Papers, please

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wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 179 pts · 203d (8 replies)

Some more evidence this is motivated by racism and evil (I know, redundant to say) is that if there was even an ounce of logic in these fuckers heads they would either escort the kid home, or tail/surveil him to identify his home, then grab the whole family.

This is not how you would run an organized campaign actually attempting to achieve their stated goals. This is intentionally causing extra emotional distress and chaos.

I know, I know, that's been the obvious case the whole time. Just had to get this scream into the void.

Like, I don't get how anyone could support this. Even the racists. If you want these people out why would you cheer for such an obviously horrifically mismanaged clusterfuck? Ugh.

Reality needs to get some better writers, this shit is getting too unbelievable.

mtpender@piefed.social · 84 pts · 203d (1 reply)

They're just straight-up Brown Shirts at this point, the chaos is the point. What's funnier to me is that they think they wont be given the "Night of the Long Knives" treatment.

Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 203d

Only silver lining is that it's right around the corner, I've seen paranoid dictator. I have yet to see dementia riddled dumbass brain paranoid dictator.

Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 22 pts · 203d (2 replies)

If you want these people out why would you cheer for such an obviously horrifically mismanaged clusterfuck? Ugh.

Because they're too stupid/brainwashed to understand how much of a clusterfuck ICE is. You really expect someone who thinks Trump is a genius to think through the logistics of mass deportation? Racists are emotionally dysregulated; any powers of analytical reasoning are dominated by visceral fear and revulsion that overpowers everything else.

Manjushri@piefed.social · 5 pts · 202d (1 reply)

They don't only want them out. They want them terrorized and brutalized. This is exactly what they want.

Ketchup@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 202d

What scares me more than that fact is listening to the conservatives my town is overwhelmed by saying; “I don’t like Trump, he’s repugnant, but this is necessary for our country to shift its politics into a better direction”. That my friends is a horrifying encouragement. Might as well say. “I dont want people terrorized and brutalized, there’s just no other way”

jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org · 6 pts · 202d (1 reply)

What's weird is if the point was getting rid of illegal immigrants... wouldn't in start in Texas which has a lot of illegal immigrants and where the citizens complain about illegal immigrants?

Why aren't the citizens of Texas mad that all this money and effort is being spent in Minnesota, rather than in THEIR state?

JackBinimbul@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 202d

They are in Texas. Texas has a massive concentration camp in El Paso that people keep dying in.

Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 202d

Like, I don't get how anyone could support this. Even the racists. If you want these people out why would you cheer for such an obviously horrifically mismanaged clusterfuck? Ugh

I think there's a really crucial fact that you're unaware of or don't want to acknowledge: the cruelty is the point. The republicans and their base don't care that their immigration policy isn't effective, the tactics are there for social media likes and to instill terror in migrants who may want to come here so they stay home.

The irony is that these fucking window lickers complain about how bad the "authoritarian" rulers are down south while actively cheering on an authoritarian wanna be ruler. They never cared about anything other than power and hurting minorities.

MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 203d (10 replies)

Law enforcement asking kids for ID for walking down the street?

And its NOT The Onion?

PsycyTuna@feddit.nl · 10 pts · 203d (2 replies)

What jurisdiction does ICE have again?

Soggy@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 203d

The backing of the Commander In Chief, Congress, and the Supreme Court. Written laws don't matter right now.

jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 201d

They have guns and they're willing to use them. They think that gives them all the jurisdiction they need.

MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 203d (6 replies)

Please. Imagine if this wasn't in a "first" world country. Imagine if say France or South Africa was doing this. The whole world would be complaining and shouting about how bad it is. But since the USA is "one of the good ones" we just turning a blind eye???

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 202d

France is a first world country

monsdar@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 203d

This comment is how you get a lot of complaining and shouting Frenchs I guess

bleistift2@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 202d (2 replies)

We don’t turn a blind eye. We just accept that that is how live is in a Third World country.

MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 202d (1 reply)

I love that America isn't turning a blind eye, but other countries are. Australia news (as fas as i know) isn't reporting the facts like this

TrippaSnippa@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 202d

It's the second story on ABC News, but it's written in a pathetic passive voice that doesn't at all describe the fact that it was a public execution.

cabillaud@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 200d

Ça fait réfléchir, hein, l'Américain ?

WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 63 pts · 203d (9 replies)

We need to extradite ICE agents to the home countries of their victims. Let them stand trial there, in a place they may actually face justice.

leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 62 pts · 203d (8 replies)

The home country of many (if not most) of their victims is the USA.

Sure, ICE are inhumane nazi monsters, but extraditing them to that god forsaken shithole would evidently count as cruel and unusual, even for the likes of them.

Not only that, but “justice” there is a tragic parody of itself; they'd inevitably end up back on the streets.

Don't overcomplicate it. Just put them down like the rabid pigs they are, and then go for the even more monstrous bastards that sicced them on the streets.

Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 203d

Ideally we'd reverse that order, but I like your energy

WoodScientist@lemmy.world · -20 pts · 203d (6 replies)

The home country of many (if not most) of their victims is the USA.

This is demonstrably false. Yes, the US citizens killed or violated by ICE are heavily reported, but ICE mostly targets its actual targets - immigrants.

It would not be cruel and unusual punishment. Here are the countries the US currently has an extradition treaty with (in blue), image from Wikipedia:

If you're wanted for a serious crime in any nation in Latin America, you will be extradited. If you go down to Peru, rape or murder someone, and manage to get back to the states before being caught? If the Peruvian government requests it, the US government will happily put your ass on a plane and send you down to Lima to face the Peruvian justice system. You probably won't be extradited for shoplifting. But for serious crimes, absolutely.

I'm not talking about deporting ICE agents to failed or war-torn states with no functioning justice systems. I'm talking about the kinds of countries that we regularly extradite people to. And this would be no different. It could all be done under existing law. Unlike your plan of "just put the pigs down."

Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 29 pts · 203d (2 replies)

The 10 year old was clearly doing violent crimes with that snack

WoodScientist@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 203d (1 reply)

What are you on about?

Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 203d

Nearly lethal levels of sarcasm, I'd say.

Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 202d (2 replies)

This is demonstrably false. Yes, the US citizens killed or violated by ICE are heavily reported, but ICE mostly targets its actual targets - immigrants.

[Citation needed]

Also, regime sources don't count as a valid citation

WoodScientist@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 202d (1 reply)

What's with your white savior complex? You really think the harm done to the handful of US citizens arrested or brutalized at protests outweighs the harm done to tens of thousands of immigrants? How many immigrants are dying in ICE dungeons or once they're cast onto the streets of countries they've never even been to?

How self centered do you have to be to think that cases like Rene Good represent the typical ICE victim. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. "The majority of ICE's victims are immigrants" is not a statement that needs defending. It was created to brutalize immigrants, and that's mostly what it's doing.

Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 202d

I quoted targets, not victims, galaxy brain.

I don't think ice is doing anything other than mass targeting minorities, they don't care about citizen vs noncitizens. And to the larger point, I don't care if the people targeted are citizens or not, I care that people are being targeted AT ALL, so you can fuck entirely off with your dumb bullshit.

Making it about citizen vs noncitizen is willingly giving into their narrative, and I'll gladly take heat from idiots to break that.

Furbag@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 202d (9 replies)

So the administration has quadrupled down on saying they are only going after thugs and criminals and narco terrorists and then they snatch little kids off the street? Because they can't prove they are a citizen? There isn't a single person on that ICE squad that can confidently tell me that they carried their identification on them at all times as a kid.

Republicans, what the fuck is wrong with you? Wake the fuck up and help us stop this insanity.

BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 202d (1 reply)

They also just publicly executed another person in Minneapolis this morning. Murderers.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/m1xOMR7R4q8

kreskin@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 202d

So killing people they dont like is normal now, and sweeping up kids and babies. Killing kids is the next ratchet, and then mass killing, and bingo, we'll have the worst attributes of both Russia and Israel.

eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 202d (2 replies)

Republicans don't see a child, they see a racial slur.

Most republicans are even bigger cowards than ICE.

Wogi@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 202d

Children are sex objects or racial slurs to Republicans. There is no in between and quite a bit of overlap.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 202d

These are the people that defended the Family Separation Policy on Trump 1.0. Despite the efforts of the Biden administration, nearly 1000 children were never reunited with their parents, and likely never will be.

Now that they are under the purview of the MAGA government, we haven't heard a word. The pretty ones have been sold into sex slavery for sure, the compliant ones will make good house slaves, and the rest will be turned into dog food.

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 202d (1 reply)

Every hang around a 7 year old, with all their 6-7 shit, and what not? They're ALL little terrorists.

