You don't need a ton of money to do so if you're unskilled labor, and basically only a plane ticket if you're skilled labor. Contact people in perspective countries and ask about it. Japan is great if you want to start a small business, especially if it brings in USD. Vietnam is great if you want to be a white face for an english school, China is great if you have a degree in teaching, I've a couple friends who went to Germany (not from the US tho) for nursing and IDK what else.
Not just a plane ticket. You need to take into account visas (can’t just fly in as a tourist and start working), employer sponsorships, temporary accommodation and living expenses until you get paid, and other kinds of expenses.
Depends on exactly what you're doing. If you're starting a business in Japan for example, it's fine for the duration of your tourist visa, then you have to leave and apply for a business visa, if you're doing it in China, or Vietnam, you have to reenter on a business visa. It's very common to arrange business sponsorships in person in Vietnam on a tourist visa then reenter. IDK about China. Temporary accommodation and living expenses can be extremely cheap compared to the US if you don't mind sleeping in a hostel and eating street food.
But yes I didn't bother to include non-monetary things you'd need to set up, such as employer sponsorships.
That’s putting it lightly. Japan never really relaxed in regards to things like blatant racism and nationalism. In the wake of WW2, the Japanese government invested heavily in the arts to try and change their public image. And it largely worked. Overseas, the country is mostly known for anime and zany fashion.
But domestically, the country has always been extremely conservative and resistant to change. At ~99% natural Japanese, their population is one of the most homogenous in the world. And that ~1% of foreigners encompasses the entirety of tourism, foreign workers, etc… Japan has a saying that roughly translates to “the nail that sticks out gets hammered down,” and the culture definitely embodies that. The culture is largely defined by conformity and tradition, meaning even small deviations from societal expectations get heavily scrutinized.
This pressure to conform also means that Japan is extremely racist towards basically anyone who isn’t Japanese. If given the choice when hiring, Japanese companies will choose a Japanese applicant over a foreigner 100% of the time, even if the foreigner is just as qualified. That’s why the OP mentioned starting your own business if you plan on moving there. As a foreigner, you have basically no chance of getting hired by an existing company. As ann immigrant, your only real opportunities for employment will be in a stereotypically “foreign” job, (like teaching English), via international transfer, (like an American working for Toyota, and transferring to a Japanese branch), or via starting your own business.
And that racism has always been present, but it has recently started to percolate into outright jingoism. Their politics have always been a mess, but recent elections have swung things even farther towards fascism. They’re constitutionally prohibited from building an army, (it was one of the concessions they made after WW2, and they’re only allowed to keep a small national self-defense force), but they have politicians murmuring about building an army anyways.
This sounds like something that somebody who has literally never moved in their life would say. You need money just to move across states nevermind continents, trust me I have lived in 7 different states and 2 different European countries.
If you meant China or Vietnam, a dictatorship of the working class is different from a dictatorship of capital.
If you meant Japan, yeah things aren't looking great, but at least LDP is opposing the even-further-right parties?
If you meant Germany, after 5 years or so of working, you qualify for citizenship and can go elsewhere in the EU, which should be enough time to get out before AfD takes over.
Looks like it will soon be 8yrs and no option for dual citizenship. You also need native speakers help to navigate the bureaucracy. AfD will add more impediments.
🙋♂️ I left in 2025. It's great! Walkable and bikeable cities, affordable groceries, my health insurance actually pays for stuff, there's public transit, the food is safer, and not absolutely every I do funnels into only 12 companies.
I moved my family. When my kid needs higher education, it won't cost more than our home. I can send him out in the streets without worrying he'll be hit by a truck going 80. Active shooter or intruder drills aren't a phenomenon in his school.
I was watching a show called Pernille the other week, takes place in Norway, and I thought her youngest daughter was 14/15. She was 12 and walking all over the place. That freedom is just something the States doesnt have. my Son is 12, if I let him walk to the store (crossing a busy 45mph+ road) the cops could get called on me.
I used to bike or skateboard everywhere when I was that age, why do people think this isn't possible in the USA? I drive almost everywhere now (why would I pedal when I can twist a throttle? 😉) but still regularly see middle school kids walking or biking around town. Maybe it's just certain areas or people reading too much fear mongering news.
