i have a friend who was doing a twitch fundraiser, right? it was a fundraiser for a good cause. i DO fundraisers for a living. So i pop on, say hi, she doesn't recognize me, i drop in 50 bucks because fundraiser and i could afford to tighten the belt that month. like, this is a normal donation in the charity world. She Did Not Tell Me that she was eating a slice of lemon for every dollar that was donated. Oh My Gods i have never felt so guilty for doing a fundraiser i tried to stop her. I had no idea this was a huge donation for twitch.
honestly, i still feel kinda guilty and it's been years.
This was years ago and i have spent like a total of five hours watching twitch(they were all that stream to see if anyone else would make my mistake. She explained the rules better when people logged in)
They're the only actual parasites in that list, the rest just provide a service people pay for. Which is closer to the parasitus class described in the OP.
Scalpers aren’t really living off the hospitality of others, they’re taking advantage of illiquidity to create arbitrage and fuck over regular people consumers.
We shouldn't act like the consumer isn't a part of the problem. The scalper can scalp because the consumer will consume.
I'm not victim blaming, the scalpers need someone to sell to in order for there to be a profit. Yes Ticketmaster are scumbags, that doesn't change the fact that there were plenty of consumers ready and ravenous for a chance to see their favorite artist live (artists making money from the scalpers buying from Ticketmaster, whether for themselves or their label).
Should consumer protections be put in place? Probably, but I think that's more or less kicking the can down the road. People need to vote with their wallets, giving money to scalpers is effectively allowing Ticketmaster's scheme to work. Yes, it is predatory. Yes, it is scummy. No, the consumer is not faultless — they are essential for the scheme to work.
Because tickets are a limited commodity. A show's sold out, but scalpers and shitheads like Ticketmaster with their variable pricing being the only choice by the time anyone without bots is shopping? Guess what price everyone else is paying...
Because people aren't a hive mind. Voting with the wallet doesn't really work on limited luxury goods due to population scale.
Something like concert tickets or any luxury good is in such a low supply that there will always be enough people with more money or credit than sense.
So there pretty much isn't a choice of not buying and prices eventually getting lower.
The prices of luxury goods will always be as high as possible and thanks to population scale and ad campaigns, that's going to be rather high.
Though don't get me wrong, im not advocating in defense of buying expensive useless shit. I've quit quite a few things and at least one addiction because the price rose above some predetermined limit.
Just that the voting part doesn't really work anymore.
Roman society is pretty much the basis for the western world. The Romans are largely the reason for the rampant patriarchy we have today among other things, for instance.
Patriarchy has unfortunately been the majority across the world, it’s nothing to do with the Roman’s and everything to do with physical strength to dominate others.
The Romans very specifically invaded what we today call Britain because the people who lived there were matriarchal. I am Cherokee, my tribe was also matriarchal before white people showed up. In my tribe, traditionally, when you get married your possessions belong to your wife and you join the clan of your wife.
Patriarchy has never been as widespread as patriarchs would like you to believe.
Both are true - Roman society is patriarchal in a particular way, e.g women were known by their fathers name (e.g Agrippina Claudius is daughter of Claudius) and considered almost like property of their father, until they were married off to a husband, and were henceforth known by their husbands name.
Sound familiar? That's basically what Atomicbocks is referencing
There's still examples of people being paid to live in peoples' homes as sex servants and whatnot, let's not act like this kind of thing just evolves out of existance. I think I even remember a reddit post of someone talking about how a married couple paid for their tuition in exchange for being a plaything for them while at college.
There are stories in British tabloids every few months about how young women in university are paying for their education by being available at the whim of wealthy sugar daddies.
If I had been able to do that as a man, I would have 100% been on board with it. I don't see any issue with the situation as long as both parties agree to it.
Although I guess I technically did it since the job that was fucking me had tuition reimbursement.
Personally I think the sexual exploitation of the youth to pay for the job training to become wage slaves isn't something a society should be proud of.
You can also view it as independence and agency. Why shouldn't I capitalise on my resources?
Broadly speaking that's only an issue if the former is much more powerful than the latter and I don't think that"s the case in the UK. There are plenty of other ways of funding education that are very much accessible but selling booty is easier and more fun than flipping burgers why not?
The real pain point here is society's judgement towards sex work.
Gonna be real bro, I think you should take that blood lubed orphan crushing machine you're defending and shove it where the sun don't shine, then sell the video because it's just society's attitude about exploiting the hope for a future keeping you down, maaaaan.
Or maybe you can just admit that there's a difference between taking up sex work because you like it, or at least don't mind it, and selling yourself to gross old perverts for tuition?
