The last used car salesman I interacted with was great, he really went out of his way to secure the deal and gave excellent service. I'd trust him over any politician
Because their job is to sell you someone else's problem. While you can buy a used/previously owned vehicle that doesn't have problems, if it does, they still have to sell it, and as long as it lasts longer than your local "lemon law" (if you have one) says, then it's your problem after that and you have no recourse other than to sell it and still lose a chunk of money. (Most likely, after they sell it, and after the lemon law makes it entirely your problem, they spread the word around that the car is, in fact, a lemon, so other used car dealers won't touch it.)
Cops, soldiers, politicians, CEOs, judges, landlords, debt collectors, repossession agents, and any job solely designed to impose the will of the capitalists upon the world.
People who's roles mean they live off stolen credit of workers. People can add value to a company in lots of ways - Organisers, managers, leads, and grunts.
However, there's a class of people that do nothing. They're often in high level positions, and talk a good talk but do nothing. Their teams have no respect for them and have to do their role for them. They should have been fired long ago, but there's often a cluster of them protecting each other. They gravitate towards roles like project manager, sales, customer relations, but I don't want to say it's everyone in those roles because sometimes you get good ones. It's also not limited to them.
I heard someone call these kinda of people "fence turtles". Nobody knows how they got up there, they don't do anything useful, and they're not likely to come down anytime soon
Anyone who makes more than 10 million a year or more is definitely not a good person and not to be trusted.
The cut off number could probably be lower but I feel confident in saying 10 million. So I'm going with that.
You can't make that much without "stealing" it from many others. Exploitation.
(I'm not talking about a company that makes 10 million, I'm referring to an individual that does. There are some exceptions for celebrities and athletes).
Fuck it, I'll cut it at 1mil. Doesn't matter who, doesn't matter why. Even if you dug up 1mil in gold from your own property by hand, you're a cunt for letting everyone else struggle if you sit on it and don't so something.
Well they don't earn that money from exploiting others but from being exploited.
Especially athletes.
They destroy their bodies and sometimes their minds too.
As for Celebrities like actors and musicians/singers. I think there is a fair bit of exploitation of them too. Especially young women and young men.
If a company wants to pay an actor 5 million to be in a movie, they are paying for the talent, the risk to the actor, and the advertising that comes with that actors name.
That honestly seems fair. I just wish the amount that producers spend on male actors wasn't so egregiously higher than female actors.
At least these people did something real to earn that money. Showed up to sets. Long days in rough conditions. Or went on concert tours. Traveled and lived in hotels and trailers for months.
None of which qualifies as harder work than most jobs or explains how they earn many times the average person's yearly salary for a fraction of the work.
Does a sportsball player destroy their body any more than a tradesman? How does throwing a ball equate to mining coal?
Actors aren't being exploited any more than the average worker. Compared to, say, a local news reporter that is on television 5 days a week.
Well I'm not saying the physical work is different than other labor jobs. Or even the mental.
Just saying it IS actual honest work.
Do I think athletes should be paid 5 million for a season. ?
No. But someone thinks they do.
The reason I don't like billionaires is because of exploitation.
They are bad people causing harm.
I don't think that's true about athletes and celebrities.
I don't like such extreme income inequality either. But I'm not going to lump athletes and celebrities in with unethical exploitive sociopaths just because they are paid high amounts.
Exploitation of others is the factor here. Not anything else.
Data brokers, easily. Also, bill collectors are one of the stereotypical scummy occupations alongside door-to-door sales and buy-here-pay-here car lots.
What's wrong with door to door sales? Should people with enough money to pay a landlord for a storefront be the only ones allowed to sell stuff, or just dropshippers on Amazon, or just big box stores like wallmart? Also, do door to door salemen even exist anymore? I think I've only seen them in movies from the 50's
Well, high-pressure, scummy sales tactics and preying on the disadvantaged (people getting duped into buying a $1k+ or $2k+ overpriced appliance they can't really afford, ala Kirby or Rainbow, is a thing that happens) are the main problems with door-to-door sales.