Good think ICE is here to round up all these terrorist children and babies.

Sideshow_B00b@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 201d

FUCKING FINALLY someone has the courage to say this

I hope ICE goes after 3 year olds nex so we can also extinguish that disgusting joy of life -thing those little fuckers have

WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 202d

Lead poisoning destroyed the part of their brains capable of any compassion whatsoever.

REDACTED@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 200d

Don't look up "Kids in cages, ICE"

tomiant@piefed.social · 43 pts · 203d (5 replies)

Literally "papieren, bitte!"

Flauschige_Lemmata@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 203d (4 replies)

"Papieren" is Dativ. You need "Papiere" here. Grammar is really important to the Nazi party

Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 202d

Ab ins Grammatikkonzentrationslager mit dem miesen Verbrecher!

Blackmist@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 202d (2 replies)

I remember that from Medal of Honor on the PS1...

nomy@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 202d (1 reply)

December 31st 1999, my cousin and I are sitting in my bedroom playing PS1 Medal of Honor. At at the clock strikes, we pause, and step outside into the backyard. "Go figure" we agree as we see absolutely nothing has changed and life continued on despite the feared "Y2K"

MisterFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d

Like always, many in the media, who instead of being competent and asking people with specialist knowledge, blew the problem way out of proportion.

Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 42 pts · 203d

In the laaaaaand of the Naziiiii

And the hoooome of the depraaaaaved

FatVegan@leminal.space · 39 pts · 202d

In sophisticated circles, we call that a "shithole country"

horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de · 35 pts · 202d (9 replies)

Please can people provide reputable sources for random images like this? At this point, to me, it's just ragebait.

anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz · 65 pts · 202d (1 reply)

Seems the photographer Mostafa Bassim sells his photos on gettyimages:
https://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/image?artistexact=anadolu&phrase=mostafa+bassim&sort=newest&license=rf%2Crm
https://www.mostafabassim.net/biography

The text from the photographer on gettyimages:

MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA, U.S. â" JANUARY 12: U.S. Border Patrol agents question a person who appears to be a minor before arresting him during immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota, U.S., January 12, 2026. (Photo by Mostafa Bassim/Anadolu via Getty Images)

Here's another bunch of photos of the same boy (found on page three from the first gettyimages link):

TRock@feddit.dk · 22 pts · 202d

Great work my guy

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 202d
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 202d
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 202d (4 replies)
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Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 202d (3 replies)

Would you like another link to the same thing?

helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 202d (2 replies)
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SpecialSetOfSieves@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 201d

photos of people getting arrested and harassed, possibly the worst moments of their life sold for profit

I was in full agreement with your entire comment until I read this.

Tell us - how is the photographer supposed to support himself in this work if not via his images? Do you suppose this person is making vast wealth from this? You yourself acknowledge the danger of documenting what is going on in Minneapolis. Shouldn't we be encouraging people in this - or at the least, not work to discourage it? By this logic, filmmakers who make documentaries about the victims of war shouldn't be able to make a wage from their work, either. How about whistleblowers who expose abuse from within, are they allowed to make money from writing books about their experience? If you can provide me with evidence that this kind of photojournalism is leading to vast and exploitative profit-making schemes, I'll reconsider your argument, but short of that...

If you want to talk about the worst moments of a subject's life, consider Phan Thi Kim Phúc. At the age of 9, her village was hit by freaking napalm, and she was severely burned - her clothes literally burned away, and she was photographed running naked from the smoking ruins of her village. This image won the Pulitzer Prize, which undoubtedly aided the photographer in his career... and the victim herself hated the photo at first. I strongly urge you to read the article, however, because it shows how her thinking on this subject evolved.

The important thing is that these images are being broadly disseminated. And you don't even have to pay to see them, or form your own opinion on them. What more can we ask for?

pepperoats@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 201d

I watched this live: https://www.youtube.com/live/sjmfom1M7cc?t=5100 Border patrol turns onto that street at 1:23:44, stops around 1:24:30, are seen talking to him at 1:25:00, and have him in the SUV by 1:25:35.

The SUV he's put into was being followed for over an hour beforehand (same heart bumper sticker and plate # that are visible at 1:25:08 and 1:25:00 are visible at 8:19 and 8:31, when CBP is seen prowling around a Home Depot parking lot).

