This is the first time that one of your comments made me physically gag and dry-heave. I feel delighted to finally join the club of people who have felt disgusted by your heinous humor.
I don't know, after seeing one of those pans with a proper shine on it in a meme, I'd love to see the colour changes from oxidation when you re-season it
Aye but that micron thin oxide layer that it gets looks magnificent, if you put it in an oven at the right temp you could get it coming out almost goldlike
YSK the finished PFAS in the end product like non stick pans is perfectly safe. The long molecules with strong carbon-fluoride bonds don't interact with biology at all. You can cut it up into tiny pieces and eat it, it will just come out the other end. Even if you were to implant it inside your body, it would do nothing. Actually materials like PTFE are often used for medical implants, specially because they are so inert and safe.
So why is PFAS bad? Because in the production of the long molecules, short molecules are required. Those molecules are a waste product after use and are usually dumped. In the past they were dumped in huge amounts. However these short molecules are very dangerous, they do interact with biology and cause all sorts of issues including cancer. The people at Dupont figured this out very quickly, but chose not to report on it. It took a long time for the issue to become public. With their waste material giving the company a bad name, they said they invented a new short molecule to use, which was much safer. Except it wasn't safer at all, they knew it wasn't and they again didn't make that info public. After they were found out a second time, the governments classified all such chemicals under the PFAS family and regulated all of them.
Unfortunately our world runs on stuff like PTFE, so it's still widely used, without any substitutes available. And we keep on dumping those dangerous short molecules into our environment. And because they don't decay over time (hence the nickname forever chemicals) they are here to stay. We've also found out even a little bit of it can be dangerous and we've dumped a lot of it into our water supply. So that's why PFAS is bad.
TLDR: If you own anything with PTFE or similar materials like non stick pans and cutting boards, don't worry they are totally safe. Since the damage is already done, keep using them as much as possible, so the damage wasn't for nothing.
If you are going to buy new stuff: avoid any products with PFAS as a waste product. Governments are working on regulation to make this clearly visible when purchasing a product. The less we buy, the less we produce, the less we pollute.
The first line of your reply is wrong, non stick pans are not perfectly safe. If we completely ignore the manufacturing waste, cooking in the pan at high temperatures, e.g. frying, breaks down and degrades the Teflon coating into a combination of hydrofluoric acid and short chain PFAS. This reaction seems to start to become noticeable at about 220C, which is practically guaranteed to be occurring an the intersection of metal and Teflon even at lower surface temperatures of 180-200C due to the extremely poor conductivity of Teflon.
We think current pans are safe when used according to instructions but it’s all too common for
someone to use it at too high a temperature, causing outgassing
someone to use it while it’s scratched or flaking, causing ingestion
someone to dispose of it improperly
But we need to start recognizing these are “forever chemicals”. We are adding them to our environment where they will accumulate effectively forever. How sure are we really that there won’t ever be problems, whether to us or any other part of the environment? How sure are we really that greater exposure over time, bioaccumulation, in every life form, won’t highlight later issues? Are we really that confident that we can afford to get in too deep, where cleaning and mitigation becomes impossible? No, it’s an effing stupid risk, especially for some minor convenience and when we have better alternatives
Yes agreed, all of the PFAS just keeps adding up and we know it's causing all sorts of issue. I hope we can get that legislation in the near future where manufacturers are required to clearly indicate what products have PFAS in their end-product or in the process of making it. Because PFAS is in so many things and most people don't even realize it. They might know about the non-stick pans, but it is in many more products, some surprised me to learn it was in it. If it's clearly labeled, hopefully people will chose the product without the PFAS instead of the one with.
We're long past recession, we're about to enter full blown depression if not already, supply chain collapse and more! Get to know your neighbours, share food, community garden and buckle up!
Leave the pan in the oven and set it to self clean. When you take it out, that stuff will literally blow away leaving a shiny new pan. Nevermind that self clean costs more than a new pan. Your oven needs a cleaning anyway if your pan looks like that.