Aside from cops and military worker solidarity with any working assholes over inherited wealth nepo babies and trust funders who use capital to oppress people who weren't born under similar privilege.
Like the people who run EA, Xbox, PlayStation, etc. All inclusive, I don't think there are any good ones. They're all working to drive prices up, wages down, and creativity? These people don't give two shits about the games. They are not gamers. They see gamers as useful to keep their profits high and that's it.
Support indie game developers whenever you can. Stardew Valley is a game I've tried very hard to like, not because I bought it twice, but because one guy made it and has supported it faithfully for ten years, and he genuinely cares about the experience. It's just not the kind of game I like. I should — I play Animal Crossing. But Stardew Valley is based on Harvest Moon (another Nintendo game), but way more advanced. I think Animal Crossing was also inspired by Harvest Moon, but it's the dumbed down version for kids. (It's also post-apocalyptic, if you read between the lines! So that's awesome.) But nah, I don't like the game, but I love the developer's passion for it, and I plan to buy his next game straight away. I think I will like it ("Haunted Chocolatier") a little more, since it's less farming and more questing, but instead of farming, it's shop keeping.
I can't imagine applying to work for HR personally. I've never liked an HR person. I'm not even someone that gets called up by HR I just see how they work and hate it.
was looking through the list because common ones like lawyer and politician have bad folks but many good folks actually trying to improve things. Seems like its hard to be a success long term wtihout being one. This though. Man I would likely put at the top. If someone is successful in this field they are aweful.
I used to be an insurance adjuster for a car insurance company. Worst job in the world.
I would meet the insured and they are going through a terrible time. Then I would meet with the auto shop and they want to make as much money as possible. Then I would need to negotiate to get a reasonable number. Then I find out instead of repairing the dents and dings they just put Bondo on the whole thing. So the insured gets a piece of crap vehicle back and the auto shop and insurance company makes an incredible amount of money.
Norway:
Real estate agents (and the people they hire to asess properties)
Real estate developers
Local municipality politicians (usually "corrupt" with said developers)
Construction companies. Need fucking constant watching to make sure they deliver on specc according to contract.
60 Comments
_deleted_@aussie.zone · 47 pts · 141d
luthis@lemmy.nz · 19 pts · 141d
The last used car salesman I interacted with was great, he really went out of his way to secure the deal and gave excellent service. I'd trust him over any politician
Ravell@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 141d
Please stay away from anyone who ever tries to sell you a timeshare 🤑
TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 141d
Why not new car salespeople?
_deleted_@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 139d
I’ve never interacted with one. Who can afford to buy a new car?
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 141d
Because their job is to sell you someone else's problem. While you can buy a used/previously owned vehicle that doesn't have problems, if it does, they still have to sell it, and as long as it lasts longer than your local "lemon law" (if you have one) says, then it's your problem after that and you have no recourse other than to sell it and still lose a chunk of money. (Most likely, after they sell it, and after the lemon law makes it entirely your problem, they spread the word around that the car is, in fact, a lemon, so other used car dealers won't touch it.)
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org · 42 pts · 141d
Cops, soldiers, politicians, CEOs, judges, landlords, debt collectors, repossession agents, and any job solely designed to impose the will of the capitalists upon the world.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 38 pts · 141d
Working for ICE or Working in Trumps management team.
prex@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 141d
A lot of other answers are right but this is next level.
wewbull@feddit.uk · 27 pts · 141d
People who's roles mean they live off stolen credit of workers. People can add value to a company in lots of ways - Organisers, managers, leads, and grunts.
However, there's a class of people that do nothing. They're often in high level positions, and talk a good talk but do nothing. Their teams have no respect for them and have to do their role for them. They should have been fired long ago, but there's often a cluster of them protecting each other. They gravitate towards roles like project manager, sales, customer relations, but I don't want to say it's everyone in those roles because sometimes you get good ones. It's also not limited to them.
technomage@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 141d
I heard someone call these kinda of people "fence turtles". Nobody knows how they got up there, they don't do anything useful, and they're not likely to come down anytime soon
wewbull@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 141d
I like it.
jellyfishhunter@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 141d
I feel like those are the same people blocking every beneficial change for the company to maintain the status quo (and perhaps their position).
onlooker@lemmy.ml · 26 pts · 141d
Marketing/occupations in advertising.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 141d
Landlords and capitalists, as well as those that exist to maintain them.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 141d
Advertising
Just about anything requiring and MBA
Boneses@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 141d
Landlords and marketing people.
