
darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 235d
robocall@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 235d
This tells me you aren't familiar with white heritage racism in the US
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 235d
Anything mediterranean isn't white in traditional American Racism(tm). In fact, even Irish people weren't considered completely white for the longest time.
darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 235d
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 235d
The thing about the whole "us vs them" mentality is that you can always go more specific about who "us" is until you've got like 5 superior human beings and everyone else is subhuman.
It never made sense and never will. That's racism for you.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 236d
I know a white guy named Emilio!
wildcardology@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 236d
I would like you to meet Enrique Iglesias
robocall@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 236d
His mom is Filipina, not white
Leonardo_da_Vinci@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 235d
His mom is not white, he is.
robocall@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 235d
One drop rule
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 75 pts · 236d
Wait... what? He think's he's white?
He's as white as that Tate guy! LOL!
What a tool.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 236d
Tate definitely considers himself to be white
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 236d
Which I find funny as I recall there was some crabbing that he posted that white incels couldn't get the pussy like he did 'cos he was part black. Then that sprung forth an entire bitchfest that included photos of his crotch and size comparisons.
It degenerated fairly quickly from that point on..
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 235d
So does Clayton Bigsby.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 236d
I think this guy is just trying to avoid getting raided by ICE.
BossDj@piefed.social · 47 pts · 236d
He's blond haired and blue eyed, just like Hitler
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 235d
Except Hitler was blue-eyed, according to people who met him (including non-Nazis who had no reason to lie about it).
BossDj@piefed.social · 1 pts · 235d
TIL
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/rare-color-photo-adolf-hitler-shows-true-eye-color-date-unknown/
Gladaed@feddit.org · 47 pts · 236d
Mediterranean descent/red-ish skin is not classically thought of as white.
That's the joke, right?
Madison420@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 236d
He is by his own admission Afro-Cuban who identifies as white for some reason.
Noodle07@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 236d
I identify as a god emperor, bow down to me
webp@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 236d
I identify as slayer of god emperors... this is awkward.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 5 pts · 236d
Death to the Corpse Emperor!
worhui@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 235d
I see we have found the heretic.
https://youtu.be/MxeQjav4fUg
MJKee9@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 236d
Not wormy enough! You need more spice!
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 236d
And Adolf Hitler wasn't tall, blue eyed or blonde.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 235d
Hitler had blue eyes, for what it's worth. He was definitely not tall (173 cm, about average for his place and time) and had brown hair. So he only missed on 2 out of 3 of those criteria.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 235d
his own member see him as a token, sooner or later they will completely excommunicate him.
Knightfox@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 236d
This photo doesn't really help and to be fair most of the pictures I found of him online are shot in such a way that he could look like a person of anglo-heritage with a heavy tan. Adding more stubble, a baseball cap, all black clothes, and sunglasses in 9/10 pictures can do that.
Here is a picture of him in normal lighting. Also his name, Tarrio, comes mostly from the Spanish Peninsula and he claims to be afro-cuban.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 18 pts · 236d
Ah, a "one of the good ones"
Right up to the point where he's deported.
MITM0@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 236d
We call them Uncle Toms/Uncle Ruckus (or aunty in case of women)
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 235d
If its a joke its not even original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SjgYMLJW0k
saltesc@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 236d
Oh, sure. And next he'll he saying he's straight too.
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 235d
Oof. I can't imagine the self loathing it must take to try to pretend I'm something I'm not. And not only that, betray who I actually am. There was a guy in college who had a confederate flag in his window with the words "heritage, not hate" dudes last name was ramirez. He was clearly Mexican but claimed he was native American and it was like, dude, that would be even worse! The simple fact that you don't understand the implications... Just wow. I sometimes wonder what ever became of that guy, just out of curiosity.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 15 pts · 235d
Clayton Bigsby in real life.
beejboytyson@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 235d
And after 15 years he has the courage to leave his girlfriend, because she is a n****er lover.
switcheroo@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 236d
If you don't look like mayonnaise, white supremacist losers aren't going to be falling all over themselves to fellate your ego, pal...
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 236d
I use that reaction gif way too much on Facebook.
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 236d
Okay boomer.
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 236d
Gen X.
saltesc@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 236d
Only Boomers say "Okay, Boomer" these days.
SARGE@startrek.website · 14 pts · 236d
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 235d
I just say back "OK groomer."
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 235d
Self-loathing seems to be a common thread for them
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 235d
Why is the offspring of caucasian and a black parents always considered black?
thatsTheCatch@lemmy.nz · 10 pts · 235d
Because race is a social construct and whiteness is seen as the default that can be "tainted"
cabillaud@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 235d
Natanael@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 235d
Nobody sees grey scales
MITM0@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 236d
Can we goad some Charlie-Kirk fans onto his ass ?? It would be funny
Cort@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 235d
Onto or into?
MITM0@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 234d
Both is good
treesapx@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 235d
This is your regular reminder that the Proud Boys got their name from Disney's Aladdin, 2011 stage musical adaptation. A fact that continues to make me laugh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 235d
Bottom line, he's a POS.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 235d
"White" is a state of mind. We used to call it a different name though.
DylanMc6@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 235d
I DON'T wanna assume, but Enrique probably hates himself simply because of who he is, right?
Iceman@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 235d
Always a leopard moment to see the racist slurs thrown at colored folk who assume they can be white along the racist they align themselfs with.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 235d
IMO there's nothing wrong with being proud of who you are.
It's when you try to use that pride to show that you're better than people who are different from you, then we've got a problem.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 235d
Bring proud on ethnic nationalism grounds will pretty much always lead to the consequences you describe.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 235d
being "proud" of a race is stupid… you literally had no say whatsoever in it
it´s like being proud of having two arms (and pretending that makes you superior to other people also with two arms)
coronach@lemmy.sdf.org · 0 pts · 235d
I didn't have any say in having opposable thumbs but I could say that I'm proud to have them.
I get you, though. I can't imagine calico cats being proud of their color(s). They have more important things to do.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 235d
And it would be weird of you to say that.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 235d
are you opposable thumbs better than my opposable thumbs?
zloubida@sh.itjust.works · -24 pts · 236d
He's an asshole but… that's clearly a joke.
Rothe@piefed.social · 55 pts · 236d
Ah yes, clearly a joke by the leader of a nazi gang. They joke all the time about that sort of stuff.
zloubida@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 236d
And everybody answers, mock him, share his message… helping him staying relevant. This kind of jokes is not meant to be fun, but to be a propaganda tool, and if i read the answers on Txitter or here, it works.
bytesonbike@discuss.online · 13 pts · 236d
Nothing more manly than the founders of the Proud Boys shoving a Dildo up his own ass to own the libs
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 235d
These people live in the Opposite Universe, where shoving a dildo up your ass in front of journalists proves you aren't gay, and posting a photo of your obviously ethnic face proves you're white.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 235d
I'm not sure I even want to know the context of this