Where they started Nunya Business, which is obscenely wealthy. However, there's a fantastic opportunity where they need an enterprising foreigner like yourself to agree to handle a bank transfer processing fee and hold on to all their assets before the government takes it all and. . .
I wish I could as well. I'd be out of here in a heartbeat. I'm already single, live alone, work remotely in the tech sector. It would be nothing for me to pick up and leave. It's just not that easy to be able to move to a different country.
I remember last time I checked, my score was only like 350 which is far below what you need to be considered for permanent residency in Canada. Canada would be my country of choice in this situation.
No, they have a system of ranking you where they weigh all kinds of aspects of your life. Do you know French? Do you have relatives in Canada? Have you ever worked for anybody in Canada? Did you go to school in Canada? Etc. Based on these answers you get a score. I only scored a 350. I think the minimum is like 600. The highest is 1200.
It's primarily non-maga, with a heavy dose of scientists, engineers, and doctors. There's no reason for maga to leave, this is what they've wanted their whole lives
On a conference call last month hosted by Expatsi, a relocation company, almost 400 Americans signed up to learn how to move to Albania. The former Stalinist state offers a special visa allowing U.S. citizens to live and work there, with no tax on foreign income for a year, no questions asked.
More like passengers recognizing there’s another ship that offers more to life as long as you’re ok with lower salary and higher taxes. Life seems to be better and it is.
The word “rat” has such negative connotations. They are actually intelligent, curious and resourceful little critters.
Incidentally, the same thing happened with Russia. When Putin started tightening his grip around the throat of his people, many people decided to go. Among them, were many smart and educated people who could find a job elsewhere.
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Novis@lemdro.id · 61 pts · 168d
Wish I was rich enough to do the same.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · -2 pts · 168d
You don't need a ton of money to do so if you're unskilled labor, and basically only a plane ticket if you're skilled labor. Contact people in perspective countries and ask about it. Japan is great if you want to start a small business, especially if it brings in USD. Vietnam is great if you want to be a white face for an english school, China is great if you have a degree in teaching, I've a couple friends who went to Germany (not from the US tho) for nursing and IDK what else.
scytale@piefed.zip · 43 pts · 168d
Not just a plane ticket. You need to take into account visas (can’t just fly in as a tourist and start working), employer sponsorships, temporary accommodation and living expenses until you get paid, and other kinds of expenses.
subignition@fedia.io · 19 pts · 168d
And don't forget that you still have to pay US income taxes on income earned overseas! 🙄
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 11 pts · 168d
If you spend 330 days in non-US countries and pay tax somewhere else, you qualify for the FEITE on the first 130K+housing.
showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website · 8 pts · 168d
Not really almost everyone has reciprocal tax agreements. You have to file but you deduct all the taxes you’ve paid the local country.
Ironfist79@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 167d
Not if you renounce citizenship.
3rdXthecharm@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 167d
There's a fee for that, not joking
sprack@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 167d
You still have to file US taxes for 7 years afterwards to prove you didn’t renounce just to avoid paying.
daannii@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 167d
Only if you report your income 😉
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 168d
Depends on exactly what you're doing. If you're starting a business in Japan for example, it's fine for the duration of your tourist visa, then you have to leave and apply for a business visa, if you're doing it in China, or Vietnam, you have to reenter on a business visa. It's very common to arrange business sponsorships in person in Vietnam on a tourist visa then reenter. IDK about China. Temporary accommodation and living expenses can be extremely cheap compared to the US if you don't mind sleeping in a hostel and eating street food.
But yes I didn't bother to include non-monetary things you'd need to set up, such as employer sponsorships.
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 168d
If I somehow found a way to leave, it certainly wouldn't be to Japan. They're just starting the same rise to fascism.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 168d
That’s putting it lightly. Japan never really relaxed in regards to things like blatant racism and nationalism. In the wake of WW2, the Japanese government invested heavily in the arts to try and change their public image. And it largely worked. Overseas, the country is mostly known for anime and zany fashion.
But domestically, the country has always been extremely conservative and resistant to change. At ~99% natural Japanese, their population is one of the most homogenous in the world. And that ~1% of foreigners encompasses the entirety of tourism, foreign workers, etc… Japan has a saying that roughly translates to “the nail that sticks out gets hammered down,” and the culture definitely embodies that. The culture is largely defined by conformity and tradition, meaning even small deviations from societal expectations get heavily scrutinized.