Ravell@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 141d
I honestly think landlords and the concept of landlords is one of the most destructive aspects of civilization.
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 141d
Health insurance executives and administrators
Hospital executives and administrators
Most tech executives
Private equity firm executives and administrators
Student loan collection agency executives and administrators
daannii@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 141d
Anyone who makes more than 10 million a year or more is definitely not a good person and not to be trusted.
The cut off number could probably be lower but I feel confident in saying 10 million. So I'm going with that.
You can't make that much without "stealing" it from many others. Exploitation.
(I'm not talking about a company that makes 10 million, I'm referring to an individual that does. There are some exceptions for celebrities and athletes).
Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 141d
Fuck it, I'll cut it at 1mil. Doesn't matter who, doesn't matter why. Even if you dug up 1mil in gold from your own property by hand, you're a cunt for letting everyone else struggle if you sit on it and don't so something.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 3 pts · 141d
yeah I mean maybe. maybe a particular specialist surgeon or such can pass the mil and be decent but I kinda doubt it.
daannii@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 141d
If so, it would be like just at 1m, and not even close to 2m.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 3 pts · 141d
yeah just crest and because its income and not stocks or whatever they actually pay the highest rate on most of it.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 141d
No.
Why? Why do they deserve such huge salaries? Is the work they do of that much more value than, say, a beekeeper barely scrapimg by?
daannii@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 141d
Well they don't earn that money from exploiting others but from being exploited.
Especially athletes. They destroy their bodies and sometimes their minds too.
As for Celebrities like actors and musicians/singers. I think there is a fair bit of exploitation of them too. Especially young women and young men.
If a company wants to pay an actor 5 million to be in a movie, they are paying for the talent, the risk to the actor, and the advertising that comes with that actors name.
That honestly seems fair. I just wish the amount that producers spend on male actors wasn't so egregiously higher than female actors.
At least these people did something real to earn that money. Showed up to sets. Long days in rough conditions. Or went on concert tours. Traveled and lived in hotels and trailers for months.
They didn't make it from stealing from others.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 141d
None of which qualifies as harder work than most jobs or explains how they earn many times the average person's yearly salary for a fraction of the work.
Does a sportsball player destroy their body any more than a tradesman? How does throwing a ball equate to mining coal?
Actors aren't being exploited any more than the average worker. Compared to, say, a local news reporter that is on television 5 days a week.
daannii@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 140d
Well I'm not saying the physical work is different than other labor jobs. Or even the mental.
Just saying it IS actual honest work.
Do I think athletes should be paid 5 million for a season. ?
No. But someone thinks they do.
The reason I don't like billionaires is because of exploitation.
They are bad people causing harm.
I don't think that's true about athletes and celebrities.
I don't like such extreme income inequality either. But I'm not going to lump athletes and celebrities in with unethical exploitive sociopaths just because they are paid high amounts.
Exploitation of others is the factor here. Not anything else.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 140d
Ok, I see where you're coming from and can appreciate that. My issue is with the pay inequality and I don't really blame them for that.
DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf · 14 pts · 141d
Data brokers, easily. Also, bill collectors are one of the stereotypical scummy occupations alongside door-to-door sales and buy-here-pay-here car lots.
Ravell@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 141d
What's wrong with door to door sales? Should people with enough money to pay a landlord for a storefront be the only ones allowed to sell stuff, or just dropshippers on Amazon, or just big box stores like wallmart? Also, do door to door salemen even exist anymore? I think I've only seen them in movies from the 50's
DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 135d
Well, high-pressure, scummy sales tactics and preying on the disadvantaged (people getting duped into buying a $1k+ or $2k+ overpriced appliance they can't really afford, ala Kirby or Rainbow, is a thing that happens) are the main problems with door-to-door sales.
