Social media giant Reddit has been ordered to appear before a grand jury in Washington, D.C., as part of a federal effort to unmask anonymous online critics of the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown.
According to a subpoena obtained by The Intercept, Reddit has until April 14 to provide a wide range of personal data on one of its users, whom U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents have been trying unsuccessfully to identify for more than a month.
Attorneys for the Reddit user say their client’s posts and their anonymity are squarely protected under the First Amendment and that ICE’s use of a grand jury marks a disturbing escalation for the agency after seeing its previous efforts to investigate political speech quashed in court. The subpoena was issued by federal prosecutors in the capital after ICE’s effort to identify the same user failed in a Northern California federal court. (The U.S. attorney’s office in Washington declined to comment on the case.)
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Naich@piefed.world · 124 pts · 133d
If there is one thing these freedom enthusiasts hate, it's people exercising their freedom.
Carrolade@lemmy.world · 93 pts · 132d
Credit where credit is due, to reddit for making them go to court over it.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 132d
Right? I figured they just gave them direct access before they asked.
dance_ninja@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 132d
If it ever got out that they did that, it would kill their user base, which is not in their shareholders' interest.
Frozengyro@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 132d
No, I don't think even that would cause the remaining folks to leave.
Yondoza@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 132d
Yeah, the clankers would have to learn all new inside jokes to try and fit in elsewhere. Might as well stay and chat with all of the other bots just like them!
evenglow@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 132d
Yeah. This is not about one person.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 21 pts · 132d
Yeah, I figured they'd toss him to the wolves without a second thought.
My question is how is this guy still on Reddit if his posts are bad enough for MAGA to go to war over it? They permaban people for sneezing, how did this guy get away with it for so long? I got permabanned for stating a fact.
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 132d
Yea that's something that I find intriguing somewhat.
Still nowadays you find criticism of Trump and ICE on Reddit.
It's very random.
lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 132d
They want to make an example I'm guessing
Neon_Carnivore@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 132d
Reddit has to at least look like it's fighting this. It keeps other dissenters on the platform for future indictments.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 132d
This is a token resistance they gave us up long ago.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 132d
conspiracy hat on
Or to make users comfortable using, organizing and sharing government-unfriendly stuff in Reddit.
Like how Apple goes to court 1 time to defend a case, but it gives data to feds in 100s of cases without resistance. And everyone thinks Apple is "privacy friendly".
It could be trying to manipulate public perception. They didn't build a global surveillance system for catching a few undesirables which tanks the platforms reputation forever.
They want to continue doing it while giving credence to platform independence.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 130d
dan1101@lemmy.world · 80 pts · 133d
I don't remember the federal government ever working against so many citizens before. They are a hostile takeover.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 132d
Yeah it's so bad they have me hoping for a military coup, never in my life would i have ever dreamed of wanting a military coup but now after trump was elected i understand why they're necessary sometimes.
moakley@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 132d
Military coups usually don't install a democracy.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 132d
Bro the democratically elected president rapes children and starts wars for insider trading. Lile wtf are you talking about democracy??
"Firefighters usually dont install furniture" that's what you sound like
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 132d
They are just more overt. The government has long been the enemy of most good things.
notwhoyouthink@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 132d
It’s state sponsored terrorism, period.
They are showing us what they can and will do if the rest of us don’t stop posting and get in line.
MyDogLovesMe@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 133d
Wonder what was said…
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 133d
Something accurate and damning
tacoplease@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 132d
The least bit of accuracy would still be a bullseye with Thwump.
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 132d
Pretty tame honestly.
MyDogLovesMe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 132d
Maybe they are just ‘testing the wire’ legally speaking. Ie just how solid are these laws? Re-approach, reframe. New case, try try again?
Part of a longer game, maybe?
IF they are even that organized
zd9@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 132d
https://www.reddit.com/r/behindthebastards/comments/1s8c5v2/remember_earlier_this_month_when_dhs_subpoenaed/
WesternInfidels@feddit.online · 46 pts · 132d
Gosh maybe ICE and the DOJ should read some executive orders, eh?
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 132d
The sad part is that the court would probably throw that out saying it's not legally binding
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 132d
The law doesn't matter anymore
partofthevoice@lemmy.zip · 41 pts · 132d
That implies posts that:
We should look for accounts that have a history like this:
Alternatively, it could also be something like this (though perhaps less likely):
… or even aggregate statistics like this:
…
I can’t imagine that they’re targeting this user for a reason too far off from why they targeted IceBlock, too.
Ideally, we can create a list of most probable users to have been targeted. Then we can warn them.
The Reddit user probably:
That would corroborate with this passage:
That level of effort implies:
Edit: found someone who shared the full article here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1shj6zn/a_redditor_criticized_ice_trump_is_trying_to/
treadful@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 132d
You write like an Axios reporter.
nonentity@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 132d
Authoritarianism is an admission of abject weakness.