This pressure to conform also means that Japan is extremely racist towards basically anyone who isn’t Japanese. If given the choice when hiring, Japanese companies will choose a Japanese applicant over a foreigner 100% of the time, even if the foreigner is just as qualified. That’s why the OP mentioned starting your own business if you plan on moving there. As a foreigner, you have basically no chance of getting hired by an existing company. As ann immigrant, your only real opportunities for employment will be in a stereotypically “foreign” job, (like teaching English), via international transfer, (like an American working for Toyota, and transferring to a Japanese branch), or via starting your own business.
And that racism has always been present, but it has recently started to percolate into outright jingoism. Their politics have always been a mess, but recent elections have swung things even farther towards fascism. They’re constitutionally prohibited from building an army, (it was one of the concessions they made after WW2, and they’re only allowed to keep a small national self-defense force), but they have politicians murmuring about building an army anyways.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 167d
None of this is inaccurate.
Though I see quite a few Napali immigrants working at 711 and some Chinese workers in more rural communities.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 168d
Fair.
innermachine@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 167d
This sounds like something that somebody who has literally never moved in their life would say. You need money just to move across states nevermind continents, trust me I have lived in 7 different states and 2 different European countries.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 167d
You need a plan for the amount of money you have, which can be quite low. I've lived in several Asian countries.
ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 168d
Why would you go from one dictatorship to another lol
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 168d
If you meant China or Vietnam, a dictatorship of the working class is different from a dictatorship of capital.
If you meant Japan, yeah things aren't looking great, but at least LDP is opposing the even-further-right parties?
If you meant Germany, after 5 years or so of working, you qualify for citizenship and can go elsewhere in the EU, which should be enough time to get out before AfD takes over.
sprack@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 167d
Looks like it will soon be 8yrs and no option for dual citizenship. You also need native speakers help to navigate the bureaucracy. AfD will add more impediments.
ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 167d
Hahahaha China dictatorship of the working class stfu bot
macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 167d
Why is this funny, let alone laugh out loud funny? You don't need to end every sentence with LOL.
ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 167d
Oh i don't need to? Thanks I didn't know lol
smeg@infosec.pub · 57 pts · 168d
🙋♂️ I left in 2025. It's great! Walkable and bikeable cities, affordable groceries, my health insurance actually pays for stuff, there's public transit, the food is safer, and not absolutely every I do funnels into only 12 companies.
I moved my family. When my kid needs higher education, it won't cost more than our home. I can send him out in the streets without worrying he'll be hit by a truck going 80. Active shooter or intruder drills aren't a phenomenon in his school.
I only wish we could have done it sooner.
Strider@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 168d
Where did you move?
smeg@infosec.pub · 31 pts · 168d
Netherlands
Strider@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 168d
Nice! Welkom! Have fun being there, visit us sometime (Germany).
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 168d
I was watching a show called Pernille the other week, takes place in Norway, and I thought her youngest daughter was 14/15. She was 12 and walking all over the place. That freedom is just something the States doesnt have. my Son is 12, if I let him walk to the store (crossing a busy 45mph+ road) the cops could get called on me.
smeg@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 168d
My kid is 11 and gets to bike to school, or walk to music lessons or the store whenever. It's pretty cool
innermachine@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 167d
I used to bike or skateboard everywhere when I was that age, why do people think this isn't possible in the USA? I drive almost everywhere now (why would I pedal when I can twist a throttle? 😉) but still regularly see middle school kids walking or biking around town. Maybe it's just certain areas or people reading too much fear mongering news.
Ruigaard@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 167d
Good to have you!
gh0stb4tz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 168d
The promised land. I’ve lived there before, and I plan on moving back some day. It’s amazing.
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 168d
Nunya
Strider@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 168d
Nunya, Nigeria?
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 168d
Where they started Nunya Business, which is obscenely wealthy. However, there's a fantastic opportunity where they need an enterprising foreigner like yourself to agree to handle a bank transfer processing fee and hold on to all their assets before the government takes it all and. . .
