There seems to be some confusion among the commenters here. Delcy Rodríguez is not María Machado. Machado is the one who got the Nobel Peace Prize and is not acting president of Venezuela. Delcy Rodríguez is the former Vice President who took over.
She is a hardcore Communist. Her father was a guerilla leader in the Venezuelan jungle. It was obvious to anybody, that she would betray Trump at the first oppurtunity. However being able to sell oil to the US and pay some money to Trump directly via some Qatari payment scheme is still much better then having full blown sanctions on Venezuela. Rodriguez is also a realists and understands that this is actually an oppurtunity to strengthen the country, if it is played smartly.
Not really. This is as basic as governments get. She says this for her base and people but also is doing what America wants behind the scene. Come on guys. Is this your first government or what?
may or may not be true. the source is 'four sources involved at high levels', which does not inspire confidence, especially if those are americans with a vested interest in the Venezuelan people turning on Rodriguez so that they can easily install their own person if need be.
Well, yeah, it was pretty obvious that Trump did not control Venezuela since he has no troops on the ground.
He's just been threathening the current Venezuelan leadership with personally getting the same fate as Maduro, but that's not at all the same as controlling the actual country.
No amount of struting like some prized rooster by Trump on this (like he does for just about everything just before he TACOes) alters the reality that a special ops kidnapping isn't anywhere near the same level of military commitment as an invasion and at most will deliver chaos rather than control.
It’s not even going to cause chaos. The country was functioning as usual within hours of Maduro’s kidnapping because support for the Bolivaran revolution is incredibly high and the project has created a horizontal distribution of power to help working Venezuelans hold political power.
Not to mention, Trump essentially has to keep that military force ready at all times to keep the pressure, or pull it away from other places he's threatening, like Iran. By the time the fleet is back on it's way Rodríguez just has to play nice for a while again and eventually mother nature, midterms, or whatever form it will take, will take care of Trump.
I think Trump assumed he'd already set up a puppet government. He made a deal with the VP, she got bumped up to president when Trump took out her boss. So, she's a puppet, right? But, it doesn't seem like she ever had any intention of becoming a puppet, and Trump has no leverage to force her.
The conflict is rather between different narratives being pushed. What are actual actions that she took cintrary to what she says?
Trump and a lot of the media wants to push the narrative that she is cooperating with the us... so we have to look at actual actions rather than misquoted words here and there.
Trumplestiltskin probably wants her to pay for his Gaza hotel scheme. So the money won't go to him directly it'll go to his satanic son-in-law Jared the Antichrist kushner. So it'll never touch Trump's hands it'll just touch by proxy. As long as he gets a penthouse with a view of the Mediterranean and a view of whatever golf course he puts there he'll be as happy as a fat pig
Trump is the antichirst in this. After all he has all these people wearing those hats with his mark of the beast on them that they voluntarily wear on their foreheads.
and convert their foreign currency exchanges to $TRUMP, build a few TRUMP hotel and resort complexes and lease all of the mayor ports and pipelines to the US…
What is she complaining about? All the countries in the world have been taking and following orders from the US for the last 75 years and have been happy about it. They don't like offensive comments from the current president. But orders? Just give us more!
"This is totally unacceptable. Venezuela would never take threats and orders from the United States. We maintain our sovereignty against such an audacious adversary. Anyway in unrelated news, we are opening up the oil industry to privatization to help stir the economy. I can assure you this idea was 100% of our own making and has absolutely nothing to do with American demands."
The Trump admin felt it was probably more effective to give the current regime a slap to let them know who is calling the shots, but otherwise leave the regime largely intact. If they can just get the same Venezuela as it already existed, just as a vassal state, mission accomplished.
Versus Machado, who was the opposition leader trying to ingratiate herself with Trump up to giving him her peace prize in hopes of having the US implement her indirect electoral victory in 2024. Trump administration has shown zero interest in making that happen.
I know, she was the VP. I didn't have her confused with Machado.
She conveniently happened to be in Moscow when the US invaded. I thought I saw an article saying she had been in contact with US officials shortly before her "vacation."
Ok, I don't wish her harm or any ill will. I just know that, in this meat grinder of international diplomacy, theres a cost if she tries to push back on Lord Farquaad's wishes. He's already promised he would harm her — like every other woman he's ever encountered.
Beneath the politics, almost certainly, Delcy Rodriguez and María Corina Machado both want what will benefit Venezuelans. Or, perhaps, they only want to serve their own supporters. Regardless, neither of these women will gain from participating in the Game of Thrones that Washington has engaged.
Also, Angela Means's quest to vindicate Felisha has merit. Much is assumed about her. Few, if any, care for her. These are the stories we promote. This is the world we promote.