I've worn down a stove and two electric ovens, about to go on my third, over the course of twenty years, and I always aim for the simplest of the simplest possible.
No pyrolisis function, no steam function.
Just plain convection ovens, ventilated. And if non digital models are to be found, even better.
I had a nonstick coated pan that looked like this... It was definitely time to throw it away and I keep having to wait for my prince in seasoned aluminum pan comes my way
Had a stainless pan go like this after a bout of the big sad, all it took to make it into a mirror was a bit of elbow grease, a scourer pad and some bleach.
92 Comments
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 152 pts · 241d
It's called seasoning you uncultured swine.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 48 pts · 241d
These people would try and polish a cast iron pan.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 31 pts · 241d
Or cover it in aluminum foil before they cook with it.
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 16 pts · 241d
Or clean out a broken in tea cup
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 18 pts · 241d
I like the creamy fermented bits at the bottom of a well used coffee mug myself.
That first cup after a vacation is divine.
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 13 pts · 241d
My father had this tea cup he never washed out. He would leave floaters in it and go out to camp for a week.
One week while he was gone I washed this thing. I swear to god it had mould floaters in it. Fuck he hit the roof when he came home and saw it washed.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 241d
This is the first time that one of your comments made me physically gag and dry-heave. I feel delighted to finally join the club of people who have felt disgusted by your heinous humor.
NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 241d
I don't know, after seeing one of those pans with a proper shine on it in a meme, I'd love to see the colour changes from oxidation when you re-season it
WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 240d
Cast iron oxidizes into rust so I don't imagine you'll see a nice patina like on copper cookware.
NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 240d
Aye but that micron thin oxide layer that it gets looks magnificent, if you put it in an oven at the right temp you could get it coming out almost goldlike
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip · 90 pts · 241d
usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 241d
Parchment paper
BlackVenom@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 241d
Alzheimer's when
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 18 pts · 241d
Wait till you find out about the PFAS in the non stick pans
Thorry@feddit.org · 13 pts · 241d
YSK the finished PFAS in the end product like non stick pans is perfectly safe. The long molecules with strong carbon-fluoride bonds don't interact with biology at all. You can cut it up into tiny pieces and eat it, it will just come out the other end. Even if you were to implant it inside your body, it would do nothing. Actually materials like PTFE are often used for medical implants, specially because they are so inert and safe.
So why is PFAS bad? Because in the production of the long molecules, short molecules are required. Those molecules are a waste product after use and are usually dumped. In the past they were dumped in huge amounts. However these short molecules are very dangerous, they do interact with biology and cause all sorts of issues including cancer. The people at Dupont figured this out very quickly, but chose not to report on it. It took a long time for the issue to become public. With their waste material giving the company a bad name, they said they invented a new short molecule to use, which was much safer. Except it wasn't safer at all, they knew it wasn't and they again didn't make that info public. After they were found out a second time, the governments classified all such chemicals under the PFAS family and regulated all of them.
Unfortunately our world runs on stuff like PTFE, so it's still widely used, without any substitutes available. And we keep on dumping those dangerous short molecules into our environment. And because they don't decay over time (hence the nickname forever chemicals) they are here to stay. We've also found out even a little bit of it can be dangerous and we've dumped a lot of it into our water supply. So that's why PFAS is bad.