Border patrol seemingly just sees a kid walking down the street alone and whisks him away in about a minute. Can't really hear what is said in this video, but it does show that border patrol did actually take him, and this isn't just a picture of them talking to him before releasing him.

Waldelfe@feddit.org · 34 pts · 203d

Every morning I read the news from the US and am shocked by how much they sound like a homework exercise with the prompt: Imagine the Hitler regime happened today. What would the news headlines look like?

kreskin@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 202d (1 reply)

I hope the families of all these ICE "heros" see this pic and understand that their sons and daughters in ICE are shitbags and that they themselves utterly failed as parents and citizens. Any group that gets their jollies off of abusing minors needs to be dealt with harshly.

smeenz@lemmy.nz · 7 pts · 202d

Yes, but the sorts of parents that raise people who ultimately join ICE already know they did a shit job of parenting, and don't care. They don't need more proof.

Formfiller@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 203d (2 replies)

Maybe some people should wear a patch to identify themselves /s

just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 202d (1 reply)

That was exactly the point, jews were white enough so they needed those patches. Today when nazi are against immigrants, they don't need those.

And many people fail to realize that nazism has already spread far and wide. Lemmy is an exception tho

axexrx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 202d

My have to quit my outdoor job next summer so I dont get too tan.

JackBinimbul@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 202d (1 reply)

Good thing they have four armed goons for a fucking 12 year old.

NannerBanner@literature.cafe · 4 pts · 202d

Four in sight. Wasn't there that video recently with about 10 for a target clerk?

myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 202d

This is winning!!!! That kid is the mastermind behind everything Biden is doing!!!

MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 202d
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 202d

This isn't how our law enforcement is supposed to work we're not supposed to prove anything to them. They have to attain enough evidence to arrest someone. The burden of proof is on them, what probable cause did they have to arrest that boy? Is he going to get a probable cause hearing. Is that dhs asshat going to file a report?

Christ!

mech@feddit.org · 20 pts · 203d (9 replies)

Fuck ICE but this pic and specific wording sets off my gen AI Facebook bullshit detector.
Who took that photo and got away? The linked photographer doesn't exist. If they did, why did a different account post this, and knows what was said verbatim? What is the guy on the left holding?
What's written on his chest patch?

Edit: Correction - The photographer does exist. Can't find this pic on his socials (which are set to not show anything at least for the public) or his website. That thing on the left does look like a weapon (but I can't tell which), and there are no 100% clear AI tells in the picture, except it all seems a bit "off" to me, and too perfectly composed to match the very specific and cliche message text.

Fuck, this shit is getting harder and harder. If there's one thing AI is getting good at, it's lying, and manipulating social media algorithms in a way that even legit human posters are pushed to imitate its style. So stay critical even if you agree with the message, and please excuse my premature assessment.

Edit: 2: Pic is legit, sorry for the mistake!: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/01/ice-descends-on-minneapolis/?hl=en-GB

Waldelfe@feddit.org · 20 pts · 203d

The photo seems to be zoomed in on a smartphone camera. Looks to me like the person who took the picture stood further away and used a digital zoom. And the guy on the left is holding a weapon. The chest patch of the guy on the left is at an angle where you can't read it anyway. I don't see signs of AI, just a low quality, zoomed in smartphone picture.

Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone · 16 pts · 203d

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2026/01/ice-descends-on-minneapolis/?hl=en-GB

I can't confirm the exact narrative given but it does seem to be a real image of a boy being arrested.

Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 202d (1 reply)

If there’s one thing AI is getting good at, it’s lying

Thank you for summing up the key reason that AI bothers me, giving words to the off-putting feeling in my gut whenever I think about it.

Theft, attacking artistic integrity, energy-consumption, these are all things I've heard and seen people say against it. But the simple fact is that AI is a liar, and it's muddying the line between truth and fiction in a way that no propaganda can match. It's insidious, it's powerful, and it's everywhere. It sprung up in a time and place where reality was already under attack and poured fuel onto the fire of rampant disinformation.

archonet@lemy.lol · 2 pts · 202d

worse than a liar; a liar makes you doubt everything the liar says, but generally you don't lose faith in all information as a result of one person being full of shit.

AI doesn't just lie, it lies often enough, convincingly enough, and is ubiquitous enough now that it dilutes the truth and makes everyone (like OP) question harder the validity of everything they see -- or, more easily, start believing in nothing outright.

