I'm quite happy with local apps, but I could see the appeal for self-hosting if the server would scale for the client (ie laptop on the desk vs mobile phone on the road)
My first gut reaction was "Neat, but no thank you" but the more I think about how many clients COULD be using a cloud hosted privacy respecting platform instead of 365, I quickly bit my lip.
I hope they're able to move toward a client first renderer instead of the image tile approach they used previously. That was kinda a network hog and cludgy to use.
has it been a nightmare? I'm genuinely asking because I have it set up (with nextcloud master container) and although I don't use it very often, the times I do it seems quite alright
I recall spreadsheets being particularly painful on mobile when I’d try to select multiple rows and it would select way more at a time but would need to fouble-check that or find a screen recording if I made one at the time.
The main issues is there was a bug where if there is an open session for a document in Collabora (including dead sessions say from mobile) and that Collabora server is shut down in the wrong order, then all changes including if you click “Save” will be lost. A bug was opened for this and closed by making sure the servers shut down in the correct order, but I don’t know if that fixes cases where the servers a hard shutdown.
Love Cryptpad, but am I the only one for whom the loading indicator gives a bad flashback to early js framework web development where every website was 16 times the initial load time, 4 times the overall size and just more buggy. Website SPA or not have rarely a good reason to have a loading indicator for the initial load the browser already does that.
As someone who is slowly moving off big tech, are there plugins or themes for these office suites that bring then more in line with modern UIs for office suites.
I hate Msoft and Google but the gsuite has a nice clean set up. Microsoft less so but still doesnt feel as unwieldly as open office. I was doing a doc last night and ended up getting the chrome flatpak and signing into docs.
The latter is a long standing fork of the former and considered the "FLOSS standard office suite". It has a "modern" ribbon UI, but you have to set it like that, it usually comes with the "old layout" by default.
OnlyOffice is another office suite which brings a ribbon UI by default.
While not open source Softmaker Office mimics Microsoft Office the closest (and claims the best available MS file format compatibility, but I cannot say anything about that).
That'll be nice to see. I like Collabora but haven't tried hosting it. Opening that up and LibreOffice up side by side with the tabbed interface, barely any different. Maybe LibreOffice exposes way more buttons in each tab so maybe more intimidating but it looks pretty good compared to what I remember when the tabbed interface was first made available. Looking forward to seeing this progress
I'd love to see libre office on my personal nextcloud instance. That would be an easy and effective "feature" for nextcloud which could be adopted by many business. They're already running Nextcloud, maybe, for the digital sovereign.
Because you can use it on any device without having to install the whole app and sync the data separately... It's super convenient, and cross-platform.
I think Libre Office is fantastic and I'm glad to see the back of Microsoft. But I miss how useful mail-merge was and how limited it is in Libre. It's my only small complaint among so many cheers for Libre.
Back in 2020, those of us who had been using the OnlyOffice community document server were greeted with a notification stating that mobile editing was no longer supported and that we'd have to buy their commercial product.
Some folks quickly figured out a patch. Others, like myself, left with a bad taste in our mouths.
I think it has to do with a recent decision by OO to default save all files in MS format vs an open format ? I saw some post about it on Mastodon. I use LO
I thought that was odd too. Including the MS Office formats with everything else OnlyOffice can open is fine, perhaps even fantastic, but it's weird as hell to make it the default.
I mean... When friends or people at my work place plan a party and want to organize who brings what, they share an MSOffice or Google Calc link around, which allows you to enter stuff and see in real time what the others enter.
That would be nice to do with LibreOffice instead.
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Cyber@feddit.uk · 85 pts · 161d
Some new EU funding in the background?
I'm quite happy with local apps, but I could see the appeal for self-hosting if the server would scale for the client (ie laptop on the desk vs mobile phone on the road)
filcuk@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 160d
For personal use, being able to replace microsoft/google offerings with little to no functionality loss is amazing
Railison@aussie.zone · 43 pts · 161d
How’s this project going to interact with
CollibreCollabora (sorry!)?ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 161d
I'm not getting any meaningful results searching for that project. What is it?
tuckerm@feddit.online · 39 pts · 161d
I think they mean https://www.collaboraonline.com/. That's what's used if you install the office addon for Nextcloud, if I'm not mistaken.
oakcroissant@feddit.org · 17 pts · 161d
Maybe it was supposed to be Collabora?