There's always going to be a power disparity built into people dangling your future on a string in front of you, it comes as a package deal with the capitalist cannibalism of its own youths.
my body looks weird. lots of scar tissue. i was a regular model at the art school and they loved me because i'm so fucking lumpy. my mother would be so ashamed to learn i had to take my clothes off for money to get through school, because i also had a full time and part time job and loans and that still wasn't enough to survive. she's a prude though, this was art. that one is a secret between my wife and i (who funny enough did it at one of those mormon schools, so she got to wear a swimsuit)
YouTuber since 2006, here: I have not received a single cent. They demonetized me (along with millions others when they changed their rules) shortly before I hit the $100 payout threshold and then kept the money.
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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 62 pts · 153d
i have a friend who was doing a twitch fundraiser, right? it was a fundraiser for a good cause. i DO fundraisers for a living. So i pop on, say hi, she doesn't recognize me, i drop in 50 bucks because fundraiser and i could afford to tighten the belt that month. like, this is a normal donation in the charity world. She Did Not Tell Me that she was eating a slice of lemon for every dollar that was donated. Oh My Gods i have never felt so guilty for doing a fundraiser i tried to stop her. I had no idea this was a huge donation for twitch.
honestly, i still feel kinda guilty and it's been years.
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 153d
Paying your friend to eat 50 lemon slices in a row is a fantastic story at least. That's hilarious.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 153d
accidentally paying your friend to eat 50 lemon slices in a row.
five whole lemons.
i really wish she'd told me. the lemons on my lemon tree are sweet, not sour. why did she use her own lemons
DeltaWingDragon@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 153d
If she used sweet lemons, the whores would steal them
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 153d
i have had exactly zero whores try to steal my lemons...
i am dressed pretty slutty.
am... am i the whore?
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 15 pts · 153d
Yes however we all enjoy your lemons 😉
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 153d
here eat 50 slices
Test_Tickles@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 152d
No wait, you're doing it backwards. Whores are the financially responsible ones, they accept money, not give it.
MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 153d
So what was the plan if there was a $1,000 donation?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 153d
Honestly? I think they spent the money in their heads (she was also in the group she was fundraising for) before they ate the lemons in their heads
Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 153d
Clip it?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 153d
This was years ago and i have spent like a total of five hours watching twitch(they were all that stream to see if anyone else would make my mistake. She explained the rules better when people logged in)
Eternal192@anarchist.nexus · 55 pts · 153d
Twitch streamers, YouTubers, only fans, unrelated but scalpers probably belong here as well.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 52 pts · 153d
Scalpers aren’t really living off the hospitality of others, they’re taking advantage of illiquidity to create arbitrage and fuck over regular people.
Eternal192@anarchist.nexus · 0 pts · 153d
Doesn't matter how they are taking advantage, they are still parasites.
LwL@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 152d
They're the only actual parasites in that list, the rest just provide a service people pay for. Which is closer to the parasitus class described in the OP.
Jax@sh.itjust.works · -10 pts · 153d
We shouldn't act like the consumer isn't a part of the problem. The scalper can scalp because the consumer will consume.
LurkingLuddite@piefed.social · 8 pts · 153d
So Ticketmaster did nothing wrong? Yea... no. Don't victim blame. That's also scum behavior.
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 153d
I'm not victim blaming, the scalpers need someone to sell to in order for there to be a profit. Yes Ticketmaster are scumbags, that doesn't change the fact that there were plenty of consumers ready and ravenous for a chance to see their favorite artist live (artists making money from the scalpers buying from Ticketmaster, whether for themselves or their label).
Should consumer protections be put in place? Probably, but I think that's more or less kicking the can down the road. People need to vote with their wallets, giving money to scalpers is effectively allowing Ticketmaster's scheme to work. Yes, it is predatory. Yes, it is scummy. No, the consumer is not faultless — they are essential for the scheme to work.
LurkingLuddite@piefed.social · 1 pts · 153d
Nobody votes with their wallets when capitalism is the only choice. It's exploitation or nothing.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 152d
Really? How come I'm not going to expensive concerts?
Gathorall@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 152d
It is funny show anti-scalping advocacy is focused solely on luxury items.
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 153d
Yeah you'll have to help me understand why people didn't have a choice to simply not buy from scalpers. Were they holding guns to their heads?
LurkingLuddite@piefed.social · 1 pts · 152d
Because tickets are a limited commodity. A show's sold out, but scalpers and shitheads like Ticketmaster with their variable pricing being the only choice by the time anyone without bots is shopping? Guess what price everyone else is paying...
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 153d
Because people aren't a hive mind. Voting with the wallet doesn't really work on limited luxury goods due to population scale.
Something like concert tickets or any luxury good is in such a low supply that there will always be enough people with more money or credit than sense.
So there pretty much isn't a choice of not buying and prices eventually getting lower. The prices of luxury goods will always be as high as possible and thanks to population scale and ad campaigns, that's going to be rather high.