White supremacists are the weakest and most brittle snowflakes.
GaMEChld@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 132d
This is exactly what Grand Juries are for and why the bar for indictment is so low.
It's a safeguard to prevent frivolous felony persecution by the State upon individuals.
It is to the Jurors to take one look at the evidence the prosecution presents and to say, nope, this is a BS case.
That's why it's so easy to get indictments. Generally, prosecutors only show up with actual evidence of potential wrong doing.
If they show up with nothing, in typical Trump legal team fashion, they will get no indictment.
They seem to think because THEY suck at law, everyone else does too. All competent lawyers left that administration. Believe it or not, plenty of lawyers actually have respect for the institutions they spent their lives training in and working in.
j5y7@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 132d
They don't have to win. They don't even have to follow through on their threat. They've already done what they meant to do and that's just to intimidate everyone else. There will be plenty of folks who see this and maybe speak out a little less or stop speaking out entirely. Do you think this case is going to get the same exposure after it's been dropped? They'll already be onto the next intimidation tactic.
GaMEChld@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 129d
Guess we'll just die I guess. Shall I start making nooses for us?
j5y7@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 128d
What chain of logic brought you to that conclusion from what I've said? Step by step please.
GaMEChld@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 128d
What kind of reaction were you expecting to elicit with your comment?
My logic was, oh this guy is making excuses to not do anything because he's gone full nihilistic about the matter.
pycorax@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 132d
So what happens if they're not based on the US?
MolochHorridus@piefed.social · 22 pts · 132d
That would be me. Got booted from Reddit for encouraging someone, anybody really, to kill Netanyahu and Trump.
Of course I criticised their actions also.
I’d settle for five minutes alone with Trump.
TransNeko@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 132d
at least you got banned for something decent.
I got banned for talking about how pedophiles should be put down... and got banned for... get this: threatening to murder reddit admins. way to admit what you reddit admins are. 🤣
SpikesOtherDog@ani.social · 4 pts · 132d
There is a theory that Ghislaine Maxwell is/was a Reddit mod.
TransNeko@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 129d
would not surprised me considering how many pedophiles and rapists that get arrested turn out to be reddit mods and admins.
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 132d
Me too. Shared my desire to wear a rapist's penis and testicles as a necklace.
Then the hammer dropped and I was out.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 132d
Their loss, our gain.
HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 132d
Thanks Chunk. :)
Now I gotta go watch the Goonies.
4lan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 132d
hand Netanyahu over to the Palestinians. They wont make it quick
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 132d
I thought they shadow banned everyone with opinions they don’t like. Happened to me after the Luigi situation
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 132d
How many of us wonder if we might be the user?
I was critical of ICE on Reddit more than once. Likely, hundreds of thousands have been. I wonder what this mystery user said to bring this sort of scrutiny. Probably something true.
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 132d
Plot twist: it was an AI bot, and they create the precedent to persecute computers
MyDogLovesMe@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 132d
Probably a Canadian, or Brit, lol.
chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 132d
Personally I dropped reddit when the api broke all apps except their own ad filled one. I do occasionally use it for niche stuff, but none of my browsers have my login tokens so it's always just not logged in access. I haven't made a single comment or upvote since I left, so all my critical comments would have been before his second term.
zd9@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 132d
This happened on /r/behindthebastards! For anyone unaware, it's a fantastic podcast on Cool Zone Media that covers infamous evil people throughout history. Also check out the inverse, Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, on the same podcast network. Also check out It Could Happen Here.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 132d
I knew it would be someone on there. One of the few subreddits I still lurk on.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 12 pts · 132d
I have a hard time believing its just one even given how crappy reddit has become.
4lan@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 132d
this is just the one we are hearing about. the public facing case meant to shut us all up
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 132d
This is also the one they want to use to open the floodgates. If they are allowed even a toe step forward in this, it will be all out war on the first amendment.
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 132d
Reddit is a honeypot
paul@lemmy.org · 1 pts · 131d
100000%
Taleya@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 131d
Suprised the little snots didn't roll over and give them up straight away
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 132d
What did this person say that pissed the ICEflakes off so, and why aren't we all saying it?
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 132d
I made a number of comments regarding my sentiments towards the orange child rapist and felon on Reddit a year or so ago. All my accounts of many years roasted instantly.
Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 132d
The fact that these clowns take it to the courts instead of just sicking AI on the job of unmasking the user is really telling about thier intelligence.
moakley@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 132d
Which AI? I asked Google AI about a webcomic, and it offered to find the artist for me. I said sure.
First it made something up completely out of thin air. Then it picked a random user who had commented on the comic. It had already identified the OC post of the comic, so all it had to do was check the username, and it couldn't even do that.
Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 131d
I would like to think the government has access to AI that has less guardrails and is tuned for this sort of thing by some intel organization. https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/889395/ai-agents-unmask-anonymous-online-accounts
moakley@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 131d
I would like to think that they don't have that.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 130d
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 132d