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 160d
big_dog_lemmy@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 160d
My mood too.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 160d
That was actually my graduation photo, both times. I now look like that with just the top missing 😆
Reygle@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 160d
My first gut reaction was "Neat, but no thank you" but the more I think about how many clients COULD be using a cloud hosted privacy respecting platform instead of 365, I quickly bit my lip.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 160d
They say in their post that they won't host it.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 160d
(IMO) even better.
Give me the package to self-host it.
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 160d
Yeah, I agree with that. Give me a container.
Reygle@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 160d
Yes that's understood and particularly great, leaving orgs/people to self host. I'm all for it.
unmagical@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 161d
I hope they're able to move toward a client first renderer instead of the image tile approach they used previously. That was kinda a network hog and cludgy to use.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 160d
Yes please.
I'd love libreoffice in a browser, but the way collabora achieves it is abysmal.
fizzle@quokk.au · 9 pts · 160d
The screen caps on the original project page seem to imply a proper web ui:
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-online/
Hard to be sure but the menu bar doesn't look like the native menu.
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 29 pts · 160d
OMG YES!!!
This makes me really happy because it'll make collaborating with friends on things a lot easier.
conorab@lemmy.conorab.com · 26 pts · 160d
Fingers crossed this can be a viable replacement for Collabora Online with Nextcloud, which has been a nightmare.
gabmus@retrolemmy.com · 4 pts · 159d
has it been a nightmare? I'm genuinely asking because I have it set up (with nextcloud master container) and although I don't use it very often, the times I do it seems quite alright
conorab@lemmy.conorab.com · 1 pts · 158d
I recall spreadsheets being particularly painful on mobile when I’d try to select multiple rows and it would select way more at a time but would need to fouble-check that or find a screen recording if I made one at the time.
The main issues is there was a bug where if there is an open session for a document in Collabora (including dead sessions say from mobile) and that Collabora server is shut down in the wrong order, then all changes including if you click “Save” will be lost. A bug was opened for this and closed by making sure the servers shut down in the correct order, but I don’t know if that fixes cases where the servers a hard shutdown.
user224@lemmy.sdf.org · 26 pts · 160d
I was just looking if something like that exists yesterday, but got disappointed. Nice timing.
blah3166@piefed.social · 42 pts · 160d
Check out CryptPad.org, it's:
Only downsides so far is that the UX is a bit slow when first loading documents and there are no mobile apps.
EDIT: Forgot to add the important par, they recently added support for OnlyOffice in the browser, which to me, was a pretty big deal.
dhruv3006@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 160d
This one is pretty great!
jlow@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 160d
Wth, I never knew Cryptpad does sheets/forms, that's so cool!
vogi@piefed.social · 1 pts · 159d
Love Cryptpad, but am I the only one for whom the loading indicator gives a bad flashback to early js framework web development where every website was 16 times the initial load time, 4 times the overall size and just more buggy. Website SPA or not have rarely a good reason to have a loading indicator for the initial load the browser already does that.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 160d
fuck yeah. I'll happily deploy this to my stack.
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 160d
As someone who is slowly moving off big tech, are there plugins or themes for these office suites that bring then more in line with modern UIs for office suites.
I hate Msoft and Google but the gsuite has a nice clean set up. Microsoft less so but still doesnt feel as unwieldly as open office. I was doing a doc last night and ended up getting the chrome flatpak and signing into docs.
kossa@feddit.org · 16 pts · 160d
Open Office =/= Libre Office
The latter is a long standing fork of the former and considered the "FLOSS standard office suite". It has a "modern" ribbon UI, but you have to set it like that, it usually comes with the "old layout" by default.
OnlyOffice is another office suite which brings a ribbon UI by default.
While not open source Softmaker Office mimics Microsoft Office the closest (and claims the best available MS file format compatibility, but I cannot say anything about that).
domi@lemmy.secnd.me · 8 pts · 160d
If we're talking about online editing, Collabora has web editors based on LibreOffice but with a modern UI: https://www.collaboraonline.com/
They are really great and can be self hosted (e.g. with Nextcloud).