ZiggyTheZygote@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 141d
Israeli occupation.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 141d
The Zionist one.
Also military in most countries.
watson387@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 141d
Any job in marketing.
Cops.
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 12 pts · 141d
Project managers. Not racist I just dont like them. Never met one that wasnt a useless overpaid Muppet.
skvlp@lemmy.wtf · 11 pts · 141d
Tech bros
sangeteria@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 141d
Haunted house actors. They're always trying to scare you, how're u gonna trust that 💀
TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 141d
That's a good one lol
spittingimage@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 141d
Those people who look through insurance forms to find technicalities the company can use to refuse payment.
teagrrl@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 141d
Payday Loan Storefront Operator and "Labor Consultant" aka Union Buster.
mathemachristian@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 141d
We should just boil landlords tbh
TiredTiger@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 141d
Anyone in upper management or in an executive role, cops, and HR personnel.
Fleur_@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 141d
Politicians, lawyers, hr
Raffster@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 140d
Anything advertising.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 141d
Aside from cops and military worker solidarity with any working assholes over inherited wealth nepo babies and trust funders who use capital to oppress people who weren't born under similar privilege.
PragmaticOne@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 141d
Along with all the others that have been mentioned here my personal hate is financiers and bankers and most people that work in finance.
Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 141d
Management
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 141d
Game publisher executive.
Like the people who run EA, Xbox, PlayStation, etc. All inclusive, I don't think there are any good ones. They're all working to drive prices up, wages down, and creativity? These people don't give two shits about the games. They are not gamers. They see gamers as useful to keep their profits high and that's it.
Support indie game developers whenever you can. Stardew Valley is a game I've tried very hard to like, not because I bought it twice, but because one guy made it and has supported it faithfully for ten years, and he genuinely cares about the experience. It's just not the kind of game I like. I should — I play Animal Crossing. But Stardew Valley is based on Harvest Moon (another Nintendo game), but way more advanced. I think Animal Crossing was also inspired by Harvest Moon, but it's the dumbed down version for kids. (It's also post-apocalyptic, if you read between the lines! So that's awesome.) But nah, I don't like the game, but I love the developer's passion for it, and I plan to buy his next game straight away. I think I will like it ("Haunted Chocolatier") a little more, since it's less farming and more questing, but instead of farming, it's shop keeping.
chunes@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 140d
In the US, health insurer. Then you go down several orders of magnitude and you'll find ones like politician, landlord, arms dealer, etc.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 141d
UnimportantHuman@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 140d
I can't imagine applying to work for HR personally. I've never liked an HR person. I'm not even someone that gets called up by HR I just see how they work and hate it.
ChocolateFrostedSugarBombs@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 141d
Marketers
icerunner_origin@startrek.website · 3 pts · 141d
Insurance loss adjusters
HubertManne@piefed.social · 2 pts · 141d
was looking through the list because common ones like lawyer and politician have bad folks but many good folks actually trying to improve things. Seems like its hard to be a success long term wtihout being one. This though. Man I would likely put at the top. If someone is successful in this field they are aweful.
barkybeak@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 141d
I used to be an insurance adjuster for a car insurance company. Worst job in the world. I would meet the insured and they are going through a terrible time. Then I would meet with the auto shop and they want to make as much money as possible. Then I would need to negotiate to get a reasonable number. Then I find out instead of repairing the dents and dings they just put Bondo on the whole thing. So the insured gets a piece of crap vehicle back and the auto shop and insurance company makes an incredible amount of money.
I quit after three weeks.
Jaegeras@piefed.social · 2 pts · 141d
UnimportantHuman@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 141d
The down vote you got kills me
Jaegeras@piefed.social · 2 pts · 141d
Frostbeard@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 139d
Norway: Real estate agents (and the people they hire to asess properties) Real estate developers Local municipality politicians (usually "corrupt" with said developers) Construction companies. Need fucking constant watching to make sure they deliver on specc according to contract.
jefferyjefferson@lemmy.org · 2 pts · 139d
Advertising, anything involving oil.
stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 141d
Lawyers
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 141d
Chuggers