Though don't get me wrong, im not advocating in defense of buying expensive useless shit. I've quit quite a few things and at least one addiction because the price rose above some predetermined limit. Just that the voting part doesn't really work anymore.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 153d
Roman society is immensely grim sounding
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 39 pts · 153d
Roman society is pretty much the basis for the western world. The Romans are largely the reason for the rampant patriarchy we have today among other things, for instance.
sangeteria@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 153d
At least their patriarchy came with gay sex ☹️
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 21 pts · 153d
Hey, the Greeks deserve some mentioning as well.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 10 pts · 153d
Until the Christians ruined it :(
Tinidril@midwest.social · 2 pts · 152d
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 153d
I totally agree - didn't they invent the word?
But yeah, reading about the patriarchal structure in Roman society was like...
Because there's a clear cut path from what they set up back then to where we are today. Thanks, Romans.
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 153d
https://www.tastesofhistory.co.uk/post/dispelling-some-myths-romans-railways-and-nasa-rockets
But not this one thing, which I see a lot.
JayGray91@piefed.social · 2 pts · 152d
That's a fun read, thanks!
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 152d
OutForARip@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 153d
Patriarchy has unfortunately been the majority across the world, it’s nothing to do with the Roman’s and everything to do with physical strength to dominate others.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 153d
The Romans very specifically invaded what we today call Britain because the people who lived there were matriarchal. I am Cherokee, my tribe was also matriarchal before white people showed up. In my tribe, traditionally, when you get married your possessions belong to your wife and you join the clan of your wife.
Patriarchy has never been as widespread as patriarchs would like you to believe.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 153d
Both are true - Roman society is patriarchal in a particular way, e.g women were known by their fathers name (e.g Agrippina Claudius is daughter of Claudius) and considered almost like property of their father, until they were married off to a husband, and were henceforth known by their husbands name.
Sound familiar? That's basically what Atomicbocks is referencing
JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org · 15 pts · 153d
There's still examples of people being paid to live in peoples' homes as sex servants and whatnot, let's not act like this kind of thing just evolves out of existance. I think I even remember a reddit post of someone talking about how a married couple paid for their tuition in exchange for being a plaything for them while at college.
cRazi_man@europe.pub · 13 pts · 153d
There are stories in British tabloids every few months about how young women in university are paying for their education by being available at the whim of wealthy sugar daddies.
village604@adultswim.fan · 3 pts · 153d
If I had been able to do that as a man, I would have 100% been on board with it. I don't see any issue with the situation as long as both parties agree to it.
Although I guess I technically did it since the job that was fucking me had tuition reimbursement.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 10 pts · 153d
Personally I think the sexual exploitation of the youth to pay for the job training to become wage slaves isn't something a society should be proud of.
drmoose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 153d
You can also view it as independence and agency. Why shouldn't I capitalise on my resources?
Broadly speaking that's only an issue if the former is much more powerful than the latter and I don't think that"s the case in the UK. There are plenty of other ways of funding education that are very much accessible but selling booty is easier and more fun than flipping burgers why not?
The real pain point here is society's judgement towards sex work.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 2 pts · 152d
Gonna be real bro, I think you should take that blood lubed orphan crushing machine you're defending and shove it where the sun don't shine, then sell the video because it's just society's attitude about exploiting the hope for a future keeping you down, maaaaan.
Or maybe you can just admit that there's a difference between taking up sex work because you like it, or at least don't mind it, and selling yourself to gross old perverts for tuition?
There's always going to be a power disparity built into people dangling your future on a string in front of you, it comes as a package deal with the capitalist cannibalism of its own youths.
drmoose@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 152d
Genuinely confused what you're even talking about but it's my bad - didn't see I'm communicating with bible belt social. Have a good day tho
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 1 pts · 152d
Lmao yeah bro we're all about Puritanism on this instance.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 153d
my body looks weird. lots of scar tissue. i was a regular model at the art school and they loved me because i'm so fucking lumpy. my mother would be so ashamed to learn i had to take my clothes off for money to get through school, because i also had a full time and part time job and loans and that still wasn't enough to survive. she's a prude though, this was art. that one is a secret between my wife and i (who funny enough did it at one of those mormon schools, so she got to wear a swimsuit)
zephiriz@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 153d
Thought it was kick streamers.
ByteJunk@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 153d
You guys are getting paid??
Psythik@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 153d
YouTuber since 2006, here: I have not received a single cent. They demonetized me (along with millions others when they changed their rules) shortly before I hit the $100 payout threshold and then kept the money.
Etterra@discuss.online · 1 pts · 153d
You need to be able to put your ankles behind your head.
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 153d
It's literally influencers and celebrities.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 152d
arent those called neets now
N0t_5ure@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 153d
Kato Kaelin comes to mind....
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 152d
They were called slaves back in the day. Guess thats a tamer term than parasite