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bilb@lemmy.ml · 136 pts · 226d
There seems to be some confusion among the commenters here. Delcy Rodríguez is not María Machado. Machado is the one who got the Nobel Peace Prize and is not acting president of Venezuela. Delcy Rodríguez is the former Vice President who took over.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 226d
And is also, according to Trump at least, also not the acting president. The acting president according to Trump is... Trump
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 225d
Tbf the onion is a more credible news network than that guy.
cabbage@piefed.social · 125 pts · 226d
What an incredibly absurd and unpredictable situation. It's hard to say who is in the more precarious position, her or Trump.
D1re_W0lf@piefed.social · 105 pts · 226d
Her. It’s her head that might go off next. For Trump is just Monday.
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 47 pts · 226d
History has a way of dealing with fascist.
It's Monday until it's their last Monday.
SippyCup@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 226d
It took a string of military failures, a famine, and a lot of dead Italians before that picture could be taken.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 226d
And 23 years of tyranny.
Scubus@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 226d
This is America. We dont do accountability here, tyvm
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 30 pts · 226d
One of them has the world's largest economy and military at their command and the other is literally in a room that the last guy guy kidnapped from.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 226d
Considering she's in charge because the USA simply kidnapped her boss, I'd say her.
trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works · 71 pts · 226d
Puppet government forgot how 2 puppet already?
MrMakabar@slrpnk.net · 48 pts · 226d
She is a hardcore Communist. Her father was a guerilla leader in the Venezuelan jungle. It was obvious to anybody, that she would betray Trump at the first oppurtunity. However being able to sell oil to the US and pay some money to Trump directly via some Qatari payment scheme is still much better then having full blown sanctions on Venezuela. Rodriguez is also a realists and understands that this is actually an oppurtunity to strengthen the country, if it is played smartly.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 226d
Betray?
bufalo1973@piefed.social · 1 pts · 225d
From Trump's POV?
ripcord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 225d
What did she agree to that she would be betraying?
bufalo1973@piefed.social · 1 pts · 225d
Maybe nothing. But...
axus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 225d
Everyone betrays Trump in the end. He must feel like a tragic hero.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 226d
Not really. This is as basic as governments get. She says this for her base and people but also is doing what America wants behind the scene. Come on guys. Is this your first government or what?
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 45 pts · 226d
Wannabee dictator does not like taking orders. Applies to both Donny and Delcy.
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 226d
I think we can drop the "wannabe" at this point
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 40 pts · 226d
Here come the bombs again then.....
Never, ever accept help from MAGA. That is your lesson.
detren@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 226d
She didn’t. You’re confusing the acting president with the woman that won the Nobel prize. They’re different people.
justastranger@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 226d
She agreed to cooperate with his capture.
brendansimms@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 226d
may or may not be true. the source is 'four sources involved at high levels', which does not inspire confidence, especially if those are americans with a vested interest in the Venezuelan people turning on Rodriguez so that they can easily install their own person if need be.
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 224d
Shit you're absolutely right. I mean I know they're two different people, but I absolutely mixed them up.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 225d
Well, yeah, it was pretty obvious that Trump did not control Venezuela since he has no troops on the ground.
He's just been threathening the current Venezuelan leadership with personally getting the same fate as Maduro, but that's not at all the same as controlling the actual country.
No amount of struting like some prized rooster by Trump on this (like he does for just about everything just before he TACOes) alters the reality that a special ops kidnapping isn't anywhere near the same level of military commitment as an invasion and at most will deliver chaos rather than control.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 225d
It’s not even going to cause chaos. The country was functioning as usual within hours of Maduro’s kidnapping because support for the Bolivaran revolution is incredibly high and the project has created a horizontal distribution of power to help working Venezuelans hold political power.
ClamDrinker@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 225d
Not to mention, Trump essentially has to keep that military force ready at all times to keep the pressure, or pull it away from other places he's threatening, like Iran. By the time the fleet is back on it's way Rodríguez just has to play nice for a while again and eventually mother nature, midterms, or whatever form it will take, will take care of Trump.
rozodru@piefed.social · 21 pts · 226d
Venezuela speed running propped up puppet government I guess. Usually took other countries a lot longer to get to this point. CIA is slacking.
SARGE@startrek.website · 14 pts · 226d
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 226d
We don’t need to speed run another country, the United States’ founding ideology is that the genocide of an entire continent is a good thing.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 226d
If my US intervention timetable is right, by the end of next month Venezuela will be controlled by ISIS
merc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 226d
I think Trump assumed he'd already set up a puppet government. He made a deal with the VP, she got bumped up to president when Trump took out her boss. So, she's a puppet, right? But, it doesn't seem like she ever had any intention of becoming a puppet, and Trump has no leverage to force her.
homes@piefed.world · 20 pts · 226d
Looks like Miss Nobel prize might have another crack at the office
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 226d
He hates it when you call him that you know.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 20 pts · 226d
I know who's getting kidnapped next!
Agent641@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 226d
Gosh I hope it's me >:3
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 226d
Wait, I thought Trump was their president now. He must have realized he can't kidnap himself.