LLMs are neat tools, if very flawed ones, but image/video genAI is a fucking Torment Nexus that should not have been made.

blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 202d

Ya'll realize there are still way more regular images and videos than there are people trying to ragebait shooped ai slop right?

I swear even on reddit people claim the most inocuous shit as AI, or even worse, think good old fashioned special effects aren't real.

Captain Disillusion got out at a good time.

MrMetaKopos@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 203d (2 replies)

nomy@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 202d (1 reply)

It's a rental vehicle, or the wife is only slightly less bigoted (or likes to appear that way.)

MrMetaKopos@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 202d

Lol

theacharnian@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 202d

Thank you for your service 🫡

pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 202d (1 reply)

required items for your kids to bring when going outside alone in the second trump term.

  1. grenade (use whatever you can get)
  2. estonian M1938 mosin-nagant variant
  3. M1940-63 helmet
  4. M60E6 machine gun
  5. NLAW anti-tank missile launcher
  6. yakutian knife

optional items

  1. THeMIS Unmanned Ground Vehicle
  2. CZ P-10 C
  3. RBS 70 (Robotsystem 70) MANPADS system

:3

SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 202d

You forgot lunch money

NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 202d (3 replies)

Papers, please.

Agent641@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 202d (1 reply)

Glory to Arstoska!

rockettaco37@feddit.nu · 3 pts · 202d

Hi from East Grestin...

Victoriathecompact@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 202d

scary shit

Shamber@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 202d

They just killed a 37 year old man in minneapolis, this shit keeps getting worse by the minute

Almacca@aussie.zone · 16 pts · 202d (1 reply)

That kid doesn't look like the 'worst of the worst' to me.

smeenz@lemmy.nz · 9 pts · 202d

Hey, he might not have bribed Trump this week. Makes him scum of the earth.

plateee@piefed.social · 14 pts · 203d

Well, obviously that kid was the kingpin of the twin cities snack thieving ring that's been terrorizing good, honest Americans for the past (how old was he?) let's say, 4 years?

I for one am so happy that the most dangerous are the only ones getting caught up in this totally legitimate and not at all fascist policing!

/s

BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 14 pts · 202d (1 reply)

They KIDNAPPED a Child in Plain Daylight? At LEAST Kristi Noem and The Trump Administration are doing EVERYTHING in Their Powers to ENSURE that these Kids are Well taken care of by Trained Professionals and ARENT being Sent to Private Prisons that Law Enforcement and Lawmakers ARENT Allowed into! And it's probably JUST a Coincidence they've DEFUND the Part of the FBI INVESTIGATING Child Sex Crimes!

Jerkface@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 202d

I just want to add that nobody kidnaps and abuses children to hide the fact that they kidnapped and abused children. It's got to be way worse.

WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 202d (1 reply)

Well, at this point, America has no spine whatsoever, if they can kidnap and rape your kids in broad daylight, what is there to live for?

Anyway, they aren't normal nazis that are after inferior races, or whatever bs they want. These people are actively after the deaths of their own citizens, all of them. Because they want to EXTERMINATE humanity.

stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 202d

They might lose jobs though. The boss won’t like it.

wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 202d

That's so fucked up.

Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 202d

Backward ass 3rd World dump and MAGA calls this shit winning.

fulcrummed@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 203d (2 replies)

Nice juxtaposition - the pride hearts on the car in the background. Part of the profiling orders one assumes.

Deceptichum@quokk.au · 14 pts · 203d (1 reply)
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fulcrummed@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 202d

Oh, they hopped out of it… Good grief.

NoodlePoint@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 201d (1 reply)

REDACTED@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 200d

The kid looks white tho. The people being killed are white too. ICE are terrorist organization

stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 203d

Americans abusing their children again ay?

pir8t0x@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 202d (1 reply)

The US is crazy 😶

kreskin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 202d
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couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 203d (5 replies)

He even had the pants

wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 203d (4 replies)

Clearly MS-13.

Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 203d (3 replies)

I don't see any times new roman numbers tattood on this one, are we the baddies?

wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 202d (2 replies)

Why do you think he's wearing long sleeves?

We can safely assume that anyone wearing clothes is only doing it to cover up international terrorist organization tatoos. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 202d (1 reply)

Thanks I hate it. I can actually hear some of my family members saying this shit

wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 202d

Those stuffed shirts in DC aren't giving Americans what they need, that's why Trump had to come in and kick them into gear!