TLDR: If you own anything with PTFE or similar materials like non stick pans and cutting boards, don't worry they are totally safe. Since the damage is already done, keep using them as much as possible, so the damage wasn't for nothing. If you are going to buy new stuff: avoid any products with PFAS as a waste product. Governments are working on regulation to make this clearly visible when purchasing a product. The less we buy, the less we produce, the less we pollute.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 20 pts · 241d
The first line of your reply is wrong, non stick pans are not perfectly safe. If we completely ignore the manufacturing waste, cooking in the pan at high temperatures, e.g. frying, breaks down and degrades the Teflon coating into a combination of hydrofluoric acid and short chain PFAS. This reaction seems to start to become noticeable at about 220C, which is practically guaranteed to be occurring an the intersection of metal and Teflon even at lower surface temperatures of 180-200C due to the extremely poor conductivity of Teflon.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 240d
We think current pans are safe when used according to instructions but it’s all too common for
But we need to start recognizing these are “forever chemicals”. We are adding them to our environment where they will accumulate effectively forever. How sure are we really that there won’t ever be problems, whether to us or any other part of the environment? How sure are we really that greater exposure over time, bioaccumulation, in every life form, won’t highlight later issues? Are we really that confident that we can afford to get in too deep, where cleaning and mitigation becomes impossible? No, it’s an effing stupid risk, especially for some minor convenience and when we have better alternatives
Thorry@feddit.org · 2 pts · 240d
Yes agreed, all of the PFAS just keeps adding up and we know it's causing all sorts of issue. I hope we can get that legislation in the near future where manufacturers are required to clearly indicate what products have PFAS in their end-product or in the process of making it. Because PFAS is in so many things and most people don't even realize it. They might know about the non-stick pans, but it is in many more products, some surprised me to learn it was in it. If it's clearly labeled, hopefully people will chose the product without the PFAS instead of the one with.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 241d
When grandma starts covering the used tinfoil with more tinfoil…
gigastasio@sh.itjust.works · 85 pts · 241d
Asafum@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 241d
Future archeologist trying to carbon date my pan:
"WTF is this thing!? There are so many different layers of carbon!"
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 241d
I honestly wonder if it’s possible to see what all got cooked on that thing by analyzing it in a lab.
“About 80% seems to be Totino’s pizza rolls.”
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 241d
It's for ritualistic burnt offerings of course.
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de · 55 pts · 241d
The phrase "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle" is in order of most-to-least good for the environment.
m4xie@lemmy.ca · 54 pts · 241d
Why? What's wrong with it?
Rooster326@programming.dev · 47 pts · 241d
Ignore it. This is BIG Pan propaganda.
Keep your pans. You'll be needing them. We're about to enter into a recession.
Banana@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 241d
About to enter?
Best_Jeanist@discuss.online · 6 pts · 241d
We've been in a recession for years
Rooster326@programming.dev · 8 pts · 240d
We've had one, yes but what about second recession?
If the US does kick off against Greenland. You ain't seen nothing yet
Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 240d
We're long past recession, we're about to enter full blown depression if not already, supply chain collapse and more! Get to know your neighbours, share food, community garden and buckle up!
stoly@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 241d
That’s when it’s most useful because now it’s nonstick.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 241d
And an unsuspecting seasoner! 😋
stoly@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 241d
And it takes longer to season aluminium!
toeblast96@sh.itjust.works · 35 pts · 241d
this pan will outlive me
tomi000@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 241d
By 'let it go' you mean simply clean it? Why would you throw it away?
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 241d
But the pan is really just a hot place to put parchment paper, so who cares.
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 241d
A bit of Bar Keeper's Friend and some steel wool will have that baby shining like new.
shittydwarf@piefed.social · 11 pts · 241d
But that's where the flavour comes from
snooggums@piefed.world · 20 pts · 241d
I like it when the flavor comes from the ingredients, not the leftover bits of rancid food bits that weren't cleaned off.
Points at well maintained cast iron cookware he cleans with dish soap.
davad@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 241d
Amen!
Waves clean cast iron in the air.
snooggums@piefed.world · 6 pts · 241d
I know that it is clean when the water just flows off the nearly hydrophobic surface! If an area stays wet then there is some food I didn't get off.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 3 pts · 241d
It’s not cool to be hydrophobic dude.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 240d
One of those MCiGA dudes - Make Cast Iron Great Again
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 241d
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 241d
No. Fuck you.
FarmTaco@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 240d
you can take it from my cold dead hands
P1k1e@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 240d
You tell em Taco!!!
halvar@lemy.lol · 16 pts · 241d
what? it's still perfectly good.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 241d
its seasoned
fubarx@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 241d
"Say hello to my little friend!"