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 226d
It was a brilliant, tremendous kidnapping, I aced it! That's why they left me in my place.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 2 pts · 226d
Standard procedure, have someone to blame in place.
tempest@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 226d
Strong mission accomplished vibes
skozzii@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 226d
I haven't known this woman long but all I have seen so far is her saying one thing and doing another.
She says she isn't going to just be a US lackey, but her actions sure show she is.
Best thing she can do is tell Trump to F off, and follow up actions with it.
zeca@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 226d
The conflict is rather between different narratives being pushed. What are actual actions that she took cintrary to what she says? Trump and a lot of the media wants to push the narrative that she is cooperating with the us... so we have to look at actual actions rather than misquoted words here and there.
Thor_Whale@lemmus.org · 12 pts · 226d
Trumplestiltskin probably wants her to pay for his Gaza hotel scheme. So the money won't go to him directly it'll go to his satanic son-in-law Jared the Antichrist kushner. So it'll never touch Trump's hands it'll just touch by proxy. As long as he gets a penthouse with a view of the Mediterranean and a view of whatever golf course he puts there he'll be as happy as a fat pig
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 226d
Trump is the antichirst in this. After all he has all these people wearing those hats with his mark of the beast on them that they voluntarily wear on their foreheads.
e8CArkcAuLE@piefed.social · 4 pts · 226d
and convert their foreign currency exchanges to $TRUMP, build a few TRUMP hotel and resort complexes and lease all of the mayor ports and pipelines to the US…
MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 226d
LMAO
Avicenna@programming.dev · 3 pts · 225d
Ofcourse she has to say that unless she wants a civil war on her hands. So she is going to act all tough and defiant.
TrivialBetaState@sopuli.xyz · -1 pts · 226d
What is she complaining about? All the countries in the world have been taking and following orders from the US for the last 75 years and have been happy about it. They don't like offensive comments from the current president. But orders? Just give us more!
mlg@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 226d
"This is totally unacceptable. Venezuela would never take threats and orders from the United States. We maintain our sovereignty against such an audacious adversary. Anyway in unrelated news, we are opening up the oil industry to privatization to help stir the economy. I can assure you this idea was 100% of our own making and has absolutely nothing to do with American demands."
zeca@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 226d
Have they actually opened up to privatizations? Or is it just talk here and there?
mlg@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 225d
Its currently a proposal that was passed in the NA, and they're debating over whether they should reduce the 30% royalties for certain situations.
Would not be surprised if it gets passed by the president.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 225d
Krasnov and Delcy share a lot in common, especially the dictator bit. Go to hell, both of you.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 226d
lololololol
These dumb bastards always, always think 'he'll never turn on me!' despite literal decades of evidence to the contrary.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · -3 pts · 226d
Wait, isn't she the one who conspired with the US for the position she now holds in the first place?
Edit for those who doubted:
Venezuela’s Delcy Rodríguez assured US of cooperation before Maduro’s capture (The Guardian)
jj4211@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 226d
No, she was the second in the regime.
The Trump admin felt it was probably more effective to give the current regime a slap to let them know who is calling the shots, but otherwise leave the regime largely intact. If they can just get the same Venezuela as it already existed, just as a vassal state, mission accomplished.
Versus Machado, who was the opposition leader trying to ingratiate herself with Trump up to giving him her peace prize in hopes of having the US implement her indirect electoral victory in 2024. Trump administration has shown zero interest in making that happen.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 226d
I know, she was the VP. I didn't have her confused with Machado.
She conveniently happened to be in Moscow when the US invaded. I thought I saw an article saying she had been in contact with US officials shortly before her "vacation."
Edit:
Venezuela’s Delcy Rodríguez assured US of cooperation before Maduro’s capture (The Guardian)
I don't know, seems pretty unambiguous...
Zexks@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 226d
Venzuelas acting stooge
eightpix@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 226d
Bye, Del-cy-sha.
Ok, I don't wish her harm or any ill will. I just know that, in this meat grinder of international diplomacy, theres a cost if she tries to push back on Lord Farquaad's wishes. He's already promised he would harm her — like every other woman he's ever encountered.
Beneath the politics, almost certainly, Delcy Rodriguez and María Corina Machado both want what will benefit Venezuelans. Or, perhaps, they only want to serve their own supporters. Regardless, neither of these women will gain from participating in the Game of Thrones that Washington has engaged.
Also, Angela Means's quest to vindicate Felisha has merit. Much is assumed about her. Few, if any, care for her. These are the stories we promote. This is the world we promote.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 226d
But she gave him the Nobel prize! Shouldn't they be frens?
Edit: I haven't had coffee yet my b
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 226d
Wrong person
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 226d
Thanks for catching that I'm not awake yet
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 226d
Not the same person.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 226d
O fuck u right my b
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 226d