How are we ever supposed to feel safe when these people can be walking around with concealed weapons, drugs, gang affiliation signs, and tattoos that we can't see because they hide them under clothes? You see these people, they're not from here. They don't belong here, and you can never know what they're carrying or what they'll do!

We need our lawmakers to step up! If these people could be hiding weapons dangerous to the American people under their clothes, then they shouldn't have clothes!

They come in here with their drugs, poisoning the American people, with their knives and guns hurting the American people! Hunting us for sport! You know, some very smart people have told me- the smartest people, well traveled people who know the world- there are towns out there where these people mount the heads of what they've hunted on the walls!

Horrible, evil people coming here, hunting us for sport, desecrating our bodies, and taking our heads as sick twisted trophies!

Using weapons and drugs they hide under their clothes!

That's why we need DC to pass this law: for the safety of the American people! No longer will we allow these foreign criminals to wear clothes on our soil!

::: spoiler /shitpost This is way too easy to do, and honestly pretty fun. I can totally see how someone with no ethics or morality could see this as an attractive way to make money. 🤮 :::

HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 203d

Us citizen here, I don't mind if he gets a snack. You should let him g, then go fuck yourselves.

robocall@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 203d (4 replies)

What snack did he have?

JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 203d (3 replies)

A succulent Chinese meal

edgemaster72@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 203d (2 replies)

I see that you know your judo well

Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 203d (1 reply)

GET YOUR HAND OFF MY PENIS!

And009@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 203d

Pit in on mine please

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 202d

"Ihre papiere, bitte."

DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 201d

That kid is gonna organize

rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 199d

A wee bit sad that people say this now when immigrants have pretty much always been legally required to have their papers. It is shit but has always been shit.

Hell even in Ireland a legal alien must always have their residence permit with them.

OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 202d (6 replies)

Can all the white people go back to Europe please?

phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 202d

Racism is the best, isn't it?

Hozerkiller@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 202d (2 replies)

Yes I'm sure racism will end if we add more racism.

OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 201d (1 reply)

No I mean I'm flipping the rheotric that racists use to make a point. Like people have told my mom to go back to her own country. I'm badly pointing out the hypocrisy. Of course I don't want Americans to leave their homes. It's not obvious I'm not serious

Hozerkiller@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 201d

It's not outlandish enough to be obviously sarcasm or ironic. That's an actual opinion a "reasonable" but bigoted person might have.

pulsey@feddit.org · 1 pts · 202d (1 reply)

We dont want them, maybe put them on the moon or somewhere else.

phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 202d

Yay racism!

bigmamoth@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 202d (55 replies)

in my country every citizen is required by law to have paper that allow identification. Glad to learn im not in a free country. For thoses curious it s an european country.

nomy@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 202d (10 replies)

Do you have to identify yourself/show your papers on-demand?

bigmamoth@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 202d (9 replies)

yes, specially to police officers. If i dont have them i can be detain in a police station the time they proceed to my identification

nomy@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 202d (6 replies)

So cops can just walk up and say "hey show me your papers!" and you have to comply? Lots of us have issues with that. What if you're at a protest or some other decidedly anti-statusquo do you still have to identify yourself? What obligations do the police have? Do they have to identify themselves (name/badge) or is it enough to wear a uniform?

WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 202d

You are talking rights and reason now!?!

Only force matters here. How to starve them, drain them, terrorize them, and if needed...kill them.

bigmamoth@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 202d (4 replies)

you can refuse, but then police can detain you. Im not aware of police having the obligation to identify themself and i never saw them doing that. As far i know them having the uniform is enough.

DeadDigger@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 202d (3 replies)

I mean I don't know where you are from but at least where I live they have to identify if asked to and they can't just detain you without cause. While cause can be pretty broad, like there was a crime in the neighborhood, it can't be "we don't like your face".

bigmamoth@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 202d (2 replies)

In france. Cause can be you dont present an id.

nomy@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 202d

Interesting, the United States is geographically very dispersed (the state of Texas is roughly the same geographic size as France) so carrying documents for internal travel makes less sense.

Thanks for contributing to the discussion, I gave you a couple upvotes to cancel out the haters (not that those matter here).