For offline editing, as already mentioned, LibreOffice has an optional ribbon UI and OnlyOffice looks pretty modern as well.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 160d
For a second I read OpenOffice instead of OnlyOffice and was perplexed how one would call that modern lmao
commander@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 160d
That'll be nice to see. I like Collabora but haven't tried hosting it. Opening that up and LibreOffice up side by side with the tabbed interface, barely any different. Maybe LibreOffice exposes way more buttons in each tab so maybe more intimidating but it looks pretty good compared to what I remember when the tabbed interface was first made available. Looking forward to seeing this progress
ilsimoneviaggiatore@feddit.it · 8 pts · 159d
Great!
I'd love to see libre office on my personal nextcloud instance. That would be an easy and effective "feature" for nextcloud which could be adopted by many business. They're already running Nextcloud, maybe, for the digital sovereign.
Anyway, thanks for your efforts!
UltraBlack@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 159d
Wasn't collabora trying to be this
pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 159d
3abas@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 159d
Because you can use it on any device without having to install the whole app and sync the data separately... It's super convenient, and cross-platform.
It's still self hosted and you own the data.
luftruessel@feddit.org · 4 pts · 159d
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 159d
yep... I write all my papers in Google because I can access the files anywhere, and nothing beats PaperPile for referencing yet.
tenebrisnox@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 160d
I think Libre Office is fantastic and I'm glad to see the back of Microsoft. But I miss how useful mail-merge was and how limited it is in Libre. It's my only small complaint among so many cheers for Libre.
titey@jlai.lu · 5 pts · 160d
Awesome! 😁
muxika@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 161d
I thought tools like OnlyOffice filled in that gap. Nice to see an alternative.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 160d
People seem to be doling out some hate for OnlyOffice because of its compatibility with MSOffice formats.
I may be reporting it wrong. I didn't get it at the time, either.
digger@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 160d
Back in 2020, those of us who had been using the OnlyOffice community document server were greeted with a notification stating that mobile editing was no longer supported and that we'd have to buy their commercial product.
Some folks quickly figured out a patch. Others, like myself, left with a bad taste in our mouths.
https://github.com/nextcloud/documentserver_community/issues/94
warmaster@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 160d
Plus, they are shady about their origins.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 160d
I think it has to do with a recent decision by OO to default save all files in MS format vs an open format ? I saw some post about it on Mastodon. I use LO
njordomir@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 160d
I thought that was odd too. Including the MS Office formats with everything else OnlyOffice can open is fine, perhaps even fantastic, but it's weird as hell to make it the default.
ulterno@programming.dev · 1 pts · 159d
This should open it to being used collaboratively.
Then I can convince wherever I work, to use this instead of going with other MS stuff?
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 160d
How long until someone uses a LibreOffice Online instance to drop a Google doc on someone?
TheHolm@aussie.zone · -2 pts · 160d
Why? Why anyone needs online version?
magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 29 pts · 160d
Realtime collaborative documents. One thing that comes to mind is notes for my DND party.
Would be nice to keep em somewhere everyone can access and add to, no extra client software install required.
I've been looking at hedgedoc for this exact purpose, but then everyone in my party would have to learn markdown, and they're not all tech savvy.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 160d
But markdown is so easy to learn. They can even ignore most of it, probably.
magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 160d
You telling me we wouldn't also find a good use for collaborative spreadsheets?
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 160d
"Just gonna add this loot to the party's inventory real quick."
ulterno@programming.dev · 0 pts · 159d
Only for those who want to.
Although someone playing DnD would probably not mind putting in the few minutes required.
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 11 pts · 160d
I mean... When friends or people at my work place plan a party and want to organize who brings what, they share an MSOffice or Google Calc link around, which allows you to enter stuff and see in real time what the others enter.
That would be nice to do with LibreOffice instead.
FirmDistribution@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 160d
isn't this the whole point of this community? ._.
loics2@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 160d
It's a pretty basic requirement for small business, nonprofits or pretty much any group of people wanting to easily collaborate on documents