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 241d
Just run them in reverse every now and again
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 241d
Got it. Put the pan in the low temp test chamber
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 240d
Naw that one heats up faster
Cypher@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 241d
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 241d
I've never seen a virgin baking tray.
I'm 40
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 241d
What you get up to in the kitchen ain't our business.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 11 pts · 241d
That is the pan for chicken strips and burritos and corn dogs.
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 241d
That’s just the tray that holds the rack I put the bacon on, it’s supposed to be seasoned in grease
seathru@quokk.au · 10 pts · 241d
And replace it with one half as thick that warps the first time you use it? No thanks.
stiffyGlitch@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 240d
nah bro that shit an artifact from 100 BC
CXORA@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 241d
Nah, these are always the best for some reason.
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 241d
Look at Mr. Moneybags with pan replacing money.
WraithGear@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 240d
just throw some bartenders friend in there and very lightly scrub it, it’s not the pressure it’s the action, and you will see metal again in no time
the_artic_one@programming.dev · 3 pts · 240d
And remove the seasoning?
Nomorereddit@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 240d
I can wrap it in tinfoil still!
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 241d
No, I use it all the time. I just used it today to make French Bread Pizzas. I actually have two.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 240d
Me too one bigger than the other.
baller_w@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 241d
I have the same model
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 241d
But mine are cast iron. Why would I ever get rid of it?
smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 241d
It's only getting good now. Time to put it in the will for the favourite child.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 241d
IDK, any used pans are now in the garage, for holding or soaking bits and pieces of car parts.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 241d
That's not how you season a pan.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 241d
No
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 241d
It's finally perfectly seasoned!
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 240d
Can't you just wash it?
kboos1@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 241d
WTF! Did you sneak into my house?
tonyn@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 241d
Leave the pan in the oven and set it to self clean. When you take it out, that stuff will literally blow away leaving a shiny new pan. Nevermind that self clean costs more than a new pan. Your oven needs a cleaning anyway if your pan looks like that.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 241d
Life pro tip, never fucking use the self clean function on a stove.
It kills most stoves and breaks them. The entire concept of the function is basically stupid as fuck.
It also causes more house fires then you would believe. Not to mention other problems.
Hell most user manuals for ovens with self cleaning actually tell you to NOT use it as it's dangerous.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 241d
So why is it still a feature?
qyron@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 241d
Because lazyness.
I've worn down a stove and two electric ovens, about to go on my third, over the course of twenty years, and I always aim for the simplest of the simplest possible.
No pyrolisis function, no steam function.
Just plain convection ovens, ventilated. And if non digital models are to be found, even better.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 240d
Oven cleaner chemicals are toxic plus cleaning an oven manually can be physically demanding
AA5B@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 240d
Modern ones document some sort of steam clean process that is not as bad, but I haven’t yet tried it
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 240d
This. Found it out the hard way. Toasted my oven and screwed up my cabinet finish.
deacon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 241d
How did you get this photo. This is an invasion of privacy.
ohlaph@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 241d
No.
CannedYeet@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 240d
How did you break into my house to take this photo?
Krauerking@lemy.lol · 2 pts · 240d
I think they thought this was rust.
I had a nonstick coated pan that looked like this... It was definitely time to throw it away and I keep having to wait for my prince in seasoned aluminum pan comes my way
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 241d
i love that patina more than my firstborn
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 241d
I just hate the insistence on using non stick on all of them. Dish washers ruin the coating. What’s the point of convenient inconveniences?
DarkCloud@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 241d
It's not black and leaving charcoal diamonds in the food yet though.
NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 241d
Had a stainless pan go like this after a bout of the big sad, all it took to make it into a mirror was a bit of elbow grease, a scourer pad and some bleach.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 241d
I have that pan
HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 240d
Not under my watch!
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 240d
Holy fuck, that's the best thing I've read in a while
diemartin@sh.itjust.works · -6 pts · 241d
We "disappeared" one in similar condition a few tears ago. It was my mom's, hand-made by my dad when they married almost 50 years ago 😬
Edit: why the downvotes?