TRock@feddit.dk · 1 pts · 202d (1 reply)

What kind of documentation and what country?

bigmamoth@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 202d

id and france

jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 202d (27 replies)

Do you require those papers walking down the sidewalk? Do children need those papers when running around outside doing kid things?

bigmamoth@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 202d (26 replies)

yes in some case. https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F1036

You will see that there is a mention of shengen, this is directly tied to immigration

jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 202d (19 replies)

"this is directly tied to immigration"

I don't see why that makes things better, just shows that the source of the lost freedom is bigotry and hate.

bigmamoth@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 202d (18 replies)

just to make the point it isnt extraordinry to have thoses laws. Immigration control is tied to a lot of issue, that the direct benificiary are the citizen.

jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 202d (17 replies)

Yes, right wing bigotry is everywhere.

Cheering the loss of your freedom because you hate immigrants is pathetic.

bigmamoth@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 202d (16 replies)

that wasnt my point. these law are the consequence of immigration because it wasnt control in the first place. i never had to decline identity in place where immigration where inexistent, but i had to in place where it was high.

jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 202d

That wasn't the point you were trying to make, but it was the point you made.

Because of anti-immigration bigotry, you now have to prepare to prove your right to walk down the street. And because of anti-immigration bigotry, you're ok with that.

jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 202d (5 replies)

I'm sorry. That's very sad.

As a kid I ran freely around the neighborhood and my family never had to worry that I had taken my identification with me. Never had to worry that it might fall out of my pocket.

bigmamoth@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 202d (4 replies)

same, until i got to a city where drug traffic was high and i got controll a lot where before it never happened to me

jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 202d (3 replies)

I'm sorry your kids have to fear police now. Maybe you should speak up to your government to change things rather than just lick the boot.

bigmamoth@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 202d (2 replies)

tbh i fear drug traffic a lot more than police. Nasty shit happened bc of it. Police werent always nice but they never mistreat me and while i dont like being subject to those control it s not like i fear them

jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 202d

But the bigots have taught you to fear the immigrants even more, I guess. Because "papers please" does nothing to solve the drug problem.

I hope you escape this bigotry, and learn to be a better person.

Then demand your government make the police treat you like a person

Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 202d (12 replies)
jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 202d

Bigmouth is happy to fit the whole boot in their mouth

bigmamoth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 202d (10 replies)

bro didnt even read the second ligne

Néanmoins, si vous êtes soumis à un contrôle d'identité, la procédure sera plus longue si vous ne pouvez pas présenter de pièce d'identité.

Si vous refusez ou si vous ne pouvez pas justifier votre identité, vous pouvez être retenu, sur place ou au commissariat de police, pour une vérification.

Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 202d (9 replies)

Try to wiggle your way out of it all you want. Potentially having to undergo a more difficult procedure does not equal a legal duty to have identification. Your claim

in my country every citizen is required by law to have paper that allow identification

Is simply false. It's a lie to support your position.

bigmamoth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 202d (8 replies)

so tell me what hapen if police control me and i can't proove my identity (cause i dont have my paper on me) ?

Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 202d (7 replies)

As you cited, your identity will be established at the station. Just admit to your lie instead of trying weird distraction tactics.

bigmamoth@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 202d (6 replies)

so you get detained by the police. Thank you

Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · -1 pts · 202d

Just saying "thank you" like you had a good gotcha moment, doesn't change the situation here. You got caught in a lie and you have no point.

balsoft@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 202d (2 replies)

I don't know why the downvotes. Yeah, this is how it works in many (most?) parts of the world, legally speaking the police can require you to show papers or get detained. In the EU it's a bit easier because "papers" is typically either your driving license or just a small plastic card with identification info which easily fits into a wallet or a phone case. E.g. in Russia you are required to always carry an A6-sized paper "passport book" (!) which contains a lot of info about you (name, place of birth, place of permanent residence, place of temporary residence, marital status, children, etc) and present it to the police when asked.

If the definition of a free country is "police can't force you to present a valid ID while in a public place" then I doubt there are many "free countries" on earth at all.

I agree that it's kinda dumb and it sucks, IMO the police should have at the very least a reasonable suspicion of some criminal activity in order to arrest you, but it's not unique to the US.

notabot@piefed.social · 3 pts · 202d

IMO the police should have at the very least a reasonable suspicion of some criminal activity in order to arrest you

IMO the police should have at the very least a reasonable suspicion of some criminal activity in order to even ask you to identify yourself, let alone arrest you.

bigmamoth@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 202d

here they are lenient with it. A picture on your phone is enough and you also have gouvernement app that can be use. I dont feel like my freedom is impeach because of it