Strider@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 167d
Ah, an African prince, then I would've caught on! 🤪
kurmudgeon@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 168d
I wish I could as well. I'd be out of here in a heartbeat. I'm already single, live alone, work remotely in the tech sector. It would be nothing for me to pick up and leave. It's just not that easy to be able to move to a different country.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 14 pts · 168d
I did exactly that, there's tons of resources for digital nomads. AMA?
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 168d
much easier in your circumstance, than it would be for so many of us.
kurmudgeon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 168d
I remember last time I checked, my score was only like 350 which is far below what you need to be considered for permanent residency in Canada. Canada would be my country of choice in this situation.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 168d
they count your credit score!?
kurmudgeon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 168d
No, they have a system of ranking you where they weigh all kinds of aspects of your life. Do you know French? Do you have relatives in Canada? Have you ever worked for anybody in Canada? Did you go to school in Canada? Etc. Based on these answers you get a score. I only scored a 350. I think the minimum is like 600. The highest is 1200.
Scrollone@feddit.it · 1 pts · 167d
What about Europe? We love US people here. We just don't like their government and the way things are run over there
Zahille7@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 168d
Boat?
jaschen306@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 168d
I left during the first Trump presidency. Best decision given the circumstances.
turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub · 4 pts · 167d
Many people said that they would move to Canada. I wonder how many actually did.
Since you’ve already moved, you should have some interesting stories to share. Care to share?
jaschen306@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 167d
I moved to Taiwan. The safest city I have ever lived in.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 20 pts · 168d
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 11 pts · 168d
I don't even know where I would go at this point if I was picking up stakes.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 168d
It's a little bit easier to make the decision (given the opportunity) when your country wants to genocide you and your friends.
I made the decision November 2024. No regrets, just a lot of tears and sweat
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 168d
If you don't mind sharing: where to?
If you do mind, I definitely understand.
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 168d
If things don't turn around soon, I don't see any other option.
BigTrout75@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 168d
Still no housing
themaninblack@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 168d
Can confirm.
Flashheart@piefed.dk · 3 pts · 168d
Hmm, and where are they leaving to? Who will welcone USA citizens?
Is it maga or non-maga who is leaving?
So many questions....
Innerworld@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 168d
Read the article?
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com · 12 pts · 168d
Crazy talk.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 168d
It's primarily non-maga, with a heavy dose of scientists, engineers, and doctors. There's no reason for maga to leave, this is what they've wanted their whole lives
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 8 pts · 168d
I felt very welcome in China and Vietnam. Japanese people tend to be a little colder, but theres a huge us immigrant community here for a reason.
Flashheart@piefed.dk · 3 pts · 168d
My comment may have sounded negative, and it wasn't intended.
I'm glad for the positive response /tone.
We need more positive news 👍😀
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 168d
If magas are leaving, they're going to Russia to flee "wokeness" and serving a "glorious purpose" as meat cushions trained to waste Ukrainian ammunition.
This is too insane to make up.
turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub · 1 pts · 167d
I guess that should count as welcoming.
LSNLDN@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 168d
Welcome to the world!
aeration1217@lemmy.org · 0 pts · 167d
time for the talk again
Nomad@infosec.pub · -13 pts · 168d
Rats leaving a sinking ship
Stupidmanager@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 168d
More like passengers recognizing there’s another ship that offers more to life as long as you’re ok with lower salary and higher taxes. Life seems to be better and it is.
Nomad@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 168d
Yeah well... You gotta be able to afford to leave...
HowAbt2day@futurology.today · 6 pts · 168d
Username does not completely check out in this case.
Nomad@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 167d
But I'm a little mad. Not no-mad. ;)
turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub · 3 pts · 167d
The word “rat” has such negative connotations. They are actually intelligent, curious and resourceful little critters.
Incidentally, the same thing happened with Russia. When Putin started tightening his grip around the throat of his people, many people decided to go. Among them, were many smart and educated people who could find a job elsewhere.
Nomad@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 167d
Absolutely. So the financially able and smart leave a sinking ship. Rats.
turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub · 1 pts · 167d
We should really come up with better allegory for that. More like owls flying away from a falling tree. Would cause less controversy.
Strider@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 168d
Atlantis west is not sinking...
Ironfist79@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 167d
Nah, the rats are staying. They like it here.